- Well, he did try and do the same thing, after watching Final Justice. He just didn't succeed. (And just what was the extent of the attempt? Do his reality-warping powers extend to mind control? Was he able to influence Pearl into sending up a Joe Don Baker-as-Cowboy Cop movie just to set the stage for his escape, to make the conditions match those of Joel's escape as closely as possible? Hmmmm...)
- So that means that Haruhi Suzumiya is next... actually, I'd like to see that... Kyon, Haruhi, and Yuki mercilessly beating up on terrible anime has quite a bit of an appeal to me.
- Someone has to do this! Please!!!
- Gizmonic didn't decide jack. It's made clear early on in the show that Gizmonic Institute doesn't approve of Dr. Forrester and Frank's experiments, which is why they fled to Deep 13, an old sub-basement which hasn't been used in forever and which the Institute no longer monitors. So Dr. Forrester and TV's Frank are former project heads who betrayed the company in order to carry on dangerous experiments which the company disapproves of... sort of like GLaDOS!
- The main problem I see with this one is that the Joel episodes take place "next Sunday" — presumably the Sunday after they air. Also, if you want to extend it to Mike, you have to deal with Season 8, which takes place in Roman Times and in 2525.
- Alternatively, the "next Sunday" part of the theme song refers to the date that Joel was launched into space, which would mean that he was launched in 1989. Joel could have also modified Cambot to send the broadcasts backwards and forwards in time, depending.
- Word Of God states that Forrester sold footage of the experiments to cable—specifically, Comedy Central—to get funding, which makes sense as the show's final episode on CC shows Forrester saying they've lost funding. Forrester and Erhardt also complain about the show's high ratings ("we're mad scientists!") in the KTMA season.
- Could we then say that Joel initially tried to get help by broadcasting a week into the past onto KTMA (so that he could create a stable time loop by getting rescued before he had to watch the movie), but the Mads realized what happened, hijacked the footage, and sold it to the highest bidder (Comedy Central, in this case)?
- Can we also say that the first time the Mads intercepted Joel's footage was the week before they shot him into space, and that's where they got the idea to shoot him into space?
- Mike attempted to contact people in the media to try and convince them the show was in fact real, but this only ended up in Hollywood getting its claws on the show and the movie moving the show even further into science-fiction, reducing his chances for rescue.
In A Case of Spring Fever, Gilbert is a 50- to 60-year-old middle manager at a large spring factory. He has created a multitude of hallucinations in an attempt to give his life meaning, including a wife, but none of them have managed to satisfy him. Finally, one day, while fixing the springs on his couch for the thousandth time, he snaps, realizing subconsciously that the only way he can make his life seem satisfying is if he can be forcibly made to genuinely enjoy the springs that he spends his entire day around. Once he crosses over, his imaginary wife disappears, no longer needed. The major difference between Mr. B and Spring Fever is that in the second half of Spring Fever, we see from outside the main character's point of view. He has created a world in his mind where springs are the most useful, beautiful, and glorious things in the world, but almost immediately after he creates this world, we are ejected from it, and watch as his friends, like us, consider him to be nothing but a lunatic.
- Alternately, he's a spring purchaser for Chevrolet Division, given how many of the cars in the filmstrip are new 1941 Chevys.
- Does that mean this all happens within the Hired! universe?
- There's a shared Jam Handy universe. Remember to keep your preserves conveniently located!
- Does that mean this all happens within the Hired! universe?
- You know it makes sense.
- So is Coily.
- Gender transition including hormone therapy and reassignment surgery, on Canadian
public health insurancesocialized medicine? How else would the ex-governor picture it turning out?
Let's face it: the only reason Vadinho looked for Tony in the first place is that he wanted to get some jollies out of random murder. It was a complete accident that he even actually found Tony, and he only trained him because he knew that, weak and ineffectual as Tony was, his powers prevented him from being killed. The whole Kobras thing was all Vadinho's doing: a big ruse to get Tony to think that his job was done and he wouldn't need to use his powers for anything other than "making love in the air", so he would leave Vadinho alone. Of course, Tony wasn't supposed to show up at the big fight, and Kobras, Vadinho's BFF, wasn't supposed to die a horrible fiery death. When that complication arose, Vadinho could no longer get any joy out of random murder, and, his spirit crushed, he left on the space plane to mourn his friend (and possible lover) — and, eventually, find a new planet to kill people on, once he'd gotten over Kobras's death.
