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  • Acceptable Targets: Politicians are repeatedly mocked.
    Radio Announcer: A new report out today shows that, when it comes to decision-making, people have more trust in a monkey throwing darts than Congress.
  • Accidental Aesop:
    • Don't let faith in rescuers supersede self preservation initiatives.
    • Also, if you want to make the world a better place, make sure you strive to be a good person and have actual principles, not just a desire to remove something you hate. Elastigirl understood that, while the true Screenslaver didn't. Also, Winston proved his commitment to making the world a better place was sincere, because he jumped back onto a ship that was about to crash so he could save the supers' and ambassadors' lives.
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    • For parents of young children, if you're stressed out and sleep-deprived from caring for a newborn, it's okay to reach out for help and get some rest. You can handle parenting better when you're not mentally and physically exhausted.
  • Alternate Aesop Interpretation: The speech made by Screenslaver about people preferring to enjoy seeing things done instead of doing things themselves. Is it a Take That! against conformism or, given that it's the villain saying it, is it a Take That! against the cynical people who take this criticism too far? Or was it even intended to mean anything at all? Since the Screenslaver is just a persona created by Evelyn, it's possible she simply wrote the speech as something to give him a dramatic purpose and nothing more.
  • Alternative Character Interpretation: Jack-Jack; is he unaware of just how powerful he is given that he's a baby, or is he fully aware and intentionally messing with his father and siblings?
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  • Animation Age Ghetto: When questioned about the mature elements in this movie, director Brad Bird flat out said that it's not a "kids movie".
    With all due respect, it is NOT a 'kids movie'. It's animated, and rated PG.
  • Anti-Climax Boss: Some fans have lamented that the confrontation with the real Screenslaver, is a bit of a letdown, since they're an unarmed and normal human who just knocks Helen out with some fancy piloting skills and depressuring the cabin rather than having an actual fight. While it's more realistic and pragmatic than the usual super-battle would be, some fans felt it wasn't as exciting or visually interesting as the epic battle with the Omnidroid and the confrontation with Syndrome at the Parrs' house in the first movie, or even the battle with the Underminer that opens this one. This is especially the case when compared to the fake Screenslaver, who still gave Helen a surprisingly intense and brutal fight despite not having any powers or training.
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  • Award Snub: Incredibles 2 was a strong contender for the 2018 Best Animated Feature Academy Award but lost to the equally strong Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse which breaks a six year run (2012-2017) of a Disney/Pixar film winning that category. Fortunately there was not much dissension over the outcome as the fanbases of the two films overlap and, while it was immensely satisfying to finally get an Incredibles sequel, the animation industry acknowledged that Spider-Verse was a truly groundbreaking achievement in animation. Ultimately, the creators of Incredibles 2 will just have to take comfort in being the third highest grossing animated film of all time.
  • Badass Decay: A number of fans felt that Mr. Incredible was hit hard by this in contrast to the first movie. While previously he was a flawed but formidable character who was willing to throw his obnoxious boss through four concrete walls or snap Mirage in half because he (incorrectly) thought it would give him leverage against Syndrome, in this film he doesn't get as many opportunities to use his powers — losing a hand-to-hand fight against the Underminer of all people — and spending most of the movie as, well, basically every other suburban dad in cartoon history.
  • Captain Obvious Reveal: There was a ton of foreshadowing leading up to the reveal that Evelyn Deavor is the real Screenslaver. The Deavors' operation is just begging to be sabotaged from within, and between the two of them, Evelyn's the only major character with the tech-savvy to pull off the Screenslaver's actions. Humorously, once the twist is revealed, the villain comments on how 'clever' Elastigirl is for figuring it out, even though the majority of the audience probably guessed it long before the reveal.
  • Catharsis Factor: After Screenslaver has had everything go her way the entire movie with only a few minor hiccups, when she gives that Big "NO!" at the first of her mind control goggles breaking and her plan slowly begins going into a death spiral, it can be very cathartic.
  • Contested Sequel: Some have criticized the film for having a plot similar to the first movie but with Helen's and Bob's jobs reversed, and saw the villain as an inferior replacement to the well-received Syndrome. The Immediate Sequel status of this film didn't help either. On the other hand, a significant number of fans see the film as even better, as the movie significantly develops Helen's job life (in contrast to Bob's job life in the first movie, which was mostly covered in a montage) and Bob's home life was given significant focus as well.
