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- They burnt the child because they knew suspicion would fall on Daenarys' dragons, forcing her to lock them up, thereby driving a wedge between Daenarys and her dragons so that they would be less trusting of her and willing to aid her in battle against the Sons of the Harpy.
- That scene where Drogon killed that goat is an obvious Red Herring since we see him in action as "the black shadow" and burning that goat. But even there, Drogon deliberately flies away from that child focusing only on the goat. It's clear there that Daenerys trained him well to leave humans unless she commands it. That burnt skeleton could either be faked or from an already dead child, burnt in the pyre. As to who did that?
- Other potential suspects: Hizdahr, the Meereenese ruling party or probably Tywin Lannister who sends letters to Meereen, we see him "out" Jorah's former treachery to Dany, he's not beyond killing children, and it is the kind of manipulative trick he'd pull to force Dany to imprison her own dragons.
- Considering how striking she must have been when she was young and how Maester Aemon still seems to have feelings for her, it would be a very sad What Could Have Been, especially considering that their union might have actually produced a more stable, less Crapsack World with a sane king and a competent and intelligent queen.
- Maester Aemon is a hundred years old(in the books and his actor is in his 90s) while Olenna is a good twenty-twenty five years younger. Of course given the age difference its possible. Moreover, Olenna is quite dismissive of that Targaryen Prince and mocking. Given that Aemon's brother Aegon V, "Egg" became the last good Targaryen ruler and in the lore, he married for love but forbade his children from doing so, and the fact that Olenna is a contemporary of Tywin, at least in the show(where he's 67), its likely that Prince was Aerys II, which means that Olenna dodged a real bullet just as she ensured Margaery did with Joffrey.
- It's probably not Aemon. In The World of Ice & Fire, its revealed that Olenna Redwyne was engaged to Daeron Targaryen, son of Aegon V (a.k.a Egg). That guy backed out of the marriage because he was gay...which makes Margaery a History Repeats.
- Or this subplot could be trimmed down simply to Tormund being sent north to treat with the army on behalf of the captured Mance.
However, Rattleshirt will refuse Tormund's terms, and be captured in a second battle later. This will earn him a visit to the pyre, sparing us the ADWD Rattleshirt/Mance glamor switcheroo nonsense.
- Casting sheets say that Varamyr Sixskins is being cast for season 5, and he could easily replace the Weeper or Rattleshirt.
- Bronn: Maybe he and Lolys (who is also scheduled to be cast) run away to Dorne in order to escape a wrathful Cersei and end up embroiled in the politics there.
- Less-than-semi, but still confirmed: Bronn did go to Dorne, but with a different companion and for different reasons.
- Jorah: Now he is banished and wandering the world, maybe he ends up in Dorne for a time before or during his joining up with Tyrion.
- Yara: The Ironborn are raiding everywhere they can, and given the alterations made to the Ironborn plotline it isn't unfathomable she might try to raid Dorne.
- I would count Yara out, on the grounds that she's already been thoroughly humiliated once. She's still supposed to be a formidable warrior, but if she's bested by both Ramsay and Obara, it would be hard for anyone, in or out of universe, to take her seriously again.
- Jossed; she didn't appear in S5 at all, and only met them as part of the greater Targaryen alliance in the beginning of S7, then was tasked with escorting them to Dorne which got her owned by Euron for the time being.
- Daario: Is also out of Meereen and known for wanting to take a proactive stance with regards to potential enemies of Dany.
- Loras: erm....maybe he gets sent to Dorne by Cersei to make sure Myrcella is protected.
- Jaime: Given her likely psychotic hatred of the Lannisters, he seems an obvious target and it could be a reversal of his fight scene with Ned in season 1.
- Ser Meryn Trant: Because everyone wants to see this guy get repeatedly stabbed.
- He could easily be sent to Dorne as a guard for Myrcella if the role of Arys Oakheart is cut, too. (Same with Loras should he join the Kingsguard in season 5)
- Gendry: It would give him a chance to make a cameo....okay, I'm reaching with this one.
- Jossed; he didn't appear before Season 7.
- Maybe she will take over for Quentyn Martell and marches with Tyrion and Co. to Essos to find the Dragon Queen, along the way she could meet say, Jorah Mormont, Ser Barristan, Daario, Grey Worm and finally decide to free the dragons and get roasted.
- Jossed; Obara (along with the rest of her half-sisters and her stepmother) only met Dany at the Dragonstone, then was sent to secure matters in Dorne. Gladly, she didn't make it there.
- Plus, there are a number of characters who are not present in the show that die in the books. Either Grey Worm or Missanei's death will replace one of theirs.
- Lannisters: As of Season 4 they're going broke, Tywin isn't exactly getting any younger, his eldest son can't legally inherit his titles, he refuses to name his only other son as his heir ( and given Tyrion's arrest, its quite unlikely Tywin will ever change his mind also Tywin is dead), and Cersei isn't exactly the best candidate to bring the house back to its former glory.
- Three Lannisters left. One is (likely) mad, one is unable to take the throne, and the third is a wanted convict and allied with another house. It doesn't look pretty.
- Tyrells: Their only male heir is gay and less likely to father any children, but of course averted if Loras decides to take one for the team.
- Appears to be confirmed, now that all Tyrell heirs are dead.
- Cemented as of S7E3; with Lady Olenna dead, the Tyrells are effectively extinct.
- Baratheon: Stannis' wife is unable to give him any sons, and his only daughter is an Ill Girl.
- With Stannis and his daughter dead, the only Barratheons left are bastards, aren't they?
- That's confirmed. And considering set photos from season 7 are showing Gendry dressed up like a Lord, it seems a safe bet that Davos brings him back to Dragonstone to take over leadership of the house. Possibly with Dany's consent.
- With Stannis and his daughter dead, the only Barratheons left are bastards, aren't they?
- Targaryen: Daenerys doesn't currently have any heirs, and in the books its implied that she's infertile.
- If it's later revealed and proven that Lyanna went with Rhaegar willingly and they married, then Jon is Dany's legitimate nephew, and the legitimate direct male heir of the Mad King. With his obvious brotherly love toward Sansa, Arya and Bran, then the Starks do end up in a very strong position indeed, as well as all of the Northerners that proclaimed their loyalty to Jon.
- Bolton: House appears to be exterminated now, unless the Ramsey Bastard has a Bastard.
- Frey: House appears to be exterminated. Walder Frey is certainly dead, and leaks suggest Arya (using his face) arranges a banquet at which the other heirs (and anyone else with a hand in the Red Wedding) die.
- Confirmed in the very first scene of S7's opening, where all the Frey males are poisoned by Arya.
- Mostly confirmed, with the exception of Rickon. The two remaining Starks (aside from Bran, whose ability to produce heirs is doubtful, given his paralysis) are female, Jon is apparently taking the title King in the North under the surname Snow, but may later be publicly revealed to be a Targaryen.
Who built that trap? Craster. He lives in the asscrack of the world and needs every pelt and bit of meat he can get his hands on, moreso in winter. It also provides defense against predators (like direwolves) or even other wildlings that might smell his tasty pork getting fried and want to raid his place. He's only one man and his wives don't seem battle trained after all.
Which leads us to the question of why, once Ghost fell on a trap laid by Craster that the mutineers probably didn't even know existed, they decided to *not* kill him and make him a nice cover. It's because Rast hates Ghost, going back to that incident in Season 1, and Karl wants to fuck with Rast because he is a bully. So Karl makes Rast care for Ghost, even if it costs him food, because he finds it amusing.
- It's unlikely this will ever be confirmed due to the whole...dead mutineers thing.
- I believe in the books it was strongly suggested that the dragon skull Arya hides in in season 1 while Varys and Ilyrio are plotting belonged to Balerion, but I don't know if it's stated explicitly.
