- Alternatively, especially if The Wheel really does go on forever, the Dark One has to get free at some point, and then eventually be resealed.
- The oddity about Aviendha's children is revealed to be that the children are born embracing the source, and hold it all the time naturally. They are also all human.
- Actually it never mentions that they all can. Also; four children, not five.
- Looking at it, Padan Fain has power over death, is definitely not human, and is super evil and super powered. Who is to say that, with the cyclical time, the Creator imprisoning the Dark One is not re-played through eternity using things that are more than human, the new incarnations of the Dragon and Mashadar?
- This ones fun, but seriously, it's pretty much set in stone that the Dark One can't be killed.
When Rand encountered her in the Cyndane body, he felt, among other things, lust. She's been chasing him for hundreds of years (not counting the thousands of years they both spent in limbo and Tel'Aran'Rhiod). It's unlikely that she will stay on the side of Shai'tan if someone frees her from the vacuole. Being beaten (or worse) to the brink of death and then healed in a place where time may have no meaning just might be what it takes to make her genuinely seek to change sides.
Her current circumstances also play into the "can't hurt a woman" sentiments that the three main characters cling to.
- We know that Rand has to die somehow to defeat the Shadow. We also know that he "must die in order to live" and have seen visions indicating mourning over his death when he is not precisely gone.
- We know Rand isn't powerful enough to beat the Dark One all by himself; the Dark One is basically Anti-God, and Rand is just a powerful human. But the Heroes of the Horn are invulnerable while called back, and seem to have other powers above their normal abilities. (Note Birgitte's arrow that sets the Seanchan ship aflame in her first appearance.)
- The Heroes are stated by Moiraine to follow whoever sounds the Horn, even a Darkfriend. But the Heroes themselves state that they cannot fight without the Dragon, and his banner, to lead them. This makes sense only if the Dragon is himself a Hero and would normally be called with the rest; it's only when he happens to be incarnate that this is an inconvenience. Otherwise, it would be essentially impossible to know the Heroes would follow whoever calls them.
- It should be noted here that while Moiraine can't lie, she can be wrong. It's possible that the Horn can only be used by whichever side the Dragon is on, only Moiraine doesn't know that.
- Interestingly enough, This theory pans out for other characters besides Rand: Noal and Birgitte are both summoned by the horn at a critical moment.
- It was instantaneous, he didn't have enough time to even try and defend himself.
- No traces of his body remained.
- Asmodean recognized the killer, and his last words were "You? NO!"
- According to RJ, it should have been obvious at the time the book was released (damn liar), which rules out a number of characters we had yet to meet, including Mazrim Taim, Moridin, Shaidar Haran, the gholam and Aran'gar/Osan'gar.
Additionally, Lanfear said in The Shadow Rising that she would kill Asmodean once she felt he had taught Rand enough. The docks incident would probably qualify as "enough". Of all the Forsaken, Lanfear was the one Asmodean feared the most, though Unreliable Narrator may be an issue (this was Lanfear telling Rand from what she saw in Asmo's dreams). Additionally, Asmodean was thinking to himself how happy he was that she was dead literally a few pages before getting torched. That would be easily enough to make a guy shout "You? NO!"
Of course, Lanfear happened to be in another dimension after getting tackled into it by Moiraine, but could have used her wish by the Finn to appear in the normal dimension to exact her revenge.
- Since Lanfear is re-incarnated by the Dark One, wouldn't that mean she died in the portal?
- The Finn exact a price for the wishes they grant. I have a theory about two of the wishes Lanfear may have had granted. One, she wanted to kill Asmodean, and the price was a reduction in her channeling ability. Two, she wanted to escape the Finn, so they killed her.
- Also, to answer a point many who decry the Lanfear theory make, how could she have killed him the very day she fell through the doorway: the Finn can read the thread of a human life, past present and future (or else they couldn't receive people's own memories of dying) and we know things work differently in Finnland (the laws of space, if nothing else). So why not the laws of time? Like the World of Dreams, time runs differently there, so they could have sent Lanfear back (for the duration of her wish) the very day she left. As to how she knew to go to Caemlyn, she could have asked around while in disguise, guessed Rand would go after Rahvin, or been told by the Finn.
- Now that is an interesting theory. Robert Jordan did say that Asmodean was dead, but I do not think he said he would stay dead. Asmodean himself will appear again near the end of the series and confirm himself it was Graendal that killed him!
