- Khyber and Vilgax will form a Big Bad Duumvirate
- Kevin and Ben will join forces once more
- The final episode will be a Tear Jerker on a grand scale, and it will make it clear that we won't be seeing Ben 10 again.
- Why would they do that? The show never has been so successful. They would definitely not miss the opportunity to make another sequel if they can.
- Considering that they've cancelled Young Justice (2010) and Green Lantern: The Animated Series, two shows that have just as good ratings, this show is not safe from cancellation.
- Being fair, those shows were canned to make room for two new shows by the DC nation
- While official statements on why those shows were cancelled are vague, the leading theory is that it was due to lack of toy sales. That is a problem Ben 10 does not have.
- Heatblast gets Steve Blum back.
- Jossed, it's David Kaye.
- Grey Matter either gets Dee Bradley Baker, or returns to being Richard Steven Horvitz.
- Jossed, it's Eric Bauza.
- Fourarms is confirmed by Derrick to be John DiMaggio.
- Stinkfly keeps Dee Bradley Baker.
- Wildmutt also remains Dee Bradley Baker.
- Ghostfreak either gets Steve Blum or Jeff Bennett.
- Diamondhead is confirmed as Eric Bauza.
- Ripjaws gets Fred Tatasciore again.
- Jossed it's Eric Bauza.
- Upgrade, of course, remains as Yuri Lowenthal.
- XLR8 is confirmed by Derrick to be Yuri Lowenthal.
- Cannonbolt has been confirmed as David Kaye.
- Wildvine will go back to Jim Ward.
- Jossed, it's Dee Bradley Baker.
- Upchuck will either go back to Dave Wittenberg or be replaced with Steve Blum using a Guilmon-ish voice.
- Jossed, it's Eric Bauza.
- Benwolf was voiced by Tara Strong in the original series, so he'd logically be voiced by Yuri Lowenthal, much like Upgrade.
- Jossed, it's Kevin Michael Richardson.
- Benmummy is confirmed by Derrick to be Kevin Michael Richardson.
- Benviktor will either be played by Michael Dorn, John DiMaggio or Kevin Michael Richardson.
- Jossed, it's David Kaye.
- Ditto will be Bumper Robinson.
- Jossed, it's still Rob Paulsen.
- Eye Guy will probably still be Dee Bradley Baker.
- Jossed, it's Paul Eiding.
- Way Big will probably be David Kaye.
- Jossed, it's Eric Bauza.
- Spitter will probably be Dee Bradley Baker if he appears.
- Articguana will probably be Tom Kane.
- Jossed, it's Eric Bauza.
- Buzzshock will probably be Yuri Lowenthal for similar reasons to Upgrade and Benwolf.
- Swampfire will probably be Steve Blum or David Kaye.
- Big Chill will probably be Steve Blum.
- Jossed, it's still Dee Bradley Baker.
- Goop'll still be Dee Bradley Baker.
- Spidermonkey's confirmed as Dee Bradley Baker.
- Humongousaur is confirmed by Derrick to be John DiMaggio.
- Jetray's probably gonna still be Dee Bradley Baker.
- Brainstorm's probably gonna be Jeff Bennett.
- Jossed, it's Corey Burton.
- Echo Echo will probably be Bumper Robinson.
- Jossed, it's still Dee Bradley Baker.
- Chromastone will probably be Jeff Bennett.
- Jossed, it's Eric Bauza.
- Alien X is probably going to be Yuri Lowenthal, Tara Strong and Jeff Bennett.
- Bellicus and Serena are Jossed; Bellicus is Eric Bauza and Serena is Kimberly Brooks.
- Lodestar is confirmed to be Dee Bradley Baker.
- Nanomech'll probably be Bumper Robinson.
- Jossed, it's still Dee Bradley Baker.
- Rath will obviously still be John DiMaggio.
- Water Hazard has been confirmed by Derrick to be Dee Bradley Baker.
- Ampfibian will be Dee Bradley Baker.
- Jossed; much like his inital appearance in UA, it's Yuri Lowenthal.
- Terraspin has been confirmed as Bumper Robinson.
- Armodrillo is confirmed as John DiMaggio.
- NRG is confirmed to be Dee Bradley Baker.
- Jury Rigg is confirmed as Bumper Robinson.
- Eatle is confirmed as Eric Bauza.
- Fasttrack will probably be Bumper Robinson, if he even appears. Like the fanbase, Derrick isn't too fond of him.
- ChamAlien will doubtlessly be Dee Bradley Baker.
- Clockwork will be Jeff Bennett.
- Jossed, it's still Dee Bradley Baker.
- Shocksquatch is confirmed to be David Kaye.
- Gravattack has been confirmed as David Kaye.
- Bloxx is already confirmed to be Bumper Robinson.
- Feedback is confirmed on Derrick's Formspring to be Yuri Lowenthal.
- Ball Weevil will probably be Dee Bradley Baker.
- Jossed, it's Bumper Robinson.
- Kicken Hawk will probably be Eric Bauza.
- Jossed, it's Yuri Lowenthal.
- Crashhopper will likely be Dee Bradley Baker.
- Confirmed.
- Which will require another team-up with Rex and Providence since they're the experts on nanites. It would be pretty sweet to see Rex's abilities drawn in Wyatt-style and Generator Rex fans would be thrilled to see the team again.
- Bonus points if Rex, Six, Bobo and Holiday meet up with Rook, Gwen, Kevin, Julie, and... Classic Ben. Even more bonus points if they Lampshade how weird everything looks.
- They could even bring back the Pack and the Consortium along with Vilgax to find a way to obtin and reactivate Rex's meta-nanites.
- Which will require another team-up with Rex and Providence since they're the experts on nanites. It would be pretty sweet to see Rex's abilities drawn in Wyatt-style and Generator Rex fans would be thrilled to see the team again.
- Jossed.
- Clones may be involved.
- Well, now that he's put in an appearance, it looks pretty good for him: when it finally comes down to a confrontation between him and the bounty hunters sent to kill him, he makes a Curb-Stomp Battle of it with none of his AF/UA arsenal. That's pretty badass. Also, he's no longer covering that green band of ooziness around his head, and has his original voice back (I always thought the Blum version was more ominous-sounding than the merely gruff Remar version, but that's just me.) so it looks like they're really going for "original series Vilgax is back in town." Now, will that mean he's the ultimate threat again? I don't think so, with the new villains that are coming to the forefront. After the original series making him the ultimate evil, AF making him a recurring Rogues Gallery member, and UA having him Ganon-jack the Diagon arc, well... it's kind of someone else's turn. His turn to shine may come but we've got the Faction and the Incursions and maybe a Time War on our hands. I think it's gonna be someone else's turn for a while yet.
- The timeline of the original Ben 10,000.
- A Mirror Universe.
- The "Gwen 10" universe.
- Maybe Secret Saturdays universe? ..........You never know.
- Doesn't have to be: according to the creators, The Secret Saturdays is part of the same universe.
- Confirmed in Store 23 for a parallel universe....just not the ones listed above.
- So very confirmed: Ben 10K, Gwen 10, Ben 10 Prime and Ben 23 teamed with a Ben Tennyson without an Omnitrix against Vilgax and multiple evil Bens.
- Does that make the Highbreed Dalek expies?
- The most recent episode seems to have set up Eon as an adversary to Paradox, though he's basically still himself as opposed to anyone Master-like.
- Maybe not The Master, but he does bear a remarkable resemblance to a villain from ANOTHER sci-fi series seeking the power to travel the space-time continuum...
- Jossed, Elena has become an Aborted Arc and will cameo later completely back to normal.
- Confirmed, out of the main cast everyone aside from Bill Fagerbakke got involved at some point.
- Jossed by both Word of God and the episode where Eon return, showing the Ben 10,000 time resembling more like its incarnation in the original series.
- Well, actually, this theory can be confirmed, but only through alternate temporal existence. Cross-Time is canon, therefore, all of the games are in the canon multiverse of timelines. It wouldn't be a stretch to assume that Ultimate Ben 10,000 is still in the muliverse.
- confirmed, sort of; Khyber was working for Malware all along. While Malware is a new villain, he technically comes from the original series era, so this could count as a Hijacked by Ganon case, sort of.
- Then the red string is finally cut and their Romantic Plot Tumor finally dies? Huzzah!
- Jossed; they did came back, but they still are a couple (though said couple isn't as much mentionned as before).
- Confirmed! In the pilot, he plays Malware, who is indeed an evil Galvanic Mechamorph. However, he's only appeared in a flashback so far, so whether he'll put in any further appearances is up in the air.
- Malware is going to appear in the Ben 10 Omniverse videogame.
- He also is the true Big Bad of season 1
- And Jennifer Nocturne will become his henchgirl.
- Jossed; DJW stated that if she ever comes back, she'd be evil. He even referred to the fans who wanted her redeemed as "creepy", suggesting he thought of her redemption as a case of Draco in Leather Pants.
- Update: The Josing might have been Jossed note , as online evidence from various sources indicate that Charmcaster will apparently be featured as A Lighter Shade of Black in all three of her episodes: to Ghostfreak, to Hex, and (this is the big one) to Adwaitya, which means the Heel–Face Turn Creator/Dwayne McDuffie intended for her when naming her "Hope" may come to pass.
