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  • Adaptation Displacement:
    • Now that she's using the name "Captain Marvel", the most frequent response to the question "Who is Captain Marvel?" is yet still "Oh yeah, he's the guy in the red suit with the lightning bolt who says "Shazam", right?" But she's beginning to be better known as the holder of the name due to media exposure like Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite and of course the MCU film, and DC Comics downplaying it for their character.
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    • Thanks to the media exposure, Carol has started to become a more well known heroine, but that in turn has led to even more people not knowing who Mar-Vell is, or worse, seeing him as a character that only appears in Carol's origin story.
      • Even fewer people seem aware that five other characters have held the Captain Marvel mantle in between Mar-Vell and Carol
    • The MCU making Thanos a more well-known character has led people to get Jim Starlin's Classic stories, including his run on Captain Mar-Vell. Though they would more likely read it for Thanos rather for Mar-Vell.
  • Angst? What Angst?: In Ms. Marvel #12, back in the 70s, Carol Danvers and Ms. Marvel were two characters that exchanged bodies, as Thor and Donald Blake, or Captain Marvel and Rick Jones. Ms. Marvel had to decide: save Carol's best friend from a crash, or save the world from some villains with a reality warping object? She chose the latter. She retrieved the object and changed back to Carol, who was angered with both the villains and Ms. Marvel (but specially Ms. Marvel) for letting her friend die. Then Hecate made her understand the truth: they are not independent entities, Carol Danvers and Ms. Marvel are one and the same person (the transformation sequence is just a quick clothing change). She was so happy and relived about it, that she forgot that things were then much worse: it was not "someone else" who left her friend to die, but herself.
  • Base-Breaking Character: It isn't much of an exaggeration to call Carol Danvers the most controversial female solo superhero of the Marvel universe, at least since the 2010s.
    • Carol's Fandom adores her as one of Marvel's oldest solo female superheroes, cherishing her for her strongly feminist attitude and her status as one of Marvel's relatively few Cosmic tier superheroes. They tend to see the surge of attention and publicity she gained in the 2010s as a long-overdue upswing for an Ensemble Dark Horse character who had long been overshadowed by the likes of the X-Ladies and She-Hulk. Additionally, Carol's more overtly pro-feminist character slant is seen as a very welcome step forward, especially when combined with Marvel's attempts to make her more of a flagship character. This is particularly prominent amongst the camp of Marvel fans who feel Marvel has always lagged behind DC Comics in terms of superheroines.
    • Carol's Hatedom tends to fall into one (or more) of several camps. One camp believes that Carol's increased presence in the 2010s is simple Character Shilling, born out of a desire to promote cross-ties with the Marvel Cinematic Universe — this camp is also likely to disapprove of Carol's treatment in the MCU, believing it (and/or her increased presence in general) are a cynical marketing ploy by Disney to compensate for Fox's ownership of the more traditionally popular Marvel superheroines; Susan Storm, She-Hulk, Jean Grey, Storm and Rogue. A related camp feels Carol's identity as Captain Marvel was simply another ploy in the long-running feud over the rights to that name between Marvel and DC. Another camp dislikes Carol because they feel she is too prone to falling into the negative stereotypes of the "feminist jerkass" and the "social justice warrior". And a final camp dislikes Carol simply because they feel she tends to be bland at best, and an unlikable Jerkass at worst, as seen in her infamous involvement in the Civil War II event.
  • Broken Base:
    • Carol's costume and shorter haircut in her ongoing solo series starting in 2012 is a major source of contention. Everyone agrees that it makes her look less traditionally feminine than her classic long, blond hair, but does it makes her a stronger and more distinctive heroine, or is it just plain ugly? It also inverts her old red and blue look to a blue and red look which ties into Marvel remodeling her into a Superman-esque poster girl, which itself has led to arguments as to whether she deserves this treatment over Marvel's other female heroes.