- Word of God gave us the maths. Even the Choedan Kal balefire nuke would only reverse time by hours at most. Asmodean died months ago. If Graendal did it, and if she died at Natrin's Barrow, it still wouldn't bring Asmodean back.
- To be completely accurate Word of God says that with the Choedan Kal even the strongest channeler could undo events by a couple of days at best. Brandon Sanderson went on to say that longer periods would be theoretically possible but the damage to the pattern would be so great that it would simply unravel altogether. Very creative thinking but thoroughly Jossed.
- Well, Rand (who knew all the Forsaken as Lews Therin Telamon) believes that Moridin is Ishamael, though I suppose that could be a deliberate false lead on either the Dark One's or Moridin's part. Also, Asmodean died a traitor- why would the Dark One want him back, much less in a position of authority? He even seemed somewhat repentant at the end, while the DO has always favored the monster.
- Also, the Forsaken say that Moridin is as insane as he was in his old incarnation and thought Moridin believed he was the Dark Lord. Ishamael called himself Ba'alzamon and later books after his death have the Forsaken commenting on him, saying he actually believed this. However, Moridin showing up at the same time Asmodean died could mean he's the killer.
Note that, even as a Forsaken, Asmodean was not nearly as bad as the rest of the Forsaken - his only real atrocity was mutilation of artists (especially musicians and composers), whereas the rest undertook much grander acts of atrocity. Indeed, it is possible that Thom Merrilin was produced by the pattern because the soul of Joar Addam Nesossim was still in use elsewhere, when it was supposed to be available - note that Thom is also a musician who is likely to be a Hero after the events of the series. Another thing to note is that his final acts before death were somewhat honourable, suggesting that most of his evil behaviour were a result of his connection to the Dark One.
- The biggest problem with this is that something that's obviously sentient and extremely powerful is talking through Shayol Ghul and controlling Shaidair Haran. The Dark One at least has a personality, although I suppose it's possible that it/he started out as a nonsentient force of chaos and destruction but acquired a personality through interacting with humans (or, like Brandon Sanderson's shard gods, was a nonsentient force merged with a humanlike intelligence)...
- Read any part in the series where someone actually says his name.
- Doesn't explain how he knows the phrase "Let the Lord of Chaos Rule!", which so far as we know has only been said by the Dark One to the Forsaken, strongly suggesting Taim either is a Forsaken himself (probably Moridin, since Demandred's out) or at least has had contact with them- and his fondness for red and black decorating suggests, but doesn't confirm, a Moridin connection, since those are Moridin's colors. He's also clearly using a circle of Dreadlords and Myrddraal to turn Asha'man and Aes Sedai to the Shadow as of Towers of Midnight. Even if he's not a card-carrying Darkfriend, he's plainly working with them at the very least.
- That is...a rather fascinating possibility. And perhaps in support of it, recall the sigil of the gauntlet clutching the lightning bolt which we see Taim using in the Black Tower—while that also appeared on the back of Sammael's throne in the World of Dreams, the first place we saw it was...on the coach Liandrin and her coven used to take Nynaeve, Elayne, and Egwene to the Stone of Tear, which belonged to High Lord Samon, Be'lal...
- It was also Liandrin and her coven who came up with the idea to free Mazrim Taim, presumably while they were at the Stone so that Be'lal would have known about it. He pulled Alviarin into the World of Dreams (an unnecessary act since Mesaana and Lanfear had already dispatched the coven and the Supergirls to Tear as bait for the trap for Rand)—perhaps to send the Black Ajah to free Taim? In which case perhaps the real Taim was the impostor sent in to get Callandor, and whom Moiraine balefired. Then she gets knocked out, Ishamael chases Rand into the World of Dreams, and Be'lal makes a Villain: Exit, Stage Left, using the info he got from Taim to assume his identity with a Mirror of Mists. Or...he actually did get balefired, but because the amount was so small (Moiraine could only burn a thread back by "a few seconds", and Jordan said the Dark One could resurrect someone killed by balefire if the amount was small) the Dark One was able to catch his soul in time. Then he was put into Taim's old body, or a new Saldaean one. And Be'lal being another guy who hated and envied Lews Therin would explain all the things about Taim that made him seem to be Demandred...unless Be'lal was imitating Demandred on purpose, to throw both Rand and the readers off...
