- The real/original Ultimate Universe Nick fury◊ who doesn't resemble Samuel L. Jackson was replaced by 616 Marcus Johnson for some unknown reason.
- He exists "simultaneously" between both worlds yet his appearance in the 616 universe (2012) takes place before he arrived in the Ultimate Universe (late 2001).
- The recent Fantastic Four #605 comic showed that Reed Richards is 51 years old (being born in 1961, the year the first FF comic came out). Sue's age was more ambiguous, however close inspection seems to show she was also born in the 60s meaning her minimum age would be 43 (she's younger than Reed, being 12 when he was in college). We can assume Ben about the same age as Reed considering they were college roomates. Johnny is a bit more ambiguous, in the classic comics he was 16 when he became the human torch (616 would presumably follow those same rules). If we follow the sliding timeline introduced from retcons like heroes reborn and House of M Johnny was 16 in 1996 (when the heroes reborn comic was published which started with the FF). Meaning he is currently 32 years old.
- Peter got started when he was 15 years old (according to the Civil War). He became Spider-man an undisclosed yet short time after the FF got started. Currently Peter's age would range from 29-31 years old.
- Jessica Jones was in high school with Peter.
- Founding team is probably about the same age as Peter and Johnny.
- Bobby "Iceman" Drake is generally implied (with stories like Spider-man and his amazing friends) to be around the same age as Peter and Johnny. Though possibly a bit younger to distinguish his age from the other founding X-men.
- In 2010 Incredible Hulk 611 had a flash back of a young Dr. Banner from "30 years ago". Bruce looked like he was around 5 or 6 years old judging by his size and and outfit. In 2012 Bruce would be either 37 or 38 years old.
- Apparently around the same age as Bruce. Briefly went out with Johnny storm. Early to mid thirties (34 to 36 years old).
- Born in 1922, became Captain America in 1941 was frozen in 1945 (age 23). How old he is depends heavily on the time he "woke up". Though you can be certain it happened after the FF got started in 1996 (based on the previous post).
- The Avengers got started (according to the Marvel database) "months" after the FF got started. Captain America is not an original member, but almost immediately after defrosting he joined the team. At the maximum, Cap woke up in 1996 and at the minimum 1997. In 2012 Cap is 39 or 40 years old.
- Alternately, Franklin has no powers and the entire MU is all his delusion.
- Johnny never died in the negative zone. He was actually rescued at the nick of time by Lyja who was also last seen in the Negative zone a few months prior. Before he returns they will rekindle their relationship. Lyja will come back with Johnny, pregnant with their son Torus Storm.
- Wasn't sure if everyone knew the news yet, ergo I hid the spoilers.
- Additionally Johnny's return won't (immediately) revive the team because he's going to be replaced by the more efficient Original Human Torch Jim Hammond. Needless to say he'll be pretty hurt knowing he was replaced so easily.
- Johnny has returned, though the details seem to be a bit different.
- Wasn't sure if everyone knew the news yet, ergo I hid the spoilers.
- This was a plot-point in Alan Davis' 2006 miniseries Fantastic Four: The End. Far in the 616-future, after a vaguely-defined Mutant War had wiped out that, er, species to the point of being Un Personed (other than their collective deadness), Reed Richards created something called a Methuselah Treatment that extended life-spans, but also upped the dosage on fatalism and depression. So...kind of useless in a What the Hell, Hero? way.
- Judging from the current state of the Marvel Universe, a weaker form of that treatment is already in the water...
- A formula that reduces aging and extends lifespans? Sounds like Nick Fury's Infinity Formula.
- Actually, it sounds exactly like modern, real-life technology, complete with too much "length of life" and not enough "quality of life."
- Can robots use magic?
- "Any sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
- There have been several MU robots and machines that use magic. The New Salemites used them, for example.
- There could have been an original Victor Doom, but he's long since been replaced by Doombots-ironically the very replicas used to avoid Villian Decay have managed to be better than him.