- As it ends up, a compromise was found: she doesn't have a Heel–Face Turn, but this explicitly said to be because she's "damaged", not evil, and she ends her run on the series in a situation where she can finally recover and make a real Heel–Face Turn thanks to Gwen and Hex's guidance, with Gwen flat-out stating this as her desired outcome with keeping Charmcaster in her present predicament.
- Update: The Josing might have been Jossed note , as online evidence from various sources indicate that Charmcaster will apparently be featured as A Lighter Shade of Black in all three of her episodes: to Ghostfreak, to Hex, and (this is the big one) to Adwaitya, which means the Heel–Face Turn Creator/Dwayne McDuffie intended for her when naming her "Hope" may come to pass.
- Conversely, however, the fans who hated UAF and its Kevin/Gwen "romance," their ensuing Spotlight-Stealing Squad status and Dwayne McDuffie obviously not caring about what he put out, and want a more fun series like the original series will love it. So it'd be about the same amount of base breaking, only this time the original series fans will be the ones enjoying the new one while the UAF fans kvetch about it.
- On the flip side a good portion fans of the original series liked the original for, well, "alternative reasons", and because of it won't like this new series because Gwevin is about as cannon as can be. Almost every fan of the original over UAF I've met via the internet disliked it because of the lack of "Bwen"
- This is really the only logical outcome. Each series has it's fans and haters, causing relitivly the same amount of base breaking but increased per series.
- Confirmed SOOOOO much: this show ended up only breaking the base even more so far.
- The only snag is that Kevin would have somehow redeemed himself in the sixteen years in between series. Otherwise, UAF are non-canon.
- Jossed; it has been confirmed by Derrick J. Wyatt himself that both AF and UA have canon elements that make it in Omniverse.
- In which Beast Boy gets the ability to turn into a Vulpimancer and an Arachnachimp.
- Doubt it will happen, but that would be fun.
- If this happens I demand that they continue it from where they left of in "Things Change."
- Doubt it will happen, but that would be fun.
- Alternatively Malware is the Big Bad of the past, and the Greater-Scope Villain of the present.
- Partially confirmed; Predators and Prey reveals Malware had a part of responsability behind the creation of the Nemetrix.
- Actually, Malware was the Big Bad all along—Khyber was just The Dragon to Malware
- Ben 10: 4 seasons
- Alien Force: 3 seasons
- Ultimate Alien: 2 seasons.
- Ultimate Alien had 3 seasons.
- Jossed. Derrick has confirmed that the team has already gotten through most of four ten-episode seasons and are currently working on two more.
- Ultimate Alien had 3 seasons.
- Possibly all-but-confirmed in "Rad Monster Party" the way he even uses the word "trope" when describing monster-themed ones.
- He will have Dr Vicktor's personnality resurfacing, leading to a Split Personnality and a fight between the two.
- Jossed. King Xarion was killed off by Zs'Skayr.
- Confirmed! And he brought Professor Paradox with him.
- If he does, it better be as a Knight of Cerebus.
- Considering how Darkstar was frequently a Friendly Enemy after only two appearances as a true threat, they'll probably pull yet another Enemy Mine. Real Cerebus material would be the return of Aggregor, or Vilgax if he's handled right.
- True, but what I meant is I hope they won't recuce Darkstar to either a minor villain (like they did with Zombozo) or a goofier guy.
- If he does appear he'll be pretty upset to find out that Gwen moved.
- Unlikely; this show is obviously intended to be more light-hearted, I will honestly be surprised if they even kill a character. Plus why would they kill a character Put on a Bus anyway?
- Um, that doesn't mean jack shit, ever heard of something called Cerebus Syndrome and Back for the Finale?
- I did. But seeing how Fan Dumb reacted when it happened in Alien Force, it seems unlikely they will dare follow that path in Omniverse... sadly. if they do however, I will be happily surprised (the Cerebus Syndrome, not Kevin's death).
- Um, that doesn't mean jack shit, ever heard of something called Cerebus Syndrome and Back for the Finale?
- No, duh.
- In his human form.
- Still No, duh.
- Almost; he wanted to keep his arms on his wall as a trophy.
- Hmm, a hunter who wants to turn our teenaged male hero into a trophy? Now where have I heard that before?...
- In his human form.
- Since the natural Anodite state is... natural-looking with no clothes albeit with little detail. Gwen realized this when she saw pictures of herself on Will Harangue's reports that claimed she was perverting the nation's youth with her alien nudity. While Gwen doesn't really care what Harangue thinks, it did make her self-conscious enough to alter her Anodite state to avoid scrutiny. That's also the reason that she wears clothing similar to her younger self as it makes the transition easier to do by minimizing the difference in her forms.
- Adding to this, Verdona might disapprove with Gwen's decision to wear "clothes".
- I always thought the Lucky Girl version was sort of an inbetween state. When she used her Anodite powers to their fullest, she was in danger of losing herself (which is why Kevin had to talk her out of singlehandedly whomping the Highbreed.) What if Anodite Lucky Girl is just her going as far as she can safely? (You'll notice how it's not nearly the same Game-Breaker her Anodite form was in AF/UA.)
- It's the perfect Author's Saving Throw. After a few battles and maybe an Enemy Mine situation the two will start to connect and Gwen will begin to lay the groundwork by Kevin's Heel–Face Turn in Alien Force. Kevin will eventually choose to save her life even though it gets him captured and sent to the Null Void where he meets Kwarrel. Fast forward a few years and suddenly their familiarity with each other won't seem as out of place. Bonus points if Kevin references the "I'll follow you anywhere" line in a mocking Call-Forward: ex. "What, so I'll follow you?"
- Man, I hope so. I always thought it would be awesome to have a Kevin-centered episode taking place in both timelines like the Malware episodes, and in the past you'd see how Evil Kevin got himself into the situation that's just caught up with Good Kevin in the present. And evil Kevin was just so cool anyway. I think when it comes to trying to make the AF changes make sense, you flirt with Voodoo Shark and by this point are just beating a dead horse, though.
- Played with in "Mud Is Thicker Than Water" when Lucy teases Gwen about having a crush on Kevin in a flashback, but Gwen does seem completely disinterested in him and not in denial at all, so her feelings for him clearly did not develop until later.
- Really? It sounded like she was in denial to me.
- While wandering around Bellwood when Ben's in school, Rook will meet an attractive, slightly geeky girl who he has a Meet Cute with. She will turn out to have a problem only he and Ben can help with and after the smoke clears Rook unknowingly agrees to a date with her. Because it's not like fanfic writers won't think up the same plot, right? In a deconstruction of the casual view the previous series took with Max's relationships with alien women, they will face significant problems from Harangue and others that do not approve of the relationship, but decide to go through with it anyway with the support of the Tennysons.
- More or less jossed; Bros In Space reveals Rook already has a girlfriend (and apparently only has eyes for her), and Showdown Part 2 has him mentionning that human girls aren't attractive by his species' standards, making that possibility unlikely.
- How about the cat-girl that tried to take over his mind? Sexual tension and all... or maybe Fistina?
- Half true. Eon, baby!
- So, basically the same way she feels about Present!Ben?
- Agreed. The similarities are obvious. Though probably too a reference to the Predator.
- Meh. It's a well-known villain type that none of those three franchises invented.
- Jossed; you really thought they would bother with an explanation? Nah, they are just classifying Primus as Canon Discontinuity and saying the episode with it never happened.
- Actually, this troper thought that when the universe got destroyed and recreated, Ben probably forgot to include Primus as one of the places that needed to be restored. Hence forth, Primus no longer exists. Just a thought.
- They could have done that, but DJW quite clearly stated they were just doing Canon Discontinuity with Primus.
- Thing is, Primus was mentioned a lot in the series, and one recurring character called it home. It's easy to say "Oh, yeah, that doesn't exist anymore" when someone asks you, but in practice, it's gonna open plot holes wide enough for a Weight Watchers meeting for Humungousaurs (Vaxasaurians?) to fit through if they suddenly start writing as it if never was there - keep in mind the overwhelming majority of viewers aren't devoted enough to have sought out interviews, etc. The writers know by now that every last one of the changes that were introduced in a "pretend it was always that way, Viewers Are Morons and will never notice!" manner generated lasting hate, to the point that half of the purpose of Ultimate Alien was Author's Saving Throw efforts. So, either it won't ever matter, or Primus will return after all, or, if DJW has a storyline in mind that needs Primus to not exist, something will happen onscreen that doesn't render it new-Kevin level WTF-errific to anyone who has seen the Primus episodes but hasn't happened upon his statement.
- I know... but so far Derrick J. Wyatt doesn't seem really more concerned with that sort of problem than Dwayne McDuffie was accused to be.
- In practice, it seems to not be as bad as we feared. We are making a bigger deal of the Primus retcon than The Powers That Be (go on, name one thing to happen in this series that couldn't under previous series' rules of how the Omnitrix worked. And if there were any, viewers would probably chalk it up to it being a new model.) And for an episode that's also non canon anymore, Ben 10,000 Returns seems to be the inspiration for the version of Eon we meet and not his original appearance. (C'mon, he's still an evil alternate future Ben and longtime offscreen foe of Paradox who has lightsaber-wielding ninja Mooks. He's got a new VA, yes... the same one the Ben 10K we meet at the very end has!) So far, it seems less like the whole universe had an extensive overhaul and more like the things The Powers That Be consider clutter just won't show up.
