This is a list of silly, or Just for Fun wild mass guesses for the series Kingdom Hearts, such as "Sora is a Time Lord." Serious WMGs go on one of the three open pages.
The last "real" scene of the series is the one with Sora in his room, where his mother calls him down for dinner. When Sora notices an approaching storm, he panics, knowing it will destroy the raft he built with Riku and Kairi. This causes him to recklessly sail to the smaller island on his tiny boat in the middle of a coming hurricane, which ends with his boat sinking and Sora slowly drowning.
At first, Sora's dying dream involves dark creatures from his nightmares suffocating him and swallowing his world — symbolic of him struggling not to lose consciousness. However, he gradually gives in and his Dying Dream becomes more of a wish fulfilment fantasy, where Sora is free to visit as many different world as he likes and make friends with his idols from all his favourite movies and video games. The dream becomes increasingly incoherent as Sora approaches his death.Magical Girl is. However, Scar being Scar, his Grief Seed got tainted quickly enough for him to be revived as a witch come Sora's second visit to the Pride Lands. Notice how Groundshaker is also messed-up-looking enough to fit right in with the other witches.
- Isn't Scar a little too...male to qualify? (he also might be too old)
- Not necessarily. Kyubee and the rest of the Incubators chose preteen girls as their pawns because they were the most likely to turn into Witches and thus produce more energy. Theoretically anyone could sign a contract as long as it was feasible from the Incubator's point of view.
- But Sora never met Zexion (except in Final Mix). Riku did, so maybe he'll meet him?
Just before revolting against the Patriots, Liquid killed the real Simba and made his body into a costume in order to gain control of the Pride Lands and use trained lions to defend Shadow Moses Island. Until Sora and Co. arrived, he was in a deadlock over how to overthrow Scar and take the throne, which is why he moped around with Timon and Pumbaa for as long as he did; having done enough research to understand who the Keybearer was and why he was so important, he knew that Sora and the Keyblade gave him the opportunity he needed, and used him to defeat Scar. His reluctance to act against Scar's ghost was for similar reasons. The lion army didn't pan out in the end, but impersonating Simba gave Liquid the idea to do the same for Master Miller.
- So, we're putting a bit of Epic Mickey into the mix?
- Plus, Xanatos is a Disney character, so this actually could be true assuming that Gargoyles takes place before the events of the game. Xanatos always wanted immortality and Xehanort pretty much is immortal given all the times we've killed the bastard and he comes back. Being behind everything in all the games would be in-character for a centuries old Xanatos.
The first game has Sora in Destiny Islands, in the past. But when Xehanort attacks him and it fails, he places him to Traverse Town, in the future.
The third game still has Xehanort hidden and not defeated like Aku is.
- That's... rather frightening, when you consider what Xion is, and that I actually had a KH/Higurashi Fusion Fic (that was very, very quickly aborted, due to being fundamentally wrong on all known levels of existence) that cast Sora as Shion (SEE WHY I ABORTED IT!?) and Xion herself as Rena.
- or she could be a Nobody of Sync. Since Sync was a replica of Ion Xion kept Ion's name as the name of her original. Also they both end up trying to destroy the very thing that caused their existence, Sync the seventh fonon and Xion Roxas.
- Xion is actually the nobody of Ion in the comics. It is also the reason Kyle Rayner can't keep a girlfriend (alive) to save his life. The Xion nobody is jealously protective of Kyle and makes sure no one else romantically significant enters his life, although recently its jealousy has been creeping further in, arranging for Kyle's mother to be killed by the sentient virus from the Sinestro Corps. Unless Kyle has Oedipal issues, in which case we're still dealing with romance.
- Or, Xion is the nobody of Ion and it was formed when it was dragged forcibly from Kyle Rayner's body during the Sinestro Corps War. The fishy thing that came out of Kyle's body is only the heartless of Ion, which is why when it joined with Soddam Yat he was still unable to beat Superman Prime. He only had the heartless of Ion, not the complete entity.
- If we accept this, more parallels follow. Sora's various Drive forms are the result of his shikai, Final Form is his bankai, and his Anti Form is his take on Hollowfication (meaning that Sora is a Vizard).
- Actually, the metaphor extends better if you consider Valor and Wisdom alternate modes of Sora's Shikai, Master Form is his bankai, and Final Form is Hollowfication. Anti-Form is when his inner hollow starts emerging, which makes sense. When you use Valor, Wisdom or Master, your chances of getting anti-increase, whereas when you use Final Form, you can never go into Anti-Form, and it also reduces the chance you will get it otherwise. Also, if you look at the two, both Anti and Final form have a very similar frantic, fast-paced overblown combo fighting style, it's just that with Final, you're using Keyblades instead of your claws.
- Strangely enough, Sora doesn't seem to need to call out his Keyblade's name when performing these.
- Or does he? He calls out "Light!" His is the keyblade of the Realm of Light.
- The Organization XIII members are all the Kingdom Hearts version of Arrancars, perhaps with the entire mask (or whatever the Heartless or Nobody equivalent would be) removed.
- And the minion level nobodies (Samurai, Assassins, Sorcerers, etc.) are their Fraciones.
- Looking at it a different way, the members of the Organization correspond quite well to a member of the Gotei 13.
- You could probably fill a page with all of the parallels between Kingdom Hearts and Bleach, to be honest.
- For example; Riku and Kairi are the equivalents of Chad and Orihime, respectively. Both in their relation to the hero, and in the nature of their powers.
- And Xion would be the Shinenju (I have no idea if that's spelled correctly) from Memories of Nobody. They are both entities formed from an amalgamation of memories; they attach themselves to the hero, and end up choosing death in order to save the hero. This despite the fact that death for them means annihilation, even to the point of memories of her fading from the minds of those she interacted with.
- May or may not be considering Xehanort, however many of the others were originally scientists at Radiant Garden. Lexaeus in a lab coat...
- Pretty much jossed in the game since losing Roxas was a fairly big blow since they needed him or Sora to feed Kingdom Hearts. Only 2 members were Keyblade users, Roxas and Xion.
- Keyblades can only be wielded by those with strong hearts. Nobodies don't have hearts (according to most people), ergo they cannot (currently) wield Keyblades. Roxas (And possibly Xion) is a bit different because his heart is still out there in the world(s) keying around.
- Did you not read the original explanation? A Keyblade Bearer is not a Keyblade Master. Namine cannot wield a Keyblade, and it's very possible that whatever Nobody Riku would have couldn't either.
- Master Xehanort (as Terranort/the current Xehanort) was one. And it's possible (going by the True Final Boss battle against him) that the Guardian (the very same one that Ansem, Seeker of Darkness has) is the alternative form of his Keyblade). See below.
- Just want to say, Xion siphoned away Ven's heart from Roxas, during their first fight with a Darkside. He doesn't really need a heart to use the Keyblade, as it's been confirmed that Nobody's summon spiritual weapons. It makes sense his would be the Kingdom Key(or the dream sword, however you want to slice it baby).
- This Troper also got Silent Hill vibes, particularly during the Seven Wonders investigation. Freaky shit.
- They even have a silver-haired evil dude with mommy issues in a Badass Longcoat...
- That, and/or his family tree includes Manfred von Karma. Just look at his portrait◊ to see what I mean.
- Are you saying Terra before his body-jacking by Master Xehanort is Akio?
- Without Anthy to bolster his power, he started aging. Had to resort to other means to maintain himself. His younger self, despite what body he takes, tends to look similar.
- Well, Xehanort is an Akio... I'll be leaving now.
- Without Anthy to bolster his power, he started aging. Had to resort to other means to maintain himself. His younger self, despite what body he takes, tends to look similar.
- Unlikely; Maleficent seems far more sane than what we saw of Precia.
- How does the original Sleeping Beauty Disney movie factor into this? What would Testarossa want with King Stefan's kingdom?
- Pretty much Jossed by Birth By Sleep. Maleficent was a regular ol' evil sorceress who learned of the power of the Heartless and decided it sounded like a nice, easy path to ultimate power. She's a power-hungry witch seeking to rule over all creation; Precia was a previously-good sorceress who went dangerously psycho after losing her daughter.
