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    The Comics 
  • Broken Base: Is Hank Pym the best Ant-Man, or is Scott Lang? Or is it Eric O'Grady? Bring it up and watch the flames explode forth.
  • Cant Un Hear It: Due to the fact that Hank's fan-favorite portrayal in The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes! was very iconic and popular among the comic book fans of Hank Pym and considered to be the greatest media rendition of Henry Pym ever to exist in any media outside of the comics, fans tend to hear the voice of Wally Wingert as Dr. Henry "Hank" Pym (or whenever Hank is Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Goliath, Yellowjacket, or Wasp) whenever they are reading his lines from just about anywhere.
  • Death of the Author: A number of comics readers as well as John Byrne have called out Jim Shooter's attempts to say that the "famous slap" was an accident and a mistake by the artist and not an attempt by him as a writer to show Hank slapping Janet. As people who read Avengers #211-213 point out both dialogue, and later action, unquestionably treat the scene as abuse, down to Janet hiding her black eye behind glasses in the court martial meeting with the Avengers.
  • Fanon Discontinuity: Fans of Pym try to pretend that the slap never happened as seen. Some justify him with in-story reasons (such as Pym being Not Himself), and others claim that the artist misunderstood the plot and that it wasn't meant to be a slap. It doesn't help that nobody bothers to read the whole story, whose climactic bit is Pym accepting responsibility for his actions without excuses or exceptions. In either case, as writers and editors point out, ignoring the slap is impossible In-Universe because Avengers #211-230 remains Hank's greatest story and character moment in comics.
  • Fandom-Enraging Misconception:
    • Critizing Scott Lang or Eric O'Grady for the slap can enrage their fans, as the incident was commited only by Pym, with none of his legacy characters being involved.
    • Also similar to DC fans with Aquaman, calling Ant-Man a loser with lame powers will instantly mark you as a target for hate; for Marvel fans "Ant-Man is stupid" jokes stopped being funny 20 years ago.
  • Friendly Fandoms:
    • With The Superior Foes of Spider-Man, due to Nick Spencer writing Ant-Man's most recent ongoing and using it as a semi-sequel to Superior Foes.
    • The fandom of Ant-Man as a character has always had a friendly relationship with the fandom of Hawkeye, owing to Clint's strong friendship with both Hank and Scott (and for fans of the younger generation, Kate and Cassie's friendship), and the fact both character suffer from an unjustified bad reputation.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: Just try to watch Ant-Man pop pills to change his size, in 1960s comics, without thinking of Viagra.
  • Iron Woobie: Hank Pym is a man who lost his first wife by secret police thanks to the Cold War, saw his colleague die, create an AI that turns out to be an absolute monster and therefore hold the guilt for every horrific act it does, go through a mental breakdown and (temporarily) kicked out of the team he was a founding member of, left destitute, and lost yet another wife (the daughter of said colleague, no less). In spite of this, he still strives to do whatever he can to be a true hero and save the world.
  • Jerkass Woobie: All three of the Ant-Men to different degrees; each one are very flawed men who've all done morally questionable stuff to different extents, however they've also suffered so much, as a result of their actions and behaviours as well as just bad luck, that its hard to not empathise with them. This is what ultimately lead to Eric's post-death Face–Heel Turn; he'd suffered no matter how much he tried to improve his character, and just as he died he regretted the effort, and so when revived gladly betrayed the heroes.
  • Memetic Loser: No matter how many writers manage to make him genuinely badass, Ant-Man will forever be known as the lame guy that hit his wife that one time and there will still be fans to mock his apparently useless powers, regardless of his portrayals in current comics or the existence of the much more useful Giant-Man. Even before the "slap", Hank had a reputation among fans for being a useless Avenger and was mocked in the comics for being a house husband who was overshadowed by his more charismatic wife and who was known if at all, as the "creator of Ultron". The current series has an interesting take on this. It goes out of its way to prove how capable and intelligent Scott actually is, but only occasionally has him win his fights, and has him treated horribly by a bulk of the characters he bumps into. Though Scott Lang's more genial and good-natured personality helps him greatly in this regard.