- Then Gwen is going to show up as well and bring Kevin.
- Considering how the show is going so far, I doubt they will. But I agree that if they do, it'd be awesome
- Just as a reminder to fans, and not because I can't find him on the Ben 10 wiki, who is this character again?
- A criminal offhandedly mentioned in "It Was Them" by Rook when Ben is talking about Dr. Animo being the villain of the episode.
- Just as a reminder to fans, and not because I can't find him on the Ben 10 wiki, who is this character again?
- Cash and JT will be completely jealous.
- That would be hilarious.
- It'll actually turn out to be galactic law that after all the heroic deeds he's done, including saving the universe multiple times, Ben has to have a harem.
- Poor Ben then
- In which case...
- And it won't be funny. Think Michael Morningstar in the two or so episodes in which he was actually a threat. She wants Ben as her property as well as unimaginable power, crushing the lesser races, and unlimited rice pudding. Depending where on the Cerebus Rollercoaster we are, either I Have You Now, My Pretty will make a Malware-class villain even scarier, or will be the one humanizing trait of a Charmcaster-class one: Like with her and her father, Even Evil Has Loved Ones, but that doesn't mean evil's not evil.
- Princess Attea maybe? Or a redesigned Elena Valadis?
- Unbelievably, right on all counts! Minus Elena. As of The Frogs of War, Attea's crushing on Ben as Bullfrag, and even gives him (in human form) a goodbye "kiss" and a wink! But thinking he's cute doesn't mean she's any less villainous, or be tricked/distracted into doing something dumb; she pretty much leaves with everything she wanted.
- As we've seen up to Malefactor, this seems to be the case with Present!Ben actually saying that being a hero isn't about fame, and actually trying to do what the people want even if it isn't what he wants.
- Okay, Jossed for his first appearance, but still possible for when he actually shows up in public.
- Might be interesting if they bothered to reveal it.
- Alternatively, Ben's just a bit dense. The beginning of "Many Happy Returns" shows him clearing picking Rath's icon while believing it was XLR 8. Chances are, his whole issue so far has just been that he's still not gotten to realize which face is which.
- Okaaaaay, I dislike Ben's personnality in Omniverse, but if THAT's the official justification, I would LOVE it; this would definitely be interesting to study.
- This is also why Ben let his relationship with his Julie get so bad, he's fully aware that being with him is stressful and dangerous. He tried to slowly drive her away with bad behavior and neglect. Julie knows what he was doing and this is why she wasn't angrier with him in "Rules of Engagement." Now she's just one less thing to worry about (in her mind.) Ben's flirting with random girls like Aster? All part of the plan.
- Ben has gone through a lot of terrible stuff by the time Omniverse aired; having to deal with a psychopathic evil Kevin (again) and almost going Knight Templar (as said above) must have really taken a toll on him. Add having to restore the universe after it got destroyed (or, seeing his loved ones die and resurrecting them) to that, and I think it's safe to say that he's gone full-on Stepford Smiler at this point.
- Wait, this isn't canon?
- Or close enough. Whether anyone actually eats his cooking is another question.
- Helen and Manny specifically, with Alan reluctantly being dragged along. They've quit the Plumbers and are now hunting down what's left of the Knights after Pierce's murder, regardless of the collateral damage. Expect much angsting on Ben's part about fighting his friends while Rook is determined to hunt down the rogue Plumbers.
- Would be an interesting episode.
- Let's hope to God that this happens
- Sort of confirmed; they do team up altogether in Showdown Part 2.
- Look at the evidence dark markings around the eyes, more jerkish behavior, and the change in fashion style.
- So glad I'm not the only one to notice! Actually, that would make for a decent episode, Ben and Rook head out there after Gwen figures out what's going on and calls for some help.
- I beg your pardon, I'm not sure I understand what you meant by "fallen off the wagon". Could you please explain?
- He's back to draining energy, just not from living beings. At first.
- He undercover trying to infiltrate a group of Osmosian terrorists hiding out on earth.
- He's not doing it on purpose. He's accidently absorbing small amounts of energy from Gwen due to their close contact with each other.
- If that's true then it'll make one hell of a Tear Jerker. I wounder who would figure out what's going on first and just how far will Kevin be gone?
- He's not doing it on purpose. He's accidently absorbing small amounts of energy from Gwen due to their close contact with each other.
- You mean like the Shade did about Gorilla Grodd's Injustice League in the Justice League cartoon?
- Something like that although that show wasn't on my mind when i thought of it.
- The idea would be cool. Especially if they had the group working on avoiding the mistakes its previous incarnation did.
- Surprised no one's actually said this yet, but confirmed. Grey Matter actually defeats Kyber's dog as Tyrannopede, by using a sort of nerve pinch. And even later on, Azmuth makes a whistle out of a bone and whistles for the dog to turn into the Nemitrix's creator's natural Predator.
- I leave you guys to fill this one in
- A Root Shark.
- A tiger
- A Krakken.
- Peacocks! The most dreaded predator of all.
- Chuck Norris
- A synthetic predator of the Galvanic Mechamoph species
- In the episode Malefactor, when Present!Ben met Malware again he was clearly afraid and not expecting him to return. Why is this? Because Malware 'died' and in such a destructive way or one of those No One Could Survive That! cases that Past!Ben thought was terrifying. And this is all not including what Malware actually did during his encounters. Also...
- Because seriously, Past!Ben loves to use him, but Present!Ben doesn't even try. Something happened that made Ben not want to use Feedback for a long time.
- I think Malware killed Feedback or something, and that's why Ben's so afraid of him.
- That's possible. And we've already seen Ben get aliens back after they were destroyed, so it also doesn't mean he's gone forever.
- If Ben has had Feedback and just didn't use him because of the previous incident with Malware, maybe Present!Ben choosing to use it against him will be a sign that he's not afraid of Malware anymore.
- This could be highly unlikely, but what if Malware absorbed Feedback. Feedback has always been Young Ben's favourite choice and Malware's weakness. So naturally in order to make himself more powerful, Malware will absorb his greatest weakness so he's no longer affected by it.
- Jossed, as Present!Ben uses Feedback in Store 23.
- Not 100% jossed. That episode was supposed to take place after Showdown, which is when Modern Ben would have reacquired Feedback.
- Judging by the preview of Showdown, there definitly is some important reason that Ben doesn't use Feedback anymore, outright refusing to talk to Rook about it.
- Confirmed: Malware destroyed Feedback, as revealed in Showdown.
- Jossed; the flashback does happen, but only as a small part in Showdown Par 1, and there are no Breaking the Fourth Wall.
- Seconded, present!Ben's reaction to Malware just reeks of hard feelings that Ben usually doesn't reserve for his opponents; also remember Gwen's reaction in Alien Force to Ben choosing to put the Omnitrix back on, she was saddened to a surprising degree by it. To add to it, Malware points out that Ben "knows what (he) is capable of..." and that begs the question of just what Malware could do (and likely did) to unsettle Ben so much. This will probably be explained like the above WMG and show Rook the more serious and driven side of Ben he hasn't met yet. He'll actually find the change rather disturbing and try to convince Ben to lighten back up.
- Maybe in Past!Ben's fight with Malware, when it seemed like he would lose, Malware attempted to absorb the omnitrix and thereby try to absorb Past!Ben (transformed as Feedback) as well. Somehow the omnitrix had some feature that stopped it, and Malware was defeated, but it seriously freaked Ben out. Malware can't (as far as we know, anyway) absorb living matter, so taking the omnitrix off might have been a way for Ben to 'protect' himself from being absorbed.
- Alternately The beginnign of Alien Force will be retconned. And it will splinter the base.
After all, all previous incarnations of the omnitrix (including the ultimatrix) only showed one alien. Now this was all fine and dandy when the user only had one of the selected sets of 10, but with the many additions that Ben recieved, this format quickly became Awesome, but Impractical.
The new omnitrix, however, doesn't let Ben only see the one alien, but the ones around it as well, letting know in advance which alien he will be getting should he be turning left or right. Thus it is Boring, but Practical.
There's also the fact that it doesn't normally need to recharge, and seems to naturally change when the current form Ben is using is not working, like when he was Rath in 'It Was Them'. The new battery system might also be the reason that Ben has unlocked new alien forms; when he doesn't even look at what alien he's transforming to and just transforms into one off the bat, the lack of structure momentarily breaks the known parameters of the omnitrix, selecting an alien previously locked.
- I see it as being like when you change to a newer version of a program, and they changed the controls. Your used to having an icon on the top of the screen, but they moved it to the bottom, and you have to relearn it.
- Confirmed by Azmuth himself, who blames misselections on Ben's "fat fingers". In addition, he also claims Ben slamming down so hard on the faceplate messes with the time-out duration.
What? It's a decent idea.
- Until the season finale I'm simply ignoring Word of God on this particular subject. First Cross Time and some of the odd quirks. I'm still convinced that Alien X rebuilt the universe wrong. It may or may not have been intentional. More to the point what reason could there possibly be to retcon Primus out of existence instead of just ignoring it until nobody remembers anything about it? Because it's about establishing that multiple timelines exist. Again the title has to be a hint to something, you wouldn't title something Omniverse if it was about time travel!
