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  • Broken Base: Their hardcore punk early albums vs. their later goth rock based "emo" albums. Also, Davey Havok's more feminine vocal style to compensate for his aged vocal cords seems to be the subject for quite ugly debates in Youtube comments. Sing the Sorrow is still the usual point where the fanbase splits, though it still has quite a few fans (and people who are nostalgic for it), and Decemberunderground is where the gulf really widened: depending on who you ask, it's either where they truly found their new sound and made a necessary evolution, or the point where they demonstrated that money was all they cared about and the MySpace Emo Teen market was their new target demographic.
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  • Fan Community Nickname: The Despair Faction
  • Ho Yay: They love making suggestive jokes during interviews. Davey also tends to be rather publicly affectionate with his male friends compared to most other straight guys.
  • It's Popular, Now It Sucks!: Their major-label debut coincided with a major change in sound. Overlaps with They Changed It, Now It Sucks! below.
  • Loudness War: Burials has got to be their least earphones-friendly track. There are lots of complex background parts, especially in songs' choruses, not one of which is quiet or calm. The mix is a little bit messy.
  • Nightmare Fuel: The spoken word hidden track at the end of Sing the Sorrow.
    Creepy Child: It was empty on the edge of town, but we knew everyone floated along the bottom of the river.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: Given the fact that their sound from the beginning of their career to the present day has pretty much completely changed (even consecutive albums can sound substantially different,) it's to be expected that a fan of a particular album might not like all or any of the others. See It's Popular, Now It Sucks!.
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  • True Art Is Angsty
  • True Art Is Incomprehensible: Try to figure out what their short film Clandestine is about. Just try.


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