Note that this would also explain why the Creator is so absent in the series: the Creator is just another human being and, well, he has a life! He doesn't want to spend all his days watching over that Big Bad he defeated centuries ago. Heck, he may well be dead by now, and he died in peace, knowing that he'd saved the world from such a horrible monster. Those little figme
Olver appears after Birgitte notes Cain's disappearance from the Dreamworld, and is a very ugly boy. Also, being raised by Matt & Co. are setting him solidly on a path towards becoming a soldier and talented swordsman, not to mention gifting him with some chick-magnet powers.
Also, It's possible that he wasn't born, raised, and orphaned in the normal sense. The pattern anticipated Birgitte's being removed from the normal sequence of events, and so it brought Cain into the world in an abnormal fashion to heal the damage done to the Pattern with Birgitte was removed. Thus, even though Birgitte is older than Cain in a biological sense, he remains older than her in a chronological sense, preserving the pattern.
- Through Fridge Logic this Troper believes that the slowing of time is actually a kind of measuring rod to how much control the Dark One is possessing over the Pattern. The closer we get to the Last Battle, the more time will slow, to the point where it actually stands still during a total solar eclipse, fulfilling the prophecy of twice dawns the day. When the good guys when, back to standard time zones.
- Through normal logic, how exactly can you truly "finish" a series where life goes in a continuous circle, forever?
- Alternate theory: Machin Shin will be absorbed by Mashadar. Padan Fain was telling Machin Shin what to do since the first book. ...wait a second, does Mashadar even exist any more? I thought it was destroyed along with Shadar Logoth...
- Alternate theory 2: In connection with the next WMG, Machin Shin is actually a result of the Taint interacting with Mashadar bleeding into the Ways through the Shadar Logoth waygate. Much as happened in the case of Padan Fain, who was a creature of the Dark One before entering Shadar Logoth, Machin Shin is insane because it is in a turmoil as its Dark One taint and Shadar Logoth taint fight even as they find a common cause (also explaining Fain's "kinship" with it). The effect of this interaction is decay in such a way that it is gradual and painful, just as with the wounds in Rand's side. With Shadar Logoth and the taint both gone, Machin Shin will have begun to dissipate.
This also explains why the Ways are so hostile to Trollocs and other Darkspawn; Shadar Logoth was no friend to the dark.
- According to Loial/Moiraine in tEotW, the anti-trolloc traps were built-in by the Aes Sedai who grew the Ways.
- To further support this theory: Aridhol fell to Mashadar and became Shadar Logoth sometime during the Trolloc Wars (a legion of Shadowspawn camped there and was never seen again near the end of the wars), while the Ways began growing dark during the War of the Hundred Years. This would indicate the magic and sentience of the Ways took some time to become tainted and darkened by Mashadar, and also puts the darkening of the Ways and its cause much closer together than it would be if the tainting of saidin caused it.
- This is fairly well debunked by Word of God, which explicitly refers to Machin Shin as a product of the Taint. Presumably, anyone can feel the corruption because it's so strong, and the Ways were such a complex and massive creation that it took awhile for the corruption to visibly set in. Apparently the effects of Machin Shin and Mashadar are similar enough for it to recognize Fain as "kin", though.
- Pretty well debunked by The Gathering Storm
- But, you say, "He didn't 'take down' the Myrddraal." It decided he was Not Worth Killing. And whose word do we have for that? Just Thom's. Given how much Thom refuses to talk about himself, and throwing in what appears to be a Warder reticence, it makes perfect sense that he wouldn't tell them he could deal with a Myrddraal, especially when he's trying to both get rid of the ta'veren and get them to be careful.
- Unlikely, as Thor did not receive such a wound. Rand and Mat's losses have been long expected, being Tyr/Tiw and Odin, respectively. Well, unless Perrin's leg is poisoned, maybe by Black Ajah (serpents)...
- If anyone's going to be a Thor analogue, wouldn't it be Rand al-Thor?
- No, it'd be the guy who kills people with a GIANT HAMMER.
- If anyone's going to be a Thor analogue, wouldn't it be Rand al-Thor?
- AMOL Spoiler: Nope, though he does get hit by multiple arrows, with wounds that don't seem to heal quite right.
- Actually Word of God on this one is that our own age is the First age. For example, the old legend about giants fighting in the sky with lances of fire is allegory for the cold war, and the story of men who flew to the moon in the belly of an eagle is a reference to the moon landing("the eagle has landed"), and both of those legends date back to the Age of Dreams(the first age).