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  • Acceptable Targets: Not the worst example, but they are often bashed for being too mainstream, too emo, too cheesy and/or not being "true" metal. Fans of the band are often written off as "newbies" who just don't know anything better.
  • Anvilicious: "Critical Acclaim" from the Self Titled album, especially the spoken rants between the verses (mercifully absent in live shows). For a band that "doesn't want to impose their political views on others", that rubbed some people the wrong way.
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  • Author's Saving Throw: When the band released the single for their new song "Mad Hatter", it was criticized by fans for its lackluster and rather uneven mix, especially when compared to their previous studio album. Less than a week after the track was released M. Shadows announced via Reddit that they heard the fan outcry (they realized the problem when they heard the song on the radio themselves) and were working on a new mix to replace the old version heard before, effectively replacing the old mix a week after its debut. He then offered a free download link for those who already purchased the "Mad Hatter" single or the Black Reign EP beforehand.
  • Awesome Music:
    • Take your pick, but City of Evil is a good start.
    • They YMMV with the band, even haters tend to agree that "Bat Country", "Unholy Confessions", "The Beast and The Harlot", and "Afterlife" are awesome songs.
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    • "A Little Piece of Heaven" is fantastic, disturbing (and funny) as it is, especially if you're a fan of Danny Elfman.
    • "Exist", the closing track from The Stage, was enjoyed even by people who didn't like the album, if only for Neil deGrasse Tyson's speech in the last part.
  • Big-Lipped Alligator Moment: The scene of Jimmy chasing a goose in All Excess.
  • Bizarro Episode:
    • "Streets", a straight-up punk song picked up from M. Shadows' first band, Successful Failure.
    • "A Little Piece of Heaven", an 8-minute story about a guy and his girlfriend murdering each other and coming back as zombies, in an otherwise pretty radio-friendly album.
    • "Runaway", a punk rock cover of a largely forgotten 1961 hit from Del Shannon, featuring Warren Fitzgerald from The Vandals on guitar, and Zacky Vengeance on vocals. Zacky Vengeance on vocals.
  • Broken Base: The Avenged Sevenfold fandom comes in about four camps; or as Shadows himself puts it, "We have seven albums, meaning seven different groups of people that wanna hear all sorts of shit":
    • Those who listen primarily to metalcore/post-hardcore tend to gravitate towards the band's first two albums, Sounding the Seventh Trumpet and Waking the Fallen.
    • Those who don't care much for metalcore/post-hardcore, but are fans of straightforward hard rock bordering on heavy metal would prefer the band's output from City of Evil and thereafter. Although, some may enjoy a handful of the less -core sounding songs from Waking the Fallen (in particular, "Unholy Confessions"). However, this group is divided even further into two other camps.
    • The band's previous album, Hail to the King, is not only the first album to be recorded without any input whatsoever from the late Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan - but also takes on a significantly different direction from the previous three albums (although probably not quite as drastically as City of Evil was from Waking the Fallen). According to lead singer M Shadows, the album can be described as "more blues rock-influenced and more like classic rock and classic metal in the vein of Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin". Quite naturally, this album would be even more disdained by those who prefer the band's STST/WTF-era style. But even a significant portion of those who have enjoyed the past three albums find the style to be too much of a departure for them.
    • Last, but not least, there are those who enjoy the entire body of the band's output. Even if the band may have modified their style a few times, the "Avenged Sevenfold flavour" was a constant in everything they did.
    • Also, arguments abound over who is the best drummer: Arin, Jimmy or Brooks.
    • "Critical Acclaim" is either Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped on people overly being negative on a war effort while doing nothing worthwhile themselves, or a Fox News worthy rant calling anyone who didn't like The War on Terror unamerican.
      • For those who do want to hear Jimmy's incredible chorus without hearing the rants, check out their live DVD, where the song is played without the speaking sections.
    • The Stage is either a return to form for the band, featuring a more progressive metal approach to their songs, or overly pretentious trash that ruins M. Shadows' voice.
    • Speaking of which, there's much debate on whether M. Shadows' voice has gotten better or worse over the years.
  • Contested Sequel: Coming off of the band's most commercially successful release, followup Avenged Sevenfold is bound to have polarizing reception and comparisons to its predecessor, City of Evil. Some of the reasons why the self-titled receives a lot of flak is due to the band's departure from speed metal to a traditional heavy metal sound with plenty of genre-bending.note 
    • Similarly, Hail to the King both had to live up to the critically acclaimed Nightmare and introduce the fans to the late Rev's successor at the drums. Musically the fans disliked the more mainstream and bluesy approach and Arin didn't really get to shine much since the band asked him to hold back and stay simple.