The similarities between the Yamiko and the Heartless are too great to ignore. Both are created by artificial means, both represent the dark side of a person's heart, both are easily dispatched by untrained young kids given extraordinary abilities from without. It's mentioned specifically in Sailor Nothing that the creation of Yamiko can be done through all sorts of means and the "Super Yamiko" show that they can be completely monstrous in form, with it being their natural evolution over time accelerated. The existence of the Yami-gaia itself also shows that inanimate objects (and, perhaps, even the air surrounding them) can be made into a dark version of itself, making it entirely possible that sentient creatures could potentially be created from non-living objects. It's also obvious that these buildings were capable of mutating over time, judging by how it had changed to a mirror of modern Japan instead of remaining the same as it was the couple centuries prior when it was first created.
Parallels can be drawn between the resolution of Sailor Nothing and the first Kingdom Hearts. In the former, despite the fact that the Yami-gaia seemingly collapsed and took the main cast's powers with it, the Yamiko very clearly still exist in some form based on how General Cobalt was still alive. A major setback, yes, but still around. Both had their overlord as the Load-Bearing Boss of their entire dimensions.
With these similarities in mind, it stands to reason that the Yamiko were the very first Heartless. Neither the Yamiko nor their dimension were truly destroyed, but instead sealed away (becoming the Realm of Darkness). Due to the power void left behind, they all mutated into "Dark Generals" over time, but had no regular humans with which to create more Yamiko from. Experimentation lead to them creating the most basic type of Heartless from the only thing they had which wasn't already a corruption: air. This is the same substance that Ansem created a Heartless from many years later and also explains how there can be millions and millions of them in spite of a lack of population. More experimentation lead to the discovery of pathways to other worlds, allowing them to move around in their search for victims. However, their effectiveness would be next to nothing due to their lack of both intelligence and overarching goals.
Enter Xehanort. Just as how the Yamiko were nothing but a self-destructive race without their queen and her appointed Dark Generals, so, too, were the Heartless unable to accomplish anything without Xehanort and his appointed interplanetary henchmen. Kingdom Hearts II mentions that they initially only existed as a shadow threat, brought to prominance by Xehanort. In truth, having stumbled through the realm of darkness, the Heartless could do nothing but aimlessly attack and corrupt whatever was within reach. Xehanort, with Ansem's studies, had figured out that the Heartless all shared a desire for somebody to lead them and sought to fill that power void. Without him, they could never have been as successful as they ultimately became.
The process of creating Yamiko itself had also mutated over time with the species. Originally starting out as simply extracting the darkness out of a person's heart and crafting a duplicate of the person with it, the process got corrupted over time into extracting the entire heart and leaving the husk behind to become a Nobody. The light gets used to cause a jump in the physical evolution of the Heartless while the darkness becomes an entirely new entity. Just as how a Yamiko is based on the traits of its subject, so, too, do the Heartless gain the traits of their subjects. Keeping this in mind, it stands that all the most powerful Heartless are instead the original Yamiko left after Sailor Nothing, human forms long lost, sanity long faded. The world populations don't seem to be sufficiently large enough anywhere to allow any single particular Heartless to absorb enough energy to become that powerful.
As for Earth itself, it's most likely that it is what would eventually become End of the World. The Yamiko had intimate ties to Japan to the point of even mirroring it with the Yami-gaia and as such, most likely would not willingly choose to completely destroy it. It also explains why they have a particular world if they constantly snuff out other worlds just from their presence.
- Given that the Kingdom Hearts is the multiverse where every Disney and Final Fantasy world is stored, the true beginning of the Kingdom Hearts is either Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs}} (the first Disney animated movie) or Final Fantasy (the first Final Fantasy game).
- Why not all three? Chaos does something that causes... whatever the rest of the excuse plot is, and it's revealed to the player that Kingdom Hearts is just a very well concealed Sailor Nothing alternate universe fic.
- You mean like... kill off most of the heroes, and then their worlds, with some of them escaping (Cloud, Squall) Some getting reborn (Tidus) and most just ending up being forgotten in the annals of time?
- Given that the Kingdom Hearts is the multiverse where every Disney and Final Fantasy world is stored, the true beginning of the Kingdom Hearts is either Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs}} (the first Disney animated movie) or Final Fantasy (the first Final Fantasy game).
- The world of the live action Mr. Magoo movie was destroyed by the Heartless, Zexion is the Nobody of the leader of the mobsters from that movie (the one Magoo was mistaken for in one scene), who was turned into a Heartless.
- Not to mention that his Other's name (Ienzo) is really Italian-sounding
- The first part of KHI, "Awakening", was all a dream by Sora. An honest-to-God dream. End of story.
- The Destiny Islands section happens until Riku throws Sora the papou fruit. Sora then eats the papou fruit, which turned out to be drugged by Riku.
- The entirety of KHI is simply a hallucination by Sora. This is why Sora is always good, Kairi is the damsel in distress (being his love interest), and Riku is bad (being Sora's rival for Kairi.) This is also why he gets her heart. The Disney characters are all in the game as those were Sora's favorite movies/shows as a child. Mickey was Sora's third favorite for some reason, Donald and Goofy being his first and second. He somewhat likes Chip and Dale (which is how they turn up as Gummi Ship engineers), but he doesn't care about the other classical Disney characters, and so they get no plot significance. He also plays Final Fantasy games. Ansem was some sort of odd thing made up by his mind.
- During KH:CoM, Sora falls into a coma. This causes the distortion of "the worlds", making Organization XIII exist. Assumably, Organization XIII is based off of real-life people that we do not ever hear about (with the exceptions of Xemnas=Riku, Roxas=Sora, and Namine=Kairi.) As he falls deeper into his coma, he forgets more and more, thus creating the memory-forgetting magic of Castle Oblivion. Sora is deepest in his coma when Namine puts him to "sleep."
- Riku somehow assists in getting Sora out of his coma in the real world. His mind, acknologing this, makes Riku into an "anti-hero" at the very end. More Disney characters are used, and Organization XIII returns to put continuity into Sora's life. At the end of the game, what happens in real life is that Sora is presumed dead and Riku is swimming his body out to sea when Sora decides he wants to wake up. Donald, Goofy, and Mickey are after-effects of the drugs and coma.
- To answer Sora's somewhat prophetic question from the beginning of his dream sequence in KH 1, no, none of this is for real.
- Or it could be Exactly What It Says on the Tin. I mean, real-life antibiotics are extracted from mold, maybe it's the same in the KH 'verse. They have to get those potions and ethers from somewhere, right?
- Or it is a drug. And it caused the previous WMG.
- Alternatively, they're all trigger-happy freaks.
- If the gummi ship doesn't have to be powered by genuine smiles, shouldn't it be a lot easier to just paint a smily face in the engine room? Personally, this troper thinks that the gummi ship stores excess "smile energy" generated by the crew to use for when the grew isn't really up to the job of smiling.
- Alternatively, Donald just said that because he is awkward around young people, doesn't know how to talk to preteens, and figured that telling Sora that the ship "runs on smiles" would keep him from randomly having a tantrum.
- 'Smile Energy' is a translation error. It's powered by Spiral Energy
- Or maybe the Gummi Ships are a lot bigger on the inside then they look from the outside, and the stuff inside is just so much fun they have plenty of smiles even in certain death. Like say, they have Disneyland stuffed inside there.
- I always assumed that the line about the ship running on happy faces was just something Donald said to cheer Sora up, and wasn't meant to be taken literally.
- It's taken *extremely* literally in the manga, much to the crew's dismay.
- That would be severly depressing.
- The Papou fruit thing would probably just result in a loop. Delayed loop, but loop nonetheless...
- Or maybe something else...instead, Sora winds up giving a Heroic Sacrifice.
- Nah, he's already done that once. Given all the Christian symbolism, it's very doubtful he'd do that again. "Christ, once dead, dies no more." What does make sense is some kind of parallel to the Battle of Armageddon — Sora confronts Xehanort in the Second Keyblade War, where Sora will summon forth the χ-blade, slay Xehanort and then wipe out his army in one blow. Afterwards, he will save Terra, Ventus and Aqua, along with all the other casualties, and in the final scene he'll marry Kairi.
