- He found uses for the Gargoyles even after they had their falling out. It's extremely likely he knew where it was, but just kept the knowledge to himself in case he had to contact them.
- In "Possession" Puck knew where to find the Manhattan clan. Granted, he's magic, but if he knows then Xanatos probably knows.
The holonovel was created prior to the Voyager's mission. Picard and Sisko have met in canon; doing this show together was their way of patching up their differences. Uhura was frozen or in stasis or stuck in a transporter buffer or caught in a black hole's time-dilation field or in the Nexus, etc. Or it was her identically-voiced granddaughter.
- Or a holocharacter based on Uhura. Remember, by the 24th century the TOS crew were all seen as legendary historic figures.
- So all the characters not voiced by Star Trek actors are what, Redshirts? I guess being main characters must have a special allure to them.
- Behind the scenes, the co-creator explained that Disney Standards and Practices would not allow stabbing, shooting, strangling, or other violent death on screen, so everybody on the show had to die in a fall — except the gargoyles, who get smashed to pieces in their sleep, but with no blood; and Duncan, who died from the magical equivalent of a bomb-blast to the face, but that act couldn't be duplicated by kids watching the show.
- Except Macbeth clearly was stabbed in the back the first time he "died" (except he didn't really die) Duncan's death was also re-created in "Future Tense" with Alexander Fox Xanatos (Except that was a fantasy). It seems there are exceptions as long as said death isn't "real."
- So Standards and Practices at Disney have a fear of heights, and are making their dramatic cartoons as scary as possible...
- The question of whether Gargoyles were alien in origin was touched on in the episode "Sentinel." Greg Weisman said that he intended the episode to be definite proof that they are not aliens, but he also admitted that he failed miserably. Perhaps he couldn't prove it because it wasn't true.
- Word of God stated that the Garygoyles evolved from Cretaceous period dinosaurs - or were created in the Garden of Eden depending on your personal spiritual beliefs. So, this WMG is true if you go in for panspermia.
- Not dinosaurs, just something that lived at the same time. Greg Weisman admits he isn't an expert on palaeontology and isn't making specifics.
Johan had manipulated her into thinking that no one would ever like her again if she was a mutant. With this, she tries to commit suicide. The plan is foiled thanks to Talon.
Why not just hunt? She enjoys scaring them. Maybe she was finding allies or artifacts to set up future schemes.
Most descriptions of the beast make it sound more like Brooklyn, or maybe a meaner version of Una, but we've seen that the Manhattan clan AREN'T the last of their kind and that time travel works if you have the Phoenix Gate — you just can't change anything. There was an unmade spinoff that involved Brooklyn getting lost in time. He wouldn't be the first person to go a little crazy after such a trip. Even if he WASN'T crazy, humans have been known to react badly to the gargoyles under the best circumstances. The Puritan era in which the Jersey Devil first appeared would almost certainly NOT be a good place for a gargoyle.
- Alternatively, there was (or is) a clan of gargoyles living in the Pine Barrens. To start with they may have been Unami (Lenape) speakers but they may speak english by now.
- The story of Mother Leed's thirteenth child may have it's roots in a possible extramarital affair with a male of this clan and the anxiety aroudn the resultign child, being given occult and demonic connotations in so-called Almanac Wars that included Ben Franklin.
- Brave, noble leader with a buff build.
- Big, dumb-but-loveable lummox voiced by Bill Fagerbakke.
- Slim Lancer voiced by Jeff Bennett.
- Old, battle-scarred veteran as second-in-command, with a beer gut.
- Little guy (this one's the biggest stretch).
- Female human sidekick of an ethnic minority, who helps explain things about modern human society to the other heroes. Becomes the same kind of non-human being as the others at some point. Also has a close male family member who gets used for evil-doing by one of the villains.
- Not to mention a passionate love between the leader and another woman who he was forced to leave behind for years and in their time apart the woman had time to broil a hatred of humanity and plot their destruction and the fact that they've turned into the things they hate most (Demona into a human and Blackarachnia into an organic mutant spider).
