Another possiblity is at some point Megamind did/committed a crime SO Horribly WRONG that Metro Man had to erase Megamind's well..mind and personality of the horrific event ala Dr. Light (thus explaining his Affable Evilness), However he simply accepted his 88 Life sentences because
- Jail has always been his home since nearly birth.
- Megamind has always seen himself as genuinely evil. Regardless of whether he remembered what he had done, he easily accepted his punishment.
- Sure, he had just killed Metro Man, but an entire wall of people with guns shouldn't have just dropped their weapons when he was taking over the city hall. Yes, he had his robots and a light show, but he didn't have any known protection against bullets and his robots are easy to take out. Presumably, he has demonstrated that he will kill non-heroes in the past, and he seemed very jumpy with his gun when people started closing in on him later in the movie. It was just luck that he was using a probably non-lethal weapon and had someone to calm him
- He's just killed the most powerful superhero in the world. They're absolutely terrified of him, and the only person who has ever managed to bring him down is now dead. At that moment, they probably think he's practically invulnerable, and who can blame them, really? As for his robots 'being easy to take out', we never see anyone without superpowers actually do this, and there's absolutely no way for them to know this; for all they knew, one false move his robots would tear them apart (they do have big heavy bitey jaws).
- In most jurisdictions in the United States, kidnapping receives a life sentence. Given how many times Megamind had kidnapped Roxanne Ritchi, that would probably account for all the life sentences. If he had really killed so many people, he probably would have gotten the death penalty, especially considering that that prison could not hold him.
- By being a serial kidnapper rather than a mass murderer (who turns out didn't really kill Metro Man), this also allows Megamind to remain as a sympathetic character.
- And then there's the thought of what must be millions to billions of dollars worth of property damage over his career.
- I like to think he just enjoys the challenge of breaking out of such high security facilities, so he intentionally gets his charges as ridiculous as possible.
- While this would be an awesome WMG, she probably knows all about deathtraps due to being kidnapped (and rescued) more times than Princess Peach.
- You realized it's a Dreamworks production, don't you?
- Yeeeees, just because it's Dreamworks doesn't mean they can't have emotional drama. They have been getting better in recent years.
- This is plausible, because the minions in Despicable Me never died, and the makers of this film could've decided to make the movie Darker and Edgier than Despicable Me.
- Actually it seems like this near the end but it just turns out that Minion is a drama queen.
- And it makes sense, since only his suit was damaged. The guy is still just a FISH.
- ^^^ Actually, his water-helmet also took a lot of damage, to the point of all the water draining from it. Considering that he is a fish, he actually was in danger of dying for a while.
- He's an alien fish-like thing. For all we know, he's perfectly fine out of water but simply prefers it for comfort.
- He has no problem talking without water, which means he can breathe just fine.
- Even perfectly-normal fish don't die out of water until their gills dry out. Minion had plenty of time to ham it up.
- Indeed. According to the extended trailer, Minion was supposed to be his sidekick.
- Interestingly, in the actual film, you never actually hear his father say anything except that he has a destiny.
- It sounded like "greatness" to me. Or at least, great something. It was just a little muffled.
- Interestingly, in the actual film, you never actually hear his father say anything except that he has a destiny.
- The gun glowed again after he drain Metro Man's powers, from Hal, maybe he'll give them to Roxy!
- This troper was thinking the same thing regarding giving Roxy powers. Hell, he might even be able to both turn her into an alien like him AND give her Metro Man's powers!
- This troper wouldn't bet on it. The only possible source for DNA from Megamind's race is Megamind himself, and if he infused Roxy with that, it would raise Squicky implications about him continuing to date someone who would, in effect, have become his biological relative.
- That's assuming Roxy would want to become an alien like him. It could just as easily go the other way, with Megamind deciding to turn himself human, possibly with Bernard's DNA if Roxy still likes Bernard's looks.
- Also as many works of science fiction have No Biochemical Barriers, it may also be possible that they could conceive a Half-Human Hybrid child.
- You may be on to something, although it may be "group of supervillains" instead. The Wii game plugs being a sequel and introducing the "Doom Syndicate".
- Also Minion resembles RO-man from robot monster a bit
- The whole Shared Universe theory for these films holds a lot of water. They both serve as an Affectionate Parody on Silver Age entertainment, monster flicks and comics respectively. They share similar design concepts and seem to obey the same general rules. Maybe DreamWorks plans to do a crossover film in the future?
- I'm pretty sure that was obvious. Not really a WMG so much as an in-universe What Could Have Been.
He's doing community service now. Being a superhero.
