Before the black hole scene and after the montage, when Jim asks how Silver became a Cyborg, Silver replies with (while looking sad), "You give up a few things, chasing a dream." In the previous montage, we saw that Jim's dad left (or gave up) his family to leave for an unknown reason. Maybe Silver is referencing that. If Jim's dad left for the space Navy, that could make sense, as he may have been space-ship-wrecked, marooned, or may have mutinied the captain of a ship he was posted on (giving up his old life for his own ambitions). This could also explain how he lost some of his limbs.
During the ship's mutiny/takeover after the funny scene with Morph messing with Jim, Silver doesn't have the guts to shoot Jim, even after he stabbed his mechanical leg with a screwdriver. Silver is also sort of patient when trying to get Jim to reveal where the map leads. (You know, "We'll take them all!"). What happened to "take the boy, leave the others"? Again, not much proof. Silver admits that Treasure Planet's loot was a lifelong obsession, yet he still saved Jim when he was about to die. You don't just save a person you don't know/just met when you are about to reach an ambition!
Finally, during the scene where Silver and Jim say their last goodbyes, Silver gives Jim Morph, but most strangely (to me), he gives him a bunch of treasure from Treasure Planet and says "Oh, this is for yer mum, to rebuild that inn of hers!" This is one of the stronger supporters, as he didn't encounter Jim and his mom at their tavern, so how would he know his mom owns it and that he was connected to the destroyed tavern? The map, maybe, but that doesn't explain how he knows his MOM owns it and not another family member like a uncle, sibling, etc.
I hope you guys at reddit like my theory, as I didn't find any other people with it"
- — A reddit user.
- Two things: 1. Silver is an alien and therefore is unlikely to be able to interbreed with humans. 2. There was a whole montage of Jim and Silver bonding. It's entirely possible he told Silver about his mom during that montage. Furthermore, there is no possible way that Jim's dad from the flashback(s) and Silver are the same person.
- Also, smaller point, but Jim isn't just "a person Silver didn't know/just met." They've spent months together by that point.
Disregarding how eerily similar the characters, settings and plots are, Earth having been destroyed and humans being scattered across the galaxy would totally explain why Jim and his mom are the only humans we see in Treasure Planet at all. And not on Earth.
- Doesn't the tech in each respective movie seem too different to be from the same universe?
Consider the above... and think about it. It just fits too well.
- Probably Jossed in that Jim's father's name is listed as Leland Hawkins in the artbook. Unless he changed his name at some point.
How the ships get across the galaxy so fast is because they use off-screen Mass Relays to get around. And doesn't Captain Flint look like a cross between a turian◊ and a yahg◊? Also, several other aliens in Treasure planet look like strange salarians and hanar, so it could happen thousands of years after Mass Effect 3.
—How does one explain the whole breathing in space thing?
The transhumantastic ending to Mass Effect 3?
- Again I must ask, Doesn't the tech in each respective universe seem too different to be from the same universe? I think it would make more sense for Titan A.E. and Mass Effect to take place in the same universe. Heck, doesn't Chowkin look like a Mass Effect character?
...Hm. I've just written a messy outline for a fanfic, haven't I?
- Oh hell yes. Permission to use, given time to finish what I've got?
- Tell me, good sir, have you ever heard of a thing called "Spaghettification"? Yes, that's an actual, technical term in science. You see, near a black hole, the gravity gets so strong so quickly that it's significantly heavier closer to the black hole than further away. The result is that anyone who is entering a black hole WILL BE STRETCHED APART BY TIDAL FORCES. Nobody deserves that fate. DEFINITELY not somebody as awesome as Mr. Arrow. Face it, Scroop was a terrible being. Also, remember that he tried to kill Jim just for talking back.
- Except the other half of the rope was actually missing, so it didn't look like it broke, it came undone.
- And Mr. Arrow was not a dick he was a badass who didn't put up with anybody's shit! Scroop killing him in such a cold and heartless way was just plain evil.
- Dogs and cats? Living TOGETHER?! Mass hysteria...
- Just like any other recent marriage.
- It actually makes more sense if you consider that one is male and the other is female - that's just how males and females are different on their planet. When they have babies there is no obvious mix of features like there sometimes is with hybrids.
- Well, Silver's supposed to be more ursine.
- Doppler and Silver do look similar enough to be the same species. Sure, Silver is big and burly and Doppler is skinny, but they aren't more different than, say, two humans.
- Unfortunately, the air would depressurize in milliseconds in that circumstance, so it doesn't work unless you postulate that the air moves much more sluggishly than it does on Earth, in which case you have to wonder how people are able to breathe....
- maybe there is just a MASSIVE amount of air?
- Because it is just too awesome for one story to handle.
- Considering what is known of the Forerunners in the Halo universe, its entirely possible. After all, artificial planets and massive cross-space portals are both mentioned and actually seen in both the Halo books and the games. As well as the known fact that the Forerunners explored other universes besides their own. Not to mention Jim, a human, is the only one who seems to be able to operate the map. Just like the Halo rings themselves, the Ark, and the fleet of ships inside the Shield World from Halo Wars.
- The reasoning here is quite loose. Morph is actually much more like Ditto from Pokemon. In fact, Morph is the parrot of Treasure Planet.