- Lexington is gay according to Word of God (the show was cancelled before they found a way to introduce it in a way palatable for Disney), so that's not really far-fetched.
- If this is true, and if "Xanatos is Gendo" is true, then there's a major disaster in the making here.
- This theory has been confirmed by Word of God, and Demona was involved. But clearly, the gargoyles were useful to Xanatos: they stole the data he needed to build his robots, and at the end of Season Two, they return to the castle to guard his skyscraper, just like he wanted from the beginning.
- So he had multiple reasons. Including, probably, wanting to see if it worked.
- There's a reason they named a gambit after him, after all. He never does anything for just one goal.
- So he had multiple reasons. Including, probably, wanting to see if it worked.
- I support this theory now.
- This is plausible. I'd almost say it doesn't belong here.
- Word of God says she's Arabic, so I'm throwing my cards in here. Shari can even said to be a nickname and she spends her NIGHTS telling stories to Thailog. This one's so obvious I'm surprised it hasn't been confirmed yet.
Easy. It was magic, and those were potions.
It's also never explained just how he survives being electrocuted by all those eels.
Whether he's a human sorceror or a member of The Fair Folk (or hybrid like Fox) is unknown.
- He could be a descendant of the Archmage.
- Alternative/Expansion: Sevarius is a magical being and an Evil Counterpart of Puck. After all, he must have figured out Demona's super-virus represented a threat to the entire human race... so why facilitate its creation unless he had nothing to fear from it?
We get a brief glimpse of the Director in "Losers", but his face is hidden in shadow. His haircut is a little off, but from what we see, he's not that different from Matt. Now, why would they bother hiding his face unless he was someone we know? Granted, I don't know what Matt is doing in Paris, but doesn't this make at least some sense?
- Somewhat Jossed. According to the official time line, Sacrifice would be too young to be Lex's mother. She could be his aunt or older sister, though. And "Zadkiel" could very well be her son by Second
- Could still be true, for a completely different reason. If Lex is he's parents oldest child, then their youngest child could have been born on Avalon.
- Somewhat closed to being Jossed, since the design that Greg would like to use for Broadway's biological sister is hairless, suggested that their mother might also have been bald.
- Alternatively, Hudson was blonde when he was young. Admit he looks pretty damn good◊ that way.
- His facial structure in that picture looks like Goliath's.
- What does he hope to gain from that?
- After years of misery he'll swoop in and make everyone's lives better, and a grateful society will declare him ruler for life.
- No, no, no. He's helping us all do better in English. Once he reveals himself as our benefactor, he can use his army of indebted literary critics (who willingly put themselves through Training from Hell) to get rid of his Shakespearean and folkloric enemies without getting his hands dirty. Face it, we owe him now.
Promotional materials for the Gargoyles: Dark Ages spinoff showed Hudson and Goliath fighting a dragon, apparently still extant in the middle-ages. However, that's the only "real" dragon shown in a universe where All Myths Are True.
Ergo, the Lost Race, the first species to achieve sapience on Earth, are none other than the Dragons, who probably went extinct during the Dark Ages, fighting against both Gargoyles and humans.
- Oberon sent them into the world to learn humility. For the most part they did, Banshee did not, at least not sufficiently, and was punished for it. Titania learned her lesson and that allowed her to realize that Oberon had now fallen woefully behind . Naturally, she set out to teach her lord the lesson, for his own benefit, while protecting the mortals she had come to care for. So I guess what I'm saying is that it's a mix, Titania was behind a great many things but only because of Oberon's own actions leading her there.
- After Goliath struggled alongside Xanatos to save Fox's life in "Eye of the Beholder" and agreed to help Xanatos stop Demona in "City of Stone," Xanatos may well have realized that Goliath was more useful to him alive than dead. If nothing else, saving Goliath's life was Pragmatic Villainy, and Xanatos is nothing if not pragmatic.
Of course, once Oberon restricted Puck's magic to training/defending Alexander, Puck could no longer enforce the Masquerade and the Gargoyle's cover was blown during Hunter's Moon.