  • Misaimed Fandom: Hank is a hero and he has undergone serious Character Development to make up for it but a section of his fanbase have displayed a tendency to downplay his behavior, as well as make excuses to make it appear that all he did was strike Janet once. And that the one time he did it is excusable because of undiagnosed mental issues, or Janet apparently forcing him into a marriage of Questionable Consent making it her fault. This ignores the context of the original story, namely that Hank was mentally sick long before he met Janet, that he latched on to Janet as a younger Doppelgänger Replacement Love Interest for his wife, and the fact that he would, and did, publicly and repeatedly, verbally belittle her constantly before their marriage and during their marriage. Furthermore, Hank's reaction after he slapped Janet was to remorselessly ask her to pick herself up and force him to participate in his crazy scheme (stage an attack on his fellow Avengers with a robot that would kill or injure them and only he can stop it), only feeling guilty when that scheme went south in an Epic Fail. Ultimately, while the breakdown was far more complex than it's commonly treated, this narrative of him being completely innocent is highly inaccurate, not to mention it does Hank a huge disservice by downplaying his attempts to improve himself and the resulting Character Development, namely when Hank over the course of 20 issues where he undergoes an epic Trauma Conga Line as a pawn to his Arch-Enemy Egghead, takes responsibility for his actions and refuses to make excuses for his actions, even admitting that the Avengers were right to court-martial him.
  • Narm: His original archenemy Egghead could never become a serious threat. No matter what he tried the writers just couldn't make a scientist with an egg-shaped head into a cool villain. It reached its zenith in his final appearance, where he basically went through the supervillain equivalent of a mid-life crisis.
  • Never Live It Down: Three things mainly:
    • Hank Pym's powers being useless and unimpressive, next to the Avengers (yeah even Hawkeye was seen as more useful than the shrinking guy). This was true well before the "slap" and his reputation among fandom as a Joke Character led in turn to his numerous personality changes to make himself a badass which also lent him a constant sense of insecurity that gave him a reputation as the screw-up Avenger.
    • Hank Pym being the creator of Ultron is another thing he's not able to help down. His most impressive invention and achievement as a scientist, creating an autonomous AI with its own personality, ultimately led to the creation of a mass-murdering Robotic Psychopath who is one of the greatest villains of the Marvel Universe. Of course it also led to Vision, who is one of the great heroes of the Marvel Universe, but Ultron's body count tends to dwarf that small positive.
    • Hank Pym slapping Janet and being a terrible husband. In Avengers #211-212, Hank suffered a mental breakdown–induced Face–Heel Turn, which included him murdering several of his former enemies and releasing murderous robots on New York so he could look like a hero when he defeated them. When Jan tried to stop him, he struck her and then remorselessly forced her to participate in a scheme only to be shamed when that scheme failed and Janet saved his life anyway, after which she divorced him. The majority of both writers and fans alike ignore the rest of the story, namely that Hank took responsibility for his actions and spent decades in comics continuity reforming and improving himself, and that he and Janet even dated again years after that. The fact that comics writers universally consider this story to be Hank's best and most defining moment makes it hard for Hank to really move past it.
  • Older Than They Think: A lot of the stuff about Hank Pym being a Butt-Monkey and Memetic Loser which many see as a result of "the slap" are much older than that. Hank Pym had always had issues about being Overshadowed by Awesome, he was also not a regular active Avenger as much as Janet was, and while the Wasp remained a fixture of Avengers adventures, Henry Pym was Demoted to Extra being a "house husband" and rarely appearing in comics at the time, and that their relationship was very messed up even before the dissolution to the marriage. As Jim Shooter pointed out:
    Jim Shooter: Before I embarked on the storyline that led to the end of Hank Pym and Janet van Dyne's marriage, I reread every single appearance of both characters. His history was largely a litany of failure, always changing guises and switching back and forth from research to hero-ing because he wasn’t succeeding at either. He was never the Avenger who saved the day at the end and usually the first knocked out or captured. His most notable "achievement" in the lab was creating Ultron. Meanwhile, his rich, beautiful wife succeeded in everything she tried. She was also always flitting around his shoulders, flirting, saying things to prop up his ego.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap:
    • Eric was rescued from being a Base-Breaking Character during Dark Reign thanks to his character development being completed, thus changing him from a deliberately unsympathetic asshole to a Lovable Rogue with a Hidden Heart of Gold.
    • For Hank fans, Scott Lang seems to be in the process of this thanks to Matt Fraction's FF run and Nick Spencer's Ant-Man run.
