Reading this, you may think that this is how Ohba uses Takagi as his "voice" - except that he has done the same thing with Near in a Death Note one-shot. Mind Screw or Fridge Brilliance?
- You know, that may be the one thing that could get me to accept the one-shot as canon. That and telling myself L was performing a Secret Test of Character and Mello knew it.
- Confirmed at least with Hattori and Ryuk.
- Nizuma = Eiichiro Oda, being very popular mangakas with Crazy Is Cool tendencies.
- It has apparently been revealed that he's a dead ringer for what Toriko's mangaka looks like.
- Hiramaru = Tite Kubo, the only reason he is successful is because his manga is inherently awesome.
- Aoki = Mizuki Kawashita (creator of Ichigo 100%), as one of the very few female authors and one who writes fanservicey shonen romance.
- Fukuda... admittedly, I haven't figured out just yet who Fukuda is, though I'm strongly inclined towards the creators of Eyeshield 21.
- Confirmed 1 chapter later!
- The latter of those two theories is more-or-less confirmed! Woot!
- Aw, seemingly jossed. Oh well.
- Relationships between voice actors and mangakas in real life aren't exactly uncommon. And based on how they handled the Drama CD bit, it doesn't look like there'll be a dilemma there.
- Chapter 166 confirms 3), at least the first part. And the public reaction is not very nice...
- 2 and 3 ultimately come true, but Azuki prevailed in the end. 1 was jossed, since it was specifically pointed out that she had cut back on her assignments for the purpose of taking the Reversi role
- Jossed, as in recent canon he has decided to drop out of college.
In Chapter 93, Hattori thinks that PCP is popular, and the editor shouldn't end a series just because it can't compete with Eiji's series, which may result in the readers demanding its return if it gets canceled. The main characters and Hattori seem a bit too certain that the arc will enable PCP to pass Eiji's series in the rankings, and this might be what unexpectedly goes wrong. This outcome might also go hand in hand with the ending of the Akechi arc of PCP, in which Akechi gets outwitted, but he and the PCP acknowledge each other as rivals.
- Wow, that sounds like an awesome plot! Though I don't think the editor-in-chief will budge again...
- Jossed; PCP surpasses Natural, is 2 votes short of Crow, and continues, albeit with the editor noting that it's wrong to cancel a popular manga.
Given his reaction to the manga in the latest chapter, it's a possibility.
- On the other hand, while this might help Ashirogi Muto, it would deal a devastating blow to Shiratori (especially considering the situation with his parents), so it's unclear he would do this for Ashirogi Muto's sake if he had any idea of the situation (Shiratori told Takagi, Mashiro and Hattori about it).
- Alternatively, he will use this on Nanamine's series, should it get published. His reactions to the one-shot in the most recent chapter shows he isn't very impressed with it. Plus TO are writing him as a horrible person who actively subverts the system. Which is a bad thing.
- Given the number of ways this arrangement could go wrong, pointed out on this page and in the series, it's possible Eiji doesn't think he'll need to.
- Alternatively, he will use this on Nanamine's series, should it get published. His reactions to the one-shot in the most recent chapter shows he isn't very impressed with it. Plus TO are writing him as a horrible person who actively subverts the system. Which is a bad thing.
- Jossed, Rabuta and Peace already got cancelled.
- In fact, he used it on Crow.
PCP has the most focus, the most insight on the characters and plot, and the most buildup (it's manga that has everything that the duo learned in it, their best effort on their last chance to get serialized). While the anime is unable to get a sponsor, that could potentially be resolved somehow, possibly based on the series' popularity. Since Hattori notes that an Ashirogi Muto manga would have to be planned from the beginning for an anime to get an anime, and that it typically isn't possible to do so, it's less likely that they would make a fourth series, and perhaps even less likely that they would permanently separate in order for Mashiro to get an anime.
- Personally, I'm thinking that PCP will get an OVA - not shown on TV, so kids won't be so exposed to it, but an anime nonetheless!
- This troper thinks so too. It's the obvious solution to the problem they keep repeating about kids being influenced.
- PCP will not get an anime adaptation until Jump decides to cancel Bakuman. The authors will then rush and make a grand finale using PCP. Until that day, they will keep doing countless side arcs, like they have been doing since chapter 100.
- A more sympathetic interpretation of when and how this could happen is that the failure to get an anime and the struggle to find another way is largely a test of Mashiro and Takagi's patience and determination, as they seem to be less discouraged by news of their fellow mangakas who started around the same time they did or later getting animes, or by the fact that the time it takes is exceeding even their most conservative estimates (Mashiro's highest early estimate was five years, and it's already been about five years since the start). They're also willing to stick with PCP while doing so, unlike when they wanted to quit Tanto because it, among other things, would have been more likely to get canceled than get an anime. The lesson here may be that persistence, even when your ultimate goal seems unattainable on your present course of action, can pay off.