- When I see the name Omniverse, I think more so Multiverses and what-not. I guess it's just the "Verse" Part of it. I only think of time travel because it has Classic and Modern Ben in it, and we all want that time travel episode where the two meet.
- And at the end when Ben has managed to sort things out and calm Julie down, Ester shows up.
- Half-Confirmed: Looma is definitely back, but Ester ends up fighting Looma.
- Some of the changes in Ben's aliens can be chalked up to the new animation style - a stripe or dot is added or lost, a chin gets bigger - but some of them are radically different. For the biggest case, look at the two pictures of Shocksquatch and remember that yes, really, they are both of the same alien. Small cosmetic changes are one thing, but the more radical changes make sense if Ben is no longer turning into the same members of those races that he used to.
- Maybe true! The preview for Tummy Trouble shows that Original Series Upchuck and AFUA Upchuck are from different races of Gourmand and Ben can become either. So why not the Shockquatches or the Eatles?
- It's been confirmed that Eon is essentially an evil version of Ben. And Eon causes a lot of problems, ones that Paradox can't fix easily at all. So, instead of having to fight against all these different Eons, Paradox does his best to prevent it from happening in the first place — namely, keeping Ben on the straight and narrow. He can't just make things go Ben's way, however, as that won't help either of them at all, so he does his best to make Ben himself think about what is right and wrong, and to do what's best for people.
- Conversely, it could also be that, seeing that Ben seems to be such a constant anchor among the alternate universes and timelines, Paradox keeps visiting him — especially in his youth, where he's incredibly positive — to remind himself why he should fight for the good of the universe rather than letting people mess up the timestream.
- Essentially, both characters are morality pets to each other to keep them from going to the deep end.
- While the episode Ben 10,000 returns is ignored by the writers themselves, it is still confirmed that Eon is an older, evil version of Ben. And for all that Ben looks forward to becoming this cool and awesome hero, he can't just ignore the fact that he can become one of the worst (if not the worst) villains out there seeing as he can travel through time and cause havoc on the timestream, and willing to destroy the universe through arrogance.
- Apparently, that Ben 10K being Ben's future is all that's retconned: everything else is upheld by the new episode (Eon is evil older Ben and not a Chronian trying to bring back the others like in RAT; his Mooks dress the same, etc. In practice, this is Ben 10K Returns's Eon and not Race Against Time's, and it makes way more sense with Ben 10K Returns than without it.) And with the way each future story contradicts the last, it seems very likely that every possible future Ben is still possible. Here's hoping for an arc coming out of this Time War thing, and Ben facing the possibility that there are still multiple paths his future could take.
- He's gone through mutliple dimensions, and has gone back into the past and into the future many, many times, a considerable feat considering that, unlike Paradox, he is still technically a part of the time stream. As a result of all this contact, Ben is starting to remember bits and pieces of what happened in other timelines. Heck, we had a version that went in time before he got the omnitrix in Gwen 10 who remembered everything, and in Store 23 when Ben asks should he do anything, as it may "change history", it's a subconscious recollection of Ben Again and how he kept getting stuck in these time paradoxes.
- Of course, none of this is including Eon, Evil!Future!Ben, but it may explain why he ends up getting time powers...
- It always bothered me, how Eon of the show can be so different from the Eon of the movie in motivation and backstory, but still have the same name and powers and different artists' interpretation of the same look. However, in the movie, Eon's plan was to put himself in the Omnitrix and then pull a Ghostfreak. What if RAT Ben appeared to recover from the attempt, but didn't fully, and was slowly corrupted into becoming a lot like Eon, but still enough of Ben to have a totally different motivation from the Chronian Eon? The last Eon episode will have the RAT Omnitrix fixed, and Eon returns to being Ben (with a Chronian morph for timey-wimey problems, since apparently Clockwork is hard to master.)
- My Theory is that in RAT Eon was lying and that it was all a Stable Time Loop to place his DNA in the Omnitrix, allowing him to somehow corrupt Ben later.
- It always bothered me, how Eon of the show can be so different from the Eon of the movie in motivation and backstory, but still have the same name and powers and different artists' interpretation of the same look. However, in the movie, Eon's plan was to put himself in the Omnitrix and then pull a Ghostfreak. What if RAT Ben appeared to recover from the attempt, but didn't fully, and was slowly corrupted into becoming a lot like Eon, but still enough of Ben to have a totally different motivation from the Chronian Eon? The last Eon episode will have the RAT Omnitrix fixed, and Eon returns to being Ben (with a Chronian morph for timey-wimey problems, since apparently Clockwork is hard to master.)
- Where did Eon take Paradox in Ben Again? After all, Paradox says that he's trapped Eon in this one timeline, yet wherever they are it certainly isn't a place with life. The answer? The remains of previously destroyed universe.
- This is made apparent in that the Mr Smoothies are fitting with each timeline (original for the past timeline, the new style for the current timeline).
- It explains how, although not the same universe, they're the same timeline, and the characters acknowledge each other as their past and future selves, so it can be assumed that, while the universe is a copy, there is, at the very least, a connection between the characters of 'different' universe.
- The remains of the destroyed universe is a pocket in space that Paradox and Eon, controlling time, can exist in for long periods of time without damaging the fabric of time much, as its already been essentially ruined.
- Anyone else expecting Rook Blonko to be under that helmet?
- Well he does have a beard... But it could be that this Tetrax is still just the pure mercenary who doesn't care about anyone else. Ben 23 didn't know who Vilgax was. No Vilgax, no giving him a crystal he uses to blow up Tetrax's homeworld.
- Maybe it was a Heroic Sacrifice.
- (This was posted after any of the below) Wasn't Ghostfreak his own sentient being the entire time?
- Also Mama Big Chill!
- And now XLR 8 and spidermonkey may be representing a more hyper personality.
- Adding to this Heatblast, Articguana, and (maybe) Feed Back could all represent a more laid back "cool" personality.
- This could explain why he often switched between loud, semi-obnoxius, party-ish dude to stoick, straight to the point, leader man out of seemingly no where during AF and UA.
- Ben HAS expressed that he believes all his forms to be living beings...this could be why.
- It is entirely possible that ben's personality is modified to reflect that of the exact member of a species he turns into. for example there could be a heatblast who is a strategist and a heatblast who is brash and overconfident. ben could have gotten the overconfident one.
- This could explain why he often switched between loud, semi-obnoxius, party-ish dude to stoick, straight to the point, leader man out of seemingly no where during AF and UA.
- Perhaps whenever an Alien has left the Omnitrix (ala Ghostfreak and the Ultimate Forms) it may be Ben's psyche rejecting or trying to "kill" certain personalities. Unfortionatley the Omnitrix makes this a case of Literal Split Personality.
- My question is how he gained the "Ghostfreak personality"?
- A result of bullying perhaps?
- My question is how he gained the "Ghostfreak personality"?
- This whole concept is horrifying and sad if you think about it too much.
- Anyone want to oppose this wmg?
- Wait what's MPD?
- Multiple Personality Disorder
- Oh...
- Multiple Personality Disorder
- This could explain his random bouts as a Knight Templar....
- That or he was honest-to-god-pissed during those "bouts".
- What makes you think that?
- Julie just hasn't been around and Ben has been flirting is all. Although the sneak peak clip for Julie's priemere episode shows he still cares about her so this might be jossed...
- Guess we will see. But if it's jossed, it's like Omniverse is REALLY trying to make Ben a bad boyfriend.
- Jossed. They broke up.
- What makes you think that?
- Well, I didn't see him around when Classic Ben turned into Way Big, but this would make sense for Modern Ben in that alien force scene.
- Sadly jossed; as far as we know, the cameo was nothing relevant to the plot, and the Dwarf Star didn't show up in the finale. They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot indeed...
- Granted, this doesn't stop the idea from being used later.
- Sadly jossed; as far as we know, the cameo was nothing relevant to the plot, and the Dwarf Star didn't show up in the finale. They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot indeed...
- Jossed. He's Frankenstrike instead.
- That would be the most half-ass, silly retcon they could made; Kevin has been etablished as an Osmosian for a while now, it's too late to retcon that.
- Its simple: it's revealed that he's just been lying about an Osmosian heritage to get sympathy and trust from everyone else. It's not like his powers are bound by the limitations of an Osmosian, anyways, as "Kevin 11" shows him utilizing 100% of Four Arms's power when an Osmosian would only be able to use 10%.
- Well, even if this was the case, perhaps somebody could explain how Kevin went psycho when he absorbed the Ultimatrix in Ultimate Alien?
- - Answer: He didn't. He wanted to go back to hurting people for a while, so he used the Osmosian excuse to start attacking people again. Remember: He didn't go insane when he absorbed the energy feedback from the Omnitrix in "Vengeance of Vilgax".
- Well on that note, here's another question. Why did he turn into a stone-type guy instead of a monsterous creature like in both the original series and Ultimate Alien?
- - Who knows? Since either the Omnitrix: a) stores DNA which none of the materials he was mutated into possessed or b) contained nothing at all which means he couldn't have obtained anything, much less DNA, from the Omnitrix or Ultimatrix ever, there's really no reason why he would have mutated like that while neither Ben or Gwen did as well. Either he absorbed DNA of aliens composed of the materials he mutated into or it's just a very badly thought out attempt at drama.
- Actually, now that I think about it, why would Kevin want to go back to being evil in the first place?