  • Ron the Death Eater: There are sadly plenty of people who label Hank Pym as a misogynist wife-beater because he slapped his wife in the middle of a drug-induced psychotic break. Even though the circumstances make it clear that this was an exceptional thing and not a regular occurrence in that relationship and he regrets what he did to this day, he's considered irredeemable for something that wasn't even his fault. Bear in mind that Peter Parker and Reed Richards have both had similar incidents previously without it tarnishing their reputationsnote .
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Some have claimed this about the 2015 run. While its gotten positive reception, fans of the Young Avengers and Cassie Lang really dislike the treatment her character has been given, as many felt it would have been a lot more interesting if instead she continued to be an active hero, working alongside Scott as a father/daughter team.
    • However, "Astonishing Ant-Man #6" has Cassie getting her powers back.
  • The Woobie: Hank Pym and Scott Lang both.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Veronica knew that Eric was a sleaze and a liar despite this she still believed his lie about Chris cheating on her. She doesn’t even have the excuse of her grief over Chris’ death as the lie happened before that. From there she continued to fall for his lines ignoring all past associations with him even after confronting the woman who Chris was supposedly sleeping with she still didn’t see the obvious until Eric came right out and said it. All in all while you do feel sorry for her for being taken advantage of by Eric like that. The narrative tries to paint her as a victim. Unfortunately what ultimately happened to her come across as the consequence of holding such a huge Idiot Ball for so long.

    The Film 
  • Accidental Aesop: Scott's difficulties in getting a job after leaving prison, the unhelpful attitudes of his ex-wife and her new boyfriend and him subsequently resorting to doing One Last Job can be interpreted as a condemnation of the American Criminal Justice System, which puts almost no effort into rehabilitating and reforming the people in its prisons, as well as the thoughtlessly counterproductive stigma that society puts on criminals who otherwise did their time.
  • Alternate Character Interpretation:
    • The film and its characters aren't entirely sure what Scott Lang's problem actually is.
      • The crime he's actually guilty of (after a failed whistleblowing attempt cost him his job, he decided to take matters into his own hands Just Like Robin Hood — aaand took a punitive heist a little too far) would suggest he's noble but impulsive and has a taste for frat-boy hijinks. This element of his personality is consistent: in Captain America: Civil War he gets involved in the airport fight just so he can shake hands with Captain America, while Ant-Man and the Wasp, he defends his actions by claiming he was told Cap needed help and subsequently Jumped at the Call.
      • His ex-wife and her new boyfriend have come to the conclusion that he's a merely "a crook," have completely cut ties with him, and offer him and his plight responses that border on No Sympathy. The film is ambiguous about whether they have any genuine interest in seeing him reform; Maggie encourages him to be the hero his daughter already sees him as, but she and Paxton don't offer him any way to help with that, which is what drives him back to crime and puts him on course to burgling Hank's house. That being said, they do accept him into their and Cassie's lives after he saves her from Yellowjacket.
      • Luis is convinced he's a big-shot burglar who enjoys targeting anyone who happens to be wealthy but pretends otherwise. This is mostly because Luis runs a team of small-time burglars who enjoy targeting anyone who happens to be wealthy — and he believes Scott's talents are their ticket to the big leagues.
      • Finally, Hank is implied to have the most in-depth knowledge of Scott, having surveilled him for years; He believes Scott is an inherently noble man with great skills who keeps doing stupid Robin Hood crap because he's too impatient to let the system work — and the entire reason he picks Scott as his successor is because he agrees that the system can be corrupt or simply act too slowly. He still thinks Scott is waaay too impulsive, however.
      • And lastly, Scott himself seems to think he's the most expendable man on the planet. In addition to his Robin Hood hijinks he repeatedly puts himself in the most danger possible just to give others even half a chance. He doesn't even question that the world would be better off without him.
    • Hank Pym's reasons not to want Hope to wear a shrinking suit. Was he really just worried that he'd lose her like he lost Janet or was he also afraid she'd give the suit and the Pym particles to Cross like she gave Pym Industries?