- The scene in the books where Reek is telling Roose Bolton that he has "wounds" under his clothes will certainly have a new horrifying meaning. A forced sex change with medieval tools...more Brain Bleach, please.
- Biggest Fake!Arya crackpot theory: She will be Trans!Reek. Reek knows Winterfell. Ramsay always wants Reek by his side. Reek's demeanor is so different from Theon that no one will recognize him in female clothing, even less so in Winterfell where everyone who knew him there was killed or taken in chains to the Dreadfort by Ramsay. Instead of saving Fake!Arya, Reek will save himself when Ramsay wants to get intimate. Roose and Walda's children, if they have any, will be passed for Ramsay's.
- Does your chain of events include Sam's father, Lord Randyll? Because whether or not he was meant to inherit, he's done a fairly good job lording the house. ...Well, if by "good" we include "forcing your son to join the Night's Watch because he would make a poor lord," but let's be honest: he might have been a jackass about it, but he was not wrong.
Since Joyeuse Frey has been Killed Off for Real in the adaptation, the producers could easily have him reappear and take Devan's place, which would gender-invert the marriage pact that was made in the books. Also, Emmon Frey was an It's All About Me Jerkass who loved to boast about being the new Lord of Riverrun, which wouldn't be at all out-of-character for the old weasel. Even better, with the Brotherhood Without Banners at Riverrun "making plans for the wedding", Lord Frey could suffer a Death by Adaptation at the "Red Wedding 2.0".
- I like this theory. I think he knows she is his daughter. In "The Climb", when she is about to fall, he is more worried than he was when all the others fell.
- In season 3, when she's trying to comfort Sansa about the positives of marrying Tyrion, she mentions that he's said to be quite skilled, and that women are very hard to pleased, among other things. Sansa asks her how she knew that, and if her mother had told her. Margaery hesitates, as wondering if she should screw with Sansa's innocence and adoration for her or not, and then she unconvincingly says that yeah, her mother told her. Now, for her to be betrothed to Joffrey, having Loras vouch for her maidenhood wouldn't be enough. Surely there would have been some sort of official "checking", so she must be a maiden still. Now, what would they be looking at to confirm she's a maiden? Exactly. So if she's indeed "versed" in sex, she must have either had only anal sex with men, or have non-penetrative sex with other women. The second option wouldn't be so far fetched, considering what his brother is like, and how nonchalant her grandmother was when confronted by Tywin about the rumors about him.
- While this could be true, we cannot take for granted that she is Technical Virgin. Checking the hymen isn't very reliable, since many women lose their hymens while riding, and characters in the books (including Cersei, who would love to find a way to get rid of Margaery) freely admit it.
- Because non-penetrative sex between heterosexual couples doesn't exist, obviously.
- The whole speech did seem to imply his familiarity at the very least with the book's Many-Faced God. Might be the creators have a little inside info that they need to hint at a connection to The Faceless Men and Syrio for some reason. However they could just as easily be using a native Braavosi to introduce Arya to the concept of the god of death without it seeming like heavy handed exposition. Just simply planting the seed for the future story lines. I do hope it is the case as it's one of my favourite theories or failing that Syrio returns in some other way.
- Er, what? Isn't "Not today?" the exact opposite of "valar morghulis"?
- Eh, "All Men Must Die." doesn't mean it has to be today they die. "All Men Must Die but Not Today."?
- The motto is two parts; "All Men Must Die; All Men Must Serve." There's a WMG somewhere that proposes that as Braavos is a former slave city, "serve" is next to synonymous with "live", as in "I can't die today, I'm busy serving".
- Interestingly, one of Jaqen's other identities, The Alchemist, is actually described in the books as looking a fair amount like TV!Syrio- he has thick, black curly hair and a fairly large, hooked nose. This would make it easy for the show to confirm this theory, by having Jaqen be a different actor, and then transform back into (a disguised) Syrio as The Alchemist. Still, as noted below, it's hard to believe that Syrio survived his last appearance- if Trant/Syrio is alive, then Syrio/Trant shouldn't be.
- Actually he could be. If he could somehow escape the room (either by disarming Trant or simply escaping through the window), it's unlikely Trant would tell anyone that he was outmaneuvered by the little girl's dance instructor. Trant could have easily coerced his guards into backing some story of Syrio's demise to save himself the embarassment/punishment.
- Possible evidence in the season 2 finale; When Jaqen says goodbye to Arya, he calls her "Arya Stark", despite Arya never telling him her name.
- Why stop there? I'm pretty sure the season finale will end with the Lannister and Stark armies converging on King's Landing, the gates swing open, and all we'll see is Syrio Forel, standing atop a pile of shishkebabbed Lannisters.
- We last saw him face Ser Meryn Trant in a fight to the death. Meryn Trant has survived the encounter as he hits Sansa in the season finale.
- Not to mention, one of the heads on spikes in the same scene may be his. It's difficult to tell, but it may be the one to the left of the Septa's.
- In the books, it's never elaborated on whether he was killed or not, or what happened to him. The only reference to him up through book 5 is a brief reference to him—still referred to as Arya's dancing master—interfering with their attempt to grab Arya resulting in her getting away.
- Additionally, George R. R. Martin has never actually confirmed that Syrio died, only vaguely hinted at it, which is highly unusual since he has confirmed outright every other offscreen death thus far. It's possible he's leaving himself an opening in case readers and viewers want Syrio to make another appearance.
- Ned, one of the principle instigators of the Baratheon rebellion, is no longer head of the Stark family, Robb and Catelyn want vengeance for Ned's execution, and the man who killed Dany's father in the first place, Jaime Lannister, is in Stark custody. The Starks, furthermore, have no interest in the Iron Throne, instead content to govern themselves and see to the problems in the North. It would be a mutually beneficial partnership: The Starks assist Danaerys, her legitimacy to the throne reinforced by the fact that she's truly of the Dragon's blood(immunity to fire) and one of the symbols of the Targaeryens' Mandate of Heaven(of sorts) was their dragons which Dany's returned to the world. The Starks, meanwhile, want to just be left alone in Winterfell(hell, they might not completely secede from Westeros if Joffrey's beheaded, the Lannisters wiped out, and a new king/queen is on the Throne that they're no longer at hostilities with) and they're only fighting to maintain their (newly found) independence.
- Well, the Greatjon did say that it was the dragons the Northerners bowed to...
- Cersei, not wanting a son by Robert on the throne, had him sent away (or he was smuggled away to prevent Cersei from killing him) under the guise that he died as the black-haired baby that Cersei told Catelyn about. After Cersei found out that Ned had been looking into Robert's other children, Gendry's master sent him off to the North to save him from being killed by her. Alternately, Gendry is not Cersei's but Robert and Lyanna's, and Cersei resented him for being the son of a dead woman / thought he would be a threat to any other children she had.
- If Gendry was Cersei's son and she sent him away right after his birth, wouldn't someone have noticed that she was pregnant?
- It's canon in both the books and the show that Cersei had a kid before Joffrey; in the books she aborted the pregnancy with Jaime's help (it was Robert's kid and she only wanted to have Jaime's), and in the show she actually gave birth to a child by Robert, specifically mentioned to be blackhaired, and he died very young, presumably not long after birth. It *is* possible, but highly unlikely.
- There's no reason to believe Cersei was telling the truth about having Robert's child in the show.
- There totally is. That scene is important because it showed the audience 1) that Cersei still has some feelings left, and 2) it's the first sign for the audience that something's wrong with Joffrey's... genealogic tree. Had she been lying, the revelation of that (and Ned figuring that out on his own) comes from too much of a left field.
- Gendry states that his mother had yellow hair, adding to the slight possibility that Cersei could be his mother. If she was his mother (at least on the show only), then Cersei was probably content to have a trueborn son until Joffrey was born and she decided a true Lannister was better than a Baratheon on the Iron Throne. She claims the older boy (no more than a toddler) fell ill and died so that Joff becomes heir, yet loves her firstborn enough not to kill him and sends him to some trusted household in King's Landing.