- Firebird of the West Coast Avengers comes up with a reason for this. She learns that her powers are not direct control of heat or fire, but of random molecular motion. This explains how fire-heroes can generate heat and turn air into plasma, and also how they can fly — they unconsciously direct molecular movement of the plasma around them in specific directions, giving them buoyancy and thrust. It also explains Sunfire's protective plasma field and implies that all Marvel fire-powered heroes have potentially far greater applications of their powers than they are aware of. But, since this tends to be a Personality Power for the Hot-Blooded, it's unlikely that most will have the mental discipline to develop these applications.
- If we were to attribute Johnny's powers as a manifestation of molecular motion, then we could possibly attribute his sister's force fields as a similar form of molecular control that manifested differently.
- Pyro couldn't fly. Granted, he couldn't generate his own flames...but he certainly had complete manipulation of fire.
- No, but he can make fire form solid objects, something it shouldn't be able to do. So his power is clearly more than just reshaping flames. He just lacks the imagination to use his power for flight.
- Synch from Generation X should prove as to how smarts form how energy powers manifest since he could use his team-mate Chamber's powers to fly?
- So what you're saying is that telekinesis and pyrokinesis are closely related? Makes sense: the former is moving larger objects, the latter moving them at a molecular level - they're essentially the same power, the difference is one of scale. It also neatly accounts for Pyro's ability to make 'solid fire' objects.
- Certainly explains how a low level guy like Osborn got that kind of power.
- This troper assumes it's an Author's Saving Throw for Civil War to allow Marvel to claim that, notwithstanding the Word of God that readers were supposed to support the pro-reg side, this had always been planned from day one and that Civil War, Secret Invasion and Dark Reign, taken together, were intended to be a parable about why you shouldn't allow the government too much power, even when notionally "good" people (who will merely throw you into an extra-dimensional concentration camp without charges) are in power because less scrupulous men may follow them and abuse that power.
Because Wolverine didn't have a loophole desire, he can see past the illusion. No one is currently aware of this with the possible exception of the Watcher; but he, being the Watcher, is not allowed to interfere.
- That alone might make the whole thing worthwhile.
- I think that Disney and Marvel may do a Howard the duck and Donald the duck. Why, you may ask? Because it be awesome! and plausible! I though of it awhile ago.
- Confirmed. See the Marvel Database page for Gamm Mutants: "Gamma mutants are usually the result of exposure of gamma radiation to individuals who possess the "gamma" gene, which allows them to convert gamma radiation into a mutagenic change. In some cases, the change is permanent. In others, the change can occur when desired. The mutation is usually indicated by green coloration."
- And it was also confirmed (I think...) that Bruce inherited the Gamma gene due to his father constantly being exposed to radiation at work before conceiving Bruce.
- SO what about the U-foes or alternate universe F Fs.
- We've encountered other members of the Watcher race, and they also have a similar code and oath of non-interference. In fact, they've remarked that Uatu is, by Watcher standards, misbehaving, delinquent and too emotionally involved.
- Also, check out some of the other characters that were restored by Layla. You've got Spider-man, who sells his marriage (but not his soul) to Mephisto in One More Day. You've got Cyclops, who starts X-Force, a black ops team that goes against the peaceful co-existence that the X-Men have gone for in the past. You've got Emma Frost, who uses a Deadly Game to select students who will have continued education. You've got Doctor Strange, who starts using darker magic. Basically all of the characters who had their memories restored by Layla have been subject to some sort of derailment since House of M.
People in the Marvel Universe see people dying and then coming back. As a result, they slowly lose the ability to grieve since they are never sure if their loved ones will come come and they can't go on. It's like if a person goes missing, their loved ones can't grieve properly until they know for sure that person is dead. But this is worst since that person really is dead and when they come back, they throw everything in a loop. So, people lose fear of death and can't truly move on after death.
