- Are you saying that Moana's people are uncivilized?
- I think he's saying most of the film appears to take place in the middle of the goddamn ocean, but I could be interpreting that wrong.
- What will most likely happen, at least in my opinion, is that the Big Bad ends up falling in a volcano as comeuppance for his/her misdeeds.
- But the Big Bad already lives in a volcano.
- More like the Big Bad is a volcano.
- Or they could cause a cave-in in Tamatoa's lair.
- Jossed. The Big Bad turns out to actually be the Big Good.
- However, contrast how the state the secondary villain Tamatoa is shown to be left behind in at The Stinger, will lead to his death without outside interference (which isn't hinted to show up) — so this is probably confirmed for him...
- Tamatoa is a monster. For all we know, he might be immortal, meaning that there's a fair chance that something will eventually pass by and knock him the right way up again.
- Wouldn't count on it since I See The Light didn't garnish that much attention (relative to Frozen, adjusted for age).
- Well, this theory has one very big piece of supporting evidence: Lin-Manuel Miranda of Hamilton and In the Heights fame.
- Jossed. While the soundtrack in general has been praised, there's not a single song that stands out in popularity like Let It Go did for Frozen.
- Frozen's been referenced to death in all later films that have appeared. Hans appeared as a cameo in BH6 and in Zootopia there's a character named "Duke Weaselton". I think the Frozen references should stop for now.
- Plus, Moana takes place in the very distant past, so Frozen would not have been around yet at that time.
- Olaf summer snowman or Summer Snowgie?
- Confirmed. At one point, Maui transforms into Sven.
- Semi-confirmed. His powers aren't fading — they're just inaccessible without his fish-hook. And when he does get his fish-hook back, they are initially malfunctioning:Tamatoa: [To Maui after Maui tries to use his hook again but it fails to work properly] You don't swing it like you used to...
- As it turns out, the "villain" is actually the very first character we see.
- Maybe Moana and Maui will hear rumors about the Big Bad before they encounter them for real. Some kind of malicious spirit or Super-Persistent Predator could fit in well with that kind of build-up.
- The part about not being present for much of the movie is true.
- I hope not. Disney already did a "White people are evil" theme in Pocahontas, and we saw how that went.
- I also hope not, not just because that plot is both insulting and cliched, but also because it would pull the story away from exploring the unique setting this movie has.
- Confirmed in an interview — the movie will focus on Moana understanding more about her heritage, with no romance between her and Maui, or anyone else.
- Confirmed - Moana does not have any romantic interest for anybody (or the other way around), at all.
- Confirmed. He provides the clucks and crows of the rooster Heihei. With that said, it's entirely possible the rooster will turn out to be evil.
- But the part about Heihei either turning out to be evil or a Hero with Bad Publicity is absolutely jossed; he's just Too Dumb to Live, to the point that he's even been called "even too dumb to die".
- Confirmed: The leaf baby Moana holds over the baby turtle to help him get to the sea safely is a reference to a little blue alien doing the same in Lilo & Stitch.
- Seemingly confirmed by Tamatoa's page on Disney Wiki, which states that he will be funny in a Deadpan Snarker way. It remains to be seen whether or not he is the villain, but this is very likely.
- Jossed. Tamatoa is the closest thing to this, but he is not a villain, only a mere antagonist.
- The movie takes place in a Polynesian fantasy setting. All the "countries" are really just islands, and although Motunui is mentioned, it is just an island as opposed to a city.
- Jossed. Moana's people start wayfinding again at the end, but it's not specified they end up on Australia or New Zealand.
- And this will occur gradually, rather than through a traditional ''My Little Pony''-esque redemption that follows the villain's defeat.
- So, like John Silver?
- Confirmed. Sort of. The Big Bad (or at least the most dangerous villain in the film; if anything the movie's conflict is Maui's fault) is the goddess Te Fiti, transformed into the fire demon Te Ka by losing her heart to Maui. At the end of the film, the heart is restored and she returns to her former Big Good status. So it's really more of a FaceHeel Revolving Door thing.
- Jossed. A being that could be her appears on Maui's tattoos during "Your Welcome", but otherwise Mahuika is not mentioned.
- Jossed. Pele is not mentioned. And the Goddess that does appear, Te Fiti, doesn't possess the MacGuffin during the movie but actually the other way around — Moana has the Goddess' MacGuffin.
- Jossed, her father is played by Temeura Morrison. Whether he dies or lives to the end of the movie is TBD.
- He lives. But his mother / Moana's grandmother dies, which plays an important role in setting Moana off on her journey.