- How does that work with Maggy the Frog's prophecy that "the king will have 20 children and you will have 3"?
- This was noted on this Westeros site's forum and I noticed part of it too. There may be a Prophecy Twist in that the death of Dany's son didn't disprove the Stallion prophecy- instead, it started the chain of events that will bring it about. The "Stallion" is actually a dragon that Dany will ride and will use to Take Over the World. So, if the witch thought she was preventing Dothraki expansionism by killing Dany's son, it's quite likely she actually made it possible. Incidentally, Dany's stillborn son was described as having scales and a tail- maybe that gave Dany the idea; maybe it would have been a human/dragon hybrid...
- In the series Danys was much younger when she married, so that the child growing within her to be the stallion who mounts the world is actually Danys. It turns out Old Valarian had no gender...
- Except the Dothraki don't speak Old Valyrian, so this particular Prophecy Twist only applies to prophecies written in Valyrian. That is, only the the Prince Who Was Promised prophecy.
- In the series Danys was much younger when she married, so that the child growing within her to be the stallion who mounts the world is actually Danys. It turns out Old Valarian had no gender...
- Putting it here cos this dips far into the theoretical field of things. Not sure how physically possible this is or not, but make up your own mind about it. The seasons on the world where Westeros and the rest are situated are not caused by the planet's tilt or by an elliptical orbit, which causes seasons on most worlds. On the contrary; Westeros-world has a small axial tilt and as near a circular orbit as is physically possible. The seasons are in fact caused by the planet's precession. On Earth and other worlds, the rate of precession is slow and constant, with Earth's precession rate averaging 26,000 years or so in length, and is a major player in causing Ice Ages and warmer periods. On Westeros-world, the precession rate varies wildly, whether caused by a nearby large gravity well or otherwise, the rate can't stabilise. Mention is made of a prominent moon and that there may have at one time been two (loss of a moon leading to wildly fluctuating precession rate?). The precession rate is also phenomenally fast, taking as little as 15-30 years to complete.
- I'm obsessed with this too. While the moon is "prominent" in their night sky, that could only indicate its proximity, not its size. It's entirely possible that their moon is smaller than ours and has a weaker gravitational pull. It would be fascinating to see an approved chart of the planet's solar system, with orbits and satellites, etc, similar to The Map of the 'Verse from Firefly.
- Word of God says the reason for this is supernatural, not scientific.
- Yep. IMHO, you're looking at a tidal aetheric energy type deal, similar to what you had with The Lord of the Rings, with the elves having to leave there, because they were dual physical/astral beings, who couldn't co-exist physically when the aetheric tide was that low/veil between the two was that thick. Best guess, the Wall between Westeros and the North was built close to the end of the last aetheric high tide, which is also why there was talk of runes being in the Wall's design. Back then, the humans would have had magick users who knew how to do such things. At another guess, that is also why the dragons died off, and why they're coming back now. The aetheric tide is rising, which not only coincides with Winter coming, (and is probably partly tied into it, more than any scientific/physical reason for the change in seasons) but would be a big part of the reason why the Walkers are able to come back. At aetheric low tide, you get no magic, and nothing but mundane types of people and animals, which is also why you get people becoming materialistic and thinking that science is all that exists, because low tide periods can last longer than living memory, so non-magickal stuff is all anyone living can remember.
- If the orbital tilt is zero, precession is by definition zero. If precession makes the orbital tilt non-zero, you will get seasons which won't change the average temperature of the planet, and not a sudden "winter". Since years are used as a measure of time, they must have the same length, so the orbit can't change. This leaves fluctuations of the star's intensity, but that wouldn't explain the "long night" - a period in the lore where the sun didn't shine at all, something which would mean the destruction of any physical star because of the lack of photon pressure. This leaves as only option technology. Either the star is simulated, there's a dyson cloud or dyson sphere which is mostly translucent between the planet and the star, the planet contains machines to alter its rotational characteristics, it's all a computer simulation, or multiple of the above. There is no natural phenomenon to explain this, and no simple technology either.
- Maybe the title sequence is more realistic than we realize, and Westeros is on the inside of a malfunctioning Dyson Sphere; the sun in the center has started to wobble, causing the random length of the seasons.
- He admits to having been north of the Wall for some unexplained "work". He's not exactly the most honorable guy, and could have been a criminal who was sent to the Wall as punishment, then fled, escaping the law and becoming a sellsword to make his living.
- He mentions the first person he killed was a woman who came at him with an axe. Sounds like a wilding to me.
- I kind of thought the woman he killed before he was twelve was his mother, who he says was abusive.
- They don't send kids to the wall though - he killed her before he was twelve. Maybe he is a wildling, or he could be a bastard from one of the brothels in the North.
- What about Lommy or Hot Pie? They might not *condemn* children to the Wall but they definitely *recruit* them.
- He mentions the first person he killed was a woman who came at him with an axe. Sounds like a wilding to me.
This is hinted at when Arya goes blind. Jaqen states the masks only work if someone is no one. After Arya uses the mask to kill Merrin, she goes blind. Then she drinks from the suicide pool to restore her vision. Jaqen says she has nothing to fear if shes no one.
The reality is the chemicals in the pool and the masks are antidotes to each other, but will cause harm if consumed separately. The poisoned masks prevent people from stealing them and using them for their own purposes. Nobody dares consider the fountain a cure for anything sinces its the go-to source for suicide.
- One would assume the reason any woman would taste like blackberry jam would be that they're using a type of lotion, perfume, or cream derived from blackberries, specifically for flavor enhancement. Perhaps this is especially common in Dorne.
- Slight correction, but I believe Robert's words were that the girl smelled of blackberry jam. Though if that was a result of a perfume or skin lotion she may have tasted like jam as well. Seems like something a prostitute would do.
- Ha! In the book version of his introduction, Mance Rayder is singing a song called "The Dornishman's Wife"..."Brothers, oh brothers, my days here are done,the Dornishman's taken my life,But what does it matter, for all men must die,and I've tasted the Dornishman's wife!"
- I picture them sounding a lot like the White Stripes.
- Or maybe "Asshai is not pronounced ass-high".
- Maybe somebody traveled with it from a field?
- Jorah might agree with the idea, but Dany and the khalassar disagree when looting. Why would there be unlooted treasure in ruins, if there was no living city? Why would there be any loot at all if there are no ruins and no city?
- There is no loot.
- There also weren't any chains in the tower, and we saw what happened to them because they didn't exist. The loot, on the other hand, exists because it didn't turn into dust or ashes.
- That's what Pyat Pree wanted you to think.
- Alternatively, the treasures of these ruins didn't get looted until now because Pyat Pree lets every potential looter think that there is a living city.
- There is no loot.
- While 'went home empty-handed' can be interpreted that way, I doubt it. The key to Xaro's power is that no one knows the vault is empty. I don't think he would just let those who know go home, especially considering they must be very angry about the way he tricked them.
The man is a skilled stealth fighter, yet the first time we see him, he's locked up like a common delinquent, with other two criminals. How WAS he captured? Perhaps he let himself be, in order to closely follow Arya (who the man knows to be a Stark) without raising suspicions.
- This gives more weight to the theory that he's either Syrio OR cooperating with him.
- Well, the kings who listened to Varys' council had a tendency to either go mad (like Aerys or Joffrey) or become decadent (like Robert). In the books, there are rumors that Varys had something to do with Aerys' mental state. After Varys' disappearance however, the king ( Tommen) has shown no sign of madness or decadence.