  • Crack Pairing: Arin and Jimmy. There is bandslash for Arin and Jimmy.
  • Crazy Awesome: The Rev. Taken Up to Eleven with Pinkly Smooth, a side project inspired by Mr. Bungle.
  • Crosses the Line Twice: "A Little Piece of Heaven", as described on the main page. But in particular this line.
    'Cause I really always knew that my little crime / Would be cold that's why I got a heater for your thighs
    • The music video even provides a handy image of said heater - the "Super Thigh Heater 3000GSS" - every time this part of the chorus is sung. Also, every time they perform the song live, Gates usually slaps his thighs on cue.
  • Dork Age: Quite a few fans seem to view the Hail to the King era as this, feeling that the album wasn't so much inspired by classic heavy metal bands as clumsily trying to imitate them. Making their sound more anthemic and arena-oriented didn't sit well with everyone either. Matt later admitted that they were starting to be "burnt out and feeling like they were walking through the motions" in that period. Now whether this Dork Age ended with Brook's arrival and The Stage is another debate, but it seems to be seen as an improvement overall.
  • Ending Fatigue: One of the common criticisms toward Waking the Fallen and Ciy of Evil is the excessive length of some tracks and overuse of Fakeout Fadeout. Songs like "Second Heartbeat" or the 10-minute long "Strength of the World" are notable examples.
    • "The Stage" is guilty of the same, with the title track being nearly 9 minutes long.
  • Epic Riff: Many. Particular mention to "Afterlife", where Syn just kills the guitar riffs so much that even the backup string players during the recording thought it's awesome.
  • Epileptic Trees:
    • Some say that "Fiction" is The Rev's suicide note, and that he killed himself over his heart condition and drug habits...Yeah...
    • There's been more than one fanfiction written where The Rev's not dead but in a mental hospital and the rest of the band is claiming that he's dead to protect him.
    • The theories in regards to The Rev's passing has always been speculated by fans. While most agree that his death was purely accidental (overdosing on his prescription medication for his enlarged heart) and the foreshadowing of "Fiction" and its back story (along with all his songs being about death), some feel there's a possibility considering said foreshadowing of "Fiction" and of course, the fact Jimmy had been quoted saying he wouldn't live past 30.
  • Face of the Band: Averted. The whole band are always seen as True Companions, and nobody really gets any publicity over anyone else ('cept maybe Johnny...)
  • Fridge Brilliance: The album-title for "Hail To The King" can be seen as having two different meanings: The obvious meaning being that the album is just named after one of the songs on the album, and the less obvious being "This album is our tribute to some of the biggest bands in Rock and Metal". The fact that many of the songs sound similar to other bands' songs ("This Means War" is structured like "Sad But True" by Metallica, and "Coming Home" has all the characteristics of a typical Iron Maiden song) only supports this.
  • "Funny Aneurysm" Moment:
  • Funny Moments:
    • The Rev was made of this.
    • Go watch any of the backstage footage they've filmed for DVDs, or the vignettes they recorded for the Taste of Chaos tour.
    • This is just some of it. We could be here all day trying to find more.
  • Germans Love David Hasselhoff: The band seems to have a huge South-American fanbase, for some reason. Some of their most massive concerts were in Brazil.
  • Growing the Beard:
    • It's often agreed that Waking the Fallen was the point where the band truly began to realize their potential as songwriters, which would later be expanded (in a different direction) on their works after leaving the field of melodic metalcore.
    • Nightmare had much deeper lyrics than their previous albums, due mostly to the band's Author Existence Failure making the other band members more emotional.
    • In a different way, some feel that The Stage is an evolution in the band's maturity, trying to take more artistic (and commercial) risk and tackling unusual lyrical subjects. It's also around the time of its release that M. Shadows grew a literal beard…
  • Harsher in Hindsight:
    • This quote from Revolver's Avenged Sevenfold collector's edition:
    Synyster Gates: "Yeah, he fucking planned it all, that crazy fuck. Knew he was gonna be gone before 30. He told my dad that he was fucking out. He said, "I know two things: I'm gonna be in a famous rock band, and I'm gonna die before I'm 30." He told my dad that at 15."