- He's also still imprisoned; not only does he have eighty-eight consecutive life-sentences to serve, but it's also the only place he'd ever truly consider to be home. Key thing is, however, it's still a Cardboard Prison, meaning he can still break out whenever he wants or needs to (and given his Heel–Face Turn the authorities are more inclined to look the other way / make things easier for him to do so); he just breaks out to do good instead of evil this time.
- Except we see Hal occupying Megamind's cell at the end. Given the city's gratitude and how much he's reformed, it would be pretty rude for them to boot Megamind out of his childhood bedroom, or foist an annoying roommate who hates his guts off onto him.
- They upgraded him to a nicer 'cell'.
- Except we see Hal occupying Megamind's cell at the end. Given the city's gratitude and how much he's reformed, it would be pretty rude for them to boot Megamind out of his childhood bedroom, or foist an annoying roommate who hates his guts off onto him.
- Given that Megamind doesn't appear to have changed his stylings at all during the dedication of the Megamind Museum at the end of the film, the above seems a fairly safe bet, though this troper thought of it more along the lines of him being a hero with his former villanous persona's M.O. (meaning cunning on-the-fly Indy Ploys, convoluted schemes and traps (should another villian happen to show up in the future), lots and lots of black leather and so on), which really is pretty much the same thing when you think about it, just with a more positive "spin".
- You basically just described Batman but with a bigger personality and bolder sense of humour.
- He was burnt out from being a hero, but Metro City has a new hero now. Maybe he'll decide it's time for him to see how much fun he has being a hammy harmless music-themed villain instead.
- The timing's even right. Somebody at Dreamworks saw DH back in 2008, and decided to make a pure comedy version of the rip-your-heart-out-and-stomp-on-it Joss Whedon tragicomedy.
Also the Wii games mentioned a new league of evil called the Doom Syndicate and a Mega Team with one of the screenshots showing Metro Man, Megamind, Minion and even Hal fighting side by side, and supposedly picks up where the movie left off. Smells like a pitch for a CGI animated series to me. It might work~ in wake of the new threat, Megamind forms a justice league and gives the powers extracted from Metro Man to Roxie, and Metro Man comes out of retirement and hiding to join the league (After all, for once he'll be facing a different adversary). In the meantime, Hal gets broken out of prison and is recruited by Doom Syndicate which is in fact a front for Galaxhar's attempt to invade the planet, and is granted superpowers and transformed back to Tighten as Galaxhar is impressed by the wanton destruction Hal has caused in the movie. Tighten proceeds to be the Monster of the Week of the first episode until he finds Galaxhar's true motives for invading and Galaxhar's plans for him once he's outlived his usefulness. Tighten then does a Heel–Face Turn for good and defects to the Mega Team. If they want to include a B-Plot, it could involve the public's reaction to Metro Man's relevation that he's alive, and subsequently their distrust in him for abandoning them and thus Metro Man has to not only re-earn the confidence of the public, but make them understand that even superheroes need time out.
Nah, too cliche...
- I knew he reminded me of someone!
- Metrocity as a reference to monstrosity/atrocity, and 'olo' because no one has ever called him before.
- Because of all the Superman parallels, I took the "Metrocity" pronunciation as an allusion to "Metropolis", since they both have the same syllable stresses (me-TRAW-sit-tee). I thought it was just a clever way of showing how Genre Savvy Mega Mind was.
- Add to that, he's quite isolated and never really interacts with others, making him naive to the ways of the world, which how most autistics are. And that he can build a ton of complex contrapions, which I can presume that he imagines all in his head. He's also a bit anti-social with others (Mostly seen through Bernard)
- I was thinking more of a speech impairment, but autism is also an option. Not to mention that when the crowd tried to get near him, he got out his gun and started to threaten at everyone like they were going to hurt him.
- They had only known him as a supervillain up until then. He might not have realized he was being forgiven. I think he just has impaired social skills, he seems to have spent most of his life with minimal human(figuratively speaking) contact besides Minion and Metro Man.
- This is outrightly stated in the movie, right after Megamind pulled out his blaster:
- Roxie: (to the townspeople) No no! It's okay! He's just not used to positive feedback.
- To all of the above: no. He's simply someone who reads his brain out and doesn't ever actually use the words in conversations (seeing as he doesn't really ever TALK to anyone). This troper is not autistic, and yet after twenty four years she can't seem to wrap her mind around the fact that "forage" does not rhyme with "garage".
- And as to why he doesn't pronounce Metro City correctly even after being corrected countless times - it's probably habit, or stubbornness.