- For some who find Sora's actions less than acceptable (murder of people who look and act like people without any qualms) this would be extremely... Distastefull.
- Don't worry, they're not dead. Killing someone's Nobody and Heartless just causes their original Somebody to come back to life, so Nobodies are just put on hold until their Heartless is Keybladed.
- The Stinger in KH 3 is actually Kairis first time completely unstoned in years and Sora has actually been dead for a year.
- And Kai Leng is from Kingdom Hearts! It all makes sense now!
- She has the p-p-p-poker face too.
- Also, YRP could still be alive as they visit the Farplane at the end of their own game.
- What about the FF 8 characters (Squall, Selphie, Seifer & co., etc.)? All of them are very much alive by the end of that game. Ditto for Setzer.
- Faux Death scene, as mentioned above. Squall, end of Disc 1. Selphie, exploded missile base. Seifer, we're supposed to think was executed early on. I'm making the (very) wild assumption that all of those were actually real deaths which eventually ended in resurrection. As for Setzer, I haven't had the chance to play Final Fantasy VI yet so I don't know.
- Prisoner's Lover=Axel
And the whole Cloud and Aeris scene at the Hollow Bastion is a variation on the scene Cid recited in FFVII.
Since the wolves in Wolf's Rain gain the most energy during the full moon, and Darcia went Ax-Crazy during his first and only full moon as a wolf, Saix's rages during those times are a residual memory of that. The scar on his face is reminiscent of Tsume's chest scar, as Tsume was the last of the protagonists he managed to kill. (But since X's aren't the most complicated shape, that's up for debate.) Furthermore, "Saix" without the X is a phonetic anagram for the last half of "Darcia". Considering that both Saix and Darcia are homicidal maniacs, I don't think they'd care whether their names are proper anagrams of each other.
- Clearly, bananas must have hearts. Banana-flavored hearts.
- Or they're trying to turn Donkey Kong into a Heartless by stealing all the bananas in the worlds. Somehow. I dunno how, they just are!
- Saix's joke weapon in 358. its a banana. they're obviously trying to reconstruct that!
- Don't do drugs, kids. Only rambling madness can come of it.
- This is the ONLY way in my mind to justify Auron and the gullwings exsisting in the same univierse as they do.
- They could be clones, too. Or time travelers.
- Do Not Want.
- Or, alternatively, he's actually Naruto. This is pretty much based on my fic here. Before you ask how I even got to this conclusion, I don't even know how. I think I need to lay off the roleplaying.
- Leon was eleven when Sora was born.
- Rinoa was thirteen when she and Leon got together, and she's a very young teen parent. I'm not entirely sure that's possible in the real world, but I'm sure it is in Kingdom Hearts.
- Ugh. No. Do Not Want. Do not defile the characters like that. Eleven-year-old boys should not be knocking anybody up, and I don't want to think of Squall like that. Besides, who would let a thirteen-year-old girl raise a child? They'd make her abort it or adopt it out. And furthermore, what would Rinoa be doing on the Destiny Islands? And if she were from a different world, wouldn't she have mentioned this to her son, who wasn't sure about the existence of other worlds if I remember correctly?
- Ages of characters in Kingdom hearts aren't necessarily the same as the original game. It might not be inconcievable for Sora's mother to be a thirty-something Rinoa, but Leon couldn't be the father.
- Sora's mother is also Penny's mother.
- Sora's mother is also Boo's mother.
- Sora's mother is also Lewi's mother.
- Sora's mother is also Russell's mother.
- Sora's mother is secretly Elasti-girl.
- Sora's mother is Jean Grey (Disney owns Marvel now so this is possible if unlikely).
- Sora's mother is Jessica Rabbit.
- Sora's mother is your mother.
- Sora's mother is Squirrel Girl.
- Sora's mother is Gabriella Montez.
- Rinoa was thirteen when she and Leon got together, and she's a very young teen parent. I'm not entirely sure that's possible in the real world, but I'm sure it is in Kingdom Hearts.
- What if Sora's mother is/was Larxene before she became a nobody? We don't know what his mother looks like, and we don't know where Larxene (along with the other Org. XIII members who weren't apprentices) came from originally. After all, Larxene is a fairly new member of the Organization in CoM, which happens a good while after the islands were destroyed by the heartless. In that case, Sora's mother, Lanere (or something...), was ambushed and harvested by Heartless amidst the chaos, and as it's not too much of a stretch to assume that Sora's mother would be strong-willed, she could have become a Nobody. Alright fellow Tropers, the long-winded guess is almost over! Somewhere between losing her humanity (and memory apparently...although some of them may still have been there given her comment on how having a heart was "painful") and CoM, she is discovered and taken to the Organization by Xigbar, where she is given a new name and taught to use her powers. In 358/2 Days, she seems to resent Roxas for no adequately explained reason, then gradually grows to acknowledge his skills. Could this be because he reminds her of repressed memories of her son (and possibly husband, not Sora but whoever the obligatorily absent father happense to be...)?
- Adding the WMG below to the mix would explain just why Larxene behaves the way she does. Sora can have a quick temper occasionally, a trait that he may have inherited from his mother. She was simply better at repressing it, along with her cynicism and sometimes hyper attitude (although the latter could be a side effect of her affinity with lightning magic)
- If Larxene's Somebody is Sora's mother, then this troper has a weird idea that makes Marluxia's Somebody his father. Mommy and Daddy lost almost all of their memories when they became Nobodies and created a plot to overthrow the Organization with help from Axel, which was really just a giant misguided attempt to get their son back. The reason Sora couldn't recognize his parents (assuming their Nobodies at least vaguely resemble them) is because of Castle Oblivion. After Larxene and Marluxia were defeated by Sora, their hearts were rejoined with their bodies and they returned to Destiny Islands, where they were reunited with their son after KHII. They lost their memories from the time they were Nobodies, and Sora doesn't know it was them. But maybe one day, he'll put two and two together and realize that if you rearrange the names of his parents and throw in an "X", they spell out "Larxene" and "Marluxia". But Sora isn't the brightest crayon in the box, so I doubt anybody will ever know.
- For an alternate school of thought, what if Sora was the son of Celes Chere? It's explained a bit more in depth here, but this basically boils down to naming conventions (both Sora and Celes' names equate to the sky/heavens) and abilities (Sora is shown to have both a good sword arm and magical expertise, not unlike Celes; while he's not as elegant with his fighting style, it's possible his skills with magic—once unlocked by Merlin's tutelage—were inherited). By extension, this would mean Sora's dad is Locke Cole. This could provide a chance to introduce some more Final Fantasy characters into the universe without overshadowing the plot to a notable degree (coughCloud!coughSephiroth!cough). On a somewhat related note, Riku's parents would be Firion and Lightning. (I blame you, Dissidia 012!)
- Alternate alternate, what about Ellone? She's got the wibbly wobbly memory time magic stuff that could also explain a bit of how Namine got her powers, and depending on how much older she is than Squall, she could be early-to-mid thirties. Plus she's the one I can immediately think of as good with kids. That leaves the question of Sora's dad up in the air, but it's still a theory.
- Incidently, Sora's feelings for Kairi could be partially contributed to Like Parent, Like Spouse (red headed princesses).
- Given that he gave Riku a keyblade back when Riku was in the thrall of Darkness, this implies a Chessmaster role, with possible maliciousness- Riku's keyblade did a lot of damage, particularly in the creation of Roxas, which is what inspired Org. XIII to create their own Kingdom Hearts.
- Organization XIII was already trying to create Kingdom Hearts. Roxas just sped the process up.
- The great thing about this one is that, when walking around all the religious buildings in Rome, there were keys representing St. Peter all over the walls... that looked ridiculously similar to Keyblades. By that, I mean same size, same proportions, heart motifs. There were even Keychains on several of them. Leading me to the theory that...