    • The Retcon that Carol's mother was actually a Kree champion who decided to stay on Earth and marry a human man, so Carol was always half-Kree; an interesting divergence from the cliche of "female character gets her powers from a male mentor/origin", a cheap effort at making her more of a "Marvel's Super Girl", disrespectful to Captain Mar-Vell, or just a boring and hamfisted feminist rewash?
  • Bizarro Episode: Of her 2014 run, Issue #9 has gotten some heat due to being this. It a Musical Episode... in a medium that doesn't have the ability to convey sound, so it leads to some truly bizarre moments. Likely this is due to being Filler for the next Milestone Celebration issue.
    • Or how about the preceding story in which her pet cat Chewie is revealed to be an alien called a "Flerken" that can produce pocket dimensions, tentacles from its mouth, and suddenly lays 117 eggs? After all the Flerken offspring are dropped off on another planet, this is never brought up ever again.
  • Critical Dissonance: One of the stranger aspects of Carol's status as a Base-Breaking Character is that, whilst critics tend to rave about her 2010s storylines, they don't actually do very well with the actual readers. In the period between 2012 to 2017, Carol was relaunched under the Captain Marvel title three times, not one of which managed to make it as far as 20 issues, and except for that first timenote , not one of those runs survived for more than a year before being cancelled due to lack of numbers. In 2018, she was relaunched once more as The Mighty Captain Marvel — which likewise failed to make it to 20 issues or last more than a year. And then came 2019, with Carol being relaunched once again as Captain Marvel Volume #10.
  • Dork Age: After she took the mantle of Captain Marvel, Marvel Comics heavily pushed her as their response to DC Comics's Wonder Woman and as a strong and independent Feminist Icon. However, many fans took issue with her change in personality as she became more smug, entitled and confrontational with the other heroes and her stories became more Anvilicious. This, combined with her role in Civil War II, turned her into a very controversial character with the older fans, something that Marvel editorial and her writers weren't very fond of to say the least... This has made it very hard for many older fans to take Carol seriously on her own, even In-Universe she doesn't get along with the other heroes most of the time, giving the sensation that most of the writers don't know how to write her properly without making her into a self-righteous jerk.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse: For having started off as a Love Interest to Mar-Vell before becoming his Distaff Counterpart, Carol's actually made quite a name for herself. And of course she's now the Captain Marvel.
  • Fanon Discontinuity:
    • A lot of fans like to pretend the whole Marcus Immortus thing never happened, and rightly so.
    • Equally, people like to ignore her involvement in Civil War and Civil War II due to Carol making very morally questionable decisions in both events and because both stories were... extremely ill-received, to put it mildly.
    • In fact, a minority also try to ignore her run as Captain Marvel due to many changes in her character had taken ever since she took up the mantle which fans disliked.
  • Fan-Preferred Couple:
    • Thanks to Brian Reed, she was a potential love interest for Spider-Man. Since their first date, nothing's come of it outside of them becoming close friends and mild flirting from Spidey, though when Carol herself was taken over by Venom, he hints to Spidey that his crush might not be one-sided. They also have much more in common than one would think, such as their status as The Chew Toy and not getting as much respect from others. A lot of fans thought of her as a better replacement for Mary Jane as Spider-Man's love-interest post-One More Day than his actual ones at the time.
    • She's also very commonly paired with Jessica Drew due to the massive amount of Les Yay between the two. It's even joked In-Universe that Carol is the father of Jessica's baby.
  • Friendly Fandoms:
    • With fans of Matt Fraction's Hawkeye book. At least partially due to Kelly Sue and Fraction being Happily Married.
    • Despite the fact that she more commonly works with the Avengers, fans of Carol tend to overlap with X-Men fans and the character is typically more well-associated with them than the Avengers. This is partly because both series were made great by Chris Claremont. Of course, it could also be because a lot of people still think of Carol as "the blonde woman Rogue stole her cool powers from" and there are others who find Carol's "honorary X-Man" status to be rather silly given that she has very little in common with them, friendship with Wolverine or not.