Alternative explanations based on the same premise
- The Weird Sisters and Oberon himself maintained the status quo during their own actions. The Weird Sisters wouldn't want anything interfering with their plans and they were shown lurking around the city dealing with the mortals during the episode. Oberon, despite his rage, holds no malice to neither human nor Gargoyle and while his sleep spell caused several casualties it also likely made them forget about anything strange they'd seen. After all, it's his own law that they not interfere directly with mortals, he even adopts a human disguise while among them until he runs into Titania.
- A Gargoyle? No, the first Gargoyle, or at least Gargoyle Adam, so to speak.
- Goliath does bare a striking resemblance.
[[WMG: Schrödinger's CatThe real reason Xanatos is such a good schemer? You can't tell if something was one of his plans or not until he tells you. So he says they are, most of the time. It is objectively indeterminate whether or not some event was planned by Xanatos until it's revealed.
- Though there's no way to confirm it, as both are still alive at the end of the show- I'm inclined to think that owing to their link, the killer would simply drop dead at the same instant as the killed, regardless of circumstances (so if, say, Macbeth sniped Demona without her being aware he was there, he'd keel over at the same moment she did, no falling objects or Taking You with Me needed).
- She's one of Falstaff's minions and is captured by the team at the end of their miniseries. Since everyone on the team is a Boxed Crook anyway, and Fang joined under fairly similar circumstances, it's possible that she'll get the same deal.
- Gargoyles are Mutants. They both work on the same premise: intelligent, human-like creatures with seemingly supernatural powers, from a parallel species that evolved alongside humans and exists to protect them even as they're hated and feared by them. The difference is that they're a true species (not just humans with deformities and weird powers), they have a consistent physiology, their appearance is inhuman enough that quietly living among humans isn't an option, they've had centuries to develop their own unique culture, they've only barely escaped complete extinction, and they don't have a benevolent Charles Xavier Expy to speak on their behalf.
- Demona is Magneto. Like Magneto, she's a Well-Intentioned Extremist who hates humans, and she had a close relationship with the leader of the main crime-fighting Gargoyles team before betraying him. She also takes Magneto's hatred of humans to its logical extent, becoming outright genocidal, and she's visibly psychotic enough that no one else in her species wants to side with her.
- Or, building off of a theory offered by Lindsay Ellis, Demona is also an Alternate Universe equivalent of Mystique. Think about it: a shifty, tortured blue-skinned, red-haired female terrorist with a grudge against the human race, secretly the mother of one member of the crime-fighting team, has a talent for seduction, uses shapeshifting (from human to gargoyle form, anyway...) to achieve her goals...
- David Xanatos is Tony Stark. No-brainer (he's even got the custom-built Powered Armor). He's got all of Tony's charisma, intelligence and imagination, but he's also got an ego and a lust for power to match, and he shows us Tony's ambition taken to its logical extent: he's long since figured out that it's more profitable to manipulate the world's do-gooders than it is to bankroll or join them, and he's decided to use his wealth and intelligence to further his own agenda instead of helping the planet. His egotism is also the reason that none of his futuristic technology has changed society in any noticeable ways—he can't risk any "mere mortals" profiting from his technology and screwing up his plans for the world.
- And a member of the Illuminati. Score.
- Oberon's Children are Asgardians. They've got their fingers in all of the world's mythologies, they all follow their own agendas, many of them are either manipulative or totally psychotic, some of them follow their own inscrutable moral codes, and not even the most sympathetic of them are willing to bring themselves down to humanity's level and become benevolent crusaders like Thor.
- The Redemption Squad are The Avengers. They're the one example of a diverse team of costumed metahumans in the Gargoyles 'verse uniting to become a true crimefighting team. And the one time that it happens, it happens because they're former criminals (many of them amoral or totally crazy) who only agree to work together because it gives them a shot at clearing their names. Thus, they offer a cynical take on the Super Team, putting the concept in a universe where very few people are altruistic enough to form one purely for the good of society.
- Wouldn't they be the Thunderbolts, then?