- So the keyblade wielders are the angels, and the things like The End of The World are the anti-angel defenders that the worlds erected from the only thing they could- the hearts and bodies of the humans and worlds themselves. It's interesting in that the keyblade wielders may be trying to reverse instrumentality instead of stop it. This probably makes Xemnas analogous to Rei, but it depends on what No Heart's Unversed is like whether Ansem is Shinji or Asuka (this troper thinks the safe bets would be on Asuka). Actually, it might make more sense if Ansem and Xehanort are Adam and Lilith-as-Rei respectively, considering the whole fusion thing. Axel coul be interpreted as Kaworu, but it's more likely that character's analog hasn't shown up yet.
- Galbatorix is a discarded attempt to clone himself from his memories of his Sith Master, discarded into the Eragon world.
Sora is still in his pod, and Riku, who was in actuality found by the Organization in the dark realm, is also in a pod. Namine, who is still under Organization control, is not repairing either's memories, she's fabricating simulations so they do not wake up. The Organization's actual goal required the need for all three key-bearers, but they couldn't find the King (Mickey is badass, so he escaped the Dark Realm). Because they need all the key-bearers, they cannot kill Sora and Riku, but nor can they let them walk about freely. So, they use Namine's powers to keep them around and occupied.
Namine, though she may be continuing with the mucking up of our heroes heads, is still not evil, and wishes to subvert the Organization. And while she's too closely monitored to get away with outright telling Sora and Riku the truth, she has been dropping hints and giving them vital information.
For Sora, the idea of a part of himself ("Roxas") living in a virtual world, of course, mirrors what is actually happening. Sora accepting "Roxas" as a part of him also allows Namine a reasonable excuse to give Sora access to "Roxas's" memories, so that she could show him the events of 358/2 days, which were, though entirely fictional, insights into the characters and ways of the Organization. Everything has generally gone well for Namine on this part.
Riku, however, has given her trouble. She wanted Riku to be able use both the powers of dark and the light. Her original plan had been to follow the original example for getting Riku to accept the darkness, which is to say, through the influence of Ansem(Xehanort's Heartless), but adding in the King so Riku would not lose the light. But Riku was refusing to accept the dark. Namine, who can only influence and cannot force her will on someone without breaking the simulation, quickly invented the idea of DiZ, a somewhat more personal figure to guide Riku's darkness. The fact that DiZ was spur-of-the-moment is easily recognizable, as his skin and eyes are that of Ansem's and most of his face is just covered in belts (Namine has Tetsuya Nomura's Belts and Zippers fetish). When Riku finally came through, Namine was weary and wished to abandon Riku's mind to focus solely on Sora. She offered him a pod (Like the one he was already in!) so that Riku's mind would accept the emptiness that would be his abandoned mind and continue slumbering, but Riku refused. Namine was forced to continue Riku's story, and attempted to make it easier on herself by melding Sora and Riku's stories together.
Namine's strain is noticeable in Kingdom Hearts II and 358/2. This is the cause of the increasingly convoluted plot, such as reopening the same damn keyholes you shut the first time around, and Organization 13 having 14 members. Namine is also a fan of Yaoi, so all the Ho Yay is justified. There is also a notable attempt by Namine to garner sympathy for the fate of Nobodies, as she herself IS a Nobody, but she had to tread that water carefully because she needs Sora and Riku to fight the Organization, and she didn't want them to sympathize with any of THEM.
Side-notes: Roxas never existed, as Sora was a heartless for such little time that he returned to his body, and no Nobody was made. Xion also never existed, a being of pure fabrication by Namine. Namine herself, though she does not wish to be, is the 13th member. Zexion and Lexaeus are still alive, as they never actually fought Riku. Axel, Xemnas, Xigbar, Xaldin, Demyx, Luxord, and Sai'x are also still alive, as KH II didn't happen. Namine is alive too, of course. Vexen, Larxene, and Marluxia are still dead, though. Donald and Goofy are NOT in pods. I always interpreted the Donald and Goofy from Chain of Memories to be solely from Sora's memories. Donald and Goofy are still hanging out somewhere, desperately trying to find their friend and Key-bearer. Because DiZ doesn't really exist, we still don't know the true whereabouts of Ansem the Wise. Birth by Sleep may or may not be more of Namine's shenanigans, but the name sure sounds like it is. And Seifer does not, at least not yet, have undeniable proof that he totally owns lamers.
- Axel = Jerec
- Roxas = Yun
- Larxene = Sariss
- Saix = Maw
- Marluxia = Boq
- Lexaeus = Gorc
- Demyx = Pic
- KH! Cloud seems to be around the same age as FFVII/Advent Children! Cloud.
- FFVII! Cloud is 25, and Advent Children! Cloud must be 27.
- Sora is 14 and 15 in the games.
- 27-15=12, so either time travel was used, or... major squick.
- It's even worse than that. Cloud was 21 in Final Fantasy VII, not 25, and Aeris was 22. Which would make Kingdom Hearts/Advent Children Cloud 23.
- ... BRAIN BLEACH is required.
- It will be revealed in Birth By Sleep that Aeris and Cloud are, in fact, related to Sora — Sora was lost from Radiant Garden when he was an infant, Aeris and Cloud are actually his older, fraternal twin siblings, and Clerith shippers everywhere will collectively shit their pants.
- Much as this Cloud/Tifa shipper would love that, SE isn't going to make anything canon there. They're scared, and rightly so.
- I would * love* to see this happen just so I can witness the apocalyptic shitstorm it would trigger.
Also, their names match up. R-E-L-E-N-A = L-A-R-[X]-E-N-E.
- Deep Jungle in KH I could be Naya (just without all the cat-people, elves, and the gargantuans...).
- Alantica could be controlled, primarily, by blue and black mana. The white mana source (and the only one for Atlantica, mind you)is in Triton's palace.
- Hollow Bastion could be a Rath Expy with a strong black/red mana base (plus it has pipes everywhere...).
- Radiant Gardens is the green/white counterpart to Hollow Bastion.
- Twilight Town could also be blue/black.
- The Heartless are all black creatures as well as black hybrids with other colors of mana.
- Clearly. And her focus was to be absorbed by Roxas.
- Riku is so hilariously far from pure anything.
- It probably won't come to pass. If anything, Riku is a perfect balance of light and dark. While Sora's dominion is indeed light, he's not Ven or any of the Seven Princesses of Heart. Yup.
- Well, if we're using the X-Blade as a metaphor, then it's clear that it applies to the two who wield the Keyblades of light and dark realms. So it's a setup for...oh God. Oh God, no.
- I suppose the easiest way to do that would be the cardboard tube method... And thanks to Rule 34, an image of that now exists somewhere. If you'll excuse me, I need to go pray for Walt's forgiveness for the atrocity we have just committed.
The DCU, the Marvel Universe, Disney Animated Canon, Pixar's films and the various Final Fantasy worlds were all originally part of the same set of infinite earths that made up the multiverse before it was destroyed by the Antimoniter. We know this since we have seen that Marvel and DC universes are able to crossover occasionally, the minor Mythology Gags in the Pixar movies, Disney owning Marvel and The Princess and the Frog showing a combined cosmology as that of The Lion King indicating a form of shared verses.
The Antimoniter claimed to have destroyed the multiverse but since it was made up from an infinite number of Earths that would be functionally impossible to destroy a infinite number of anything. What really occured was that he destroyed trillions of worlds but simply seperated and sealed most worlds off from each other. In this process some beings were removed from their original worlds and placed into new ones often with no memory of their true home, this happened to the Justice Society of America who were stranded on New Earth away from their original Earth-1 and to most of the Final Fantasy characters as their worlds were among those lost in the Crisis.
The Unversed came into being from the souls of those who lost their worlds and lives in the Crisis. The destroyed Antimoniter left behind a lingering darkness across the multiverse that when used in Xenoheart's experiments formed the heartless and left behind nobodies.
Due to his concern of the possibility of the Heartless reforming the Antimoniter and the potential dangers of the Nobodies and Unversed the moniter created the Access force as seen in DC Vs Marvel and the Amalgalm universe. This did not go as planned as he was diverted from his purpose of watching over the Heartless and Nobodies by the interference of Dr. Strangefate from the Amalgalm Universe. So when that minor crisis was adverted he stripped Access of his power and reforged the power into the Keyblades and Gummivessels which he gifted upon the Land of Departure, a world of his own creation where he deposited those with worthy hearts who had lost worlds but survived the Crisis. This is where Birth By Sleep occurs. Since there is no official translation yet I cannot tie it to the theory any better yet.