- - Because he enjoys hurting others. It's a source of pleasure. He was always a blood-thirsty psychopath; UAF just tried to give him a cheap excuse out of that which is functionally impossible.
- And how is this functionally impossible?
- - Kevin utilizes 100% of an absorbed power when an Osmosian uses only 10% ("Kevin 11").
- - Kevin doesn't go insane when he absorbs energy while an Osmosian should ("Vengeance of Vilgax").
- - Unless human + Osmosian results in offspring with powers 1000% more powerful than half of their source DNA and with no weaknesses, it is completely impossible for Kevin to be even half Osmosian. Logically, his powers should be even weaker than the source DNA, all things considered .
- Well, maybe a human + Osmosian hybrid would result in that. You don't know for sure, you're not a Scientist in Ben 10. At that, I assumed that Kevin didn't directly absorb the energy from the Omnitrix, but rather, substances from different species. There was a machine that they were using to hack the Omnitrix, after all. We don't know what kinda effect that would have on Kevin.
- - So he's a mutant no matter what. So why not just let him be a human mutant instead of a convoluted hodge-podge of ratios and loss of an Osmosian weakness that was created specifically to excuse him for his myriads of crimes? It's what Cartoon Network wanted from Wyatt et al: a cleaner continuity. As for the AF mutation, the DNA still needs to come from somewhere. And, logically, it would have to be the Omnitrix since the mutation was tied directly to it! To have the hacking machine be responsible for the mutation, considering it was destroyed by the Omnitrix releasing a wave of energy, would be an illogical conclusion.
- Cleaning up Continuity? So, taking his heritage that was mentions quite a bit throughout the series and was at one section o it a major plot point and just kicking it out of the window is cleaning up continuity? No, I'm sorry, but that's just messes up things more. Retconing a planet. That seems bad until you realize that it's only appearances were in episodes that had nothing to do with the main arc at the time, and you could easily just say "Azmuth put all of the alien DNA in the omnitrix" like it was originally intended. But we're working with all three series here, and this includes the Aggregor arc. And you can't just say "Kevin wanted to be bad for a bit" and expect to get away with it. If he knew he wasn't insane then he was being evil for the sake of being evil. Not to mention that he was pretty good friends with both Ben and Gwen before that mutation. Why would he go back to his evil ways and start hurting them?! And here's an idea, if we're going with "Osmosian's can't absorb more then 10% of stuff" and we find a plot hole in that, how about we just retcon that and have them always be able to absorb 100% Of things? Now That would explain some things. And I'm pretty sure that the "Only 10%" stuff was never talked about on the show, only in forums about the series.
- - His heritage was brought up only during the Aggregor Arc and even then, Kevin was the only person to have declared himself an Osmosian: since they have a quick out from being criminals, a criminal mind like Kevin's would take advantage of that. Kevin would go back to being evil and even hurt his friends because he was originally a blood-thirsty psychopath who enjoys hurting others for, basically, fun. Aggregor specifically required a machine to absorb the full power of the Andromeda aliens. That was a critical plot point that required Osmosians being only able to absorb 10%.
- Alright, fine on one case. He wanted an out to excuse himself. That doesn't mean he wasn't sorry. You forget that, yes, while he was a deranged psychopath, He was an eleven year old boy. At that point in one's life, it's very likly that a boy in Kevin's perspective would turn out like that. 5 Years pass and somewhere along the line Kevin stops robbing banks and starts to sell alien tech. Why would he do this when doing things like robbing banks would be much easier? Because he's sorry. At some point in those five years, he probably went, "Aw, man, I'm a monster." and tried to do better then his younger self. When he meets with Ben and Gwen again do you really think they're gonna buy a simple "I'm sorry" After all he's done to them? Events of Alien force happen now. It's pretty well established that he's buddies with Ben and Gwen's Boyfriend. Why would he go back and hurt them after all that's happened? You can't tell me that he just went back to being evil the first chance he got. And on the case of Aggregor, if he could only get 10% of an aliens powers, then why would he go for the Alien X baby? He's going for god here, and I don't think 10% gonna cut it. And on the case of the Andromina five and the machine, I always just assumed that he was absorbing their entire beings, including knowledge. Ben has Amp Fibian, but doesn't know how to use his powers, Whose to say Aggregor didn't plan ahead for this. Alternatively, Aggregor's just wanted to kill the five. You can't prove me wrong on this case, Aggregor's an douchebag.
- - Yes, he was an eleven-year-old who was positively giddy about killing a few hundred people for a quick buck. Then he rampaged across America causing pain and suffering to frame Ben's aliens for crimes. Then he rampaged across the universe attacking anyone he met until he had a small army of aliens too afraid to disobey, even when told to find Vilgax, the most hated being in the galaxy. His canon (by Man of Action) future had him actually admit to causing pain, not to prove a point, but because he liked it. And even after supposedly turning, he continues to cause pain to people, like the aliens from "Simple" that he profiteered off helping them to slaughter each other. Feeling frustrated at not being liked as well as Ben was and Gwen not putting out would have driven him back to a reliable source of pleasure: causing hurt. As for Aggregor absorbing the Celestialsapien: Celestialsapiens have the potential to be omnipotent, or "all-powerful". They have infinite power and 10% of infinity is still infinity. Besides, he had thought this through. Why would he want 100% of a Celestialsapien's power if 100% also came with two voices he had to argue with to actually do anything? As for the machine: Aggregor was repeatedly shown not to be able to utilize the full power of a Geochelone and the power quickly faded. So a more permanent solution had to be constructed: completely absorbing them into himself and rewriting his own genetic structure to contain the Andromedas. If he could obtain 100% of their powers without the machine, he would have gone straight for the Map of Infinity as genre savvy as he is shown to be. No mess, no fuss, just obtaining the Map and a Celestialsapien's power without anyone knowing. Then he can start murdering people once he had undisputed rule of the universe.
- You listed the monstrous things he did in the original series. I'm not saying that the guy wasn't a complete monster at one point, I'm just saying that he's not that now. There is no true Moral Event Horizon. A character could always turn their life around. And on the case of "Simple" That is basically the story of the Starks. Both Tony and his father not only sold weapons of mass destruction, but they even crafted them. And they were good people. Tony saw eventually that he was wrong, he saw the destruction he reaped. Also, Argit was there. Kevin's best ratty space friend. I'm not gonna go into detail with Argit, I don't think I have to at this point. And on the case of Aggregor, I can see your point, but you do have one flaw that I wish to explain. If an Osmosian absorbed a Celestialsapien's power, even at 10% He'd still get the voices. The reason as to why he went for the baby is because that had not yet developed the two space heads. And at what I'm seeing from our conversation here, I think that there is one theory that we can both ride on with out having this batte to the death of this subject. Look right below this WMG.
- - I… I’ve been wracking my mind for ‘’days’’ trying to figure this out. Are you saying that… if someone slaughtered your family and bathed in their blood, you’d forgive and accept him with open arms if he said that he was sorry and was crazy at the time? Even when he continued to be a criminal, if a lesser one? I… the mind ‘’boggles’’ before these implications. And I’m not saying he hasn’t changed: I’m saying that his body naturally produces dopamine when causing others pain. He naturally gets a high off the hurting of others. Tony and Kevin aren’t comparable in this matter; Tony was a weapon manufacturer in a world that needed weaponry for protection against others with weaponry and, upon realizing the devastation his wanton creation and distribution of weaponry had caused, changed his ways immediately while Kevin actively distributed weapons to both sides of a war between idiots and didn’t care that his actions cost the lives of hundreds, instead weeping over losing money he stole from Argit. As for the Celestialsapien-absorption of the voices, we don’t know why Aggregor specifically wanted the infant; maybe because the infant hadn’t developed the voices, maybe because an adult might take offense to being absorbed… we just don’t know. Your WMG still doesn’t explain why he didn’t go insane when absorbing energy in “Vengeance of Vilgax”.
