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[[WMG: What Primrose will be doing after her story ends]]
Well, the narration says that she will eventually find happiness after dancing awhile. However, by 'dancing', I think it may mean that she returns to House Azelhart and starts the process of rebuilding it, just like how her father envisioned it. And in the process of rebuilding or once she's done, Primrose will use her influence to eventually hunt down and dismantle/destroy the Obsidian (the group as a whole, not just the heads), so it will no longer become a menace to Orsterra. Many Obsidians (may include Esmeralda from Tressa's story) will be arrested, converted or killed if they prove to be stubborn. Primrose will find her happiness in continuing her beloved father's legacy and bringing back his beloved rulership spirit back to Noblecourt, her targeting the Obsidians has more meanings than just avenging her father.
Therefore, she's further dancing on the restoration of House Azelhart and the end of the Obsidians.
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** That didn't stop a fan from making [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/29395719/chapters/118266991 a fanfic]] in which [[spoiler: [[LukeIAmYourFather Therion is the son of one of the Crow Men]]]]. Thankfully, Primrose ''[[AvertedTrope doesn't]]'' [[SinsOfOurFathers judge him for it]]; in fact, all this revelation does is make Primrose hate [[spoiler: Rufus]] even more (the fic's version of Therion is a ChildByRape).
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** That didn't stop a fan from making [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/29395719/chapters/118266991 a fanfic]] in which [[spoiler: [[LukeIAmYourFather Therion is the son of one of the Crow Men]]]]. Thankfully, Primrose ''[[AvertedTrope doesn't]]'' [[SinsOfOurFathers judge him for it]]; in fact, all this revelation does is make Primrose hate [[spoiler: Rufus]] even more.
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** That didn't stop a fan from making [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/29395719/chapters/118266991 a fanfic]] in which [[spoiler: [[LukeIAmYourFather Therion is the son of one of the Crow Men]]]]. Thankfully, Primrose ''[[AvertedTrope doesn't]]'' [[SinsOfOurFathers judge him for it]]; in fact, all this revelation does is make Primrose hate [[spoiler: Rufus]] even more.
more (the fic's version of Therion is a ChildByRape).
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** That didn't stop a fan from making [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/29395719/chapters/118266991 a fanfic]] in which [[spoiler: [[LukeIAmYourFather Therion is the son of one of the Crow Men]]]]. Thankfully, Primrose ''[[AvertedTrope doesn't]]'' [[SinsOfOurFathers judge him for it]]; in fact, all this revelation does is make Primrose hate [[spoiler: Rufus]] even more.
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* Another possibility is that Harald's father had a wandering eye and [[HeroicBastard Therion was the result]].
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[[WMG: There's something to do with dreams]]
*The phrase "Always the same dream..." is said at the beginning of Primrose's and Olberic's chapters, by those said characters after their backstory flashback. Ogen also says it in Alphyn's chapter 4. Something's up here... well, maybe it's just a common enough phrase...
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* Interesting idea, but there's a small hole with this theory: [[spoiler:Werner couldn't have taken over Riverford any more than 8 years ago, as he went there after Hornburg fell]], and Therion was already on the streets at least 10 years ago (as this is when he met Darius). Unless perhaps there were other power struggles against Harald's family previously, and [[spoiler:Werner]] merely stoked them for his own needs?
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[[WMG: Harald and Therion are brothers]]
This is a theory I've seen floating around the Internet, and there are a few points which support it.
* They have some similarities in their appearance
** Both have white hair with an almost similar hairstyle
* They are of almost similar age
** Therion is 22 while Harald is 23
* Harald's backstory would complement Therion's mysterious past
** The [[spoiler:power struggle between Werner and Harald's family]] could have led to the separation of the brothers
* Most of the enemies in [[spoiler:Werner's mansion (Lord's Manse)]] are weak to Therion's starting arsenal
** [[spoiler:Werner's henchmen (Werner's Man I, II, and III)]] are all weak to the entirety of Therion's starting arsenal of Sword, Dagger, and Fire, while the [[spoiler:Fire and Dark Guardians Mk. II]] are both weak to Swords and Daggers. Perhaps Therion picked up on and trained with those weapons/magic given what has happened in his past?
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* Jossed; the Crow Men are all NPCs.
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* Jossed; the Crow Men are all NPCs.
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* Thief: A pickpocket ability that lets you steal items/gold from NPCs seems like an obvious call for a path action.
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* Thief: A pickpocket ability that lets you steal items/gold from NPCs [=NPCs=] seems like an obvious call for a path action.
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** Her path action might be some sort of "conversion" or "preaching" ability that lets her recruit NPCs to her side, as a compliment to Primrose's ability.
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** His path action might be an information-gathering skill like Alfyn's. Perhaps a "Lore" skill focused more on worldbuilding information than personal information, or a "Telepathy" skill that gathers information from NPCs by reading their minds.