The connections between the worlds in the first game was in fact not the Heartless's doing but was because the multiverse was unstable restructured during the Infinite Crisis. Superboy Prime punching time caused the lingering threads of continuity between the worlds to form tangitable connections that Malificent and Ansem/Xenoheart exploited to access Kingdom Hearts which the world of the Monitor who has now been split into fifty-two seperate moniters.
The missing year of Chain Of Memories and 358/2 Days was the missing year of 52.
The second game has a more stable multiverse so to Travel between universes Sora has to open gateway using the power of Access that is within the Keyblade. Unfortunately since he never received training as the old keyblade masters from Birth By Sleep he is doing so in such a haphazard manner that it has a ripple effect in the fabric of the multiverse resulting in strange behaviour and temporal paradoxes in the residence of the DC Universe these discrepancies are chronicled in the Countdown to Final Crisis.
The effects upon Limbo and Kingdom Hearts/the world of the Moniters in Final Crisis shall be addressed when we get an actual Kingdom Hearts 3.
- (applause) That is so crazy, it just might work.
- That my good man, was the most fangasmic Wild Mass Guessing I've ever read on this wiki.
- You're both too kind.
- That my good man, was the most fangasmic Wild Mass Guessing I've ever read on this wiki.
- When the man emotes he always sounds too fake.
- I've realized two things: use of dark corridors changes who uses them without being an Heartless or having an Organization coat. Just look at DiZ and his true identity. Now, look at the scene with a young Master Xehanort is looking at the sunset...and the opening of Monster with Johan at the big white window...
- Second: one of Johan (and Kinderheim 511 - related characters) phrases is "Today is darkness, tomorrow will be darkness...". But in chapter 65 he said that he "saw an even darker blackness". I think it's possible to jump from here to "KINGDOM HEEEAAAARRTS!! FILL ME...WITH THE POWER OF DARKNESS!"
- Johan as a Large Ham? Considering what he could calm, that could be even more terrifying (or narmtastic).
- Does that mean that Middleton is going to be a world in KH3d?
- What? I can't hear you! Sora's shoes are too loud!
- Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep can be seen as the KH version of the Battle of Jericho Hill, the point at which the world seriously began to move on...which, like in The Dark Tower, wasn't revealed to the audience until a good number of installments later.
- Malificent is the Man in Black (not literally), doing her best to gain as much power as possible, but still ultimately defeated and revealed to be merely The Dragon.
- Master Xehanort is revealed pretty late in the story to be the driving force behind EVERY PROBLEM. Kind of like how The Crimson King ended up being retconned into the main villain.
- Finally, probably the most obvious part, is the fact that both stories tie a bunch of separate tales together into one verse.
- It would be reasonable to suggest that the entire Disney Multiverse exists along one of the beams of the Tower, and that Epic Mickey represents an attempt to break the beam.
- There is another possibility: Tetsyua Nomura is Master Xehanort.
- Yeah, I'm going with this from the reactions on this site's userspace and others. He is almost DEFINITELY trying to get us to kill each other.
- This makes way too much sense thanks to Dream Drop Distance. Young Xehanort's method of breaking Sora's heart is to more or less give him a Plot Dump of everything that's happened, he comments on the repetition of Traverse Town as the first world in most games, and says that everything that has happened was destined to happen because Master Xehanort set it up. And let's not forget the fact he can defy the fourth wall to replay cinematic sequences, rewind the battle music, avoid targeting cursors, and knock the commands out of your menu.
- (OP) May I start panicking now?
- A Keyblade War MMORPG, you say?
- Does this mean Prince Phillip will have to pull a Neville and decapitate Diablo with his magically-enhanced sword in order to make Maleficent defeatable?
- Actually, it's "Marquis de Sade".
- Actually, that was a book being read by Larxene in one of the manga, about the eponymous Marquis. Zexion has many Lexicons, the most well-known of which is the "Book of Retribution".
- Sora: Die monster, You don't belong in these worlds!Maleficent: It was not by my hand that I am once again given flesh. I was called here by, humans, who wish to pay me tribute!Sora: Tribute? You steal men's hearts, and make them your slaves!Maleficent: Perhaps the same could be said of all organizations.Sora: Your words are as empty as your heart, Pete ill needs a leader such as you!Maleficent: Pete? A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk, HAVE AT YOU!"
- Actually, I prefer:Sora: What, you say?
- The voice Sora hears is The User. The Heartless are programming bugs and Nobodies are viruses. Ansem the Wise = Norton Antivirus.
- That theory is the sh*t!
- So wait. Where would coded fit in that?
- Kingdom Hearts I/II = Kingdom Key L/D. Chain/Days = Oblivion/Oathkeeper. Birth = X-Blade. "coded"/KH3 = Fenrir/Omega/Ultima Weapon.
- Or, Nintendo was using a Jerkass Façade to protect Sony from Square! By cutting Sony out of the deal to create a CD drive add-on for the SNES and instead developing god-awful video games with Phillips, the two companies would be separated. Unfortunately, due to Sony being Locked Out of the Loop, it backfired in Nintendo's face.
- Didn't he win that battle with Lulu's skirt-o'-belts?
- People have cosplayed Lulu. His goal is for nobody to even try to replicate the costume.
- Basic Sora as The Hero
- Roxas as The Lancer vaguely jealous of The Hero and always questioning his methods
- Ventus as The Big Guy since he's the most well-trained
- Data Sora as The Smart Guy, since he's the one who did the Diary adventure and is a computer program
- Xion as The Chick
- With Vanitas as the Sixth Ranger Token Evil Teammate.
- Sora will be the playable one, with the other 4-5 AI controlled like Donald and Goofy. There will be an additional multiplayer mode with the selectable characters consisting entirely of Soras.
- Of course! This is why there was the Raining Soras scene in the Dream Drop Distance trailer!
- This does make sense:
- The silence after the Land of Departure is covered in darkness is Slendy screwing with the audio.
- Stopping time is how Slendy does his Jump Scare.
- The Journal entry is another Slenderblog.
- Does that mean that we can defeat him if we give him 20 munny?
- You fool! You've opened the Door to Darkness!
- Not my fault. This is the section for silly WMGs.
- Its not sex, its masturbation.
- Bat -> An Org. member that had outlived their usefulness
- Dog 1 -> Sora
- Dog 2 -> Riku
- Cat -> Kairi
- Mouse -> Namine
- Dog 3 -> Roxas
- Bunny -> Aeris
- Lion -> Leon
- Wolf -> Cloud
- Crow -> Sephiroth
- Xemnas is Ansem
- Xigbar is Braig
- Saix is Isa
- Axel is Lea
- Roxas is Sora
- Xaldin is Dilan
- Zexion is Ienzo
- Lexaus is Aeleus
- Vexen is Even
- Larxene: Arlene
- Alternatively, Relena.
- Demyx: Dyme
- Luxord: Durol
- Marluxia: Marauli (Gender Flip, anyone?)
- Alternatively, Lumaria.
- Roxas wanted Kingdom Hearts to be complete so that the entire Organization could be whole, but Sora was aware of this. Xemnas turning traitor: coincidence? I THINK NOT!
- Master Xehanort: An orchestrated recreation of your fights with Ansem and Xemnas.
- Sora: What!
- The Darkness that practically spewed from one of his parents embedded itself in Ienzo, which was why he was the first apprentice to fall to Xehanort and the Darkness — because he had so much Darkness in already.
- They want your heart. And they will kill to get it.
- Its a crossover with an original character/Self Insert who wields a ridiculous weapon.
- Sure explains how ridiculous CoM is; I mean, Sora going through slightly altered events of the last game while being badgered by a bitchy Riku clone and 4 attractive evil people? And that's not getting into how similar Namine is to a Possesion Sue OC.