  • Crosses the Line Twice: During Elastigirl's fight with Evelyn, the plane's high altitude lowers the oxygen for her, making it hard for her to breathe or focus, and also making her go loopy, as if she were drunk.
    Evelyn: Hypoxia. Things get sillier, and sillier. And then you die.
  • Die for Our Ship: A number of people play up Bob's shortcomings (he is established as an over-competitive and otherwise flawed but honestly devoted husband) in order to justify Helen casting him aside in favor of Voyd or Evelyn.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
    • Out of all the new, second-string Supers, Voyd has attracted a lot more attention than the rest. She stands out as an Adorkable but still well-meaning superhero with her socially awkward behavior made her a fan favorite. There's also the usual interpretations that her powers are incredibly strong when she's in control of her problems.
    • Edna's fanbase from the first movie returns in full force. Some people who didn't watch or ambivalent about her in the first movie are won over by her relationship with Jack-Jack.
    • The fake Screenslaver has a single scene but thanks to being a ghoulishly menacing foe who puts up an impressive fight against Helen, he has earned a lot of fan love. Despite just being an ordinary pizza boy with no powers and presumably no combat training, he is remarkably effective in said fight, to the extent that some fans have even said the real Screenslaver, Evelyn comes across as anti-climactic or not as cool by comparison.
  • Fanfic Fuel:
    • Edna's unseen night discovering all of Jack-Jack's powers and making a suit that addresses them all.
    • Edna also mentions that it's common for babies of supers to have more than one power. This of course can lead to all sorts of fanfics about other superheroes learning their powers, or superheroes who are the children of other superheroes (like it's implied some of the Deavors supers might be).
    • Finally, the amount of superheroes who are shown to be based out of other countries.
    • Supers are now legal again and a new generation of supers are ready to be do good.
  • Fanon:
    • Dash makes a joke about it, but some fans believe Violet really is going through menstruation during the part of the movie where she's upset, based on how intense her reaction is, even though she has a very specific reason for being angry at her father.
    • An extremely popular theory with LGBT fans is that Voyd is transgender and/or a lesbian, based off her somewhat masculine build and her style- as well as her seeming crush on Elastigirl.
  • Fandom Rivalry: The fandom for this movie has developed one with that of Teen Titans Go!, since Teen Titans Go! To the Movies is set for a theatrical release little over one month after this movie.
  • Fix Fic: Averting Tony's memory erasure of Violet by Dicker or regaining his memories of her through specific means is mostly common.
  • It's the Same, Now It Sucks!:
    • Some have criticized the film's plot as being too similar to the first movie, but with Helen's and Bob's roles being reversed and another villain who has strong opinions about the concept of superheroes (Syndrome wanting to make them more prevalent, Screenslaver wanting them eradicated completely.
    • Naturally, there were complaints about the twist involving the villain's true identity, by revealing they were a False Friend, a trope that Disney has been criticized for overusing. Not helping is the fact that it suffered from being a Captain Obvious Reveal, partly because of said overuse. It also doesn't help that this means the family fell for essentially the same scheme twice in a matter of months.
  • Jerkass Woobie: Due to her motivations revolving around the pain caused by her parents' deaths, and humanizing qualities such as sincerely loving her brother, Evelyn is a more sympathetic villain than Syndrome was.
  • LesYay:
    • Evelyn is quite fond of Elastigirl and they have quite a bit of chemistry with each other. But when Evelyn reveals herself as Screenslaver, it crosses firmly into Foe Yay territory.
    • Not to mention Voyd fangirling over Elastigirl. Elastigirl, for her part, seems amazed to have fans among the young hero community but distracted by the Screenslaver.
    • As well as at least a little seeming chemistry between Voyd and Violet after the former had been de-hypnotized.
  • Memetic Mutation:
    • Before the films' release, it became common to quote Syndrome's "Too late! Fifteen years too late." line from the first film due to the decade and a half long span of time between it and the sequel. However, once the release date got moved back a year, the meme fell out of favor. That said, it spawned another meme making jokes on how the film is just a year shy of Syndrome's comment.
    • The shot of Bob ecstatically holding Jack-Jack in the teaser trailer has seen numerous edits, often changing Jack-Jack into something else for Bob to hold.