    • The song "Brompton Cocktail". For those unaware, it was about a man who will die due to something wrong with him and is given a Brompton cocktail (a mix of morphine or heroin, cocaine, and alcohol) to relieve the pain. The Rev (who co-wrote this song with Shadows) was found with OxyContin, Valium, and alcohol in his system when he died; his enlarged heart was either considered part of the reason why he died, or he used them to make sure he wouldn't die suddenly from the aforementioned heart defect.
    • It's often said of him that he had a "huge heart", like a kind heart. He also had an enlarged heart, which partially lead to his death.
    • During the writing process for Nightmare, Zacky Vengeance said in an interview that their next record "[would] take you on a very dark journey" and that "only a world spinning out of control could inspire the music and vision [we] have now. Once again, it is f—ing exciting.” The Rev died a month after the interview.
    • Also, the song "Fiction" definitely counts even though it was released after his death, as it was the last song he wrote (although he had been working on it for a long time) and the song is told from the point of view of someone recently deceased saying goodbye to their loved ones. To add to the eeriness, it contains the very last vocal and piano tracks he ever recorded and is the only song on the album that features his voice and playing. Well that, and this quote:
    M. Shadows: "The new album, Nightmare, is dedicated to The Rev's memory and although it's not exactly a concept album, it does center around The Rev. The eeriest thing about it is there is a song on the album called "Fiction", which started out with the title "Death". And the song was the last song The Rev wrote for the album, and when he handed it in, he said, that’s it, that’s the last song for this record. And then 3 days later, he died."
    • That's not limited to "Fiction" either. The breakdown episode about "Save Me" reveals that some of lyrics of that song that were thought to be about The Rev were actually written by him, including a part where he sings in the background (although it's barely audible on the record).
  • Heartwarming Moments:
    • Their 2010 album, Nightmare features numerous tributes to the Rev.
    • The video for "Nightmare" never shows the band performing together (Only Zacky & Syn playing together in the guitar solo), and ends with a single shot of The Rev's final drum kit, bathed in a white light - And this is the only shot of the drums in the entire video.
      • Technically there is a shot of The Rev's kit from City of Evil, smashed, broken, and crawling with spiders, (a reference to the "Afterlife" video, which has spiders crawling on The Revs face.) near the beginning.
      • Also, the video opens with a shot of a tattoo of The Rev's deathbat on Matt's hand
    • Mike Portnoy stepping in to fill in for The Rev on the album Nightmare and following tours. He was The Rev's favorite drummer and biggest influence.
    • Want bigger heartwarming? Each time the band plays "Fiction", being the last song The Rev worked on, they cast a white light on a piano, have his vocals play in the background, and when the outro organ music plays, they cast a white light on the drums. Beautiful.
    • In terms of heartwarming songs, "Warmness on the Soul" is a good example."I give my heart,cause nothing can compare in this world to you......."
  • He's Just Hiding!: More than a few fans are convinced that The Rev's in the woods training to become the knife master.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: The band had a song called "Burn It Down" from their third album, which shares the exact name as the lead single from Linkin Park's fifth album Living Things. More than a decade later, Shadows performs the latter song during LP's tribute concert for their late co-frontman Chester Bennington.
  • Ho Yay:
  • Hype Backlash: "The Stage" got a lot of people calling it their best album ever, or album of the year, etc, so naturally a few people were surprised to find they didn't think it was anything special.
  • Memetic Mutation: "Look at the size of that fucking duck!"
  • Most Wonderful Sound:
    • Syn's and Zack's guitar playing get a lot of love, but when it comes to the fans, everyone loves The Rev's "double ride thing" on songs, in particular on "Almost Easy". So much so that Brooks doing it himself in "Paradigm" got a smile on his bandmates' faces.
    • By some extent, the Rev's voice. M. Shadows' vocals can count as either this or annoying depending on who you ask, due to his rather peculiar nasal timbre.
  • Narm: Their stage names.
  • Narm Charm:
    • The line "IT'S YOUR FUCKIN' NIGHTMAAAAAARE, HA HA HA" is very clichéd and cheesy, but nobody seems to care besides a few critics. "A Little Piece of Heaven" is full of narm as well, but it's all tongue-in-cheek.
    • Their stage names fall under this.
    • "Warmness on the Soul" is a sweet composition even with Shadows' congested delivery.
  • Nightmare Fuel:
    • The music videos for many of their songs, but most notably the videos for "Bat Country" and "The Beast and the Harlot".
    • "A Little Piece of Heaven" in spades. Though this may count more as a Bizarro Episode if the underlying theme and its relation to the other songs of the Self-Titled Album is to be taken in context.