- The above point has merit. Note that when he and Roxie are exchanging things they've never told anyone else, he catches himself as he starts to say "shul", and instead says "school" quite clearly. He knows the right way to say things, he just says them the wrong way to ham it up, to the point where it is now habit. This habit is shown when he nearly says "shul" to Roxie, and then again when he does says "Metrocity" to Titan.
- And as to why he doesn't pronounce Metro City correctly even after being corrected countless times - it's probably habit, or stubbornness.
- Also consider that Metro Man stole the school away for the "good" kids before Megamind got to graduate. He may not have gotten to learn some pronunciations. (Probably unrelated, but this Troper is slightly autistic, has an autismdar for fictional characters, and didn't pick up any vibes from Megamind whatsoever.)
- That's a well made point, as a fellow autistic there's not too much in there. Speaking of which, what other fictional characters set off your "Autismdar"?
- I also sustain this objection, though I do think Megamind's circumstances could be causing him to simulate certain autistic behaviors. As some have noted, everyone acts autistic on the internet, from actual autistics to total extroverts, because body language and other visual cues aren't available to pick up the way they are in face-to-face interaction. Being a social outcast is what made interacting normally with other people difficult for Megamind. Of course he would pull a gun on the crowd: when had he ever been surrounded by a crowd that wasn't hostile to him? Yet, when he was disguised as Bernard, he flirted freely and successfully with Roxy and was friendly and outgoing with everyone; he could easily have been the life of the party anywhere he went. If I were to suspect anyone of autism, it'd be Hal, except that he strikes me as more anti-social than anything else.
- At least some of his mispronunciations might be things he picked up from the criminals he grew up among, who could have used them as in-joke slang (e.g. "Metrocity" as a bad pun about how it's an atrocity for the city to have locked them up; "ollo" as a handy compromise between Spanish-speaking and English-speaking prisoners' greetings).
- Still another possibility would be that Megamind's parents spoke a language in which certain sound-combinations used in English didn't exist. His fast-growing alien brain had attuned itself to their speech-patterns prior to birth or in the 8 days his family had together, much as human babies' auditory brain-regions do. It's not that he's careless with his pronunciation: it's that he literally can't hear the difference between "school" and "shool", and has to make a conscious effort to say such words correctly in spite of this.
- Just a reminder: He's also an alien.
- It could be something that happens when he uses said super-speed, as opposed to a general, all-the-time thing. He had time to get something to eat, read a few books, do a lot of soul searching, and fly a kite in the nanoseconds before he was supposedly "killed". If he does stuff like that a lot, he could have aged years at accelerated speeds - and, as a bonus, it would explain why it doesn't seem to be one of his well-known powers. He's realized what's happening when he uses it, so he doesn't do it often.
- ... Or, if you want to be boring: his graying temples and relative maturity are side effects of the stress involved with being the personal hero of an incredibly helpless city.
- That, and it's a shameless Take That! at Superman, who is apparently the one person worth getting to safety on his entire planet.
- More like the only one with a parent who actually believed that the world was coming to an end... and happened to be an engineer capable of creating a prototype escape vehicle that just so happened to fit one Kryptonian infant. It's entirely possible that neither of their planets saw the black hole coming, or something prevented them from leaving en masse.
- The commentary track on the DVD confirms this.
- Well, maybe not exactly in love, but he was always trying to impress her (and everyone else in Metro City), and the desire to impress a girl is a kind of infatuation that's not too far different from being in love with her.
- Note also when Minion suggests they kidnap Roxanne again because it always cheers him up, Megamind's face for a moment just lights up before he realizes that, without Metro Man, he has no reason to.
- Seems like a lot of people are accepting 'Wayne Scott' as Metro Man's real name but mostly don't have any idea about Megamind's. Personally, I love the idea of his real name being Buddy and it makes sense, in a way. I mean, he would have been named by the criminals who raised him, right? Maybe they nicknamed him Buddy (while thinking of a proper name?) and over time that just became his name. Or maybe he would only respond to Buddy?
- 'Wayne Scott' was Metro Man/Uberman's real name in the original 'Mastermind' screenplay, and given that his parents are still credited as 'Lord and Lady Scott' in the film's credits, it's not too much of a stretch that the name was kept. Megamind/Mastermind's real name in the screenplay was 'Bubsy'.
- Which is also a very named-by-criminals sounding name. Though I prefer Buddy.
- 'Wayne Scott' was Metro Man/Uberman's real name in the original 'Mastermind' screenplay, and given that his parents are still credited as 'Lord and Lady Scott' in the film's credits, it's not too much of a stretch that the name was kept. Megamind/Mastermind's real name in the screenplay was 'Bubsy'.
