Loki certainly redeems himself at the end. And God said it all with that loving embrace - she doesn't really need words to say it any more clearly. Allowing them back into heaven arguably wouldn't cancel out existence - it doesn't prove God is WRONG, it proves God's infinite mercy. The sort that to this troper, is the only way the world makes sense.
- Many would say that God said, back in the day, "They will NEVER be allowed back in," and, thus, they can't. But theological history has shown that God can change "His" mind, so if Bartleby was forgiven at the end (which is NOT expressed by a hug; that could have just been a 'there, there') he could have been allowed into Heaven because God changed her mind.
- Another idea that as Angels Loki and Bartleby can never return, but as humans God can allow them back in.
- The banishment could easily have been lifted once God was revived, and so some viewers assume that Loki (although not Bartleby) was granted forgiveness and re-entry to Heaven.
It was actually a Secret Test of Character. Bartleby thought he knew better than God (sin of pride) and convinced Loki to follow him. God wanted to prevent another Lucifer incident so exiled them to earth until they showed humility. Trouble is Bartleby is too proud, and Loki too easily led, to apologise and admit they were in the wrong.
Loki eventually passed this test when he tried to stop Bartleby killing Bethany and was forgiven and let back in not proving God wrong, but proving God's compassion. The same happened for Bartleby when God confronted him at the church and made him realize the true ramifications of all his actions and genuinely asked for God's forgiveness.
- Well that certainly fits under wild mass guessing.
- Lending credence is the fact that Lucifer was a Seraphim like Metatron before the fall.
- I hope Kevin Smith is a Troper, because this would be the perfect premise for a sequel.
- Bethany originally loses her faith when her mother tries to comfort her after finding out that Bethany can never conceive a child. However, if Bethany had a child then her presumably preschool to kindergarten aged child would have been the last scion during the events of this movie. "God has a plan.", indeed.
- She even does the eye thing that Haruhi does.
- I sorta thought it was because, y'know... they were angels? Metatron's head didn't explode when he was RIGHT NEXT TO HER in the ending, so why should it be any different for Loki and Bartleby, so long as there weren't any other humans around, they should've been fine. They were banished, not turned human.
- Two things: First, it's only humans that can't withstand God's voice. Remember Metatron's warning:Metatron: Anyone not already dead or from another plane of existence had better cover their ears.
- Second, Loki and Bartleby are like Satan: they're banished angels. Satan went against God's will and didn't apparently have a lot of trouble doing it, and indeed all those who followed him into Hell didn't have any problem doing it.
- Two things: First, it's only humans that can't withstand God's voice. Remember Metatron's warning:
- No- she is clearly explained to be the great-great-great-etc. niece of Jesus, not a direct descendant. Obviously holy genetics don't have any problem with this side-line descent; Jesus must have enough holiness to spare.
- At least in Catholicism, Mary has plenty of holiness herself. Just being a descendant of her would probably be a pretty big deal, too (and apparently is).