- Think about it. The first Kingdom Hearts was released in 2002, and since then Disney has acquired (at the very least) both Pixar and Marvel Comics. That means that (in theory, anyway), they could now use these characters in Kingdom Hearts if need be. If they were to give each of the main Marvel titles their own world (Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, etc.) they'd have plenty more worlds so they won't have to worry about rehashing the same ones. The natural conclusion would be for Disney to continue expanding and buying more properties to use, but since some of the logical choices for acquisition (like Nintendo) seem way too big for even Disney to handle, they will use the power that holding Marvel gives them to persuade these companies to agree to have their games/shows/what-have-you featured in Kingdom Hearts!
- Kingdom Hearts - The destruction of Destiny Islands symbolises the disappearance of Sora's life hence why his friends disappear. Due to Sora's uncontrolled jealousy towards Riku, Sora manifests it as Riku turning evil. Kairi disappears symbolising Sora's despair at now being with her. Donald and Goofy are created to replace them and keep him company until he reunites with his friends. Xehanort, Maleficent and the Heartless symbolise Sora's illness and pain which threatens to devour his mind/the worlds. Kingdom Hearts symbolises Sora's brain, and its destruction will lead to Sora's permanent hospitalisation/death.
- Chain of Memories - The events of this chapter are caused by a doctor trying a new medicine on Sora. It causes a reaction, causing Sora to suffer from a relapse and fall further into his coma. The medicine's effects appear as Namine, altering Sora's mind and damaging his memories of his life and Kairi. Sora grows hateful towards the doctors and hospital, creating the present Organization XIII members and Castle Oblivion. The doctors manage to neutralise the medicine's effects, causing Sora to go into his year-long sleep. Riku's storyline symbolises Sora dealing with his jealousy towards his friend.
- 358/2 Days - Sora's reaction to the medicine warps his mind, causing him to create Roxas and Xion as alternate personalities. Riku and a doctor who becomes the basis of Axel's change of heart talk to him, causing Xion to experience her body changes and eventually turn into Sora. A psychiatrist is brought in to deal with Sora's personalities, becoming DiZ in his mind. Xion is eventually removed, much to Sora's anguish. Roxas then is subdued by the psychiatrist, symbolised by his capture by Riku and imprisoned in the fake Twilight Town.
- Kingdom Hearts II - Riku, the doctor and psychiatrist speak to Roxas one final time and manage to bring Sora's personality back to the surface. However, lingering effects of his illness resurface, recreating Maleficent and introducing the remaining Organization members who seek to destroy his mind again. Riku is still absent, symbolising Sora's shame for envying his best friend although the real Riku guides him by talking to him. Kairi's kidnapping is caused by an incident where Kairi and the doctor argue in front of Sora, Axel becoming the perpetrator. King Mickey plays a larger role, established long ago as a parental figure of sorts. After Axel's death (the doctor's departure), Sora deals with Roxas' invading personality and makes peace with it so to speak, before overcoming his illness once again with the Organization's defeat. Ansem the Wise's "death" is caused by the psychiatrist's departure. Sora speaks with Riku and apologises, the conversation between heard by Sora and created in the world of darkness. Sora and Riku return to Destiny Islands, bringing Sora into a better condition which now only requires him to awaken himself.
- Birth By Sleep - Since this is a prequel, most events were made up by Sora's psyche. Sora is moved to another ward by the hospital administrator (Master Xehanort), Sora believing he wishes him to have another relapse. His own fears take the form of Vanitas. Sora creates new characters in the form of Terra, Aqua and Ventus, based on his parents and a renewed version of Roxas' personality. Master Eraqus is based on his new doctor. Sora's growing fears and paranoia, along with his desire to wake up, lead to each of the heroes' tragic endings (Eraqus' death, Ven's coma to symbolise his own, Aqua's sacrifices and Terra's imprisonment). However, Sora overcomes his anguish and gives the inner Xehanort amnesia as a result. The letter Mickey sends to Sora is the final catalyst Sora uses to decide to deal with all his inner personalities before choosing to awake.
- (Not the original poster) Dream Drop Distance: After finally awakening from his coma, Sora finds himself having recurring nightmares based on his coma-dream. He undergoes sleep therapy, which his dreamworld interprets as the Mark of Mastery exam. His friend stays with him throughout to talk to him and help him through it, which is why Riku becomes a Dream Eater. During the therapy, Sora falls out of bed and hits his head again, giving him another coma. A young psychiatrist decides to try a radical new treatment on him, causing his mind to create Young Xehanort. He calls in the old psychiatrist to help him through, but the Axel-doctor stops them at the last minute because Sora shows signs of waking up. While he's beginning to stir, he hasn't the strength to awaken, so his friend begs him to wake up, not leaving his side until he does; his mind sees this as Riku fighting off his heart's last defensive measure and freeing him from the darkness. Sora awakens, and that night, dreams that he's returned to the Mysterious Tower; grateful to his friend for bringing him out of it, he makes Riku a Keyblade Master, and has coma-Sora set out on a journey to find himself, while he does a lot of soul searching in the real world. The Stinger starts with his friend telling him that everyone back home wants him to wake up, and they'd all do anything to get him back. That night, Sora dreams about Kairi, and finally comes to terms with his crush on her; this is symbolised by her coming to the tower for Keyblade training.
- (Not the original poster, nor the last one) Kingdom Hearts III: The entire game is Sora letting go of his dream world. The lack of Final Fantasy characters, the Alas, Poor Villain scenes and most of the original Organisation XIII being on the good guys side is Sora letting go of these characters hes been with for so long. Young Xehanort is the exception as doctors dictate that this young psychiatrist would likely heavily damaged Soras mind if he had done the procedure he was planning to do on him in 3D. Xion and Roxas come back, but Sora makes peace with them instead of forcefully repressing them, and they stay with him for the rest of his life, albeit being very much subdued. In the end, Sora fades away from this dream world forever, returning to the real world.
We already know that Disney owns Marvel and that Wade is prone to all sorts of Fourth Wall shenanigans. Who's to say that Deadpool, already aware of his status as a fictional character, doesn't just cross over to the KH universe and pop up out of nowhere? He would probably chew out Sora & co. (and the player) with no discretion and then alter the coding of the game just so that he can tag along with you. He could also serve as this very zany Audience Surrogate who brings up (and complains about) the same things most of us fans do (i.e. shipping wars, odd theories, overly complex plot threads, how it took 7-9 games to finish up a saga, the location of Sora's parents, etc.). While he wouldn't be integral to the overall story, having Mr. Wilson in your party during key events/cutscenes would result in Deadpool ruining the mood and halting the progression of the plot to lampshade it. It would be priceless.
- This theory is actually possible, to some extent. On one hand, since Disney owns Marvel, it's just a matter of Square Enix talking to Marvel. Plus, this could work, provided that Deadpool is the only character they bring in (opting for the Guest Fighter treatment instead of a full-blown Crossover) and nobody else. I'm kind of a Disney geek myself, and I'm not aware of anybody who can break the fourth wall like Mr. Wilson can. If any of you guys/girls know of Dante's inclusion as a party member in Shin Megami Tensei, Deadpool's appearance could play off something like that. He could pop up under special circumstances and be a party member (ala Donald and Goofy, provided that this feature returns for III). I'm pretty sure Nomura-san is aware of some topics the fanbase wants cleared up, so Deadpool could be a great addition in order to get these concerns out there. Although, I'm pretty sure that Square Enix wouldn't take kindly to Deadpool interrupting key story moments (like Sora and Kairi kissing, someone doing a Heroic Sacrifice, Xemnas ranting about how he'll end the world), so there's a snag. Worse comes to worse, I'm kinda cool with Sora fighting alongside The Mighty Thor.
- No, wait, screw that. Rocket Raccoon is the shit.
- Ok, so maybe Deadpool breaking the fourth during the more dramatic moments isn't quite the way to go about it, but if Wade shows up, he's going to find a way to quip about the nature of the series somehow. On the other hand, Spidey might make for a good mentor figure, especially to Riku. He's popular in Japan too, so Spider-Man might be a more likely choice from the Marvel stable.