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** His path action might be an information-gathering skill like Alfyn's. Perhaps a "Lore" skill focused more on worldbuilding information than personal information, or a "Telepathy" skill that gathers information from NPCs [=NPCs=] by reading their minds.
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[[WMG: The travelers that aren't the protagonist of their particular chapter only exist in the protagonist's head.]]
Not a very serious theory, but it'd explain why the other travelers never show up in that chapter's cutscenes yet still act like they were there in party chats, as well as some of the more nonsensical teamups (especially Therion accepting ''any'' allies during his first chapter).
Not a very serious theory, but it'd explain why the other travelers never show up in that chapter's cutscenes yet still act like they were there in party chats, as well as some of the more nonsensical teamups (especially Therion accepting ''any'' allies during his first chapter).
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* Confirmed; using the Purchase/Steal path action on Leon gets you [[InfinityPlusOneSword the Battle-Tested Spear, the best weapon of that type]].
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* Confirmed; using the Purchase/Steal path action on Leon gets you [[InfinityPlusOneSword the Battle-Tested Spear, the best weapon of that type]].type]].
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[[WMG: Leon will sell you some of the best weapons in the game]]
[[WMG: Alternatively, Leon will give Tressa her ultimate weapon, which will be his blue spear]]
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[[WMG: Leon will sell you some of the best weapons in the game]]
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* Confirmed; using the Purchase/Steal path action on Leon gets you [[InfinityPlusOneSword the Battle-Tested Spear, the best weapon of that type]].
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* Confirmed; using the Purchase/Steal path action on Leon gets you [[InfinityPlusOneSword the Battle-Tested Spear, the best weapon of that type]].
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* [[spoiler:Confirmed; there is a TrueFinalBoss that connects all eight arcs, as well as some sidequests.]]
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* The travelers may not line up with these perfectly in the beginning, but the Buddhist eightfold path to enlightenment means adopting the right perspective, thought, speech, action, livelihood, effort, mindfulness, and concentration (meditation). Primrose may eventually align with the ideal of "right speech" per her ability, while Olberic may represent "right action" with his dutiful decisiveness. Bonus points if the eight travelers have to join forces with eachother in order to reach some sort of spiritual purity in the endgame.
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* The travelers may not line up with these perfectly in the beginning, but the Buddhist eightfold path to enlightenment means adopting the right perspective, thought, speech, action, livelihood, effort, mindfulness, and concentration (meditation). Primrose may eventually align with the ideal of "right speech" per her ability, while Olberic may represent "right action" with his dutiful decisiveness. Bonus points if the eight travelers have to join forces with eachother each other in order to reach some sort of spiritual purity in the endgame.
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* Jossed; Cordelia Ravus and Heathcoate never backstab Therion after conscripting him.
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* Jossed; some of the primary antagonists include M[[spoiler:attias]] and D[[spoiler:arius]].
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* Jossed; there is unique "party banter", some of which could be interpreted as romantic, but no relationship system.
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* Jossed; there are only eight playable characters in the final release. However, Kit's sidequests are still important to the overall story.
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[[WMG: Leon will sell you some of the best weapons in the game]]
[[WMG: Alternatively, Leon will give Tressa her ultimate weapon, which will be his blue spear]]
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Her lying to the Headmaster during the first chapter is {{Foreshadowing}} something deeper.
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Her lying to the Headmaster during the first chapter is {{Foreshadowing}} something deeper.deeper.
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** The demo's data can be carried over to the main game, and it is almost certain that everything that happens in the demo will also be in the main game. It's doubtful that they added a character solely to show off sidequests in the demo, especially when there are still a number of sidequests that can be done.
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** The demo's data can be carried over to the main game, and it is almost certain that everything that happens in the demo will also be in the main game. It's doubtful that they added a character solely to show off sidequests in the demo, especially when there are still a number of sidequests that can be done.done.
[[WMG: Therese falls victim to, or ''is'' the BigBad of Cyrus's storyline.]]
Her lying to the Headmaster during the first chapter is {{Foreshadowing}} something deeper.
[[WMG: Therese falls victim to, or ''is'' the BigBad of Cyrus's storyline.]]
Her lying to the Headmaster during the first chapter is {{Foreshadowing}} something deeper.
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** Being flexible with the name used and potentially Captain ‘L’eon Bastralle and Lady Cordelia ’R’avus will be the antagonists for Tressa and Therion respectively.
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* Kit seems to more be a sidequest tutorial for the demo, although it doesn't rule out the possibility that his questline is a lot more intertwined with the main story than it seems.
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* Kit seems to more be a sidequest tutorial for the demo, although it doesn't rule out the possibility that his questline is a lot more intertwined with the main story than it seems.seems.