- Anton Sevarius is Nathaniel Essex. He's power-hungry Mad Scientist with a talent for manipulating people's genetics, but he's smart enough to profit from manipulating other people instead of trying to give himself superpowers (hence, he retains a major presence in the series even after the Gargoyles defeat him). He also ensures that no one ever gets superpowers from Freak Lab Accidents in the Gargoyles verse—they only get them from controlled lab experiments planned by him (hence, there's no Peter Parker and no Bruce Banner).
- The Space Spawn, N'Kai, and the unnamed third species are the Kree, Shi'ar and Skrull, respectively. The few advanced alien races in the Gargoyles 'verse are largely unseen, preferring to remain in the shadows (or just being too far beyond what human technology can detect). When they finally do become directly involved in human affairs, though, they won't be disposed of in one measly Monster of the Week episode—their appearance will herald the total occupation of Earth, with a decades-long guerrilla war following it.
First, Oberon: Oberon is the most powerful of the Third Race, and he tends to wield that power like a sledgehammer. By pitting him against David Xanatos, Oberon is forced to strategize rather than busting down the door. Also, by humiliating her husband this way, she's teaching him a lesson in not picking on smaller creatures.
Second, Fox and David. While it's unlikely that Titania disapproves of their Machiavellian lifestyle, it's really not good for the baby's long-term health if Mommy and Daddy are out making enemies. By giving the Xanatoses a taste of their own medicine, she's curbing their tendencies towards supervilliany. Titania is also providing them with guardians, as well: the Gargoyles.
By dragging the Manhattan Clan into the family dispute, Titania is laying the foundations for the Gargoyles moving back into the castle. Since Goliath saved Alexander, Xanatos is indebted to them, and provides shelter for the clan at the end of the series.
A few other points:
- The Illuminati become Section 31
- The space spawn are the Borg.
- The Third race are actually powerful aliens like Apollo or the Squire of Gothos.
- Xanatos shared the secret of immortality with his father who in the future in known as Kyle Riker.
- Riker's attraction to Troy is partially because of her uncanny resemblance to Demona.
Perhaps most telling is the fact that Brooklyn is the only other member of the clan to know Latin. In "Temptation" he was able to read the Grimorum to search for a counter-spell and seemed confident that he would be able to perform it. In "Hunter's Moon" he states his "Latin is rusty" but is still able to recognize the kind of spell Demona is casting. The easiest way to explain Brooklyn having this kind of knowledge is if he was once mentored by Demona back in the Middle Ages.
- "The story is told, though who can say if it be true, that a bishop from Myra by the name of Nicholas wanted to give a golden ball to a young lady with no money for a dowry."
"The story is told, though who can say if it be true, that the infant god Zeus was nourished by milk from a goat called Amalthea. When Amalthea died, Zeus honored her by creating the constellation Capricorn and blessed one of her horns so that it was always full of good things to eat."
"The story is told, though who can say if it be true, that the Cauldron of Life would bestow any who bathed in it a life as long as the mountain stones."
"The story is told, though who can say if it be true, that the gods gave a woman named Pandora a box and told her never to open it."
"The story is told, though who can say if it be true, that the God of Abraham loved the world so much he gave his only begotten son."
"The story is told, though who can say if it be true, of Andhrimnir, chef to the Norse gods, and his cauldron, Eldhrimnir, in which the same boar is cooked every night."
"The story is told, though who can say if it be true, of a cup known as Jamshid that would give all who would possess it the elixir of immortality, revelation of great truths and insight into all seven heavens of the universe."
"The story is told, though who can say if it be true, of a girl named Margarita who married Marquis Blankenheim. Heartbroken to find that he didn't truly love her, Margarita made a vial of poison that she gave him, insisting that it was a sleeping potion that would bring sweet dreams."
- Or alternately the victim was one of the bikers. Since it was his gun left at the scene the bikers' leader may have been the victim, likely killed by Demona to ensure his silence.