- Jorah seemed to go into sudden suspicious mode after receiving it. He put two and two together: If he was being pardoned, he wasn't needed to spy on Danaerys and was being rewarded for services rendered. And that would only mean that Danaerys would be... handled. It also gives Varys a convenient excuse to not only carry out King Robert's deathbed order of calling off the hit, but also to botch it and set things up later.
- Given how slowly mail travels in this world, this is pretty unlikely. The pardon was sent well before the assassin, Jorah simply knew enough about Robert Baratheon to anticipate an attempt.
- In the books, Ned didn't want to go to King's Landing and Catelyn talked him into going. In the series, Ned knew he was supposed to discover something and wanted to go, while Catelyn subconciously remembered losing him and tried to stop it.
- In the books, Tywin was betrayed by the Brave Companions, so TV!Tywin never hired them.
- TV!Tyrion knew not to trust Mandon Moore, so he dodged a bit earlier, saving his nose.
- At some point between the Reset Button and the start of the TV series, Willas and Garlan Tyrell died, making Loras the heir to the Highgarden.
- Edric Storm, to avoid almost being sacrificed, found himself a better hiding place.
- Unlikely as of "Mhysa" ( Sam is back at Castle Black and Coldhands' part in leading him to the other side of the Wall has been cut) though technically still not jossed.
- 1) He is still alive in the books.
- 2) He can make copies of himself and the one we see die could be just another copy.
- We don't have confirmation that he's alive in the books; indeed, the implication is that he was killed by Euron and fed to two other warlocks.
- This really doesn't seem to be the case. Joffrey often appears sexually turned on. Unfortunately the only thing that does turn him on is violence, directly or indirectly. That is not the same thing as asexuality, however.
- Without Joff having any nude scenes to see if he's getting an erection, we can't say that he's getting sexually turned on, just excited by violence.
- Book spoilers: The Karstarks actually end up being Bolton supporters in the book, aligning with Stannis and being The Mole for Roose. This holds true with the show as well..
- BOOK SPOILER! While you can never tell with prophecy, that may just have happened by the end of the fifth book. The son who rose in the west and set in the east is a Dornish prince who died on Essos. The Dothraki sea is undergoing a drought, and the mountainous pyramids of Meereen, the third slaver city after Astapor and Yunkai, were overset by Daenerys's dragons. And Dany found blood on her thighs for the first time since her son's stillbirth. Book Five has a lot of particularly cryptic stuff, but once the fandom pieced this together... And trust me, we feel pretty cheated after his cameo at the Houses of the Undying, which was invented whole-cloth for the show.
- This would have also have the advantage of cutting down on the drawn-out qualities that both Jon and Dany's plotlines have in Book V.
- Ned is the Father, as he represents justice and honor, and he serves as Father to the Starks
- Caitlyn, while born a Tully, is still a Stark by marriage, and serves as the Mother
- Robb is the Warrior, as his strength in battle and battlefield command are great enough to decimate the Lannister forces.
- Sansa is the Maiden, as the chaste, innocent and ladylike Stark daughter.
- Arya is likely the Stranger, due to her fascination with the god of death, and her connection to ones such as Jaqen H'ghar.
- Bran is named after the Founder of the Stark House, Bran, the Builder, which seems to indicate he is possibly the Smith. In addition, his nature as a "broken thing" possibly indicates, with some irony, that he is intended to be the Smith.
- Rickon, lastly, would be the Crone. This is probably the weakest connection, but as the Crone represents wisdom, it is possible that his wisdom has simply not been seen yet, due to his age. Likewise, if there is irony intended with the "broken thing" of Bran to be the Smith, it is possible Rickon exhibits similar irony, in being the youngest Stark, but still the crone.
Under this theory, it is quite possible that all Starks will "die" and either this will mean that the seven will be dead (leading to another faith, such as the red faith taking it's place) or that they will return to their immortal forms by the end of the books.
- The only problem with this theory is that the Starks are more commonly associated with the Old Gods and worship of the weirwood trees. That is very important for Bran in particular but also Jon (who takes his Night's Watch oaths at a godswood along with Sam, who decides to convert then and there). Even Sansa spends a lot of time at the godswood. Arya meanwhile seems to have caught on to the Braavosi God of Death. So, even there the Starks are not associated with one specific religion over the other.
Their wrath could have first been triggered by the deaths of the Targaryen children and the no doubt numerous child deaths that occurred during the sack of King's Landing and the rest of Robert's Rebellion. Then Craster starts leaving out his sons who they graciously adopt and make their own. They begin to amass in numbers, just in case. And then the War of the Five Kings starts, Robert's bastards except for Gendry are hunted down and killed, which only serves to piss off the White Walkers further, along with the death of Dany's unborn son.
They aren't mindless evil ice demons, they're doing it all for teh behbehs.
Everyone they've killed? Guilty of crimes against babies. That's why they keep not killing Sam despite having ample opportunity to do so as well as the ability. He's innocent of baby hurting. The White Walker Sam killed looked so pissed that Sam killed him because he was just trying to help, man! What's the big deal, stabbin' him like that?
When the White Walkers descend, they will usher in a new age of child welfare, and Westeros needs it.
- He had it coming, mind you. Throwing an expensive crystal bird figure through it, in full view of the one who presented him with the gift? That's not proper protocol.
- In 4x07 Robin says that he will throw off the Moon Door anyone that annoys her, then proceeds to annoy her... he, he.
These are all things that happened or were foreshadowed in the previous chapters, all things that really happened. Before he sees Jon, Bran flies across the narrow sea to Essos, over Vaes Dothrak and ultimately over Asshai.
"He lifted his eyes and saw clear across the Narrow Sea, to the Free Cities and the green Dothraki sea and beyond, to Vaes Dothrak under its mountain, to the fabled lands of the Jade Sea, to Asshai by the Shadow, where dragons stirred beneath the sunrise."Everything else Bran sees in his dreams are things that are happening at that very moment. At this point in the story, Danaerys had yet to hatch her dragon eggs, yet Bran sees dragons stirring beneath the sunrise. I don't think that was just thrown in for flavor, I believe that dragons other than Dany's are still living in the mysterious Asshai by the shadow.
- In that context, "stirred" could be used in a past tense to refer to the fact that dragons had once stirred there, but no longer do currently.
- Alternatively, it could have doubled as foreshadowing and a Red Herring, it's talking about Essos, right? AT this point, Vicerys is still doing his "you don't want to wake the dragon" thing, so it could be interpreted (at that point at least) that he's gonna "become the dragon". What it could really mean in that context is that Dany is the dragon about to wake (i.e. She'll come into herself).
- The Iron Bank will be revealed to be a massive fraud. They only have gold plated iron bars in their bank.
- Why do you think they are called the Iron Bank rather than the Gold Bank?
- Foreshadowed by the "Richest" man in Qarth story line.
- The Iron Bank isn't rich because they have lots of physical gold in their vaults, but because of all the debts owed to them across the world. That is not fraud, but capitalism. Whether they also have a large reserve of gold or not is irrelevant.
- Invading Bravos will be extremely difficult due to all the natural barriers surrounding the city, and it being the home of the Faceless Men. Not to mention the Iron Bank can easily gain allies by paying them off or cancelling their debts.
- Slaves are hardly a rare species in Essos, and it makes sense that the Red God would be popular among several freed slaves since the Priesthood is more social mobility then they can get anywhere else. In the books, a POV chapter confirms she was indeed a slave and bought at an auction. The TV show could tell us something different anyway so who knows.
So what caused the change in Drogon's mood? Why appear meek to Daenerys after the riot in Mereen, and then simply take off without causing mass chaos as he'd done before? Why is Drogon just flying around, even going as far south as Valyria? He might be following his instincts, or it might be Bran flying with him.
- The Showrunners decided to introduce him as one of their divergences from the books, and he is not something they got from their insider knowledge that Martin's given them. Rather, they lifted the idea from Green Ronin's invented White Walker/Other big bad, the King of Winter, tweaking the concept a bit to call him the Night's King to make him more recognizable to book readers.