- How about this? Master Xehanort, after defeating all of the guardians of light, he uses the X-Blade to open Kingdom Hearts and finds....Deadpool playing the original Kingdom Hearts. Deadpool is concentrating on beating Riku Replica and the villain's intervention screws it all up. Deadpool, mad at how Xehanort screwed up his chances, lashes out at him and proceeds to murder him and all of the other Norts. Cue Simple and Clean!
- This has to be true. "Dance water dance!"? The guy's not even trying to hide it!
Portal and Kingdom Hearts seem like completely different games, but they are really variations on the same story. Kingdom Hearts, fundamentally, is about a mad scientist that wants to destroy the universe for science, and the heroes that travel between the worlds to stop him. Portal, similarly, is about a mad A.I. that wants to destroy humanity For Science!, and a hero that travels between portals to stop it. Once the basic similarity is clear, then parallels emerge all over the place.
The Keyblade is the same as the ASHPD, a unique device that lets its user travel between worlds/different areas. The similarity is undeniable when you see Sora and Terra opening portals between worlds with the Keyblade. The realm of light is similar to the test chambers, all sparkling white and clean. The realm of darkness is similar to the hidden corridors of Aperture Science, where Ratman skulks in the shadows. Which brings us to the characters...
Sora is clearly an analogue of Chell. Both are determined, relentless heroes that wield a unique weapon. Both are somewhat static characters - they don't change much in personality over the course of the story, and they are both unwaveringly good. At the end of Kingdom Hearts, Sora defeats Ansem, Seeker of Darkness and is eventually placed in stasis after CoM. At the end of Portal, Chell defeats GLaDOS and is put in stasis by the Party Escort Bot. In the sequels, Sora is awakened and must defeat another aspect of Xehanort, Xemnas, while Chell is awakened and must defeat GLaDOS again, then one of the personality cores originally attached to GLaDOS, Wheatley. At the end of Kingdom Hearts II and Portal 2, the heroes finally return to where they belong and their adventures are (seemingly) over.
But Sora and Chell don't succeed all by themselves. Throughout their adventures there was another brave adventurer assisting them in their journey, a person who traveled not the same path but a parallel path. For Sora, it was King Mickey/Riku in the realm of darkness, while for Chell, it was Doug Rattmann. Their roles between the main games are especially similar. Riku helped move and protect Sora while Sora was sleeping for a year, and Rattmann patched Chell's stasis chamber into the reserve power grid, ensuring her survival.
But it is the character of GLaDOS that provides the best evidence that Kingdom Hearts and Portal are telling the same story. Kingdom Hearts is a villain-based franchise, with some version of Xehanort the main villain in nearly every game. Similarly, GLaDOS is really the main character of Portal, considering that she talks the most, we learn the most about her, and that the protagonist never speaks. Xehanort was originally Master Xehanort, who in order to cheat death, transferred his heart to Terra, creating Xehanort, who was then split into a Heartless (Ansem) and a Nobody (Xemnas), who are the main villains of Kingdom Hearts I and II, respectively. GLaDOS was originally a disk operating system before merging with an unwilling Caroline, creating GLaDOS. Part of her is destroyed in Portal, while another part is defeated in Portal 2. What happens at the end of each game is instructive. As revealed in Kingdom Hearts: coded, the destruction of Ansem and Xemnas has reconstituted Xehanort, while GLaDOS deletes Caroline's personality at the end of Portal 2. The parallels are far too many - the two games share a single story.
The obvious question is: which story came first? One of the games is a Future Imperfect retelling of the true events of the other game. It is most probable that Portal is the true story and Kingdom Hearts is the retelling. Legends tend to become grander over time, and the story of an insane wizard trying to destroy the universe is far more grandiose than the story of a rogue A.I. running a test facility. Kingdom Hearts has many more characters, and the Disney characters especially are not necessary, strictly speaking, to the main plot. Portal's story is more realistic - an A.I. surviving several deaths is more sensible than a person doing so. Besides, Portal's story is quite comical, while Kingdom Hearts' is far more serious. Thus, Portal was the original story, and over the years it was expanded on and retold before it finally made its way to Tetsuya Nomura.
If this theory is true, then there are implications for the futures of both franchises, although Nomura's story may deviate from the source material. The original Xehanort and the original GLaDOS have now been reformed, and it is likely that they will pursue their original goals once again. Xehanort wants to start the Keyblade War and destroy the universe. GLaDOS' original goal is unclear, but considering that her first action was the attempted murder of her creators, her agenda probably involves killing all of humanity, possibly involving exploiting the power vacuum left by the departure of the Combine. Sora's goal in Kingdom Hearts 3 is to save all the people connected to his heart, so Chell's goal will probably be similar - saving all the test subjects still trapped in the Enrichment Center.
The co-op campaign of Portal 2 could provide clues to Xehanort's actions in Kingdom Hearts 3D, which seems to involve co-op elements. Portal 2's co-op mode concludes with the discovery of hundreds of test subjects in stasis. Xehanort, if he wants to start a Keyblade War, needs Keyblade wielders, so Kingdom Hearts 3D may involve finding them. It is noteworthy that Portal 2's co-op does NOT involve Chell and is about one of GLaDOS' goals, which suggests that the Riku and Sora in Kingdom Hearts 3D are not the characters we know and love, but impostors, perhaps replicas or data versions. Since GLaDOS is Xehanort, if Kingdom Hearts 3D parallels Portal 2's co-op, then Master Yensid is probably in league with Xehanort, since he will be testing Sora and Riku for the Mark of Mastery in KH3D. The release of KH3D will confirm or disprove these theories.
Although Kingdom Hearts is an adaptation and not a straight retelling, the similarities between it and Portal are impossible to ignore. Recognizing these parallels can provide hints to the futures of both franchises, so Kingdom Hearts III and Portal 3 (if they ever get made) should confirm that the two stories are really one and the same.
- And Xehanort is the Prototype Clone of Joel himself that was supposed to be released in episode 200, but with the Erasure of the Series, he Activated immediately and set every last event in the Kingdom Hearts Universe and the Whoniverse in Motion... yeah, thanks a lot, Phil
- It Turns out it was Because Homestar Runner somehow Imagined the Anthropomorphic Personification Of Extinction and Erasure in an attempt to escape another Decemberween with Mrs. Marzipan and her Latest Husband, Robot Chicken Executive Producer/Kingdom Hearts Concept Artist of America Seth Green but it might be Jossed with this and the Time War being a part of Joel's Ultamately Successful Scheme to Absorb every work of fiction along with every living creature that had ever existed in any point in time into his Virtual Environment.
- Sora teaching Shinji Ikari that He Is Not Alone, even when by himself.
- The Crowning Moment of Awesome of Back-to-Back Badasses with Noriko and Kazumi, taking out a massive legion of Heartless Space Monsters.
- Acquiring a Key-Drill-Blade
- A one-on-one duel with Master Asia. No mecha, just pure Charles Atlas Superpower.
- Acquiring Dividing Driver as an ability.
- Activating Xion's One-Winged Angel form and duking it out with Jeremiah Gottwald in his Knightmare Frame.
- And finding out that Roger Smith is indeed a louse.
- And then Gentaro Kisaragi overshadows each and every one of them.
- Seems legit.
There are several I believe could fit quite well into kingdom hearts.
- All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them.
- If you can dream it, you can do it.
- It's kind of fun to do the impossible
- When you believe in a thing, believe in it all the way, implicitly and unquestionable
- You can design and create, and build the most wonderful place in the world. But it takes people to make the dream a reality
- and the most famous of all...Around here, however, we dont look backwards for very long. We keep moving forward, opening up new doors and doing new things and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths.
Yep, feel free to add your ideas for quotes or shout outs to Disney. And context for the quotes!
- This troper wonders what Pinocchio and the Blue Fairy will think of Geno, and for that matter, the folks of The Frog Prince and the Pixar shorts will think of Mallow and Frogfucious.