- Since the criminals seem to treat Megamind like a pet or a nephew in the begining Little Buddy makes sence as his earth given name. Don't know why Metro Man's mother would name him Mr. Goody Two shoes. Note Megamind might know his given name from home.
- But Buddy is already a supervillain's given name...
- Although a newscaster says that citizens are 'fleeing the city in a mass exodus' before the final showdown with Titan.
- I don't know about this one. If Metro Man was a parody of Superman, he and his race would not have had super speed on their homeworld, only on Earth.
- His parents look older in his flashback than he does in the story.
- Also part of why human teenagers act the way they do is because their brains are still developing, Megamind's bigger brain would take longer to become like an adults and so he'd at least act more immature for longer than a human and maybe Metro Man.
- They weren't telling him to become a villain or a hero - they were telling him to make up his own path.
- In the trailer he was destined for greatness, although it turned out differently in the movie.
- For that matter, "greatness" leaves a lot of latitude for interpretation; Adolf Hitler and Winston Churchill were both "great" men... but for very different reasons, and in complete opposition to each other. Metro Man and Megamind are also very "great" men throughout the movie, also for very different reasons, albeit not in such complete opposition as they might appear to be at first.
- They could have told him he was destined for earth.
- So Metro Man is going from Superman to The Question?
- Titan=Giant (a morally "big" person).
- Tighten=To constrict (iron-fisted rule).
- His origin is along the lines of a Golden Age superhero's origin, complete with rival since childhood (a la Superman and Lex Luthor)
- He then begins to develop all sorts of strange gadgets and odd technology, just like the Silver Age heroes did (Batman's gadgets anyone?)
- Then, the original hero is replaced with a new one as a Bronze Age arc (just like the original X-men team did in 1975)
- Next, this new hero turns out evil and spends his time running around as a anti hero and then full on villain, leading to a Dark Age
- Finally, Megamind defeats the dark age character and saves the day, creating a new optimistic view, like the Modern Age.
- The fact that Metro Man's parents are the ones who didn't give their child a companion who would love and care for him, like Megamind's did, might just back up this theory. Neither family could know where their kid would end up, but only one couple was decent enough to ensure their son would never be alone: something even Superman's folks didn't think of doing.
- Or...
- OR...
- OR...
- The discipline thing is important - Megamind may be Genre Savvy but he's also pretty conservative in how he uses his inventions, and there's little collatoral damage. And if you're thinking 'because it's a kid's film' remember how much Titan destroys in comparison.
- I'm a big believer in "Nature Vs Nurture" myself - something which can turn good people into bad people, and bad people into good people. Good parents vs mediocre parents. A positive enviroment vs a negative enviroment. If Megamind had wound up with the rich, but emotionally distant parents, he might have ended up an even more dangerous supervillain, something along the lines of wealthy and brilliant Jerkasses Green Goblin or Lex Luthor.
- Similarly, for the Flying Brick that is Metro Man, but also being pretty smart, growing up with criminal influences would have meant that rather than using genius for evil, he'd be using muscle for evil, possibly even ending up as somebody like Bane, or at best The Sandman. In the end, the path he took protected them both.
Perceptive as he is in this regard, it can't have escaped his notice either that every one of Megamind's "evil" schemes was more to impress the city's residents (especially Roxy) than to achieve any truly practical villainous goal. (A "cheese typhoon" and "illiteracy beam" sound like they'd be... rather interesting to see, actually, but also thoroughly impractical, and mostly harmless.) That, combined with the realization that his picking on Megamind and hogging everyone's attention as a kid was probably at the root of Megamind's efforts to impress the crowds now led to a psychological breakthrough: realizing that his battles with Megamind really were just an empty show, and Megamind could just as easily keep the show running without him; realizing further that Megamind wouldn't really do the city or its people any permanent harm once he'd succeeded in impressing them with his victory, and soon get just as bored with their affirmation of his ingenuity as Metro Man had before him; and realizing that letting Megamind win would therefore be the most selfless and heroic sacrifice of them all, atoning for everything he'd ever done to him as a kid.
While he didn't anticipate every twist and turn that would follow, Metro Man really did know what he was doing, and really is just as kind and compassionate a hero as the people of the city thought him to be. While he probably will continue to use his powers from time to time for people's benefit, he'll only do so in ways that put other people's needs first and allow him to stay out of the spotlight. He's got all the fame and glory he ever wanted, has nothing left to prove, and has reached the height of his moral maturity. From a certain point of view, his story has the happiest ending of anyone's.
- somewhat supported I think by the fact that the school meagmind gose to is outside of the city, with a small number of students. And unrelated, but the school is a "gifted" school. So the warden (probably) was trying to foster his intelligence in a more positive environment.