- Well, before I get into this rant, I'm just going to assume that when you say "bathed in their blood" your meaning a metaphor for killing them and taking enjoyment, because if you're not, I want you to send me this scene you're talking about, cause I've never seen it. I expect to see a Giant mutated Kevin in a normal bathtub full of blood with a bar of soap and a squeegee, cleaning himself. All jokes aside, sorry, that image popped up in my head and I felt that I should share it, here's my point. Kevin at the time was basically a bully-kid who got his hands on a Gun and a sack of cocaine here. No sugar coating, that's what Osmosians are when they absorb Energy.And if you don't give someone in that situation a second chance after they're off the stuff, then you my friend are a monster. Also, I don't remember at any time in the original series that Kevin actually killed a single member of Ben's family. Yes, he tried, but whenever they were in danger of Kevin they were usually with Ben, so he was just going after Ben in that situation and they got in his way. And the reason as to why he got high off of hurting others is because He was insane! When you're insane, you kinda have that problem! There is also this one particular thing that I must mention about Ben trusting Kevin that was also reveled in Ultimate Alien. In the Forge of Creation, they pull Classic Ben from the time stream and he helps them out there. At the end of said episode, Paradox comes in to take him back, to which Classic Ben assumes aloud that he's not gonna remember any of this. Paradox responds to this by telling him that he's gonna think it was a dream, and that it would subconsciously place a small amount of trust for Kevin when he meets him in Alien force. You could say that's a load of bull, but when the Doctor Who Expy tells you something, I think you should listen to the guy. And I can see where you're coming from on Iron Man, but I don't buy that for Tony. I'll buy it for his dad, but not Tony. Tony's reasons were different, the most selfless one would have a sentimental connection to his father in some way, but I feel he was also doing it for fame. But this is Ben 10, not The Marvel Cinematic Universe. Not the time for that conversation. He got character development, so he ain't the same man he used to be. Moving on. I also am now remembering the events of "Simple" and have two plausible theories. #1 He didn't think things completely through. How is this Plausible? Argit. #2 The reason that he was on the planet in the first place was the same reason Ben was there. To stop the war. And the people were gonna get weapons either way because Argit was already there selling them to them,and I'm sure that they would have gotten them some other way if this was not the case. Kevin knew that they were gonna end the war there, so he decided to make a quick buck by selling them weapons that they weren't gonna use because Ben was gonna stop the war. Of course they didn't end the war, so Kevin's possible plan backfired, but whatever. That conversations done. And you are correct on the Celestialsapien thing, the baby had not developed to two voices yet. And I do have a theory to back up the mutation in "Vengeance of Vilgax." If you notice, they were using a machine to hack the Omnitrix in Ben's garage, a place with steel(The machine), wood(Tools) and stone(The concrete floor) three of the four things that Kevin appeared to have during his mutation. The only other thing is Tedanite, or whatever Diamond Head's made out of, which I can assume is from the Omnitrix, but before you say, "But wouldn't that cause energy absorption if he absorbed some of Diamondhead's powers?" you should realize that, in the end, Diamondhead is pretty much made of tedanite, or at least a tedanite-ike substance. If he shot out a crystal and Kevin absorbed that, that would not equal energy absorption. And if you still don't buy that in "Showdown part 2" In Omniverse Kevin absorbs some of the armor from Way Big and suffers no ill effects that he did from the other series. And if you still don't buy that I'm looking at the machine on the Ben 10 Wiki and that light blue part of it could be tedanite for all we know. So, the machine caused Kevin to mutate in some way, how, I'm not sure. At that point we just gotta say it's the science of the Ben 10 Universe. And if you still think he absorbed energy, I feel I should also mention that four aliens actually escaped the Omnitrix, Chromastone, Goop, Spidermonkey and Way Big. It probably took alot of energy to actually pull those guys out for all we know. Transforming is one thing, but pulling four aliens outta nowhere is an entirely different thing. So, if there was any energy transference there, I think it's safe to assume that it went to those four, mainly Way Big. Now then, thanks to our debate here, this is the longest WMG on the page. Hands down. So if we're gonna go with Kevin's a mutant, then he's either a mutant that goes insane while absorbing energy, or a mutant Osmosian that can absorb 100% of anything. Now then, I'm kinda done here. I don't wanna continue to argue on this subject anymore. So if none of these answers satisfy you the I have one last thing to say on this matter. One last thing to leasve this subject on. Something that can be considered lazy, yes, but it's something that I feel I should say because you said that you've been wracking your mind for days trying to figure this out and I feel that this is the most appropriate response to such a comment in this situation. This is a TV show designed for children. We should really just relax here.
- Its simple: it's revealed that he's just been lying about an Osmosian heritage to get sympathy and trust from everyone else. It's not like his powers are bound by the limitations of an Osmosian, anyways, as "Kevin 11" shows him utilizing 100% of Four Arms's power when an Osmosian would only be able to use 10%.
- On the technicality, he's a half-Osmosian, half-human being. However, he could be a mutant by having his Osmosian DNA already mixed with his human DNA resulting with his powers.
- A half-Osmosian with powers 1000% greater than a pure Osmosian, as is quantifiable by Kevin's original appearance in "Kevin 11" when Six Arms had strength equal to its source DNA, Four Arms. So he's a mutant no matter what.
- I would just like to point out that some of the info said previously is incorrect: it was actually mentionned in the original show that Kevin DID absorb only 10% of the aliens powers, in fact it even became a plot-point in the episode with Slix Vigma's gladiator games, where Ben had to learn him how to combine his powers to make them more effective. So, no, AUF didn't came up with the 10% part, and Kevin always was limited to this.
- Kevin however wasn't always limited to this, he was on equal footing with Ben's aliens (either that or insanely more competent in their use) until he mutated into his Kevin 11 form, when he was channeling a single alien there was no noticible gap in their power.
- What make you think he was on equal footing with Ben? Maybe it's just that Ben still had some vague friendship or hope to redeem Kevin at this point and was holding back. As soon as he took the fight seriously as Fourarms, he practically swoop the floor with Sixarms.
- Because someone who's only one tenth your strength doesn't put up a fight and are relatively easy to restrain while you talk to them. Ben beat Kevin down AFTER he mutated, before they were going back and forth more than they should have if he only had 10% of his power.
- It's probably something that was either assumed from Kevin (and flat out wrong) or a case where the writers didn't know what was going on. Kevin only got 10% of 10 aliens. He seemed to get 100% of ONE alien and from there people (possibly the writers included) came to the belief that Osmosians only get 10%.
- I have to say, this would be a huge middle finger to the previous series writers and everyone whose come to love Kevin for what he is now. Just because it would bring something more in line with the original series doesn't mean it's the right decision.
- I'm not saying to change his character: it's just that Wyatt et al have been mandated to "clean up continuity". If Kevin is going to be a mutant no matter what, why not make him just a mutant human with absorbing powers instead of a mutant human/Osmosian hybrid with the absorbing powers of an Osmosian increased by 1000% and without any liabilities.
- Here's the thing. The thing about Kevin being a mutant in the original series? It's never said. Not even once. We only know about it because that's what they revealed the original creators PLANNED. It's never established at all in the series, and thus, the creators of the following weren't creating any plot holes by going their own route. Meanwhile, saying he's NOT an Osmosian, making him a mutant, saying that the character explicitly stated to be his father is actually NOT his father, and making it so he was acting willingly the whole time despite what's presented on screen? That wouldn't be cleaning up continuity - it would be making it more convoluted. And for the sake of what? A plot point that was never actually part of the story in the first place?
- - Devin, as he was established, could not have existed without severe continuity issues. The original Plumbers were an Earth-based organization that had been defunct for ‘’decades’’ before the original series and was comprised entirely of humans, with the only alien members being honorary at best. Devin couldn’t have been an original series Plumber because he was an alien, particularly an alien that had a high propensity for going ‘’murderously insane’’. Further, Devin ‘’died’’ in his flashback, so to be teamed with Max when the Plumbers were still active would mean that Kevin is upwards of ‘’thirty or forty years old’’. Further, Max’s partner was Phil. Either:
- - a) Devin cannot exist.
- - b) Devin isn’t Kevin’s father.
- - c) Devin ‘’is’’ Kevin’s father, making Kevin upwards of 30-40 years old.
- - Further, regarding word of god, if we’re dismissing words of god then we’d need to dismiss the words of various gods from the sequels which, among ‘’numerous’’ things, would mean the majority of the Galvan are extinct and Galvan Prime is destroyed.
- Now hold on there. You said that alien members would be honorary at best, maybe Devin is one of those honorarys. Not to mention that we don't know weather or not it was decades before the Plumbers were broken up. That flashback, Max is 49 at the least, which at that time, Kevin is either a newborn, or still in his mother stomach. Yes, the original plumbers did disband, however, it also says that it was made by the government, whom of which I assume that the top, more alien plumbers must go through in order to get the OK to turn Earth into a Plumber based planet. Which is not a stretch when you look at it like that. At that, perhaps when he was instated they didn't know if he was an Osmosian or not, not to mention that from the way it was spoken about in the series, it appeared to be taboo for his kind, but that's just the message I got. And if you still don't buy that, here's another theory. The effects of a Osmosian inside a human are different then normal circumstances, considering that Aggregor refers to Kevin as a hatchling, implying that they go through a different birth then humans, so maybe, just maybe, Kevin's mother was pregnant for several years. This one's a bit of a stretch as opposed to that flashback taking place eleven years before the original series, but, if you don't buy it, you got that wonderful other image to go with. Either way, too much has happened in the series in order for this to not be canon. So unless we're going with "mutant absorbs engergy leads to insanity" down there, this is pretty much canon. And you gotta deal with it. Also, Galvan Prime was rebuilt. Azmuth said it and it reappeared in the squeals. The matter of the majority of Galvans inhabitants is still kinda there, but I think we can assume that plenty of them survived. At least enough to rebuild their civilization.
- I'm not saying to change his character: it's just that Wyatt et al have been mandated to "clean up continuity". If Kevin is going to be a mutant no matter what, why not make him just a mutant human with absorbing powers instead of a mutant human/Osmosian hybrid with the absorbing powers of an Osmosian increased by 1000% and without any liabilities.
- The original series Plumbers shot aliens on sight. Notice their reaction to Bens Cannonbolt form where they decide to kill him just in case, just because he is an alien.
- Wait a second, which episode was this? The only episode I actually remember where the actual Plumbers appeared in were all flashbacks, which is before Ben existed.
- S 4 E 4: Big Fat Alien Wedding.
- Weren't they also somewhat paranoid about another alien messing up the wedding too?
- Wait a second, which episode was this? The only episode I actually remember where the actual Plumbers appeared in were all flashbacks, which is before Ben existed.