- Partly confirmed. George RR Martin stated that he intended the Night's King to be a made up in-universe story, and intends it to be a legend and not The Legend of Chekhov.
- Melissandre actually DID switch Mance and Rattleshirt, and somehow managed to get him to Hardhome. Then Tormund killed the person he THOUGHT was Rattleshirt, but actually killed Mance instead. Because that would be hilarious.
- If the White Walkers defeat the Night's Watch and Widlings, they cross the Wall and start reviving the characters who have died since the beginning of the series as wights. Most of the character's deaths have pushed plotlines forward, but it would be interesting if all the dead characters in Westeros come back to fight for the White Walkers. The living characters of each House in Westeros put aside their vendettas, political scrabbles, and greed to team up against the White Walkers. If they do not team up, all of Westeros will be screwed.They are forced to ally with Dany Targaryen since she has dragon's fire breathing powers to take out the White Walkers. It would be great way to end the series since it has been building up all these tangled stroylines to diverge into one epic final battle.
One theory about Valyrian steel is that it is iron forged by dragon's breath. All the swords of the iron throne were transmuted into Valyrian steel when they were "forged in the fiery breath of Balerion the Dread." Valyrian steel is one of the few things that can kill a White Walker.
- He had good reasons for burning his enemies alive since they were demons who could only be killed by fire.
- Perhaps he recived a vision of the oncoming White Walker apocalypse and was driven to madness by trying to stop it.
- He didn't. (Loras, that is.) Nym does, though. But only two episodes into Season 7.
- They've got Tommen "Baratheon" on the throne and all, which is great for them, but who's got control of Casterly Rock right now?
- Tywin's dead.
- Tyrion (the legal heir, no matter how much Tywin hated it) is expatriated to Essos and basically in a steward role for Meereen in Daenerys' absence.
- Jaime's in King's Landing - and as Kingsguard, gave up his claim to Casterly Rock anyway.
- Kevan (Tywin's brother, next in line after Jaime and Tyrion) is serving as Hand of the King, also in KL. And if the books are anything to go by, probably won't live to see Casterly Rock again.
- Lancel - who would be at least interim Lord of Casterly Rock as Kevan's son while Kevan served as hand, is also busy in KL raising seven hells as part of the Faith Militant. (And implicitly gives no fucks about the fact that he could actually have a legal right to rule Casterly Rock right now.)
- Hell, even Alton, Stafford, Martyn and Willem Lannister are all dead.
- Most likely candidates:
- The Iron Islands. Whoever ends up as the King of the Iron Islands could very well elect to make it their first target. In fact, if you pull up a map of Westeros, Casterly Rock is actually one of the closest things to the Iron Islands. And clearly with some recent developments, it's obvious that their part in the greater story isn't done yet. Also Euron Greyjoy, if he wins the Kingsmoot or even if he plays second fiddle to someone else, seems just the type to be crazy enough to pull this sort of stunt.
- Dorne. Remember, Dorne's never really liked the Tyrells or the Lannisters In the books... , and could well declare war on the somewhat weakened alliance and make a push for Casterly Rock. There are still obviously things to be done at first.
- The Tyrells could always stab the Lannisters in the back. The Reach geographically sits between the Crownlands and the Westerlands anyway, and they've got the pull to really put what's left of the Lannisters in a tough spot.
- With the very much unconverted Margaery's insistence that Olenna return to High Garden, this may very well be what she is planning
- Whoever does take it over will also discover that the region's gold mines are empty and thus the Lannisters aren't nearly as wealthy as they were in the past.
- Or it's symbolic of her embracing both her heritage and the environment that gave her the backbone she has now. She is a dragon (Targaryen), but the horse (Dothraki) is inside her, giving her strength.
- So, you're saying that Bran also made Aerys insane when he had Ned's brother Brandon tied on a noose while he slowly roasted Lord Rickard Stark? Or when he abused and raped his wife according to the History and Lore on the Kingsguard?
- Actually in "Oathbreaker", Jaime and Cersei already know about the coup in Dorne when they interrupted Kevan's small council meeting. But it's possible that the rumor Qyburn's talking about is that there's a civil war between those who are loyal to Doran and those who are loyal to the Sand Snakes.
- Although, given that such a position would put the Wildlings immediately after the Watch as the most in danger should the White Walkers actually breach the wall, it would kind of come off as the North using the Wildlings for cannon fodder. (Which is precisely why a guy like, say, Littlefinger, would suggest it.) Better options include Deepwood Motte, where the Starks could strip the Glovers for their failure to aid them against the Boltons... or the Dreadfort itself, which is conspicuously vacant of any Boltons.
- Stripping the Glovers of their land and titles seems a bit extreme, considering that they had legitimate reasons not to get involved and they were far from the only House to stay out of the conflict. However, the Karstarks are also good candidates for punishment alongside the Umbers and Boltons.
- A clearheaded ruler would probably either pardon the Glovers or make their punishment less severe, sure. But combine everything Jon and Sansa have gone through as of late with the potential influence of Littlefinger (who House Stark is now indebted to, no matter how much they may distrust him, and whom they certainly can't afford to have as an enemy) and the fact that this is Westeros, and there's no guarantee that the clear heads prevail.
- Giving the Wildlings Umber land seems like a bad idea, politically, because the people of The Last Hearth have been warring against Wildlings for generations. They lost more men to the Wildlings than any other Northern house. Putting a wildling in charge just feels like spiting them. Giving Tormund the Dreadfort, however, there's an idea.
- Since Wildings generally dislike the ways of southerners and kneelers, it seems odd that Tormund would want to be a Lord. Tormund and the Wildings like Jon, though, and as all Stark soldiers were slaughtered in the Red Wedding, so they may simply settle around Winterfell.
- It's less a matter of making Tormund a lord and giving him lands and titles than it is making sure an important fortress is manned and defended for the wars to come. Tormund may not want a lordship, but he probably wouldn't mind having a keep, and you don't need the former to have the latter.
- Frankly, the two seem perfect for each other - or, at least, Ellaria seems like the perfect tool for Littlefinger and a guy she might consider falling for. And after the reveal that Littlefinger basically triggered GoT's whole damn plotline, can you really put anything past the guy?
- And of course, in that waste land that is Sansa's love life, probably Jon is the best husband she could find.
- As further supporting evidence for this, the books mention Maggy the Frog's prophecy that Cersei will be killed by the valonqar (High Valyrian for little brother), and that she thinks this is Tyrion (I don't think the show mentions this as well, but he certainly seems to give her a Death Glare when he returns in the season finale, and I don't think the producers would change something this important). Given GRRM's fondness for Prophecy Twists, Jaime is by far the most credible candidate for killing her, especially since every single one of Maggy's prophecies have come true this far.
- Don't forget, Cersei is the older twin, meaning Jamie is an younger brother too. And Cersei has been so confident in her control of him, she has completely dismissed him as a threat. He could easily kill her simply because she cannot comprehend him acting against her, despite her actions making his sacrifice of his honor and everything he worked for worthless. With Tyrion, Cersei has believed him to be her prophesied killer since she has heard the prophecy (or since he was born, depending on which happened first,). So she gets a hint of him coming near her, especially after she tried to have him executed, and she'll be too paranoid for him to get near. She'd do anything to keep him away.
- It wouldn't be terribly outlandish to see Euron's story arc combined with a couple of book characters:
- Aurane Waters, a similarly ruthless pirate that was at one point in Cersei's employ in the books as Master of Ships; and
- Quentyn Martell, Doran's elder son who was sent to attempt to arrange a marriage pact with Daenerys and, after that failed, attempted to take control of her dragons. It didn't end well for him.