- According to the main page, she has Making a Splash powers. I bet that the pendant is the source of those powers.
- Confirmed. It contains the Heart of Te Fiti, which drives the entire plot.
- It is also a heirloom artifact of her tribe, with its meaning lost along with the art of Wayfinding. It was seen in Moana's boat cave vision quest around the neck of Matai Vasa, the ancient chieftan and wayfinder, and passed on to a young man that looks to be his son. The abalone shell pattern is identical.
- If the above theory about Moana's pendant is true, then he's going to do this by stealing it.
- Semi-confirmed. He might make some people get "Poor Unfortunate Souls" vibes, but there's no Deal with the Devil.
- He does make a Shout-Out to the abovementioned movie in The Stinger scene:
Come on. They'd be stupid to waste Temuera Morrison being connected to a Star Wars joke. As the guy who voiced Jango Fett, Boba Fett, and every single clone trooper, they'd have to take leave of senses not to.
- Jossed! Moana's dad simply sounds like Jango Fett (and George Washington when he sings), unless there was a subtle Easter Egg this troper missed on their first viewing.
- He actually is a Chekhov's Gunman... but it's merely the fact that he likes to eat inedible objects (such as rocks).
- Semi-Jossed. Tamatoa is indeed not the Big Bad, but he never has a HeelFace Turn either. Likewise, the fire goddess Te Ka IS the Big Bad, but is unexpectedly also the Big Good.
- Confirmed. Gramma Tala does die, and that actually plays an important role in setting Moana off on her journey. And while the necklace isn't magic itself, it contains magic in that it is the storage place of Te Fiti's heart.
- Confirmed. Pua does not go alongside the voyage (Heihei the rooster does instead). He is only on the island.
- Semi-comfirmed. The song starts as Moana leaves the tent and (as it starts getting uplifting) runs to the ocean.
- You can google how Maui will die (in mythology)...it's not a thing showable in any Disney film...
- Confirmed: He gets his own song called "You're Welcome". Said song also has rap in it.
- The rap part doesn't surprise me. Lin-Manuel Miranda is one of the composers.
- Confirmed: He gets his own song called "You're Welcome". Said song also has rap in it.
- Jossed on a technicality: The blue pendant contains the Heart of Te Fiti.
- Jossed on a technicality: It's actually his friend who dies at sea during a storm when they went sailing late one night.
- Confirmed. She's not a water-spirit, but she resurrects the tradition of way-finding after her people spent centuries forbidding it, is shown to have a fascination for the ocean from early age on, and is The Chosen One by / of the ocean itself.
- As for the name of "Vaiana" that was the movie title and main character's name in European and Asian countries: "Vaiana" apparently is also a word for water in some Polynesian languages, only it refers to freshwater instead of salt water... So Disney still made a try there but it's definitely a less fitting title.
- Let's face it — Moana's granny would consider Lilo a kid after her own heart. If not descendants, then Lilo is what she came back as after a few lives as various sea creatures.
- Maybe Stitch found a time machine.
- Jossed. The only similarity it has to Tarzan is that it's not the showtune-y musical that Disney typically gives us.
- Considering that Moana takes place around 1000 B.C., and Finding Nemo in modern times (considering the depiction of the dentist's office, it's at least late-20th century), and no sea turtle lives 3000 years (Crush himself says he's only 150): the baby turtle in this movie can't be the actual Crush, but could be an ancestor.
- I'm not an expert on this, but I'm fairly sure that modern Polynesians live like they've always lived.
- Sea-turtle lifespans/generations are nowhere NEAR connected to "how modern is this society." You can use an iPhone and still be strongly connected to your culture.
- I'm not an expert on this, but I'm fairly sure that modern Polynesians live like they've always lived.
As for the part of Moana being the inspiration behind Rohe and Hina in the film universe, it could be Moana and Maui's marriage would cause all sorts of legends to happen to the point that her name is changed in a lot of communities. To many islanders she is Hina, while to the Moari she is Rohe.
- Considering the near-incomprehensible age difference between them, the fact that she's human and he's a demi-god (which would make it an Interspecies Romance, plus he'd have the agony to live on forever after her deathnote , and there never was even the tiniest hint of romantic interest between them (actually, they weren't even friendly to each other in any way intitially, and the fact that by the end of the movie they had grown to be somewhat amicably to each other was a major breackthrough)... Just Squick, no.
- What I can see happening is that later in life (possibly in the sequel?) Maui will meet one of his wives in one of the travels with Moana. And while he's all flustered about it, I can see Moana playing matchmaker with the two (can either be with the thing of the moon with Hina or the swapping faces with Rohe. It's a cute idea and it's something very Disney-ish, so I could see it as a possibility.