- That or the Galactic Federation is still fine, but the movie happens to take place in a poverty-ridden and piratical backwater of the galaxy. Think of the Inner versus Outer planets in Firefly.
- Alternate idea: this movie is set today and not in the future, and the "humans" we see are just E.T. who by pure chance look just like earth humans. Like in "Star Wars", for instance. And, not totally incompatible with the previous idea: they may very well be in the same universe as Lilo and Stitch.
- All of the pirates? This troper remembers John Silver being the only pirate that tries to open it, and the reason why he can't is likely due to his cyborg arm. Also, Doppler never once tried to figure out. He merely mentioned that it would probably take him years and years to figure it out.
- Before the Legacy's gravity generator was first activated at the spaceport, there were several ships above that drew the Legacy crew off of their deck with their own combined artificial gravities.
- Conversely, there could be something about that miraculous engine core that repels people and objects from it when it's charging.
- Similar, the tech of the ship not only has some kind of oxygen generator, but something keeps it close to the ship... kind of like being in a fishbowl. The same for the lifeboats, but much smaller. This is so much more logical than 'Space Air.'
- Half-confirmed. A sequel was planned, and Jim would have had a love interest.
- According to the creators Silver is supposed to be a bear-like alien similar to how Delbert and Amelia resemble dogs and cats, respectively. That would explain the claws and ear. Speaking of which, I'm not sure I want to know how he lost the other one.
- Jim is unusually short for a guy his age. While height in humans is influenced by a multitude of things, testosterone is one of them, meaning that on average, males are taller than females. Meaning a lot of trans guys are on the shorter side.
- Jim tends to wear baggy clothes. Wearing baggy clothing to hide secondary sex characteristics is a practice used by a lot of trans people prior to transitioning.
- Jim's middle name is Pleiades. Pleades is a star cluster in Taurus which s sometimes referred to as the seven sisters. A name like that sounds weird on a boy, but it would make sense if it was given to a female child that later turns out to identify as male. Why he still has the name is a little fluffy, maybe he hasn't been able to change his legal name yet due to wonky laws on Montressor?
- The lyrics in I'm Still Here can very much be hinting towards Jim's identity and how he percieves the world's attitude towards him based on that. Some would say that it's just a song about generic teenage angst, but combined with the above points it makes me think it means something more:
- "I'm a boy - no, I'm a man"
- "How can the world want me to change? They're the ones that stay the same"
- "They can't break me, as long as I know who I am"
- "They can't tell me who to be, 'cause I'm not what they see"
- "And their words are just whispers and lies that I'll never believe"
- If the above theory is correct and Silver is also a trans man, it'd explain why he got attached to Jim so quickly: he noticed a lot of things in Jim that Silver experienced in his youth as a trans guy, and made it clear to Jim that he knows what he's been through, and the two grew close to one another by relating to each others' experiences with identity.
- It'd also explain why Silver doesn't say Pleiades when calling Jim his full name when holding his speech to Jim: either Jim didn't tell anyone on the ship about his middle name because it makes him feel dysphoric, or Silver knew about Jim's middle name, but refrained from using it because he assumed it makes Jim feel dysphoric.
And before someone points out that there could have been people unable to escape the fire rather than there being no people at all... Well I prefer this as an alternative given Jim and Doppler's troubled, but not deeply troubled or stunned, reactions to the inn burning down.
Sarah's grief is understandable as she just lost a place she presumably raised up from the ground to where it is herself. Doppler seems to treat the scenario as just a building burning down and everyone came out okay (though he does display some sympathy and comfort to Sarah since she just lost a very valuable place to her), and Jim seems sad, but he's more focused on making his mom proud and making it up to her.
Honestly these reactions don't make much sense if there was people staying at the inn, so the conclusion drawn from this Wall of Text is that there was no one there besides themselves and the attacking pirates.
- Moreover, the people that were in the inn the day it was attacked are seen again at the end when it has been rebuilt, which seems to indicate that the above theory is right.
- Hey no one else has mentioned the similarities before.
Now, the TP Wiki's description of The Etherium is sparse at best, but it describes it as "a layer of space that contains breathable air, life, and small island like bodies that seem to float among the stars. Below this layer is an airless void, some Spacers don suits to explore, or mine this void though it's fairly certain no life dwells with in."
Though it may be out there, my proposal is this: The Ancient Culture that created Treasure Planet actually created it for an entirely different purpose than the one it serves in the movie. They created the planet as one of many "Terraforming Planets", meant to pump out a thick, viscous, but breathable atmosphere into space and contain it with a powerful forcefield, essentially creating a gas giant planet the size of the Milky Way, with its own ecosystems, solar systems within itself, planets inside this planet, and breathable air in a low gravity environment. This "airless void" that the Wiki speaks of is nothing more than outer space.
When Treasure Planet was destroyed, we don't see what happened to the surrounding atmosphere, so it's not unreasonable to assume that the atmosphere surrounding Treasure Planet collapsed after it was destroyed... And that would mean that even if the Legacy WAS able to clear the planet's explosion without being vaporized, they would instead die by asphyxiation as the Etherium around them is sucked away... Seems like the portal really was the only way to go.
The luminiferous aether was a theory that it was the medium through which light is carried (hence all of the wave-like behavior observed up to that point in history), but disproved in real life.