- CONFIRMED! In the episode The Rooters of All Evil. Osmosians even aren't really an alien species, is a human sub-species that hace differents powers according to their DNA.
- Not out of the question, given Darkstar.
- According to Derrick, the film is canon! Ben got Feedback soon after the film.
- I know that. I was more-so referring to the fight itself. Malware vs Retaliator. I know that it can't happen now, therefore that fight would be non-canon. I still want it to happen.
- Actually that would be pretty cool.
- Vilgax, whose goals surround the Nemetrix (rumors about it will probably spread like wildfire).
- Enoch, seeking to manipulate the Forever Knights for power once more.
- Eon, who will do more things with the two Bens and have some sort of mess up on the timeline.
- Albeto
- Zs'Skayr
Plus, this series is very excessive with their continuity anyway.
- Well, on a technical standpoint, the games are already canon, just not to the main timeline. It can be quite easy to assume that all of the characters who appear in the games are in the main timeline as well, it's just that none of them have met Ben or anyone else before.
- Jossed. Ectonurites are revealed to have the ability to rotate their skulls. Flashbacks show Zs'kayr looking like he did before.
Because some fans believe that Ben got Nanites during his little alternate universal excursion. Whose to say they aren't in him right now?
- Jossed for the time being at least. There are no plans for anything even tangentially related to Generator Rex.
- Also, the pot is about wierd creatures attacks Bellwood. Cryptids? And who better to bring in than Doc Saturday?
- Yes! This is the kind of theory that I like to see on this page! I want this! Make this Happen!
- Yeah!
- Please God Almighty Let THIS HAPPEN!!!!
- Confirmed at this point.
- Yes! This is the kind of theory that I like to see on this page! I want this! Make this Happen!
- Jossed; she speaks the same way than her brothers.
- If this is the case, then Sixsix is one ugly Rivanagander.
- Supplementary material says they're Sotoraggians.
- Yeah, this series loves its Shout Outs, but Aggregor was mentioned as one potential responsible party for a destroyed planet. Right after that, Rook says "Or the Highbreed, once," acknowledging the fact that their arc ended with them no longer being bad guys, so you know The Powers That Be are being careful with it: Aggregor would not have been mentioned in a way that suggests that he is still a threat if he wasn't. Btw, the same goes for Captain Nemesis.
- Can you perhaps, re-say that. I'm not sure if you either said what you're trying to say wrong, or if I'm just having one of those derp-moments.
- They find chunks of planets and wonder what happened. Aggregor is one of the possibilities they mentioned. This means they clearly believe he's still a threat. That would mean nothing in many a show that loves shout-outs as much as this one, but previous Omniverse shout-outs haven't forgotten about the current status of past characters. Therefore, it's deliberate that they talked about him as if he's still a threat. Which reminded me of Captain Nemesis, who got talked about a lot for long-forgotten two-shot bad guy back in the one with Ben and Rook getting de-aged. You'd think Nemesis would be on death row or serving multiple consecutive life sentences in a maximum security prison (depending on the state) after the events of Catch A Falling Star, but he's discussed as if he's not.
- Ah, alright. Thank you for re-saying that. I was a bit confused.
- Jossed. It was used to control an army of mutant, lab-grown Tokustars.
Derrick has mentioned that Darkstar and Ghostfreak will return in Arc 5, so this would be the perfect arc for the "Halloween Trio" to return in.
- Confirmed. All three of them appear.
- Partially confirmed, at least, with Snare-Oh, Benmummy's new name. Derrick has also said he wished to rename them before Snare-Oh's name was confirmed.
- Now completely confirmed. Benwolf and Benvicktor are now named Blitzwolfer and Frankenstrike.
- And I'd thought something was wrong with that man before...
- So, in other words, the end result of this WMG is Negative Continuity as opposed to Continuity Porn? Makes sense.
- Currently Jossed. Derrick said they're done, as in not getting back together.
- Yeah. Since the current showrunners don't like the pairing there is only two ways for it to happen. A: A new series is done after Omniverse by a creative team that does like the Ben/Julie pairing. B: Executive Meddling.
- While I do like Julie, I have to admit she isn't very popular, so the A is unlikely. Except if the new love interest turns out worse.
- I just hope this happens. And knowing how this series is we can hope to see A or B happen.
- Yeah. Since the current showrunners don't like the pairing there is only two ways for it to happen. A: A new series is done after Omniverse by a creative team that does like the Ben/Julie pairing. B: Executive Meddling.
- Ben will get an illness or otherwise be away and so Rook, Max, Blukic and Driba, Esther and Magister Patelliday will have to stop some massive threat together.
- This can apply to aliens who only appear in cameos too (like Brainstorm only appearing to get dunked).
- I thought he pretty much was being forced to be their propaganda guy after they took over.
- Yeah, you're probably right. But that probably still won't change his mind about Ben 10.
- Beautifully jossed as of "Return to Forever", which reveals Harangue's ratings plummeted after his alliance with the Incurseans—in spite of his attempts to claim he was "sabotaging" their invasion.
- Think about it: The only known episode of Season 4 or what's supposed to be season 4 is called "Evil's Encore " and the preview involved Animo breaking in to a Plumber Base. It fits so well.
- Seconded. He seems more threatning and competent that usual.
- This can also be made slightly more likely with the fact that the Incursions, a villain treat that might've been lower then Animo's in the previous series, were made into the villains for arc 3. Not to mention the idea that the first two arcs were with both Classic and Modern Ben, while the third was with Modern Ben,it could make logical sense that they're going with a Classic Ben arc.
- Jossed. The villain is Albedo.
- Based on theory above that it will be Crossover with The Secret Saturdays he will team-up Zac Monday.
- One problem with this. Zak Monday was Killed Off for Real in last season of The Secret Saturdays. However the remainder of the Monday family is still a possibility.
- Though it being a crossover with The Secret Saturdays, Albedo appearing is jossed, though if there's a follow-up Zak Monday appearing might not be out of the question despite his death, seeing as V.V. Argost was also killed, but revived in "T.G.I.S."
- One problem with this. Zak Monday was Killed Off for Real in last season of The Secret Saturdays. However the remainder of the Monday family is still a possibility.
- If this is the case, then logically he should also have the same weaknesses as an Osmosian. note
- Given we've already got people assuming that...
- … Why? You don’t check to see if a guy’s a drug addict by feeding him the drugs you suspect him to be addicted to! That’s just stupid!
- Unlikely given that Wyatt has repeatedly stated he, and possibly the rest of the writers, have no interest in writing that story. note
- Remember the "Bigfoot is just a guy in a suit" line from Alien Force? That was the case that Max met Doc and Drew and shenanigans ensued, probably when Max tried to serve them dinner.
- Confirmed, sort of. In "T.G.I.S.", Doc mentions that he worked with Max on a cryptid-related matter. Whether that means they're "well-acquainted" is unclear.
- Jossed. His new pet is more dangerous than his previous one.
- The pet part is Jossed. Some people feel that his defeat at the hands of Pesky Dust was indeed Badass Decay.
- June? Juniper Lee? This sounds better and better by the second.
When Alien X rebuilt the universe instead of stopping its destruction, it is because they don't have any true power over time. They, after all, exist outside the universe and everything in it, meaning they are unaffected by the time stream and the general passage of time. Being outside time has resulted in them being unable to do things we take for granted, such as Ben constantly being stuck in place when he transforms and being unaffected by the destruction of the universe since he is now a being outside it.
(It also goes to explain their hatred of Professor Paradox and that Noodle Incident, since Paradox also exists outside of time but continues to intefere all the time, so to speak, and that likely goes either against their morale code or jealousy over his command of time.)
Thing is, all they did was recreate the universe. They could have made copies of all the people in the universe, but Ben wouldn't really like that option really. But Bellicus and Serena have no affinity for time travel or dimenional travel. But who does? Ben. He's crosses into other dimensions and travels the time stream so freely that he a) has an alternate version of himself Eon who does such things like it's second nature, and b) gets caught up in these things so much that apparently he keeps messing it up enough to get Paradox to appear all the time.
Where am I going with this? Well, since Ben is seen (admittedly in the mind of Alien X, but still) outside the destruction of the universe, alive and well, he still has some command over what to do. How long it takes him to unlock the powers that Eon has at this point is inconsequential, since he's now in the body of an alien that is literally unaffected by time itself. The only important part is that it happens, and Ben takes the time to transfer everyone from the dying universe before said destruction and put them into the new one, with the only unput from Alien X about this is to configure their memories so that they remember the appearance of the universe being that of the new one.
(Likely Ben also had to find a way to connect the two universes in some sort of time bridge, so as to make sure that you could acutally travel back and forth between them in the timestream, as seen in 'Ben Again'. That little area that Paradox is trapped in is the remainders of the old universe under the 'time bridge' or something, justifying how Eon was able to trap him in such an obscure place despite being unable to apparently escape from that timeline.)
Eventually, when all is said is done, Ben gets them to wipe however long his current memories are of his activites so as a) not have the complete dominating power he has as Eon and b) to relieve him of the mental stress of knowing you literally picked everyone up and dumped in a different universe for so long. Part of him subconscously remembers though, which is why he doesn't feel all that bad when talking to Rook and Argit about how he brought them back and calling them copies, since part of him knows it isn't exactly the case. It also explains why he doesn't exactly put two and two together about the new universe looking different, since he's been jumping between the two universes that they've got muddled up a bit in his head.