- Trudging a little close to Truth in Television here, seeing as the Satellite of Love really doesn't exist, the show actually was produced in a TV studio here on earth, and Mike and Joel's first names really are Mike and Joel.
- Nah, that's just what they WANT you to think!
- Dr. Forester lacked the funding to create and launch a real satellite, so it's all just a sort of Truman Show type illusion, done in a set made up to look like space. The Satellite is actually just hanging from wires in a big circular room with stars painted on the walls and a model of Earth on the floor. That explains a lot of the stuff usually handwaved by the MST3K Mantra; breathing is not a problem because they are actually on earth. Same with gravity. All that "Umbilicus" stuff where there's allegedly a tether between the satellite and Deep 13? Buncha' hooey, the tether is like 50 feet long and just reaching from the set to the next room. Why did Dr. Forester do this? Because the feeling of isolation would heighten the effectiveness of the experiments, as well as reduce escape attempts. He can pump the air out of the room outside of the satellite to simulate the vacuum of space (we already know he removes it from the satellite itself to keep the subjects in the theater). Any extraterrestrials encountered are hoaxes intended to further the illusion and push the subjects further into madness.
- Alternately, Lake Wobegon is closer to the Minneapolis/St.Paul metro area than Keillor lets on.
- Dr. Erhardt and TV's Frank - Infrared Clearance
- Dr. Forrester - Green Clearance
- Joel - Red Clearance (most of the time. Wearing jumpsuits of other colors is treason.)
- Mike - Green Clearance
- The Skipper used to be a smalltown sheriff, until an invasion of giant spiders traumatized him and, fearing for his sanity, he fled for the spiderless ocean.
- The Professor was leading the other castaways on the whole time. He knew he could get off the island, but he also knew that the helicopter he was building would only carry him, so he had to play dumb so as not to cause mutiny. He finally escaped one night, but the constant stupidity of the other castaways and the frustration of hiding his own genius led to some serious anger management issues with the new family he started. His wife's insistence that they move to the beach triggered constant flashbacks, which certainly didn't help matters.
- After taking the Great Vorelli's body, Hugo faked his own death, ending the Vorelli phenomenon, then disguised himself from his loyal fans by dying his hair orange so he could fly under the radar as a scientist. His goal was to develop a scientific way to transfer souls, so he could liberate all the ventriloquy dummies of the world. However, he lacked the patience and deliberation of Vorelli, abruptly ending his life and the project through his recklessness.
- Diabolik survived being coated in gold, but quite a bit of the lead in his suit soaked through to his brain, and so it is difficult to tell how much of Space Mutiny is the actual story of him aboard the space station he built with the money from selling all the gold and how much is hallucination.
- After botching a drug bust and killing lots of Maltese men, Geronimo Mitchell got a sex change and became a scientist specializing in shiny metal plates growing out of chest scabs. The relatively low occurrence of such a medical phenomenon meant s/he had a lot of free time, which s/he continued to fill with food, beer, food, porn, food, and farting.
- If you take the theme songs literally, the Joel episodes are set on the Sunday following the original airdate, and Mike was hired by Dr. F and Frank shortly before the last Joel episode, which would have taken place on Sunday, October 24, 1993 (it aired on the 23rd). (After that, the timeline does get messy — "somewhere in time and space...") Also, Mike had been doing various temp jobs since the 1980s, and he grew up in Wisconsin.
- Oddly, the theme song always opened with "In the not-too-distant future" even when M&TB were in 2525 (which is distant) or in Roman Times (which is the past!).
This hypothesis falls apart with the introduction of Mike...unless you consider that he could have been deemed similarly dangerous and was even more insane for imagining that his new doctors were an ape-man and an albino space alien. Unfortunately, he managed to take out the best of the doctors, and the others (including the new ones) were a little more reluctant to interact with him. This is why the invention exchanges were dropped a few episodes after Mike came on board.
- Expanding on the above theory: Joel was, in reality, an avid moviegoer and invented in his spare time, but one day, after having a patent rejected, he finally lost it. In his hallucinations, all the bad movies that he had watched came back to torture him. The "Mads", the doctors at the institute, had nothing to do with the films in reality, but Joel projected his hatred onto the closest available targets, and envisioned the doctors as evil, twisted scientists that tortured him with these films. Though he did briefly break out, he was eventually reapprehended. Unable to rationalize his capture, he created an alternate personality for himself, which he called Mike, who continued to suffer through the "movies".
- The movies could be shown by the doctors, or picked by other patients. Speaking as someone who works in a mental health facility, horrible movies are a constant feature. Guess how many times in a month they watched Matrix Revolutions. Go on, guess.