- Aegon, Rhaegar's son with Ellia, had been born before Rhaegar died, and Rhaegar explicitly named the boy himself - in fact it's strongly suggested that the toll Aegon's birth had on Ellia - she was frail and unlikely to survive a third birth - is what prompted Rhaegar to look for another babymomma to fulfill his "The dragon has three heads" prophecy. However, Rhaegar was very much dead by the time Jon was born. Given that Rhaegar would have had to rally the Dornish forces, march up to King's Landing, rally the Royal Host, and march to the Trident where he died, and that Ned then had to march an army down to King's Landing, where he apparently waited for Robert to show back up, then march an army to Storm's End to relieve Stannis, and only then set out to the Tower of Joy where he happened to arrive the day Lyanna gave birth, Rhaegar died several months before Jon's birth. While it's hardly uncommon for couples to pick out names for their kids that far in advance, it's a debatable point as to whether or not that's the kid's 'true' name until it's born to be given the name. In any event, if Rhaegar and/or Lyanna did pick out a different name, Lyanna apparently chose not to pass it on to Ned, either because she knew it would be a tip off to his true parentage, or because she was a very unwilling participant in the whole thing and didn't want to honor her rapist's wishes for the name of her son. As it stands, Word of God is that Ned named Jon, almost certainly after Jon Aryn.
- What I was suggesting there is that Jon isn't indeed his true name, but the one chosen by Ned to cover the more "Targaryenish" one Lyanna gave to him.
- Attempts at lip-reading from the Reveal episode are giving increasing support for the name Jaehaerys, which was the name of two Targaryen kings (one of them being Aerys' father) as well as a son of Aerys/younger brother of Rhaegar that died in infancy.
- This troper studies linguistics and is fairly certain that the name begins with a vowel, which is immediately followed by a non-bilabial consonant. This would rule out two of the most popular suggestions, Jaehaerys and Aemon. Note that Jaehaerys also begins with the very prominent post-alveolar affricate d͡ʒ, which is, however, not visible in her lip movements.
- My money's on Jaehaerys. Why? Rhaegar's first son was named Aegon (after the conqueror), and his daughter Rhaenys (the sister Aegon I married out of desire). While I have a feeling that Rhaegar had hoped for another daugther (and named her Visenya), he got a son instead. Which name should he have? The name of the longest serving and arguably most well liked Targaryen king there had been.
- Except this wouldn't have been the first time she stole a face and went rogue. Remember Meryn Trant?
- I think the point being made by the OP is that she should have learned her lesson after the Meryn Trant incident; using a face without authorization lead to her going blind - though the exact cause and effect on that is still somewhat unclear.
- Waif would have no desire to go kill Walder Frey and then brag about it to his face in his dying moments, or to go Frey Pie on him, so it is highly unlikely to be Waif doing a Kill and Replace.
- She would because that's what the real Arya would've done. The disguise has to perfect. There are still people in Westeros who knew Arya and knew of her Kill List. There has to be absolutely no reason for anyone to get suspicious.
- At this point their only move to maintain power is to sow unrest and rebellion against those who are rebelling against them. Fortunately for them, those rebels are in a particularly weak position - Olenna is all that remains of House Tyrell, making it effectively extinct given that she's well passed her child bearing years, and House Martell is actually extinct, given that Ellaria and the Sand Snakes are all bastards. For the Reach, at least, it probably wouldn't be too hard to convince Randal Tarly to turn against Olenna and try and seize power for himself - Tarly's a fairly big player in the books and his actor is too perfectly cast not to do more with than have him show up for a single awkward dinner.
- This isn't going to be a particularly noble move on his part even though he'll be fighting for one of the less evil sides. Simply put, Bronn's got no interest in dying loyally for the losing side if someone else can help him survive. The Crown's already in debt, probably worse off than before with the Reach defecting, and the Lannister coffers are completely empty. Whatever Daenerys's side comes along and offers would have to be more appealing than dying in the Crownlands, especially because the Lannisters keep reneging on their promises to him. It doesn't hurt in the slightest that the Targaryen Coalition contains Tyrion, who was his friend after a fashion - or Tyene Sand and her "bad poosey".
- Cersei's villainous excesses also help to drive allies away, and make them more amenable to alliance with Daenerys. Dorne and the Reach have already thrown their lot in with Dany, and the North is in an amenable condition as well since they're still sore from the Red Wedding that the Lannisters and their allies perpetrated.
- Edmure Tully, for reasons that should be obvious.
- Varys, for some greater purpose no one knows yet.
- Jaime Lannister, who hinted in that same episode that the Freys had outlived their usefulness. And wouldn't that be a twist, for Arya to kill Walder Frey like she was planning to do anyway, and then get gold from the hated Lannisters as payment for the killing?
- Bronn, maybe hoping that vacating the Lordship of a castle and then requesting it from the Lannisters as payment may move his status along a bit.
- The Maegyr family - maybe Arya stopped in Volantis on the way back to Westeros? In all this time (likely about 2-3 years) it's not so much a stretch for them to have found out that a Westerosi lord had their daughter murdered.
- To say nothing of political borders - the sudden extinguishment of so many Great Houses may prompt some reshuffling for whoever is left as the winner. Particularly if it's Daenerys, who may opt to do anything from annexing parts of Essos she controls to granting certain regions independence or autonomy (like the Targaryens did with Dorne) to doing away with the regional designations altogether.
- Each of them will fulfill one of three roles that are ususally taken together by the same person: Jon has already been hailed as the King in the North, who will defer Sansa to be the Lady of Winterfell; meanwhile, Bran (who won't be seen as a "proper" leader on account of being disabled, and has other fish to fry as the Three-eyed Raven) will be handled the responsibility of siring trueborn Stark children, so the family can live on.
- If that should happen, Meera Reed will surely be Bran's first choice for a wife.
- ...Sort of? The series ends, in essence, with the three as leaders over a section of the continent. Bran is elected the new King of the Six Kingdoms, as the North declares independence and anoints Sansa Queen. As for Jon, on paper he is exiled back to the Night's Watch. But as the Night's Watch no longer exists and the Wall has been destroyed - not to mention the threat used as the reasoning for either of these is no longer there - in truth Jon reunites with Tormund and the rest of the remaining wildlings to return north of (what was once) the wall, where he will likely be that group's leader in all but name.
- This is the same position the Three-Eyed Raven (Brynden Rivers/Bloodraven) once held.
- Bran knows the most about the Night's King and the White Walkers through his tutelage with Bloodraven.
- There has already been precedent for boys as young as ten serving as Lord Commander of the Night's Watch in extraordinary circumstances - and that was back before Aegon's Conquest, where the Night's Watch was implicitly much larger and better organized than it is presently.
- Given that the showrunners are calling for 2 more seasons for a total of 13 episodes, it'll probably be Cersei for a seven-episode Season 7 and the Night's King for a six-episode Season 8.
- Aegon the Conqueror never needed to invade the North. All the Northern Lords at the time saw all the Andals to the south getting curb-stomped by these Valyrians with dragons, and wisely bent the knee outright when they learned these conquerors were coming north. Providing the old animosities towards the Targaryens from Robert's Rebellion have subsided, a similar exchange might happen. That still doesn't mean inclement weather won't be a problem when the White Walkers come a-knockin'.
- And then Jamie will end up killing a second mad ruler who wanted to Burn Them All before the order can get out, fulfilling the prophecy that she would die at the hands of a younger brother (since Jamie was the second-born twin).
- Also, if this happens, it will parallel the death of King Aerys. Cersei will order Jaime to kill Tyrion and/or Daenerys, then order Qyburn to "burn them all" just to spite Daenerys. Jaime will first kill Qyburn then kill Cersei.