  • And You Thought It Would Fail: The film was expected to be the MCU's first ever critical and/or box office failure, mostly due to its infamously Troubled Production, the character's obscurity and hard-to-sell concept, and Peyton Reed's mixed track record with previous films. It was revealed later that the movie was considered such a long shot even within Marvel Studios that they didn't bother to sign Michael Douglas to a multi-picture contract (as is standard with Marvel actors), and it took several more months after the film's release to get him to do so. Once again though, doomsayers' predictions didn't come to pass, and the film was well received when it came out — while its opening weekend is the second-lowest for an MCU movie (behind The Incredible Hulk), it made its budget back very fast, being the #1 film at the U.S. box office over its first two weeks (beating out Minions on its second weekend and Pixels on its first) and staying strong worldwide for a total gross of $519 million. The movie was successful enough to get a sequel in Phase Three, namely Ant-Man and the Wasp. Between Guardians of the Galaxy and this, it just proves what comic fans have known for decades: never bet against Marvel.
  • Anvilicious: The Yellowjacket promo presented by Cross is extremely unsubtle about its potential as a weapon of terror for sabotage and assassination, even showing the targets to be within Western cities, and criticize how modern surveillance restricts such acts. Justified as one of the invited prospective buyers was a representative for HYDRA.
  • Author's Saving Throw:
    • Early on, people were confused by the fact that someone as old as Michael Douglas was cast as Hank Pym, and that Scott Lang seemingly was the first person to don the Ant-Man suit in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It was later confirmed that Hank was the original Ant-Man in the MCU back in the '60s through the '80s, and that he was a founding member of the early Avengers Initiative with Janet. He's been given an Age Lift in contrast to the Avengers' generation, and is now retired; this gives a good in-story reason for Scott to succeed him.
    • Early on there were fears that Wasp would be left out of the movie, due to early promotional materials simply listing Janet as believed dead. This turned out to not be the case and it was confirmed that Janet was the Wasp back in the '60s through the '80s. Kevin Feige mended this further by confirming that Wasp will appear in the movie and will be seen in the future MCU movies after Evangeline Lilly signed a multi-picture contract with Marvel.
    • Those who complained about Falcon being underused in Avengers: Age of Ultron should be fairly pleased to know that he appears in this movie and gets into a skirmish with the title hero.
    • The sequel's title (Ant-Man and the Wasp) as well as Peyton Reed's statements that Hope would be more than a side character seem directed at criticism of the MCU's lack of female characters, particularly the fans who thought that there was no reason other than sexism for Scott to be the protagonist of the first film instead of Hope, and those upset that Captain Marvel was pushed back to accommodate the sequel.
  • Creepy Cute: The sharp-toothed teddy bear Scott gives his daughter for her birthday early in the film. Amusingly, she's FAR more enthusiastic about the "Creepy" part.
    Cassie: He's sooo ugly... I LOVE HIM! [squees]
  • Crosses the Line Twice: This hilariously dark line from Luis after he picks up Scott from prison, with a wide smile plastered on his face the whole time:
    Scott: Hey, how's your girl, man?
    Luis: Uh, she left me.
    Scott: Oh.
    Luis: Yeah, my mom died, too. And my dad got deported. [brightly] But I got the van!
  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
    • Michael Peña's performance as Luis has been one of the most heavily lauded by critics, even the ones that didn't particularly enjoy the movie.
      Kristy Puchko: You want proof that opening up Marvel movies to diversity makes for better movies? Look no further than the casting of Peña as a very atypical thief, who has equal enthusiasm for stealing smoothie machines as he does Belgian waffles, wine tastings and abstract art.
    • Ant #247, nicknamed "Ant-thony." More than a few people were sad when she was killed.
    • Fans are also rather fond of Cassie for being an utterly adorable little Nightmare Fetishist, and for her potential to grow up into Stature.
    • Dave, for his funny expressions, great lines, and being played by T.I.
  • Evil Is Cool: Darren Cross AKA Yellowjacket certainly is this in just appearance alone, with a badass-looking suit that rivals even the one used by Ant-Man. Being played by Corey Stoll helps as well. While Cross was never a big-name villain in the comics, this portrayal of the character (an Evil Counterpart to Ant-Man in the original Yellowjacket suit) became so well-received that Marvel started incorporating this version's costume and character traits into the comics version.
  • Fanfic Fuel: Hank's escapades as the original Ant-Man are largely left to our imaginations.