** The demo's data can be carried over to the main game, and it is almost certain that everything that happens in the demo will also be in the main game. It's doubtful that they added a character solely to show off sidequests in the demo, especially when there are still a number of sidequests that can be done.
** The demo's data can be carried over to the main game, and it is almost certain that everything that happens in the demo will also be in the main game. It's doubtful that they added a character solely to show off sidequests in the demo, especially when there are still a number of sidequests that can be done.
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Kit appears outside of the starting town of every playable character, requesting a healing grape and stating that he is searching for his father and that their paths may cross again. Perhaps he is a ninth playable character?
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Kit appears outside of the starting town of every playable character, requesting a healing grape and stating that he is searching for his father and that their paths may cross again. Perhaps he is a ninth playable character?character?
* Kit seems to more be a sidequest tutorial for the demo, although it doesn't rule out the possibility that his questline is a lot more intertwined with the main story than it seems.
* Kit seems to more be a sidequest tutorial for the demo, although it doesn't rule out the possibility that his questline is a lot more intertwined with the main story than it seems.
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[[WMG: At some point during Primrose's storyline, she'll start a DanceSensation.]]
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[[WMG: Kit will be the ninth playable character]]
Kit appears outside of the starting town of every playable character, requesting a healing grape and stating that he is searching for his father and that their paths may cross again. Perhaps he is a ninth playable character?
[[WMG: Kit will be the ninth playable character]]
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In gameplay, this translates to stat bonuses. In story, this unlocks unique chats between characters. At the end of the game, each pair of opposite-gender characters with the highest values for one another get married.
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In gameplay, this translates to stat bonuses. In story, this unlocks unique chats between characters. At the end of the game, each pair of opposite-gender characters with the highest values for one another get married.married.
[[WMG: At some point during Primrose's storyline, she'll start a DanceSensation.]]
[[WMG: At some point during Primrose's storyline, she'll start a DanceSensation.]]
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Because "traveler", like "Octopath", is an eight letter word and Olberic's main villain seems to be Erhardt, it's possible for the names of the villains of each path to spell out "TRAVELER", with H'aanit's antagonist starting with a T and going backward through the protagonists, ending with Ophilia's antagonist having a name starting with R.
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Because "traveler", like "Octopath", is an eight letter word and Olberic's main villain seems to be Erhardt, it's possible for the names of the villains of each path to spell out "TRAVELER", with H'aanit's antagonist starting with a T and going backward through the protagonists, ending with Ophilia's antagonist having a name starting with R.R.
[[WMG: There will be a RelationshipValues system between the eight heroes]]
In gameplay, this translates to stat bonuses. In story, this unlocks unique chats between characters. At the end of the game, each pair of opposite-gender characters with the highest values for one another get married.
[[WMG: There will be a RelationshipValues system between the eight heroes]]
In gameplay, this translates to stat bonuses. In story, this unlocks unique chats between characters. At the end of the game, each pair of opposite-gender characters with the highest values for one another get married.
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* Creator/MatthewMercer or Creator/LiamOBrien, since they tend to lend their voices to fantasy games.
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* Creator/MatthewMercer or Creator/LiamOBrien, since they tend to lend their voices to fantasy games.games.
[[WMG: The names of each route's primary antagonist, taken backward, will spell out "TRAVELER"]]
Because "traveler", like "Octopath", is an eight letter word and Olberic's main villain seems to be Erhardt, it's possible for the names of the villains of each path to spell out "TRAVELER", with H'aanit's antagonist starting with a T and going backward through the protagonists, ending with Ophilia's antagonist having a name starting with R.
[[WMG: The names of each route's primary antagonist, taken backward, will spell out "TRAVELER"]]
Because "traveler", like "Octopath", is an eight letter word and Olberic's main villain seems to be Erhardt, it's possible for the names of the villains of each path to spell out "TRAVELER", with H'aanit's antagonist starting with a T and going backward through the protagonists, ending with Ophilia's antagonist having a name starting with R.
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** The May 2017 trailer shows that all eight characters can meet up and join the party long before the endgame.
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** The May 2017 2018 trailer shows that all eight characters can meet up and join the party long before the endgame.
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** The May 2017 trailer shows that all eight characters can meet up and join the party long before the endgame.
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** H'aanit is confirmed to be a Hunter, but her path action is to force villagers to fight her, as opposed to willingly accepting Olberic's Challenges.
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** H'aanit is confirmed a Hunter with shades of Beastmaster, with taming monsters to be a Hunter, but use in battle being her path action is to force villagers to fight her, as opposed to willingly accepting Olberic's Challenges.Talent rather than a Path Action.
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** Ophilia is confirmed to be a Cleric.
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** Looks like Cyrus is actually a Scholar, not a Wizard. But hey, three out of four isn't bad.