- Ok, so, let's start by tackling the question of "How would she know he's a Targaryen?" As far as she or anyone besides Howland Reed, Meera, and Bran know, Jon is Ned's bastard and all of Rhaegar's children are dead. In theory, Bran is going to tell Jon and possibly Sansa, and in turn they could tell Dany when she shows up, but would Dany have any reason to believe them? Would it actually be in Jon's interest to publicly claim the name, given that his support in the North is based on the idea of him being Ned's kid, and the North in general has no interest in the Iron Throne, merely their own independence? While a political marriage with Jon would be benefitial to Dany in bringing the North back into the fold, it would be more beneficial for her to marry Jon Snow or Jon Stark than it would be to marry Jon Targaryen, because as Rhaegar's child his claim would arguably be better than hers, which would throw her legitimacy as ruler into question.
- Jossed. She went to the Dragonstone first, as it was left vacated. Storm's End hasn't even been mentioned. Although a certain Baratheon bastard is still in the wind somewhere.......
- The Northern Houses; since they are pretty much up to speed with the existence of the Night's King. Since they are already preparing for winter, they will be sending as much men as possible to help the Watch. However for the sake of Complexity Addiction this will take a toll; some houses will loose resources to protect themselves in an effort to help the Watch.
- House Lannister: Cersei, being Cersei, will be completely indifferent to them and what little thought she puts into them, it will be minimal compared to her own problems. Jamie however will show concern and decide that he can't do much as a Kings Guard and will join the Nights Watch as an alternative, perhaps as a final penance. Either way it's another nail in House Lannister's coffin.
- Bloody confirmed; Cersei didn't really care about the White Walkers or Wights even after being shown one in full action, but Jaime did care.
- The Iron Islands; Since Euron's plot to side with Dany is down the tubes, he will plot to side with another powerful ruler on the verge of Westeros; The Nights King. We know Euron isn't right in the head and might have a borderline God Complex, so teaming up with omnicidal beings to gain power couldn't be put past him. Perhaps the Horn of Winter will be involved. This will add fuel to the fire for the inevetable civil war in the Iron Islands. The question being is if the Nights King is the type that accepts deals or alliances considering the apparent deal between Craster and the White Walkers, or going by Euron's failure to side with Dany, he will be killed after a humiliating failure.
- Jossed; Euron, visibly frightened by the live demonstration of a wight, declared neutrality and fleeing to the Iron Islands, but later returns to help Cersei's side out.
- House Tarly: Besides the North, other Houses may send men to the wall to help the Watch. Randyll Tarly will lead some of his men to the wall as a testament to valor, with Dickon lording over his house. Throughout this, people on the Wall will talk to Randyll about how is unfavorite son Sam was the first living human to kill a White Walker and praise Sam, much to Randyll's irritation. Bonus points if unlike Sam, Randyll will be killed by one of the White Walkers, without putting up a fight, or choose to flee at the mere sight of them.
- Jossed; Randyll sided with the Lannisters to retake the Reach and ended up barbecued by Drogon, along with Dickon.
- House Targaeryen: Daenerys and her armies set sail to conquer Westeros, not to fight zombies in the North, so they will focus their efforts against Cersei. Both Varys and Tyrion will be very aware of the extent of the threat from the White Walkers, and will impress this on Dany, and both will probably be aware that only dragons have a chance of really defeating them, but they will have differing advice. Varys will suggest that she focus on taking the south, let the North and the Vale wear themselves down holding off the White Walkers so that she can conquer them with ease, and then stop the White Walkers herself. Tyrion will urge her to send a contingent of her army and the dragons to see off the White Walkers, and make an early alliance with the North and the Vale, saving their lives and winning them over to her side that way, then together take the south. Dany will take a middle ground: she will put helping the North and the Vale on her to-do list, but will focus all her forces on retaking King's Landing first, as she will be unwilling to risk not having the Iron Throne after all her effort. Depending on how long this takes, by the time she's finished the White Walker invasion may be right on her doorstep, along with a refugee influx.
- Jossed in the end; Dany, after a bit of hesitation (and losing one of her precious dragons), signed up to fight the Walkers and even called for a truce with Cersei to do it.
- Littlefinger and the Vale: The Walker invasion will bring about a gradual Villainous Breakdown in Littlefinger. He never considered or took into account their existence in his long term plans. And would have little knowledge of them. The threat of the White Walkers are a threat to all his ambitions and plans. And he will adapt to it; it is said that Littlefinger would burn the whole country if he could be King of the Ashes, and it's no doubt that his 'chaos is a ladder' philosophy will be at play. Pragmatic Villainy has virtually no place with the Nights King on the horizon. Because Sansa is no longer his pawn, Littlfinger will retaliate by refusing any aid for the North in the White Walker threat, but since they are a threat to all of Westeros, in lieu of burning Westeros, he will allow them to pass, perhaps have his men kill any House armies heading to face the threat, he will burn any food and resources for their protection ala Ramsay in season5, and will refuse refugee aid. Whatever it takes for him to live to see his kingdom of ashes.
- It appears the opposite has happened, with Jon and Davos coming south to Dragonstone to attempt to ally with Daenerys.
- Littlefinger will assassinate Lord Royce and frame the Wildlings for it. Jon will be forced to make an impossible choice between his most loyal supporters and his most powerful allies, and the North will be plunged into chaos and civil war. Jon will be ousted and/or killed, and Littlefinger will place Sansa as his Puppet Queen In The North.
- Dany's invasion will not be the Curb-Stomp Battle we all think/hope it will be. Cersei will dig in at King's Landing and will make the invasion force fight for every inch. The dragons will die in the fighting, which will break Dany psychologically. History will repeat, as Jaime is forced to kill another mad monarch for the greater good. But he will wait too long, and before he works up the nerve to kill his own sister, King's Landing will be reduced to ash and rubble. In the aftermath, with Dany no longer in any condition to lead, her coalition disintegrates. The faction led by Tyrion and Varys will hold what remains of the city (at least until a half-crazed Jaime Lannister emerges from the rubble and murders his brother for starting this whole mess), the Tyrells and the Dornish will wrestle with each other for control of the surrounding Crownlands, the Dothraki will run wild throughout Westeros, and the Ironborn will turn tail and run.
- Partly Jossed: The Tyrells, the Dornish, and Yara and Theon's faction of the Ironborn were wiped out by Episode 3, and Dany is no longer in any position to lay siege to King's Landing. In addition, Jaime simply fled to the North after a failed attempt of brokering truce/alliance between Stark/Targaryen union and the Lannisters.
- Brienne and Podrick will never make it back to Winterfell. Much like their book counterparts, they'll be captured by the Brotherhood Without Banners, who now count among their ranks Sandor Clegane and the Not Quite Dead Blackfish. With Clegane already aligned against Brienne, and the Blackfish assuming the role of Lady Stoneheart, they don't have a chance of coming out alive.
- Jossed: At the beginning of Season 7, Brienne and Podrick have made it back to Winterfell without incident, and the Brotherhood Without Banners haven't slid into fanaticism yet.
- Arya will lose her mind completely, carving a bloody swath through the Riverlands. At some random roadside inn she will meet Gendry again, who tries to help her but is murdered for his troubles. Watching him die, Arya comes back to herself, and commits suicide in despair.
- Jossed; she made it safe to Winterfell and happily reunited with Sansa. And while Gendry is back indeed, he and Arya haven't met yet.
- The Bay of Dragons will fall apart, because Daario's an idiot.
- Meera and Bran will die of something terribly mundane, like hypothermia or starvation, forgotten about in the far North. The Night's King will stumble upon their bodies in his march south, and he will laugh.
- Jossed; they make it back to Winterfell early in Season 7.
- In the midst of all this chaos, the White Walkers cross the Wall. They can't bring their undead army due to the magic barrier in the Wall, but fortunately the wars have left plenty of corpses around. The Zombie Apocalypse begins.
- Likely confirmed, except they broke through the Wall using Viserion, Dany's former pet hijacked by Night's King's ice spear in the neck.