  • Fandom Rivalry:
    • A bizarrely one-sided one with fans of Black Widow. Widow's fans desperately want her to have a solo movie in the MCU and have chosen Ant-Man as a designated punching bag for the crime of not being Black Widow (which was exacerbated when Edgar Wright left the project and the search for a new director began, whereas Widow didn't have a movie), despite the fact this film was in works before they even introduced Black Widow.
    • And now there's one with Captain Marvel, which got pushed back to make room for Ant-Man and the Wasp. Fans looking forward to the MCU's first female superhero (and who were already mad that her debut film had been pushed back for Spider-Man: Homecoming) were incensed that her film was being pushed back again to accommodate this film's sequel.
  • "Funny Aneurysm" Moment:
    • During the briefcase fight scene, Darren accidentally causes an iPhone to play "Disintegration" by The Cure when he makes a threat to disintegrate Scott. Cue the films Avengers: Infinity War and Ant-Man and the Wasp, where the former has Thanos using a Badass Fingersnap with the Infinity Gauntlet to turn half of all lifeforms into ash, and the latter revealing in its stinger that Hank, Hope and a recently rescued Janet were some of those unfortunate victims.
    • Going subatomic is treated as a very serious situation and nearly impossible to undo. In the mobile game Marvel Strike Force, Ant-Man can shrink his opponents out of existence for a Finishing Move.
  • Genius Bonus: Longtime comic book fans will probably realize that the Quantum Realm that Scott enters when he shrinks to vanishing point as the Wasp did is also known as the Microverse in the comics. Shrinking is the primary method of entering the Microverse. This means that there is a very good chance that Wasp is still alive and that a sequel might feature an appearance by certain characters from this particular Marvel comic.
  • Germans Love David Hasselhoff: While moderately successful in the U.S. compared to other Marvel movies, it was huge in China, having the second biggest opening weekend there for a Disney and Marvel movie, helping it cross the $500 million mark in global box office.
  • Harsher in Hindsight:
    • Scott confiding in Hope that he feels Hank is sending him (rather than her) on a dangerous mission because Hank is unwilling to risk the lives of his own family. Come The Stinger of Ant-Man and the Wasp, Scott winds up surviving the Badass Fingersnap of Avengers: Infinity War (while on a dangerous mission, no less) while the entire Pym/Van Dyne family perishes, Hope included.
    • In this film's 1989 prologue, Hank Pym remarks that Howard Stark's attempt to replicate his Pym Particles was incredibly poor, and that no one will get the formula for them so long as he lives. In Avengers: Endgame, a past version of Thanos is able to get his hands on the Pym Particles through capturing Nebula, and successfully reverse-engineers them to get himself to the future and nearly wipe out the whole universe. This also all happens after Hank had already been dusted by the current version of Thanos.
  • He Panned It, Now He Sucks!: A bizarre case where the movie wasn't even panned, as childhood Marvel fanboy George R. R. Martin got quite a few people on his case for saying he'd long since gotten bored of superheroes and villains having the same powers, despite otherwise loving the film (and he'd earlier complained about Ant-Man not being a founding Avengers member like in the comics). It can be read here.
  • He's Just Hiding!: The news that Janet would be depicted as The Lost Lenore for Hank has prompted some fan theories that she's alive and stuck in the Microverse or something similar, like what happened to her in the comics. This turns out to be the case, and Scott ends up in a similar situation and manages to get out (before which, there's a blink-and-you-miss-it shot of what appears to be a female silhouette with bug-like wings as Scott falls through the Quantum Realm), prompting Hank to continue looking for ways to save her. The sequel follows up on Hank and Hope's attempts to find out if this is true, and lo and behold...
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • There is a reference to Spider-Man in the dialogue. While many interpreted it as being a lead-in to the character in the same way that Doctor Strange was mentioned in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Kevin Feige asserts that the line was written before Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures worked out a deal to include the character. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. had a similar reference in its pilot, long before Spider-Man could appear in the MCU.
    • Cross's mooks shooting at Ant-Man while he is running through Cross' miniature model of the building feels like a Zoolander reference. The title for this section of the score? "Center For Ants." And then, the first trailer for Zoolander 2 played in front of some US screenings of Ant-Man.
    • The Falcon's line "It's really important to me that Cap never finds out about this" became this after Ant-Man outgrossed the first Captain America movie.
    • Someone with advanced tech who has an animal themed alias and a grudge against Tony Stark played by an actor named Michael Douglas...are we talking about Hank Pym/the first Ant Man, or Adrian Toomes/The Vulturenote ?