- This must be why they came to love Megamind even after "killing" the man they loved.
- Megamind missing the days when he was a villain.
- The rise of the Doom Syndicate like in the games.
- A Roxanne x Megamind relationship.
- Megamind faking his death and Hal creating a new superhero.
- Bernard becoming a supervillain. He never looked that happy to begin with and in the stinger, we see him in Megamind's washing machine.
- Megamind trying to win the trust of other superheroes, who still resent him for Metro Man's death or don't believe his Heel–Face Turn is genuine, and/or dealing with his former associates in the supervillain community, who now see him as a traitor.
It provides a good explanation for why they would just go from hating him to loving him, especially considering that at least to their knowledge, Metro Man - if actually a separate person - was still dead.
- Heck, he doesn't need to invent anything new, he could just rework his "dehydrated trash" idea into something more practical! By eliminating all the moisture in trash, it would burn much more efficiently, giving Waste-to-energy plants a boost!
- The first reason why Metroman will have three identities is, according to him, to make it harder for enemies to find out who he really is.
- The second reason why Metroman will have three identities is that each of them provide something useful for Metroman as a superhero: Metroman would give him an identity to use his superhuman powers and combat abilities, the singer Music Man/whatever Music Man's "real name" will help him have something to kick back, relax, and have fun to blow off some steam, and wealthy businessman Wayne Scott would give him the money he needs to purchase crime-fighting equipment should he ever encounter an enemy that would require more than just his powers to defeat.
- It will be explained that Metroman "faking" his death was really just an elaborate high-tech solid hologram created to emulate a human's body (or a humanoid alien's body in the case of Metro Man's).
- Metroman really did die in the first Megamind movie, but his weakness is NOT really copper. His real weaknesses are black sunlight (referencing Superman's lesser known weakness to red sunlight), the radioactive alien rock Yionite (referencing Superman's most well known weakness to Kryptonite), magic (referencing Superman being affected by magic just like most other beings in the DC Universe), and a rare earth metal that Megamind was lucky to find even though he had no idea what it was but lined it into the building Metroman was trapped in, Megamind thinking it was reinforced copper at first. For whatever reason, Megamind decided to line that building with what he thought was "reinforced copper" (Megamind can be a ditz at times, even though he often blames his ditzy moments on Minion).
- Once this is revealed, Megamind will still be charged with second degree murder (because even though Metroman was resurrected by an Expy of the healing pods that brought Superman back to life, Metroman still died before the resurrection, obviously, so that still counts as a murder).
- However, Megamind will be given an alternate sentence in the form of being placed in a government strike team made up of former supervillains given a chance to shave time off their prison sentences, in other words Megamind will join what is basically the kid's movie version of the Suicide Squad.
While the scene where Hal says that the Queen of England doesn't exist right after saying the same about the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy is meant to stabilish him as a moron who might have grow completely ruthless but keeps his dumbass ways from before, i thought of an alternate take to it: the Queen of England is 'genuinely a myth in Megamind's universe - or at the very least, her position is non-existent anymore.
What do i mean with that? My guess is that Megamind's universe is actually an Alternate History where some events in our world went differently, and amongst them is that Britain became a republic instead of staying as a constitutional monarchy - thus, the Queen is genuinely a long-gone position that only exists as part of history (Though from a technical viewpoint the position of "Queen of England" doesn't exist in our universe either, in this case the position doesn't exist from both a Rules Lawyer and practical viewpoint). Alternatively, "The Queen of England" is a tale told in this universe in a similar way to how in our world Arthurian Myths are very famous both in England and outside of them, with the "Queen of England" being a character that exists as part of these myths. In other words, Hal was actually not being a complete idiot when he said that the Queen doesn't exist in his world.
- He lives in a crappy apartment under a bridge.
- He has no close friends or social life to speak of. For all we know, Roxxie is the closest thing to a companion he has. (Ouch. No WONDER why he's so desperate :/)
- He has a tremendous degree of social awkwardness.
- He not only has no serious moral compass but lacks any vision or sense of planning: even if he isn't a genuinely good guy, he could still play the good guy for fame, attention, and some kind of salary, but blows this opportunity on an idiotic tantrum. The mayor greets him with genuine gratitude, and Hal chooses to flick him away like a high school bully.
So what kind of past did Hal have to make him so broken of a human being? there are a few possibilities:
- A family that was either abusive, neglectful, or overtly indulgent.
- He was bullied in school throughout his entire life.
- Some of kind of developmental or personality disorder that went untreated throughout his life.