  • Harsher in Hindsight: During Civil War II, Carol Danvers' complete disregard for legal precepts of Habeas Corpus, Actus Reus and Mens Rea — not to mention the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Eighth Amendments to the US Constitution — are hard to swallow given the concern of the erosion of civil rights that have happened since the days of 9/11.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: As put up by The Editing Room, Carol's Air Force callsign "Cheeseburger" when she's portrayed by someone with a cheesy name, Brie Larson (the movie itself subverts it, as there Carol's callsign was "Avenger").
  • Jerkass Woobie: Carol may have become more abrasive from Civil War II onwards, but given the constant crap she had to endure throughout the years, you can't help but understand why. Issue #7 of Secret Empire also reveals her frustration to live up to everyone's expectations, only to let them down and screw things up even more.
  • Les Yay:
    • With Jessica Drew which is perhaps more impressive for not being Claremont's fault.
    • She appears to have a little chemistry with Scarlet Witch as well.
  • Memetic Mutation:
    • Her Captain Marvel outfit as designed by artist Jamie McKelvie has gotten this reaction from fans, with plenty of fan art and cosplays of said costume popping up since being introduced in the summer of 2012. Encouraged by the comic itself; one of Carol's friends makes her a hat based on the outfit's design.
    • "Yaas, Queen!" It comes from the solicit for The Mighty Captain Marvel #1, and gained traction because of how Totally Radical it was. It's usually used as a sarcastic insult for Carol, though.
  • Moral Event Horizon: Two with the main character doing this - both in big crossover events, unsurprisingly.
    • During one of the side-stories for Marvel's original Civil War arc, Carol attacks Julia Carpenter, and gives Julia a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown where her daughter can see. For a lot of fans, this destroyed any possibility of Danvers being seen as a hero, even though it was followed by a My God, What Have I Done?.
    • In Civil War II, which mangled various characters nearly as much as the original Civil War event, Carol crosses this line when Tony Stark reveals that Ulysses' precognitive powers aren't predicting the actual future but a possible future, has this confirmed by the Beast and she still opts to continue to believing the predictions and pushing her "Change the Future" stance. The thing that kicks off the fight is when she and S.H.I.E.L.D. arrests a woman with the only evidence of something bad she could have done being Ulysses' vision of her and an empty suitcase. The prior example, from the first Civil War, at least had the excuse that Julia broke the law (however controversial that law was) and endangered the lives of SHIELD agents. Here, Carol's the one breaking laws, and her targets haven't even done anything yet.
  • My Real Daddy: Roy Thomas created Ms. Marvel, but Chris Claremont made her awesome. It's also why she's more or less an unofficial member of the X-Men. Either Kelly Sue DeConnick or Brian Reed (or both) deserve credit as well, depending on who you ask.
  • Never Live It Down:
    • The entire "Marcus Immortus" incident, combined with Rogue stealing her powers and memories, sidelined Ms. Marvel for years until Kurt Busiek brought her back as a main character in Avengers. It took her own series to undo a lot of the damage.
    • Her attacking Julia Carpenter during the first Civil War in front of her daughter.
    • The fact that her book has been retooled and relaunched four times since taking over the mantle of Captain Marvel in 2012. That, plus her increased prominence in marketing, has led to her current Creator's Pet accusations.
    • Calling Magneto "the guy on internet who compares everything to Hitler" is brought up a lot by her detractors due to the author having not done his research. Later issues attempt to rectify this by saying that she didn't know he was a Holocaust survivor at the time she said that.
    • Going all-in with Ulysses' visions in Civil War 2, which led to the creation of glorified concentration camps to lock up the people she arrested for pre-crime and her putting Iron Man into a coma which, when he woke up from it, she bluntly insisted she wasn't going to apologize. In-universe this was actually the last straw for Kamala, who now uses the Ms. Marvel name partly out of spite and to restore the legacy it had when she was a child. Special note: Since Kamala’s interactions with Carol were always disingenuous even before civil war ii she really isn’t restoring anything. Examples The emotionless, unearned and half-assed Scene during the Last days of Ms. Marvel arc. Another example after Civil War II instead of letting Carol move on from that non-relationship there was a half-assed reconciliation in Ms. Marvel #28. It should be also noted that Kamala taking Ms. Marvel name probably has less meaning than when Sharon Ventura was using the name and she didn’t even know Carol.