This means that their universe is a Crapsack World, but that's confirmed in canon, so...
- Satellite's gone up to the skies (to the skies)Things like that drive me out of my mind (out of my mind)I watched it for a little whileI like to watch things on TV (on TV)Satellite's gone up to the skies...Satellite of love! Satellite of love!Satellite's gone way up to MarsSoon it will be filled with parking carsI watch it for a little while (a little while)I love to watch things... on TV!*twang*
- You gotta admit, that's quite fitting...
- Dr. Erhardt was somehow eaten by a spider in the film Earth vs. The Spider (No, not during the experiment — within the film itself. Time travel was presumably involved). But Frank has died plenty of times, so it could work.
- Maybe that was the first time he died, and Dr. F then built a more modular body for him.
- Which inspired the Johnny Longtorso action figure.
- Maybe that was the first time he died, and Dr. F then built a more modular body for him.
- The fanfic 3000: A Space Odyssey explained Erhardt was the guinea pig for a device Dr. F created that traps people in movies.
He's Doctor Forrester. He's showing us these really horrible 80s/90s movies to find the one that drives us insane, and thus use it to rule the world. His comments are because, after seeing Joel/Mike and the Bots "riff" on movies, he decided to try it himself. And this "The Bum" guy? He's what happened to Dr. Erhardt.
- Or better yet, the Critic will become Dr. Forrester. After years of seeing bad movies, the Critic goes mad and becomes evil, as he decides to show Joel, Mike, and the 'bots how it felt to be him.
- Okay, on the off-chance that this were true and Chester A. Bum and Dr. Erhardt were one and the same person, then what would that make TV's Frank? He certainly couldn't be Ask That Guy.
- Maybe he becomes The Nostalgia Chick. Hell of an operation!
- So you're saying that the events that take place in NC's reviews happen after this show? That sounds really confusing and contradictory. This show takes place some time in the future whereas NC's reviews are (almost) always within the time frame that the video is uploaded to the site, and Forrester's death between seasons seven and eight would just make this more confusing. Also, as it was mentioned earlier, the Nostalgia Critic episodes that contain NC's future self show that he becomes more like Doc Brown than Doctor Forrester. Confusing timelines and canonical contradictions aside, Forrester's attempts at riffing movies like in The Castle of Fu Manchu within the show didn't go very well and his riffs don't sound that much like something NC would say (not counting Mirror Universe-Forrester), so overall I highly doubt this. I'll give you credit for trying to combine the two, but it just doesn't add up.
- No offense, but this WMG has way too many holes in it for me to accept or even like it; overall it's too implausible. However, this did make me consider the thought that Santa Christ and Krusher Kringle are either the same person or at least related in some way. Just because.
- "Similar body shape"? The EVE probes look vaguely egg-shaped, while Servo... well, doesn't. The EVE probes don't have arms that are that small in comparison to the rest of their body, and unlike Servo's, they are fully functional (and can blow stuff up). Also, flying and hovering are not the same thing; EVE probes have the ability to hover and fly, whereas Servo hovers and only flew once in a deleted scene from the movie (and he can teleport himself from place to place, something which the EVE probes can't do). Are we thinking of the same 'bots here?
Because she never had a physical form to begin with, Magic Voice couldn't be pulled back into reality when the SOL returned to Earth, and probably didn't want to go back to being an on-board AI after having independence for the first time in her existence. She's still somewhere at the edge of the universe, living it up.
- The Magic Voice did actually return to the satellite, and she shows up infrequently throughout season 9/10.
- Could be that she simply showed up for visits from time to time, but since she was explicitly not called back with the others she wasn't stuck on the satellite like they were and didn't want to give up roaming the universe in pure energy form? It would explain her infrequent appearances as well as give an explanation for why she wasn't mentioned during the finale — she wasn't there at the time.
- And Joel only talks to the movies because he's insane; he initially just watched the movies silently, but after losing his mind, he thinks that movies are talking to him, and thus feels the need to respond.
- Mike's constant Sanity Slippage of thinking he's various celebrities (Carol Channing, Kenny G, etc.) is just more evidence.
- That's good, we should repeat that to ourselves.
- THAT'S BAD, WE SHOULD NEVER SAY THAT TO OURSELVES AGAIN!