A Deus ex machina on an extreme level? You bet! But I really couldn't go on with the whole Fridge Horror thing they had going with Ben happily existing with supposed copies of his friends, family, and every other being in the universe.
- In 'Return to Forever' he freaks out a little at the sudden pressure placed on him to switch to Grey Matter, focusing on what would happen should he pick the wrong alien, which is unusual for Ben
- In 'Mud is Thicker than Water' he remarks that his mole comment was just a joke, asking how dumb do people think he is before being interrupted by Granpa Max.
- There's the unaddressed issue of how Albedo, restraining himself to just his human form, was actually pretty effective in his plans. Ben would unlikely have dealt with it as well.
- With the return of Khyber and his nemetrix in 'A Fistful of Brains', we see how against the odds Ben does start to panic a little. He did take the wise option of choosing to run, but there was the lack of confidence we've come to expect from him.
- Staying in that episode, his fight with Albedo was just him losing constantly it seemed, with him remarking that had Granpa Max and Rook not interrupted he likely wouldn't have been able to keep going.
- In a 'A Few Brains More' there was his general inability to fight back a lot of the time. Granted Albedo was super-powered and such, but things like his Cannonbolt fight had Ben losing and losing bad.
- 'Max's Monster', while he does get to show off his smarts a fair bit, there is the fact that multiple times he's taken out the instant he goes human, at one point so hard he forget what the current situation was and another he was ko'ed long enough for the other plumbers to get there to fix the energy core.
It just seems that Ben might be coming up to a point where his self-esteem might take a major hit, where he wonders what to do with himself without the omnitrix.
- If that means he will finally lose this unbearable ego of him, then the show might get my respect back.
- Eh, his ego isn't too bad in my opinion. Besides, with his constant Butt-Monkey status, doesn't his ego get proved wrong anyway? It wouldn't hurt for him to be allowed to be a little more competent on his own.
- Azmuth did it when he rewired it to give Albedo the body on an 11-year old Ben Tennyson.
- The reason why Ben's attitude changed over the course of the series is on how much he used the new Omnitrix, in Alien Force he's pretty much mature and stable, but the new ones Azimuth gave him have an unexpected side effect of frying his brain which made him no more different since the original.
- Hence why Khyber freaked out when he saw Pesky Dust.
- Kevin was uncharacteristically doting in “Mystery, Incorporeal”, especially considering that he never once doted on her. Belittled, mistrusted, and attempted to murder, yes; doted, no. So it’s entirely likely that she’s blackmailing him with threats of dumping his abusive ass. —or—
- And is trying to get back in Gwen’s good graces by doting on her endlessly. —or—
- And is trying to get Gwen to put out by doting on her endlessly.
- Lecher means cheater. Since when has he ever cheated on Gwen minus the time when Hope managed to get a kiss from him when he and Gwen had hit a temporarily rough patch in their relationship. So other than that (which was something he didn't intend to happen) when has he been a lecher.
- Lecher - n - a promiscuous or lewd man :: I see no part of this definition that says anything about cheating. I don't see any definition that says anything about cheating. All it means is that he's a pervert.
- Lecher means cheater. Since when has he ever cheated on Gwen minus the time when Hope managed to get a kiss from him when he and Gwen had hit a temporarily rough patch in their relationship. So other than that (which was something he didn't intend to happen) when has he been a lecher.
- Their relationship has taken more of domestic turn partially because they live together now and are also away from Ben. This tropper has seen this kind of situation before where both "bad boys" and flirty guys have moved in with their significant others and become much more affectionate to said person. You know, because they love them. Also Kevin doesn't have Ben around for any Ho Yay for the most part so his affections are now geared completely towards Gwen and the dog. (Seriously, doesn't living with your GF and owning a dog together sound at least a little domestic to you?) In other words there is nothing creepy or bad about this like previous troppers are trying to say. Kevin and Gwen's relationship is just maturing is all and it happens to be more obvious with Kevin than it is with Gwen.
- What would be a decent argument is ultimately ruined by the fact that he's a) living in his garage, not with her, and b) he continues to otherwise act like the same old mass-murdering sociopath that has thus far been the driving force behind this horribly abusive relationship.
- It was established in the first episode that Kevin has a place near campus, and that was before he got the job at the auto garage. When in Omniverse did Kevin act murderous, sociopathic, or abusive?
- Most teens/young adults go through a phase where they try new clothing styles, and new things in general, at some point. Our trio's new looks just happen to invoke how they dressed when they were younger. They probably don't even realize they're dressed similarly to how they use to.
- His suit seems to be based on Ultra-Ben and Plumber suit, but with green accents.
- His name definitely bring Plumbers to mind, not to mention its similar to how Max used to call himself Wrench in "Voided".
- Just think about it. Their personalities and relationships with Gwen are virtually identical.
- How would she pull off the magic/mana stuff?
- Spanner is voiced by Scott Menville, just like Jimmy, and seems to have an admiration for Ben.
- Jossed, unless Zs'skayr didn't consider "hatred of Vladats" to be undesirable.
- Jossed. There are no plans for another Generator Rex crossover. She was just using the word.
- Jossed. It's Darkstar.
- Confirmed
- Semi-confirmed; we get a Gwen 10 in the season six opening two-parter. Hilariously, there's also an Omnitrix-weilding Argit in one timeline.
- But also semi jossed, as it is a separate version of Gwen 10; ignoring the theory that the original episode was a dream Ben had (thus explaining inconsistencies like Vilgax arriving much sooner), the OS Gwen 10's Omnitrix was identical to Ben's, here it's been recoloured Blue and Pink, much like Ben 23's.
- Confirmed. Spanner is actually Ben's kid from the future.
They're skilled with technology, yes. but in terms of behavior and thinking, they appear to be on the same level as any other sapient species.
- Nah, it's gonna be Rook/Ben. Gwevin's lasted this long and shows no signs of slowing down. Isosceles Right Triangle and Rayona can become lesbian lovers, so there's equal opportunity for Ho Yay and Les Yay.
- The fact that Gwevin even started like it did and, even more incredibly, lasted this long is a travesty unto all halfway decent writing in existence.
- Close enough..... it's Feedback, the first alien new to the series.
- Confirmed. Three words: Universal Road Trip!
- Exhibit A: During UAF our Power Trio are often seen drinking smoothies together.
- Exhibit B: After Ben and Kevin reconciled during Absolute Power they decide to go to Mr. Smoothy.
- Exhibit C: After escaping from Providence in Ben 10/Generator Rex: Heroes United Ben tries to go to Mr. Smoothy in order to have some semblance of his friends and family he might never see again.
- Exhibit D: After his friends were Put on a Bus in the premier of Ben 10: Omniverse Ben decides to not get a smoothie because it doesn't feel right without his cousin and best friend.
- Exhibit E: Ben has mild shock when when Julie reveals she doesn't like Mr. Smoothy
- Exhibit B: After Ben and Kevin reconciled during Absolute Power they decide to go to Mr. Smoothy.
- Jury X-Rigg: Alien X's powers, Jury Rigg's body and aviator jacket, there being four personalities within the body. Or alternately, Alien X's body with Jury Rigg's red maybe and "fix, fix, fix" compulsion.
- XXLR8: Perhaps this wouldn't be that good, due to Alien X being a Split Personality
- Trackatrout: Fasttrack's superspeed with Walkatrout's slipperiness to avoid getting gribbed in the process.
- Alternatively discovered when Ben 10,000 learned that Walkatrout has unlimited stamina that comes together with the power of walking, and that would be the time when he has to travel for a very long distance urgently.
- Variants: X8L-Trout (combined with XRL8 instead)
- Word of God states that the Ultimatrix isn't even superior to the prototype, it has more brute power with the evolution function (though without Azmuth fixing it, the Ultimates ultimately became sentient and nearly killed Ben), but it was lacking several secondary capacities, most notably the ability to repair genetic damage, as seen in the UA episode with DN Aliens.
Now obviously Matruant is seen a lot in the last few seasons of the show, and he's a Chronosapien, however, in "It's a Mad Mad Ben World" we see that a Mechamorph can merge with a Chronosapien, as seen when Ben 23 as Techno Bubble (Upgrade) merges with Ben as Clockwork. Furthermore Maltruant has several key differences in appearance to Clockwork it could be nothing, just variation among the Chronosapien species, but another possibility is that the Malware goop fuses itself with a Chronosapien, transforming it into Maltruant while Malware takes over the body, or even their personalities fuse.
Furthermore Maltruant's plan to reshape the universe in his own image and Malware's plan to assimilate Galvan Prime are definitely from the same family of evil plans, albeit Maltruant's is on a far grander scale than Malwares.
He claimed it was "begging for trouble" when he first learned about it, but after taking the Ultimatrix away at the end of Ultimate Alien, he couldn't resist the urge to examine its capabilities and ran it on every DNA sample in the Codon Stream, then digitized the updated DNA. He's holding this data in reserve and will eventually upload it into Ben's Omnitrix when he feels Ben really needs it.
Also, the evolved versions that came from his experiments will be slightly different from the evolved forms that Albedo used — less "rougher-looking".
There really isn't a way that Kevin or Rook could made it immune to those two.