    • At one point while being tossed around while shrunken down for the first time, Scott ends up encountering a rat that nearly ends him seconds after falling through the floorboards. Rodents would later end up saving Scott's life in Avengers: Endgame, as he only makes it out of the Quantum Realm because a different rat ends up hitting the right buttons to reactivate the Quantum Tunnel in his van where he was stuck.
    • Luis' Establishing Character Moment has him tell Scott that despite the break-up with his girlfriend, the death of his mother, and the deportation of his father, he still had his van. Cue Avengers: Endgame, where the Final Battle has Thanos throws a double-edged sword at the Quantum Realm teleporter housed inside that van, blowing the vehicle up. Could also be seen as "Funny Aneurysm" Moment.
    • In the climax, Darren Cross asks Scott “Did think you could stop the future WITH A HEIST?!”. In Avengers End Game Scott (and the Avengers) do just that.
    • This is not the first time Paul Rudd has acted in a movie where a down on his luck father is trying to keep seeing his children while their mother has remarried, and has an antagonistic relationship with the stepfather. This time however he gets to be the father instead of the stepfather.
  • Ho Yay:
    • Cross' question to Pym "Why did you push me away?" sounds more like a spurned lover than a fired assistant.
    • When Cassie says, "I want my daddy!", Cross answers, "I want your daddy too."
  • It's the Same, Now It Sucks!: One of the biggest criticisms of the movie was how similar it feels to past Marvel films, with many critics comparing it to the first Iron Man. As a result, Ant-Man and Doctor Strange (2016) are frequently used as the go-to examples whenever detractors talk about how formulaic many of the MCU films supposedly are.
  • Jerkass Woobie: As much of a jerk as Cross/Yellowjacket is, the movie outright states that he's slowly being driven mad by overexposure to Pym Particles, which may be causing his villainous turn.
  • Just Here for Godzilla:
    • People who aren't sold on the idea of a film starring Ant-Man are at least interested seeing what Peggy Carter and Falcon will be doing in the movie.
    • Others are also interested in watching the movie just for the The Stinger after rumors came out that it would feature Captain America and/or Bucky.
    • Thirdly, some are interested in the film for being the first in the MCU to reference Spider-Man, albeit indirectly.
    • After it was confirmed that the film sets up Hope to become the new Wasp in future movies, some fans of Wasp expressed a renewed desire to see the movie. And, for those who don't like the idea of Hope becoming Wasp and want Janet instead, the fact Janet might still be savable, and this being a topic that the director is interested in exploring, definitely helps matters.
    • Many fans of the Young Avengers were only interested for the MCU introduction of Cassie Lang, AKA Stature.
  • Memetic Badass: Baskin-Robbins. They always find out.
  • Memetic Mutation: See here.
  • Mis-blamed: When Edgar Wright left the project, response from fans was that this movie could only fail now. When three actors left the production, fans suggested they were somehow "standing with Wright" in protest (of which there is zero proof). Once the trailers hit, and especially once the film was released, several nay-sayers both claimed the film wasn't nearly as funny as it would have been had Wright's script been used, and also claimed that any scene that did succeed as being funny must have been pulled from the script written by Wright. In fact, quite a bit of Wright's script remained intact, meaning that most of the "not-funny" stuff was actually his idea, not to mention that not all of the actually funny stuff credited to Wright, such as Luis's rambling description of his burglary tips, actually came from him (Luis's tips were written by director Peyton Reed and screenwriter Adam McKay).
    • Fans blamed Kevin Feige for the Executive Meddling of the film that resulted in Wright leaving the film. In actual fact, it was Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter and the Creative Committee (Joe Quesada, Alan Fine, Dan Buckley and Brian Michael Bendis) who were responsible for the meddling.
    • Feige is also often blamed for what happened to Janet Van Dyne, with her Demoted to Extra status compared to the larger MCU being blamed largely on him by her fans. This is despite the fact that she was initially slated to be part of the original Avengers line-up (which obviously he would have selected or approved of), and it was actually Edgar Wright who requested she get pulled (alongside Hank Pym) because he wanted to be the one to introduce the Ant-Man family. Reportedly, he didn't actually plan to use Janet, but just didn't want her being in the Avengers as it would conflict with his plans for Hank and Hope's backstory. The end-result, with Janet appearing in a flashback, were actually attempts by Peyton Reed to mitigate this by giving her a larger role than what was planned by Wright.