- Winter Comes.
- The End.
The direwolves weren't important characters that were made unimportant. They were never supposed to be important or symbolic in the first place. All they were, were what they appeared to be - loyal pets that had the misfortune of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
1. Jon and the North will respect Dany, given her reputation as a just ruler who got rid of slavery and is also willing to be ruthless, but only when it is absolutely necessary. In other words, she has made it clear she is not her father.
2. Jon and Sansa both have positive views of Tyrion, who treated both of them as best he could (as a Lannister). They will sympathize with his situation and listen to what he has to say.
3. Bran (who hopefully will return) will tell Jon what he's learned about Jon's heritage. Dany, if she finds out, will likely want to work with Jon even more so, as she values her family, and she is certainly not a petty and spiteful person like Cersei.
4. Jon will be inclined to forgive Theon, given what Ramsay did to him and how he saved Sansa, and welcome his help.
5. Varys, Olenna, and Tyrion, as well as Dany herself, are all pragmatic and reasonable enough to know that the White Walkers absolutely must be stopped, and that there is no place for squabbles, as everyone must work together in order to have even a remote chance at succeeding.
6. In case Dany resents the North and the Starks for deposing her father and helping Robert Baratheon, Varys and Tyrion will vouch for Ned Stark, given his integrity, and their history. Dany's brother kidnapped Ned's sister and forced her to give birth to Jon (her nephew) and her father killed Ned's father and brother in a truly horrific manner. Furthermore, Ned made it clear that he despised the brutality inflicted on the Targaryens by Robert and the Lannisters and wanted them held accountable. Not to mention Dany did not seem happy when Tyrion told her how both their fathers helped destroy House Stark.
7. If Jorah Mormont can find some way to survive his greyscale infection and come back to Dany, he will be inclined to work with Jon, who not only was close to Jorah's father Jeor but also led the men who killed the mutineers and avenged Jeor's death. Dany will also vouch for Jorah as a man who atoned for his past sins and redeem him in the eyes of House Stark.
Of course, even with all these factors, Jon and Dany will have to be aware of and overcome massive obstacles, such as resentment of the Wildings, distrust and hatred towards the Targaryens and Ironborn, and Littlefinger, who will most certainly be playing everyone against each other and constantly pouring gasoline on any fires. All in all, while excellent alliance potential is there, it can either go really well or really horribly...
- She really comes across as a Well-Intentioned Extremist, no? Wants to retake the Iron Throne and smash the wheel of succession. Her crusade has largely been of using force to take what she wants, particularly when it comes to slavers. She had been able to unite and ally with the other houses on peaceful terms, but should they overthrow Cersei, what happens next? Would Daenerys be accepted as Queen? What if the other houses don't want her, or they do something she doesn't like? Would she just send her dragons to sack Winterfall or The Iron Bank? Would her success go to her head and Daenerys ends up Jumping Off the Slippery Slope?
Beric and Thoros (with the Hound in tow) intend to go north. Melisandre is now exiled from Winterfell (and by extension, the North), so it's logical that she would go south. They're natural allies against the White Walkers, so it's probable they would team up.
Both Robb and Rickon's wolves got murdered just like them. Arya's wolf ran away like her, and Ghost fought like Jon.So Summer gave his life for Bran, and Lady got murdered in place of Arya's dog. If the parallels continue, then Bran will give his life for someone else (Jon maybe?) and Sansa will get murdered for something Arya did. Maybe Arya will kill Jaime (she doesn't know that he has changed for the better) and someone will kill Sansa for that.
Bran will die in Jon's arms (possibly giving his life for him if the wolf-parallels continues) before he can tell him who his mother is. It's Game Of Thrones after all.
- Sort of. Jon and Theon reunite, but Jon says basically verbatim, "If it weren't for what you did for Sansa, I'd kill you."
- Except we met Maggy back in the flashback that opened Season 5, and she didn't look anything like either of Melisandre's forms.
- I don't think the show will have enough time to introduce a new character or divulging over Tyrion's tragic story with Tysha which is already long forgotten since Season 1. In the show, they never have Jaime telling Tyrion the truth about Tysha being a commoner girl so it's already moot to show that again. And they have 13 episodes left with Season 7 having 7 episodes and Season 8 with 6 episodes.
- He's just inside the tower itself, attending to Lyanna personally.
- If that's the case, why didn't Ned encounter him by the time he barges into Lyanna's room and rushes to her side? Also, I doubt Oswell would be just standing there while Lyanna was telling Ned to promise her and had the maid gave baby Jon to him. And don't forget, Ned is desperately yelling, "Give her some water! Is there a maester?!" at the maids.
- Except his letter to Balon was pretty much in the same style.
- It can't be Littlefinger because 1) it was brought by a rider from House Bolton who aren't going to be passing on messages from other houses, 2) has House Bolton's seal which Littlefinger probably doesn't have a copy of, 3) mentioned Rickon and his killing of shaggydog which Littlefinger would have no means of finding out about and 4) as the above troper stated it's consistant with the letter to Balon.
- Which would provide a plausible explanation for where in the hell she got enough of what appeared by its symptoms to be the 'strangler' poison (that killed Joffrey) to off Walder Frey's whole brood in one fell swoop.
- I figured she got a bunch of it with her from Braavos.
- Or she made it herself. Her blind training involved mixing some kind of potion.
- Daenerys has said more than once that her dragons are her children, the only ones she will ever have. It's heavily implied in the show that the reason she was able to hatch her dragons from their petrified states were because of her Targaryen blood and because she sacrificed three lives in order to get them - her unborn son Rheago, Khal Drogo and Mirri Maz Dur. The dragons helped Dany to conquer Slaver's Bay, but they came with their own set of problems. Now, Dany wants to rule the Seven Kingdoms, but considering the damage dragons did when they conquered Westeros (such as Harrenhal), it might be that the people of Westeros are reluctant to have a Queen with three firebreathing monsters at her beck and call, especially given the actions of her father and their previous Queen, Cersei. So maybe the people will bend the knee to Dany on one condition - the dragons have to go. If this happened, them perhaps the sacrifice of Dany's surrogate children will reverse her infertility with the same ancient magic used to hatch them in the first place. After her dragons are dead, Dany will have three children, one for each dragon.
- In "The Queen's Justice", the Archmaster reacts angrily to Sam's healing of Jorah, but then immediately compliments him on saving Jorah's life and completing a surgery that is, apparently, notoriously difficult. He then assigns Sam a seemingly menial task of reading and copying a bunch of old scrolls and books that are apparently literally rotting from age, chiding Sam for expecting some kind of reward for his successful surgery on Jorah. It's possible that these old scrolls and books hold some of the keys to defeating the White Walkers, or perhaps hints to Jon's true parentage. The Archmaester knows that Sam is trying to solve the problem of the White Walkers, so it feels like telling Sam to read these old works may be a way to seemingly punish him, but really give Sam what he actually wants: knowledge.
Littlefinger hadn't intended to cause a continent-wide Civil War, only intending for the deaths of the Starks and Tullys, but he learned the power of words and what damage the wrong word can cause. He bided his time, gaining favor as a customs master in Gulltown, then as Master of Coin to Robert Baratheon. When he found that Jon Arryn was looking into the parentage of the Lannister children, he had Lysa poison Jon and frame the Lannisters to make it look like Jon was killed because He Knows Too Much. Ned is appointed Hand of the King, Lysa writes to Catelyn, Ned finds out, gets arrested, loses his head, and the War of the Five Kings commences. Also, when Sansa talks about what Rhaegar did to Lyanna as the public knows them, Littlefinger gives her an odd look, that he knows more than the general populace knows about what happened.
- Half-confirmed, half-jossed. She did execute Littlefinger but she did it without need of any faces.
- Not a bad excuse to keep him on the show a little longer.
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