Gryffindor made an attempt to parlay with Demona and invite her and the rest of the clan to stay at Hogwarts. Demona refused to even listen to a human's proposal. When he said he was not an ordinary human but a wizard, Demona flew into a rage and would've killed Gryffindor if he didn't have both a sword and wand. Demona's memory of this event is somewhat warped. She sees Gryffindor as a wicked human who stole members of her clan then attacked her.
Since then, there has been a clan of gargoyles watching over Hogwarts. Harry met one guarding Dumbledor's office. They were among those who defended the castle during the Battle of Hogwarts. As for Truth, she took a mate, bore 3 eggs and died at the ripe age of 185. This means Hudson has some great to the nth power grandchildren he doesn't know about. Because Hogwarts is implottable, he may never know.
- I could see this. They might have a cat theme and be called either The Prowl or The Pride. They'd have names like Lion, Tiger, Panther, Cheetah and Lynx.
- Tinkerbell. Or Tinkabelinos, perhaps. Greg does appear to appreciate other Disney media, and if necessary the Children can apparently take forms small enough for Tink (Greg says Queen Mab does).
- Someone called Gloriana
- Ganieda, the sister of Merlin from very early, oft-forgotten Arthurian lore, updated to half-sister.
- Sir Huon of Bordeaux? He's a character from the first ever literary appearance of Oberon, in the 13th century. Nothing in that story suggests that he's related to Oberon, but then again few things are accurate.
- Prospero from The Tempest. He's in the Gargoyles universe but otherwise we know nothing about him.
- Prospero seems unlikely because he's (probably) human. A child of Oberon and Titania would (probably) be all Third Race. But perhaps he could be Ariel from the same play note
- It's confirmed that a "Lexington Xanatos Corporation" was planned to exist in that spin-off. Other than that I don't believe it's been proven one way or another whether Xanatos himself is still around.
They took DNA from various animals like reptiles, mammals, birds, etc. to create the gargoyle beasts (i.e. the likes of Bronx). Eventually, they also sampled human DNA to create the bipedal, sapient gargoyles (which would really explain why they're so human-like).
Though what gave these guys the idea of having gargoyles turn to stone during daytime is anyone's guess (though Dr. Sevarius' theory that they use solar energy to "recharge" themselves may be true).
- There is nothing to suggest that any other spell in the Grimorum would have suited the Magus' purposes better; he wanted to neutralize as many gargoyles in as little time as possible, and he knew (as shown in "Long Way to Morning") that it didn't turn out too well for the last wizard who tried to blast gargoyles with lightning. (As for mind control, that wouldn't have done anything the Magus wanted to do anyway.) Maybe the "stone by night" curse would have done the job just as well, but it affects everybody who sees and hears it being cast, human or gargoyle. Word of God is that when the Magus was paging through the Grimorum earlier in "Awakening, Part One," he was specifically looking for a spell that could neutralize gargoyles without neutralizing humans.
If Petros is Odin, it means David is half-fairy like Fox, explaining some of his good fortune and near-superhuman intellect. It also means Alexander is half-fairy on both his parents' side rather than just one-quarter fairy, explaining why he has as much magical potential as he does.
- It could well be the other way around. Duval is implied to be very old, seeing as he was probably active back in 10th century Scotland under the name Brother Valmont. So perhaps Peredur is Duval's son by Fleur/a clone (the former seems more likely; Peredur does resemble her somewhat). If Fleur and Duval are his parents, then it makes all the more sense that he thinks of them as the two he loves most.
- But if Peredur isn't the original Percival, why would he go by the name "fab Ragnal" ("son of Ragnal", that being Percival's mother in legend)? Perhaps he was raised to believe he is the real Percival?
- Technically, the Stone calls him Peredur fab Ragnal, and Ask Greg once indicated that it was only "sort of" his real name. That might make the "clone" theory more plausible, since if he's a clone of the original Percival, the Stone would recognize him as pretty much the same guy. Right?
- Building off of that, Greg has hinted that the Illuminati's intentions have something to do with "setting things right" after the death of King Arthur. Maybe Perciduval got it into his head to try and raise a new perfect king as Arthur's replacement.