  • Moral Event Horizon: Darren Cross intending to sell his Yellowjacket suits to HYDRA. While he was already a Bad Boss and has no qualms of killing his men to get Scott, the fact that Cross is going to sell his technology to a high-profile terrorist organization that attempted to murder millions of people shows that he crossed it. Even before this, it's clear there's no redeeming him after he murders a guy and flushes his shrunken remains down the toilet. This shows just how dangerous his reach can be.
  • MST3K Mantra: Thanks to this movie's heavy and flexible use of real-world physics concepts to explain size differences and how it relates to their physical properties, it's best to take a dose of this lest you find yourself questioning all the inconsistencies that arise.
  • Narm:
    • Hope's implicit outrage at Cross for using a lamb for animal experimentation instead of lab mice. Because risking the life of one species of animal for science is perfectly fine, but another species is eeeeeevil. And the close-up of the lamb's silly facial expression is just hilarious.
    • The European Spanish voice actress for Cassie Lang. As she was a child as well, her acting chops in the dub ended up being inconsistent to say the least.
  • Narm Charm:
    • So much should be narm but ends up charming. The villain laughing over his tiny lamb? Engaging. An ant hit by a bullet? A bit heart pully. Using an old shrunk down tank to escape an imploding building? Badass.
    • Adding sugar to coffee has rarely been so gripping.
    • This movie had the gall to actually use "why don't you pick on someone your own size?" as a Pre Ass Kicking One Liner. But not only is it highly appropriate for an Ant-Man movie, it's also being spoken in an already self-aware superhero comedy and precedes a pretty damn awesome and creative final fight scene.
  • Older Than They Think:
    • Many people assumed that Hope Pym is a Canon Foreigner. In actuality, the character originates from the Marvel Comics 2 universe.
    • Also the idea of Hank Pym being a widower; in the mainstream continuity he lost his first wife during the Cold War.
    • A lot of people are complaining that Wasp's costume in the flashback is basically Ant-Man's costume with wings. Her original costume has many similarities to Ant-Man's original costume, including the color scheme, spare Pym Particles on her belt, and a bug-like helmet. In fact, given the inverted colors on the Ant-Man suit in the movie, Wasp's costume in the movie looks even more like her original than his!
  • One-Scene Wonder: Peggy Carter and Howard Stark, who appear in the opening scene set in 1989.
  • Paranoia Fuel:
    • At the beginning of the movie, Cross shows his associates a virtual simulation of what the Yellowjacket could be used for as a weapon. Some examples shown in the simulation include using the suit to sabotage vehicles from the inside, or assassinating people by sending a single Yellowjacket hidden inside a wallet.
    • Parodied with Baskin-Robbins: They always find out.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: This is perhaps Hank Pym's best media portrayal since The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes!. While his age lift was a concern for some, his portrayal as a subtle Crazy Awesome Retired Badass has won people over and that his usual negative portrayal is either downplayed (his difficulty with people is more of a sympathetic flaw rather than making him a jerkass) or entirely non-existent (there is no mention of his rather infamous moment at all). It helps that he was portrayed by Michael Douglas as well.
  • Spiritual Adaptation: The heist scene at Pym Tech is probably the closest thing we get to a live-action Pikmin movie.
  • Strangled by the Red String: Scott and Hope's make-out session at the end comes a bit out of nowhere. Since they had no romantic build up through the movie and only began to respect each other towards the end, it felt very much in the vein of "They're the lead male and female, and that's the law." Hank even lampshades the out-of-nowhere nature of their make out session when he walks in on them.
  • Take That, Scrappy!: Possibly the reason behind the use of Pym's Yellowjacket alias for a villain. Considering the identity is infamous as the one he was using when he hit his wife in the comics, and the point where his character Took a Level in Jerkass in Earth's Mightiest Heroes, it's hard to believe this choice was a coincidence.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!:
    • There are a lot of fans outraged over the fact the movie is about Scott Lang, the second Ant-Man, and not Hank Pym, the original Ant-Man. The fans were also not pleased towards the fact that Pym appeared in the movie with a massive Age Lift.