  • Older Than They Think: The Captain Marvel rename and costume switch is actually just the first of several name and costume changes in her history, rather than the first one like many assumed; in fact, the identity she went by for most of her existence was Binary. Ms Marvel is the identity most people have heard of because its her first.
  • Romantic Plot Tumor: In the early Captain Mar-Vell stories she appeared in, when she was just an ordinary human supporting character and not a superhero herself, she often came off as something of a blonde Lois Lane towards the main character, Captain Marvel/Mar-Vell, right down to the fact that she didn't get along with his civilian identity Dr. Walter Lawson while being infatuated with his very manly and heroic Kree warrior self (and she did manage to kiss him at least once). Unfortunately for Carol he already had a girlfriend so the whole thing was quite awkward. Once she became a superhero herself, this trope was shaken off.
  • Squick: The infamous Marcus Immortus incident a.k.a. the "Rape of Ms. Marvel". It's already bad enough that Carol was pregnant with the man who is the father of her child, but what makes it even worse was the revelation that Marcus brainwashed Carol into procreating the child. It shifted from a badly written romance to outright rape.
  • Strangled by the Red String: A Tropes Are Tools example! When the KSD Captain Marvel run was relaunched after a time skip, Carol had, out of nowhere, hooked up with Rhodey, despite the two never interacting. However, this has largely been accepted by the fandom, due to the fact the two have nice chemistry and have quite a bit in common (their shared military background, being experienced pilots, and snarky and tough demeanor), and the fact the run avoids making a big deal out of it, with the two only having occasional scenes where they flirt or work together, making it feel far less forced than many SBTRS examples.
  • Take That!: Her taking the mantle of Captain Marvel was for two reasons; the first one was to elevate her to the same status as Captain America, Iron Man and Thor. The second one? As a middlefinger to DC Comics as they finally took over the Captain Marvel trademark with their Captain Marvel (Billy Batson) now being legally referred as Shazam.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot:
    • A possible romantic relationship between Carol and Mar-Vell could have been a genuinely compelling subplot, but she was never so much as a blip on Mar-Vell's radar.
    • Carol's relationship with Peter Parker. The idea of Spidey dating a heroine, being post-One More Day not withstanding, had potential to be explored. Peter could date someone who knows his secret and saves the day alongside him, while Carol dates someone who is friendlier and more jovial than her usual boyfriends. What stopped it? Spider-Man's then-current writer Dan Slott was against it.
  • The Woobie: Carol's had her fair share of Woobie-worthy moments - screwed over by a jerky father, crappy boss, brainwashed and raped repeatedly by a super-villain, lost her powers and was left to drown while in a coma, more problems with powers coming and going over the years, struggled with alcoholism, depression, on again/off again inferiority complex, unfulfilled love life, misguided and ridiculous jokes against her body, may or may not have been forced to float naked in space by the Brood (and was actually experimented upon while naked by the Brood), repeated memory loss etc. But she's survived it all and become the new Captain Marvel, so she is probably an Iron Woobie.
  • Values Dissonance: Carol's two most notable costumes reflect the changing sensibilities of the times. The black one-piece swimsuit, thigh-highs leggings with heels and arm-length gloves from her Ms. Marvel days would be considered a mere Ms. Fanservice outfit today by newer fans for overly sexualizing her, by showing some skin and highlighting her curves. Hence, for her rebranding as Captain Marvel it was replaced by her current unisex space military outfit which covers everything up (and downplays her curves, Depending on the Artist) and this was used for the MCU. However, in-universe at the time, Carol designed the black outfit herself to "look great", as a display of self-confidence. In short, what may be seen as empowering and progressive then may be seen as still problematic today, Fair for Its Day at best.


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