- Lilo hangs out with a fish named "Pudge" who she claims can control the weather. What if that fish was actually a demi-god of the sea and wind who was also a shapeshifter (and hero to all)?
- Te Ka is essentially Te Fiti's Heartless too, giving a good reason for why Te Ka will be in a Kingdom Hearts game as a boss.
- Also Moana's original desire to see what's past her island is very similar to Sora, Kairi, and Riku's initial goal in the beginning of the first Kingdom Hearts game.
- Jossed. Interviews confirm that they were inspired by Mad Max: Fury Road. Minions were never mentioned.
There is one little hole in this theory; Moana (who has had the Heart of Ti Fiti on her island for years) has had no such attacks brought on to her and the Heart until after she finds Maui. The only supernatural phenomenon she ever encounters before then was interactions with the Spirit of the Pacific Ocean (who not only was the one who gave her the Heart, but is more of a True Neutral force) and the decay of life on Motunui (which is more of a "general" problem for all of Oceania due to the Heart's absence).
Why Maui would be the beacon himself is a bit more debatable. Odds are, because Maui has become famous for stealing the Heart of Te Fiti, everyone targets him specifically because everyone assumes that he would have it. In other circumstances, its possible that as a demigod (even without his hook), he naturally exudes an attraction to oddities, hence how he was able to encounter and do a variety of amazing and impossible things.
The movie will take place before any of the existing Princess movies, and earlier in the film it will have been established subtly that the day is shorter than 24-hours at this point in time. The villain will be quite surprised at how long the sun takes to come up, giving the good guys time to set their escape plan into motion.
The movie will never explain this, but anyone who saw Moana will be chuckling as they realize Maui is on the other side of the planet, lassoing the Sun and extending the length of the days...
Possibly including her father. It's just most of them never realized what they had to do, or actually went and attempted, or like her father and his best friend got killed or dissuaded.
Te Fiti in her true form bears an uncanny resemblance to Moana. This may explain why Moana was The Chosen One, and ultimately the one to restore Te Fiti's heart.
- Wouldn't the two not be able to exist together in the same point in time though?
Specifically after some kind of global warming apocalypse where Polynesians are the only survivors — and Maui. Maui was an orphan from this pre-flood civilisation, who was experimented on, resulting in his immortality. Many of the stories he tells have a scientific explanation — albeit with some made up bits as well. 'Inventing coconuts' = created genetically enhanced coconuts that provide nutritionally balanced fruit. 'Pulling up islands' = a geological survey to find new lands, or artificially creating land.The idea of putting stones on the mountain to make the island taller speaks to an ancestral memory of sea level rise. It explains where all the gold in Tamatoa's hoard came from. This is also why they talk about princesses... when there isn't a single monarchy in sight.
- Maybe, but it definitely seemed like the reference to princesses had a lot more to do with Maui being a Meta Guy.
- Might also explain Tamatoa's references to pirates and stuff, though some of it was probably fourth-wall breaking.
- Alternatively, Maui is the Maui of Polynesian mythology and he stole the Heart because he felt he was being forgotten by modern civilization, which caused a supervolcanic eruption that reset civilization to the stone age.
- All unlikely.
- Notice that at least a couple dozen people land on Motonui in the "We Know the Way" sequence. A thousand years later, there are still only a few dozen people in the village. There is no indication that measures are being taken to control the population, so very likely what has happened is that no one on Motonui has been able to have more than one child for many generations.
- Actually, with every couple having only one child for many generations, the population would very quickly decline rather than just stay the same. Or are you suggesting that the population has grown for many generations, then declined again thanks to the curse?
- On that note, after Te Ka's curse is lifted, it's entirely possible Moana will become a big sister. Her mother appears to still be of childbearing age, so perhaps there will be siblings all around.
- Not very likely because the coconut tree is widely regarded as the Polynesian Tree of Life. Maybe someone just cursed some coconuts somewhere along the line.
- Related to this, the golden flower in Tangled happened because Maui lassoed the sun.
- There will eventually be a Crisis Crossover movie featuring characters from every movie in this Shared Universe up to that point. This will include both Moana and Maui, filling the water and wind slots of the elemental team.
- Also, the trolls are related to Te Fiti. Both are made of earth (rocks/land), and when they are asleep, they both look like the rocks or island that they are made of.