That's not to say that the robots don't have FORMS; Joel could've easily built them from junk lying around, becoming the Wilsons to his Tom Hanks. Joel had gone insane from the movies, and imagined the Bots speaking to him. When Mike was sent up, he was, in fact, conked on the noggin. His imagining of the Bots is likely due to a head injury from said conking. Notice how no one else really refers to the robots besides the guest characters (obvious illusions on the part of Joel and Mike) and... Pearl. But, are you really shocked that she was nuts?
- Nah. Dr. Forrester, Dr, Erhardt, Frank, Bobo and the Observers all interact with and respond to the bots from time to time, enough times that this theory doesn't hold up unless you want to claim that every single character is nuts and sharing the same delusions, or (like an above WMG) that the entire show is a delusion of Joel/Mike.
Apparently, the notion of doing something with his remarkable talent in the field of roboticsnote never occurred to him. Presumably, this could be the result of some sort of bad-movie-induced psychosis, but if Joel was always this much of a Genius Ditz, it would go a long way to explain why the egotistical but incompetent Drs. Forrester and Earhart "didn't like him" to the point where they devised an elaborate scheme to destroy his mind.
- Maybe he was working as a Janitor to get through post-graduate work?
- That or he maybe just didn't want to make a career out of robotics? It might just a fun hobby for him.
- Or maybe ethical concerns. He always treated the robots as his friends; he wouldn't want his creations to become a slave race.
- This also explains how he's able to build robots out of parts that he could have used to control playback of the movies.
- That's actually quite a heartwarming idea.
- Not the case for Gypsy, as she's stated to be running a massive corporation called ConGypsCo. The show never explains what Mike, Crow, Servo, and Cambot are doing, however, except to show that they're all sharing an apartment together, so perhaps they at least did go to work for Joel at the Fish Shop? And heck, maybe Gypsy moonlights there in her time off.
- On slow days, they all go into the back room and watch bad movies to pass the time.
- Does this mean that he'll regenerate? Or that he already did regenerate? Ow, I'm so confused...
- He regenerated into TV's Frank, who regenerated into Bobo.
- It's clear Servo was built last because of his lack of functional arms. Joel had completely run out of parts by this point.
- This was confirmed in 2008 when the pilot, The Green Slime, was first shown at a convention. The episode features Crow, Gypsy and a robot called Beeper (who is similar to Servo, but clearly not the same). Cambot is implied to exist by the fact that the episode exists.
- But then, why does Magic Voice sound like a woman?
Some examples of his being an alien:
The fact he survived the nuclear apocalypse (which was what happens before "next Sunday AD" according to Jim Mallon) with his mind intact.
One KTMA episode reveals he designed and built the very odd and nigh-indestructible Satellite of Love - along with the bots - by himself (which explains why his bosses "didn't like him"!). He also created his own spaceship afterwards despite being a manager at a fish fry store. Another KMTA episode has, if memory serves, Joel talking to "the people from Earth.
Upon leaving the Satellite of Love, Joel mentions that he's taught "everything" he knows of humanity to the bots; given how the bots tend to behave, we have to wonder what, if anything, he was teaching them off-screen.
The fact that, unlike Mike, Joel doesn't seem to mind being up in space all that much, doesn't really hold any grudge towards the Mads despite the conditions (most humans would try to at least escape like Mike did), and even says his time on the Satellite were among "the best in his life" and that it made him "a man". But maybe not just any man - a human.
It's true that the song says we should just relax about things like eating or breathing, but that's because, as an alien, Joel doesn't need to eat or breathe. Hence why we should relax and not worry!
- No, Magic Voice addresses Cambot in that scene, so they can't be the same character.
So what about Mike Nelson? He's also dead, by blunt force trauma to the head. Unlike Joel, Mike managed to escape from Purgatory on his own when the demon in charge was called away (this explains his ascendance at the edge of the universe). The original demon's superior, who took the form of Pearl Forrester, brought Mike back. Despite her best efforts, however, Mike was eventually able to escape from her as well.
- It'd explain why Crow's arms are more poseable now, even though Jonah claims in the first episode that he didn't change Crow at all. The episode Werewolf, from the Mike era, shows that the original Crow's non-moving arms are canon to a degree, since Werecrow!Mike had be told he couldn't use his hands and had to hit the commercial sign button with his mouth. Any other time in the past that Crow's arms actually worked were just Acceptable Breaks from Canon, and we should really just relax.
- Or Joel infiltrated Kinga's operation so he could rescue the bots (and Jonah, if there's time).