- This troper actually had an idea for a fan game a few years back, where Mallow and Geno took Donald and Goofy's places as the protagonist's party members. It works especially well with Geno because, in the KH-verse, stars and hearts are one and the same. Heck, even Geno's real name starts with a heart symbol. The Star Road could be considered the heart of the Mushroom Kingdom (which would explain why it's a warp hub in Super Mario World), and Smithy destroying it would have been the catalyst for that world being consumed by the Heartless (explaining why the rest of the Mario 'verse isn't present). Geno would be an agent of the Star Road (or even Kingdom Hearts itself!), tasked with restoring the Mushroom Kingdom's heart, just like in the original game.
- Given how Hot-Blooded and prone to Unstoppable Rage Roxas is, I'd argue that he is instead the King of Hearts.
- Nah, that's angsty emotional outbursts, not fiery passion. And he's not nearly hammy enough. Don't quite think he's School of the Undefeated of the East material yet.
- Alternately, have the above happen as the introduction to a Wreck-It Ralph world. After the boss fight, the heroes realize that Ralph isn't all that bad (possibly with a reference to the fight with Captain Pete), which prompts Sora to let Ralph into the party as an ally. His Limit Break? Wait for it... Wrecking Crew!
- Maybe Slendy was a failed experiment by Ansem the Wise's apprentices; they tried to create a Heartless that retained its human form. Of course, everything Went Horribly Wrong and their test subject ended up being a Humanoid Abomination with characteristics of both humans (general body shape) and Heartless (featureless face, potential Combat Tentacles, bizarre proportions, etc.). The reason Slendy hunts people is because of the basic Heartless instinct to collect people's hearts.
- I think they're going to do it on the PS3, there's no way the PSP or Vita can handle that level of awesomeness. Besides ever since II people have wondered who would win a fight between Sora and Mickey. (Mickey no doubt about it)
Because why not? It'd be the perfect excuse to get various seiyuu, man and woman alike (pending, of course, on who exactly the last six members of the Organization are), to impersonate Norio Wakamoto. And seeing as such a feat is already commonplace in the seiyuu world (this is just one example of many), to the point that there will be an official competition this year (2012) based around imitating Mr. Wakamoto and judged by Wakamoto himself, now's as good a time as any to jump on the bandwagon.
- That and this troper also believed that DiZ never met the real Setzer and made him different than what he actually is, hence why Setzer wasn't like himself at the time.
- If one looks at his dissappearance and the dissapearance of all the other nobodies (Go on, watch those scenes on youtube, I can wait) it is markedly different than the dissapearances of the other nobodies destroyed. Whereas all the others vanish into darkness, Demyx instead dissappears in a fountain of water. His element is water, so logically,he could have used the fountain to cover his escape. this means that they can bring demyx back without having to some up with a name for his somebody, or a location to meet him in.
- In addition, Sephiroth isn't really there. Cloud's having a bad trip and Sora got a contact high from him, and the trip he took led to his appearance and personality in Kingdom Hearts. Tifa was looking for him in KH2 to make sure he didn't hurt himself on his high. That's why he's so brooding and depressed in that series. He's either tripping out and talking to the colours or he's coming down off a high and crashing. At one point, he probably woke up naked under a park bench or something and covered in peanut butter and cotton swabs, and had to get some clothes fast. So he stole Vincent's. He's coherent in the Battle Of A Thousand Heartless because Tifa found his ass, smacked some sense into him, chucked him into a cold freaking shower and told him to get his shit together. By the time he finds his own clothes again, the moogles have seen the results and have started slipping him stuff for a combination of fun and profit. When you beat Sephiroth the second time, Cloud shows up high as a kite and thinking Sephiroth's real, just like Sora did with his contact high. When Tifa shows up, she realizes that Cloud's drugged-out mind is really vulnerable at the present time and so she indulges his crazy delusions until the acid he took wears off. He's never exactly been stable to begin with, so he'd probably be that much worse if he ever did any heavy shit. That's why Sephiroth looks just like Cloud (seriously, he does), and even has blue eyes he spotted a mirror at exactly the wrong time, and had a bad trip over it, and figures that he's "his inner darkness".
- Also, why Sephiroth's sword is so much longer in this game than others - Cloud's sense of scale is really fucked up from all those drugs.
- He hallucinates Aeris, Aeris' twin sister, to make himself feel better and to have something to help him cope with his trip. That's why she's all calm and soothing and bland the whole time she's just a figment he created to help him deal with all the terrifying shit coming at him constantly.
- Cid chews on a stick instead of a cigarette not because of censorship, but because he's afraid that Cloud will use "but Cid smokes!" to justify his drug addiction.
- Cloud wrapped the Buster Sword up so that he wouldn't accidentally cut himself in his drug-induced stupor.
- Cloud joined up with Hades in KH1 because Hades was actually a dealer. It's where he got his supply before the Moogles took over.
- Weird as this series is, that actually sounds plausible.
- Why does this sound rather familiar?
Hence his emo edgelord misery-guts mopeyness. He was still suffering from geostigma (hence why he considers Sephiroth "his Darkness") and Sora-Donald-Mickey beating the crap out of Sephy is what will help permanently boot him out once Aeris Ex Machina happens.
- Hey, I'd settle for Megalomania returning as boss music.
- Do you really need to point this out?
So anyways, it goes like this...
Xemnas: The Fool
Xigbar: The Magician
Xaldin: The Priestess
Vexen: The Empress
Lexaeus: The Emperor
Zexion: The Hierophant
Saix: The Lovers (The Moon)
Axel: The Chariot (The Sun)
Luxord: The Hermit
Roxas: The Hanged Man
Namine is trying to piece together Sora's memories after being forced to mess it up by the Organization and Xion has to die and Roxas has to merge with Sora for Sora's sake, so she's responsible for bringing these other sides of Sora together, sort of. She also merges with Kairi, so you know...
Now, let's see what we can get from the other arcana, shall we?
Temperance: Kairi, mirroring Namine.
The Devil: Riku. Sure, he got past his Deal with the Devil a long time ago, but "knowledge, ambition, occult forces, or the need to balance indulgence and abstinence" still fits him.
The Tower: Terra. Pride before a fall and all that.
The Star: Aqua. "Omen of the coming of the chosen one?" Well, she's the most Sora-like of the Birth By Sleep trio, and she's the one who charged Sora with keeping Riku on track. Plus, the card is heavily associated with water, which is her element, and she also made the Wayfinder pendants, which are star-shaped.
The Moon: No clue. Saix / Isa would arguably fit better here than under the Lovers, but he's still on the villain side.
The Sun: Lea. Sure, he's technically already on this list as Axel, but the Chariot isn't nearly as good a fit as the Sun.
Judgement: Mickey. He's working hard to be Xehanort's Good Counterpart, getting the gang ready for the Final Battle.
The World: Sora, of course, though just like the Persona protagonists, he can play The Fool just as well as Xemnas can, bringing us full circle.
Both of their names are a reference to the imaginary number and they have black hair and blue eyes(though I-No eyes are said to change in color).
HYDRA sent Marluxia and Larxene into Organization XIII to infiltrate it because they want Kingdom Hearts for themselves. Their scheming to overthrow Xemnas is actually so they can hand the Organization over to HYDRA. In addition, Marluxia whispers something in Sora's ear as an Absent Silhouette that we don't get to hear. He was saying "Hail HYDRA."
- Furthermore, attempting to enter the truck awakens the terrifyingly powerful creature guarding it from beneath...Mew. CUE BOSS BATTLE against the small, fast, and evasive 'mon who will gleefully spam attacks including, but not limited to Judgment, Sacred Fire, Spacial Rend, Light of Ruin, Dark Void, AND MANY MORE. Defeating Mew will not only allow you access to the TRUE door to Kingdom Hearts, but will also yield a unique Keyblade.
Either way, he's not happy to be returning to France once again later on. That explains his crabbiness with the Beast, who with his criminal-like demeanor makes the Nobody's old personality rise again (perhaps he reminds him of Valjean?).
- If Star Wars is included, it would be either an accidental crash-landing, or as a character from the series arriving in Traverse Town, completely fed up with everything in the more standard Disney worlds.
- It's just that the region where Sora and the others live is so geographically removed from the movie's events that all they have in common is a Polynesian setting. With this being so, Sora will inevitably find out his homeworld is much bigger than he thought it was...