    • The Nightmare video has this, appropriately enough - Children playing in blood, a catatonic Syn Gates banging his bloodied head against a window...
      • Other creepy factors such as Matt's slow Sanity Slippage through the hospital, Zack dancing with a skeleton and the ending Wham Shot being that the surgery room containing The Rev's drum set, with the lights morphed into his form.
    • "Fiction" is very chilling. Subverted when it becomes a Tear Jerker about half way through it.
      • And then goes back to being Nightmare Fuel for the last thirty seconds or so, which is basically a passage of eerie near-silence.
      Not that I could,
      Or that I would,
      Let it burn,
      Under my skin,
      • Nightmare in general is either this or pure Tear Jerker, alongside some other disturbing cuts such as "Buried Alive" (about dying and basically enduring hell for your actions) and "Natural Born Killer".(Exactly What It Says on the Tin), and a full blown Rage Against the Heavens with "God Hates Us". Remember, this is an album dedicated to their deceased friend/drummer.
    • "Not Ready to Die," the song written for Black Ops Zombies, is sung from the point of view of Richtofen / the zombies...
  • Older Than They Think: Overkill's mascot Chaly has been around longer than A7X's Deathbat. The former band has even sent the members of the latter band shirts telling them to "get your own fuckin' mascot!" for "stealing" the design. However, the symbol of the skull with wings is older than Overkill themselves.
  • Periphery Demographic: The band has a surprisingly large female fanbase, given the kind of music they play.
  • Replacement Scrappy: Arin was this for some fans, who found him less skilled than The Rev. Often ignoring that the simpler drums on Hail to the King were a deliberate choice by the band. It didn't help that it was the only album Arin was in to begin with.
    • Mostly adverted with Brooks Wackerman, whose drumming abilities fit with the band's music, especially on The Stage.
  • Sacred Cow: Pretty much every album has its lovers and detractors, but you'll hardly find any fan who doesn't like Waking the Fallen. Or doesn't care for The Rev's drum work.
    • The Rev in general is seen as this. Even detractors admit that he was a talented drummer taken too soon from everyone.
  • Ship Mates: The bandslash fans do this a lot, most often with Synacky and Jimohnny.
  • Signature Song: "Bat Country," "The Beast and the Harlot," "Unholy Confessions," "Nightmare", and arguably "God Damn".
  • Signature Style: Expect poppy chord progressions and catchy Ear Worm hooks and Choruses, against metal backgrounds, references to The Bible, melodramatic and theatrical Large Ham lyrics, and a lot of harmonic minor keys. As well as healthy doses of sweeping in Synyster Gates's solos.
  • Squick: "A Little Piece of Heaven" features such lovely scenes as the two "lovers" drinking brain juice from a severed head.
  • Suspiciously Similar Song: A frequent complaint about the Hail to the King album.
    • "Hail to the King" seems to be the answer to Metallica's "King Nothing". The two songs don't sound that much alike musically, but the similar titles and lyrical contents gave some ideas to the fans.
    • "This Means War" has been called suspiciously similar to "Sad But True," especially in the intro and the verses. The band members themselves acknowledge the ressemblance, suggesting that it's at least partly deliberate.
    • "Heretic"'s verse sounds like Megadeth's "Symphony of Destruction" with its riff-singing-riff-singing structure.
    • "Shepherd of Fire" has notable similarities with both Metallica's "Enter Sandman" and Megadeth's "Trust", especially in the intro and the bridge.
  • Vindicated by History:
    • Sounding the Seventh Trumpet does have quite a few fans nowadays, and the band have started playing "To End the Rapture" and an instrumental arrangement of "Warmness on the Soul" in 2017, the first time in years that they played anything from that album.
    • Hail to the King is somewhat less disliked now than when it came out, if only because The Stage eased some fans' fears that HTTK's simplified style would be a permanent change. Similarly, Arin Ilejay has his fair share of fans now that he's no longer in the band, some sympathizing with him for being unceremoniously "kicked out".
  • Win Back the Crowd: While Hail to the King was received with a big, resounding "meh", The Stage is mostly seen (mostly) as a return to form, a few fans considering it their best album, period. Fans and critics who liked it notably praise the general concept, musical diversity and bigger risk-taking. Brooks Wackerman taking over the drums certainly helped more than a little too, as his drumming style is considered a much better fit for the band than Arin Ilejay's.


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