This explains why Marvel's top red-heads have been all but destroyed in recent years. Look at the list. Jean Grey; dead. Rachel Grey; lost in space with no writers interested in bringing her back. Scarlet Witch; went crazy, responsible for Decimation, generally reviled by the mutant community. Mary Jane Watson; marriage undone by Mephisto, all that character development she underwent since the mid-eighties being reversed in a matter of weeks. Conclusion; Joe Quesada has a pathological hatred of redheads and is taking it out on the redheads of the MU!
- Perfect Author's Saving Throw, because you can run with it forever without totally handwaving away the events. "The Hulk almost killed Uncle Ben! I hate him!" BAM. Planet Hulk. "The Fantastic Four are so much cooler than The Avengers!" BAM. Avengers Disassembled. "Why does everyone hate superheroes? Do they prefer supervillains or something?" BAM. Dark Reign. And his confusion over everyone flipping out like this all the time? "Are these guys all Skrulls, Daddy?" BAM. Secret Invasion.
- And its designated name is Earth-661, similar to how another mainstream universe has a twist on the 616 name(Earth-1610 in that case). Golden age stories are set on Earth-166.
- Why would that be true? There would still be plenty heroes and villains whose motivations aren't based off human-mutant tension. Of course, it would mean the X-Men wouldn't need to exist anymore, so this peace could only happen in the ever-shifting future of Earth-616.
- I agree. The human-mutant thing is an analogy for tensions between races, but even if all tensions between the races disappeared, there would still be crime - not to mention plenty of other sources of tension (religious, economic, political, insanity - all the same ones as in our world). And this being the Marvel Universe, there'd also be aliens invading, Mephisto corrupting, Thor and Loki battling down the length of eternity, and all the rest.
- I always thought it would be nice if they did a story set in the near-future where mutants were at least well on their way to being fully accepted.
- Even better: they are all summoned by Stan Lee himself, who claims they are the "chosen four".
- The High Evolutionary
- Maximus the Mad
Chaos magic like the kind Wanda sometimes uses is in a constant state of existential flux. This is why sometimes it explicitly doesn't exist while sometimes it does. This could also be a contributing factor to Wanda's occasional erratic behavior she's using magic that periodically just stops being real in the context of her reality.
She was also the Franks' kid...and the Maximoffs'. Her powershave repeatedly retconned her past (and by extension Pietro's). When she decided to put an end to mutants, she made herself not one, and changed parents again out of shame over Magneto's world.
Captain Universe is an anthropomorphization of the Unipower - an aspect of the Enigma Force, which is itself an energy field that dwarfs even that of the Power Cosmic in terms of sheer power - and one of the main purposes of the UniPower is to keep the Whirldemons at bay and from crossing over into reality and causing havoc.
The Golden Sentry Serum that Robert Reynolds ingested somehow connected him to the Enigma Force directly (rather than just a piece of it like the UniPower), giving him his near-limitless power, but also acting as a gateway for Whirldemons, which is where his "Void" persona comes from.
The official story is that the Sentry did exist as a Silver Age character, but somehow managed to mind-wipe everyone to forget about him. But if that's the case, how come the stories still turn out the same without him in them? His insertions are done very clumsily, along the lines of Mary Sue fanfic. That's because he did them himself. We've seen that a sufficiently powerful reality warper (Wanda) can change not only the present but also the past history of the Marvel Universe, so that everything was always the way that person thinks it should have been. Bob Reynolds is just a loser with delusions of grandeur... and one hell of a mutant superpower that lets him force the entire world to live out those delusions with him.
- with this wmg is true then he wouldn't be a loser he would be the most powerful man on earth who limits his power slightly
Whatever the Void appears to be right now as of Siege #3 (a black-red figure with scorpion legs of red energy coming out of his back), it appears to be a darkness embodied. I'm not sure since when Siege was set up from, but ever since Sentry showed up, we've gotten the above mentioned events, and the heroes have slowly been losing against the villains. We know Sentry's able to use telepathy to mind-wipe the entire world, so maybe it's possible that he's been influencing the entire Marvel Universe without anyone knowing the wiser, in preparation for his final strike against the world.