    • A lot of fans are displeased with how the Wasp suit used by Janet van Dyne in the flashbacks looks essentially like the Ant-Man one except with wings. Although with the new Wasp suit shown during the mid-credits scene being different, some people are more forgiving about it. It also is the original Wasp costume.
  • They Copied It, So It Sucks!: A common criticism of the film is that it plays out a little too similarly to the first Iron Man film for its own good. We have a hero with a potentially world-changing suit of armor which he uses for his own missions but refuses to share, and an old associate of his whose goal is to build his own, more heavily armed version of the suit and sell copies to a terrorist organization. Both villains are bald, break into their enemy's homes to attempt to murder them, and end up being defeated because they don't understand how to properly utilize the technology that they steal or replicate. This was noted by Honest Trailers in their Honest Trailer for the film, even nicknaming it "Tiny Iron Man".
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Janet, a founding member of the Avengers in the comics, apparently has a Death by Adaptation in a flashback. Needless to say fans of her are not happy, though it's implied that she could be saved.
  • Ugly Cute: All of the ants, especially Ant-thony. Also, the giant ant Cassie gets as a pet in the end.
    • Also, the toy bunny Scott gives to Cassie as a birthday gift, which honestly looks like that guy in the Easter Bunny costume you see in the Accidental Nightmare Fuel page.
      Cassie: He's so ugly! I love him!
  • Unexpected Character:
    • Few were expecting the Ant-Man movie to get off the ground after years of Development Hell; by the time it arrived, the superhero was considered an unexpected pick for the Marvel Cinematic Universe since the Avengers were formed without him.
    • Furthermore, the choice of which Ant-Man would star definitely caught some people off-guard. Hank Pym, the original Ant-Man, who is a long-serving Avenger with a rich historical background in the comics, is a supporting character and a mentor here to Scott Lang, the second Ant-Man. While less controversial, Scott was also a lot less famous and involved with the comic book universe than Hank, at least before this movie.
    • In the film itself there's Hope van Dyne, who goes by Red Queen (Hope Pym) in the Marvel Comics 2 universe.
    • The use of Darren Cross, a character who appeared in one issue before dying, as the Big Bad.
    • Falcon appears late into the film.
    • Actor-wise, John Slattery reprising as Howard Stark from Iron Man 2, after the audience has grown accustomed to Dominic Cooper (if a fan of Agent Carter).
    • More so an organization than a person, but equally unexpected, HYDRA's involvement with Cross dramatically increases the stakes of the movie.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Hope Pym comes under this, by resenting her father for keeping her from lethal technology. Marvel has a record of fractured families and Hank Pym was too busy grieving to care for his daughter, but still to not see your scientist dad's point about the dangers of tech he pioneered is high-rate stubbornness.
    • Doctor Pym can be seen as this in the first half of the movie due to the above. He abandoned his daughter for two weeks after his wife died even though Hope was also grieving and she was only seven, then promptly shipped her off to boarding school, refused to tell her how her mother died, and shut her out of his life. While Hope was wrong to side with Cross and vote him out of his own company, when she realized her mistake she came back to help him make things right, only for him to once again shut her out and ignore her obvious qualifications in order to mentor a barely qualified stranger. And then he had gall to complain that his daughter no longer sees him as a hero when he's given her no reason to see him that way. (Not helped is the fact that he openly admits he only mentored people like Darren and Scott is because he saw himself in them, and he can come across as more self-centered than the filmmakers intended.)
  • Visual Effects of Awesome: See here.
  • Wangst: Hope's attitude towards her father throughout the film (up until the very ending) could come across as such.
  • What an Idiot!: Played for Laughs by that one customer of Scott's who comes to Baskin-Robbins and keeps asking for hot food. Scott gets so frustrated with this that he flat-out calls him an idiot right to a fellow employee right in front of him.
  • Win the Crowd:
    • The teaser trailer and the reveal of Ant-Man's cool new design won over a lot of people who were doubtful about the film.
    • The first main trailer did an even better job at this. The cool action sequences, amazing effects and humor received some very positive feedback.
  • The Woobie:
    • Hank Pym had to raise Hope on his own because his wife, Janet Van Dyne, died some time ago. Worse, Hope is in a strained relationship with him and allied with Darren Cross some time ago to take over Pym Technologies, shutting Hank out of his own company.
    • Scott has suffered through a difficult divorce and custody battle, just like his mainstream counterpart.
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