- Furthermore, consider the major feats he recites: Lassoing the sun to lengthen the days (more sunlight makes it easier to grow plants), pulling up islands from the ocean and teaching humans to use the winds to sail to them (more space for settlements), stealing fire (so we can cook meat, among numerous other things), creating the first coconuts (major food source)... every one of those feats very directly helps ensure that no parent will ever again be forced to abandon their child as Maui was abandoned.
- Unlikely. The Toba Catastrophe was 75000 years ago. Polynesian civilization is not nearly that old.
Anyway, so Sebastian finds the lamp. First wish? Maybe he wants to live forever. As he goes on living forever and watches Ariel and everybody he knows die, he begins to change mentally. He clings to what he has and becomes more vain to cover up his depression. He even takes up Ariel's old habit of collecting human stuff. As time progresses, he doesn't want to be a small crab easily pushed around. So his second wish is for his giant form. (made another WMG for the third wish). The vast differences in character can be explained by Sebastian going mad with immortality. The loss in accent just happened naturally - it happens all the time in real life, and would almost be assured for a lifespan of millennia. Difference in color scheme could be explained by Sebastian seeing himself as the villain, and wanted to match the biggest villain he knew - Ursula. So when he wished to be a giant, he told Genie to make him a purple giant crab.
We also know that Maui and Tamatoa used to be friends (until the disagreement that prompted Maui to tear off one of his legs). As an immortal crab, Maui may have been his only friend for centuries. Perhaps even when Sebastian was still small before his wish to be a giant.
What supports this? Number one is the lamp seen in the treasure pile next to Maui's hook. Second, Tamatoa not only has a song (hardly surprising, every talking character sings) but he actively enjoyed the song and asks Moana and Maui if they liked it. Remember, Sebastian is a composer, and I guess some things don't change. Third, Tamatoa's song: "Tamatoa didn't always used to be so fab| I was a drab little crab once". So we know Tamatoa was once an ordinary crab.
Lastly, what was one of the first observations Genie made when Aladdin awakened him? He said that Aladdin was a lot smaller than his last master. So, who could that former master be? Perhaps a giant crab?
Note that the Magic Carpet in Aladdin has the purple and gold color scheme that Tamatoa has. And we first see the Magic Carpet in a place full of gold. And Genie and Carpet clearly know each other as they greet as soon as Genie comes out of the lamp.
As to why the Carpet in Aladdin isn't as evil as Tamatoa, for one consider its been 10,000 years (we know because Genie says it's been as long since his last master). Also, Tamatoa was never quite that evil - all he does is eat and be vain. Also in the end credits, Tamatoa mentions his old life as Sebastian, so perhaps he was already feeling remorse.
Some treasure was converted into Carpet's gold trim, but Tamatoa guarded the lamp and other treasure. Over time, somehow (a lot can happen in 10,000 years), this treasure ends up in the Cave of Wonders.
To put all of this in context, they make a point that Maui has been trapped alone on that island for hundreds, perhaps even thousands of years. With no one to talk to but himself, he kept himself from cracking completely on that island by hallucinating an imaginary friend of sorts, and who would someone as narcissistic as Maui imagine as company? Himself of course, thinking that tattoos of himself on his body are capable of holding a conversation with him. It also acts as a manifestation of his superego, wishing for him to act like a true hero in situations when he himself consciously does not.
- The theory is partly Jossed. Moana does react to the tattoos moving. When Mini-Maui shoots her a wink at the start of "You're Welcome", she visibly reacts in surprise.
- And we know from Maui's backstory that a human can be turned into a demigod, so it's not such a stretch that the Ocean might have made Moana a demigoddess, possibly as a side-effect of choosing her when she was a baby.
- The setting is meant to be around 2000 years ago as a hypothetical proto-Polynesia, so its unlikely unless the sequel decides to explore the different island cultures branching out.
- Definitely a Seeker Calling, and would probably belong to the Court of Swords. Holy Shield explains how she is capable of taking blows that should have seriously injured her without any visible sign, and Celestial Grace could explain how she pulls off some of her acrobatic and athletic feats.
- Crazy mass guessing, just because. Mr. Krabs is basically a demi-god in Spongebob...who's to say he didn't take his money obsession WAY too far before discovering Krabby Patties? Tamatoa is obsessed with 'shiny' things...Krabs is obsessed with money. Both are (more or less) willing to kill for what's basically gold. Both are REALLY old. Both have long-term rivalries with another....Tamatoa found a better way to get shiny things. Being a businessman and selling cheap food. Tamatoa even says: "I just love free food"...which is VERY close to what Mr. Krabs says in Band Geeks "When do we get the free food?". No, it doesn't make sense, but this is what WMG is about.