    • Also, Dash's line that he took from a show he watched.
      Dash: It defines who I am!
      Bob: What?
    • "Where you going ASAP? You better be back ASAP!" Jokes about how Honey's return is what sealed the deal for some viewers.
    • Because of Fantastic Four's, poor track record regarding film adaptations, jokes about how this movie is the best Fantastic Four film are quite popular.
    • Jokes about how the raccoon that becomes Jack-Jack's Sitcom Arch-Nemesis is actually Rocket Raccoon himself.
    • The brief scene of Violet squirting water out of her nose is quickly becoming a reaction image.
    • WHERES AJ?! has also gotten quite a bit of attention. To recap, AJ Locascio is known for voicing Lotor in Voltron: Legendary Defender and Marty McFly in Back to the Future: The Game, and is credited under additional voices here. The fact that someone who voiced iconic characters is in a movie like this is making people wonder what character he voiced. note 
    • "Screenslaver interrupts this program for an important announcement."
  • Moral Event Horizon: Screenslaver truly crosses it when they are able to mind control supers and force them to commit acts of villainy, the very thing they stand against. It is especially notable is when they force Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl to attack their own children.
  • Nausea Fuel: Reflux's power to projectile vomit lava repulsed even the character art director himself. As a result, later drafts substantially changed the character's design, giving him more cartoonish features and an exaggerated frog-like vocal sac, in an attempt to make his concept less disgusting.
  • Obvious Judas: One of the criticisms directed at the film is how obvious the identity of the villain, Screenslaver, was to some viewers thanks to the early Foreshadowing. It even seems likely that having Helen be hired by a sibling duo when just one character easily could have filled both roles was an attempt to add some question about which of them it was, or if it was both. Though even then, there was no really doubt since the film made a big point that the brother isn't a tech genius, his sister is, so even then there was only one suspect. Also, her name is Evelyn Deavor... Evil Endeavor.
  • One-Scene Wonder: The raccoon that Jack-Jack fights, with its very expressive facial animation and the creative array of powers on Jack Jack's part causing many comparisons to classic Looney Tunes and Hanna-Barbera slapstick.
  • Overshadowed by Controversy: Downplayed, but a decent chunk of the online conversation about the movie, post-release, has centered on its unadvertised use of Epileptic Flashing Lights, which has caused serious adverse reactions in some epileptic viewers. Disney's failure to pre-emptively address the issue hasn't helped, though they eventually heeded the call and many cinemas have since posted warnings to photosensitive viewers, and the home release of the film toned down the flashing to where it's far less bright and far less likely to cause a problem.
  • Paranoia Fuel: Screenslaver's main shtick involves mass hypnosis induced by patterns projected on any screen that you may happen to be looking at for any given moment.
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  • Rainbow Lens: The plot revolves around legalizing superheroes and the movie makes it clear that the focus is on social equality for those with super powers. However, a downplayed version of this trope can be seen regarding Voyd who explicitly equates being allowed to be a superhero with being able to be herself and is overjoyed to join a group where everyone is like her. It helps that she has an androgynous appearance and Fanon has embraced her as queer.
  • Self-Fanservice: Voyd/Karen is already a slim and fairly attractive young woman with a very tight-fitting outfit, but that's evidently not enough for the legions of fanartists who either exaggerate her broad-shouldered build to previously unforeseen levels or take it in the opposite direction by turning her into an impossibly gorgeous supermodel, so she looks more equal when shipped with Elastigirl.
  • Signature Scene: Jack-Jack's fight with the raccoon is the scene talked about most by reviewers.
  • Spoiled by the Format: The Screenslaver is supposedly unmasked and defeated only about halfway through the movie? Yeah, right. As if.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character:
    • After 14 years, many fans were longing to finally see Lucius' wife Honey in person, only for her to still be an offscreen character in the final film. Especially disappointing since she was actually shown in a concept sketch as well as a deleted scene. Though to be fair, even Brad Bird admits that he was just as reluctant and disappointed to remove Honey's scenes from the final product.
    • The Underminer turns out to be just a Disc-One Final Boss to our heroes, and his line about "declaring war on peace and happiness" was a prelude to him just robbing a bank. He also becomes a Karma Houdini when he gets away scot free with the stolen money and the heroes never catch him again.