They never realized that he had goaded them into giving him the resources and feedback that he had been seeking when he joined the company, a chance to grow in his skills and see how other mad scientists perceived him. Unlike the mads, Joel was truly psychotic from the get-go, that's why he wasn't bothered by spending years isolated in space with no human companionship, a fate that would drive any normal person insane. Notice how he was often tender with his creations and frequently treated them almost as if they were his children, but could be ruthless with them when the mood struck him, nonchalantly electrocuting them or doing other experiments with them just to see what would happen, and being generally indifferent or even amused when they displayed their own psychotic tendencies.
Eventually Joel got bored and realized that he had learned all he could from the experience, so orchestrated an escape. No one was ever the wiser, not even Gypsy knew she'd been had. They all really believed things happened as they appeared to. He also pulled the strings leading to poor, hapless Mike being shot up to take his place, to give his robotic experiments the human interaction he felt was needed to further their development. And also because he's sadistic, and knew a guy with as short a fuse as Mike would have an especially hard time trapped in isolation with a gaggle of psychotic robots.
Pyrotechnics in the outback? Hot fish? Those were all just covers for what he was really up to. After he got back to earth he started building his own underground empire, using his cunning and inventions to work his way into existing circles and take over. Gizmonic was naturally saved until last, as a sort of final blow to the institute that laughed at him and failed to recognize his genius.
Joel was content to rule with an iron fist, a shadowy figure no one ever saw except as a silhouette through a screen, but like all psychopaths, not even absolute power could satiate him forever. Tormenting people is so much more fun when it's personal. Eventually, he once again grew bored, and decided to take up his old experiment again. Last we had seen, his robots were with Mike, but obviously that's not the case anymore. We know his robots are now back in space, doing the job he made them to do so many years ago. As for what happened to Mike, who can say? Joel could have done away with him, or locked him up somewhere, or perhaps finds him amusing and has left him be. We don't know at this point.
Joel likewise set up the whole thing with Jonah. Jonah was a promising employee adored by his co-workers and superiors with a promising future at Gizmonic Institute, a naturally talented young man with a good disposition. Of course Joel would notice any rising star, and he probably considered it an ironic twist that Jonah, beloved by the company that refused to acknowledge Joel's talent, would be chosen for the same fate. The moon base is, of course, another organization secretly run by Joel. Naturally Kinga and Max are unaware, as even most competent villains don't know just how much control the "puppet-master", as he's sometimes referred to, really has. Even if they were, no one could ever suspect that it's slow, good-natured Joel Robinson.
Jonah's corruption will take some time, but Joel has plans for the boy. After all, all evil overlords need an eventual successor. Maybe, on some deep, subconscious level, Joel choosing Jonah is like a punishment for Jonah having the life Joel never could: acknowledgement of his genius, celebration of his skills, admiration of his peers. Jonah reminds Joel of himself, and that's what drew Joel to him, and made him ultimately choose Jonah.
The real kicker, though? Joel is the one sending them the movies every week. You know Ardy, the maintenance man? He seems like just a lowly grunt who cleans the place, right? But what was Joel doing when he was at Gizmonic? He was a lowly janitor. In the ultimate irony, Joel is hiding in plain sight, now the one sending the movies instead of receiving them, getting to once again work on the experiment he devoted years of his life to, the experiment that made him who he is today. He doesn't even try to hide his voice, but no one seems to notice, because who would ever suspect? And so Joel has come full circle.
- Battlefield Earth
- The Conqueror
- Jossed: None of these films show up, but that doesn't mean they can't show up in a potential Season 12.
- Joel's said he's not even sure who Kinga's mother is, so even if she is mentioned in the comics it probably won't be canon.
- In episode 1204 "The Day Time Ended", Dr. Erhardt finally returns and tells Kinga that her mother was Kim Cattrall.
- Alternately: Jonah was too nice to force his own clone to marry Kinga in his place. So they flipped a coin to decide which of them would go on the spacewalk and which would go to the wedding. The original Jonah lost the coinflip. So season 12 will feature Clone Jonah Heston (Clonah Heston?) as the new host.
- Crow could also have been rebuilt from the old loaner AMC Crow Gypsy was tooling around with.
- And now, with the appearance of Emily in the 2019 live tour and various online riffings, as well as the confirmation that she will appear in season 13, we can finally tick off the "confirmed" box for this one.
In a way; Mike Nelson's dumbassery, while responsible for indirectly causing the "Ape-ocalype" and destroying the Earth, may have inspired Earth people to get serious about scientific advancement space travel and space colonies...thus making the whole story arc for humanity on the show a lot less depressing.
- Or maybe they don't remember each other because a later version of themself is present, too the Forresters aren't a family, they're the equivalent of the Valeyard!