    • The DEVTECH supers. They all have fairly interesting powers, designs, and personalities, but with the exception of Voyd, their only contributions to the plot are while they're being controlled by the Screenslaver. They don't do anything to help out during the climax, even though there were scenarios in which their powers could prove useful note , so we never get to see them contribute to the plot as the heroes they wanted to be.
    • The Screenslaver ultimately turns out to be mostly a patsy for Evelyn Deavor's plans, disappointing those who thought that the decoy character's "you have become slaves to your own machines" motives and personality were more interesting and accurate to real life than Evelyn's hatred of superheroes, or even those who just thought the costume and personality is totally badass.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: The film immediately opens up with a flashback showing Tony Rydinger discovering that Violet is a superhero. This potentially interesting plot line of Violet having a relationship with someone who knows about her powers is immediately squandered when Dicker erases Tony's memory of the event, as well as the memory of Tony ever meeting Violet in the first place in The Teaser, resetting Tony back to the same Satellite Love Interest he was in the first movie. Especially annoying since in the brief moments where he keeps his memories, he confesses he still likes Violet and feels guilty over how he reacted.
  • Tough Act to Follow: The general consensus says that it may not be up there with the original, but comes close enough.
  • Viewer Gender Confusion: With her muscular body and deep voice, it's difficult to tell that Brick is a woman when you first meet her.
  • Visual Effects of Awesome:
    • When comparing this film to the first one... well, the changes in CGI technology is incredibly (no pun intended) obvious, with the characters looking less like plastic and more added details to the backgrounds and designs. This saved a major character — in the first film, Violet had less screentime and characterization compared to the rest of the family because her hair was too darn hard to animate. Not only is she much more prominent this time around, but early on there's a completely gratuitous scene of her blow-drying her hair, which Brad Bird confirmed that the animators put in just to show off.
    • Before the film was even released, when the first teaser (featuring Jack-Jack and Bob with Jack-Jack lasering Bob's hair), there was a huge deal made about how Pixar had such an eye for detail that they had even animated the fuzz on Bob's shirt.
  • What an Idiot!:
    • During the Underminer rampage, Bob tells the kids to stay out of the fight. Helen hands off Jack Jack's stroller, and Dash quickly runs off to leave Violet with Jack-Jack and set up a perimeter. Violet's unhappy about being saddled with babysitting duty.
      You'd Expect: Violet would keep her mask on; it's the first rule Helen taught her about being a hero.
      Instead: In a public parking lot, she has a temper tantrum and throws her mask to the ground.
      The Result: Tony Rydinger, the boy who asked her out on a date at the track meet, sees her without her mask and recognizes her.
    • The Deavor's parents are alone in their house and hear that it has been broken into by an unknown number of burglars. It's revealed that the Deavor house has a safe room..
      You'd Expect: The Deavors would retreat to their safe room and then notify the police since Supers had just been made illegal and forced to go underground.
      Instead: The father goes out of his way to reach his "direct-line" phones to call Gazerbeam and Fironic, only to discover they don't answer because they had been made illegal. This is done even though his wife begs him to retreat to the safe room which leaves him dangerously exposed regardless of whether he was calling Supers or the police.
      The Result: The father is discovered on the phone and shot by the burglars. The mother dies shortly afterwards from heart-break.
    • Early in the film when the Underminer is busy vacuuming up the bank vault he doesn't notice that Mr. Incredible has come up behind him.
      You'd Expect: Mr. Incredible to use the element of surprise to quickly take down the Underminer before he's noticed.
      Instead: Mr. Incredible stops some distance away and assumes a heroic pose to loudly announce "Underminer. We meet again..."
      The Result: The Underminer turns in surprise to catch Mr. Incredible off-guard and suck him into the vacuum pipe. This serves to draw out the fight, allowing the Underminer to escape with the money and causing needless damage to the city by the unmanned Drill Tank.
  • What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?: Brad Bird has had to explain many times that Incredibles 2 is NOT a kids film just because it's an animated film. Apparently many parents have come to assume that the PG rating means "Practically G" and were shocked when the film actually had adult content.
  • Woolseyism: In the Brazilian dub, Brick tells Elastigirl that she is from Acre (state of Brazil) instead of Wisconsin.


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