- Jossed, Reversi is what wins Ashirogi Muto the anime.
Considering one of the greatest controversies surrounding JUMP is their policy of not allowing authors to end their stories if they're really popular, perhaps he'll use his to end his series on a high note (rather than let it be dragged on and on into mediocrity). After all, once you hit #1, where else is there to go? Would possibly double as a Take That! by Ohba and Obata towards JUMP.
- It's worth noting that in the Viz translation he wants "the right to end any series in the magazine (he doesn't) like", so he may not be limited to one if this ever comes up again.
- He is limited to one series. This is very clear in the original:「僕が嫌いなマンガをひとつ終わらせる権限をください」
- Oh cool, I'm not the only one who thought so. I was thinking Eiji will use his right to cancel Crow. It's been going on for 6 years, after all, and is maybe 300+ chapters by now. Maybe he'll try to save it from being a Franchise Zombie?
- Confirmed in Chapter 135. He wants to end Crow on his own terms, at the height of its popularity.
- And wow, you were on the right track with Franchise Zombie, considering he starts Zombie Gun right after Crow
- The "Baku" in "Bakuman" can be read several ways, and one of them is as in "Bakuchi" in "gambler," which fits with Nobuhiro's saying that people who can live off manga are pros and the rest are gamblers.
- OP here. As of chapter 155, the first part is possibly true.
- Not quite. There's a fake translation of chapter 155 going around. The correct translation doesn't mention the word Bakuman at all.
- Most likely Jossed, another 25 episodes have been given the OK.
- Still, that seems most likely for the first season to leave off, potentially on the cliffhanger as Takagi picks up the phone for the news.
- The 50 people that he consults online.
- His editor, most likely for allowing him to do this.
- The rest of the editorial staff, for not accepting his vision.
- Ashirogi Muto.
- Confirmed spectacularly in chapter 124.
- He also isn't very good at keeping it a secret, since he tells Ashirogi Muto in the mistaken belief that they would approve, and they keep quiet only out of their desire to not snitch on him, with Takagi only telling Hattori after he reveals how much stress it's causing Kosugi (another person aware of the arrangement). I suspect that either Kosugi or one of the 50 people will eventually break the secret, leading to Nanamine's downfall.
- It looks like Nakai is going to be one of his assistants. Due to his previous experiences, I honestly have no idea how he'll react once he gets wind of Nanamine's true nature.
- He knows, and is horrified at the idea, as to him, manga is a work you create by struggling and combining your efforts with those of others. This makes quite a bit of sense, when you consider how much difficulty he's faced in getting serialized, but it leaves the question of what he will do now.
- Confirmed to an extent; some of the ex-contributors post chat logs online, but while the editors are outraged, they're not willing to cancel "What Is Required" over its low ranking or this method alone, and give it five weeks to turn itself around.
- However, if Kosugi did that, that would only affirm Nanamine's belief that editors only drag down a series. Nanamine must fuck up entirely on his own (or with his fifty online buddies) to show that his beliefs are wrong.
- Indeed, Kosugi is indeed trying to give good advice, but Nanamine's being a douche and refuses to listen.
- As of Chapter 122, he's lost at least two of his 50 people as a result of picking a fight with Ashirogi Muto, and considering that some of the remaining 48 think less of the two who depart, it's possible that internal conflict will force more out. He probably won't lose everyone (and may go out to recruit new help), but he notes that some of his sources are experienced editors, and while it's unclear whose input has more weight, it's possible that they may leave, and he will rely on the suggestions of the less experienced contributors.
- He outright lied to his group about the ranking of his story in the latest chapter, so that will definitely have consequences once the final edition comes out.
- Confirmed, he keeps saying that anyone who complains or disagrees with him should leave, so from 50 he's now down to something like 20.
- And now, thanks to Nakai revealing his deception, there's no one left. From the names of those who are left, it seems as though "Ta-1", the experienced editor, quit with the first 30 or stopped coming at some point.
- He outright lied to his group about the ranking of his story in the latest chapter, so that will definitely have consequences once the final edition comes out.
- Possible, considering how the minute details and backgrounds are said to have become more messy from chapter 3 of Nanamine's work.
- Jossed; Nakai appears to be concerned about keeping his assistant job and didn't expect that revealing the truth about the rankings would drive off the few who remained.
- Based on Chapter 124, I'd say that it probably won't even get that far.
- Original poster here. A couple of days ago, I reread the first volumes of Death Note and Bakuman。note , and it turns out that ten weeks is the absolute minimum for a series' cancellation. So I change my theory to the one immediately below...
- It's worth noting that the serialization meeting in which it would have been canceled was on the 24th, so it's unlikely it would have happened, anyway.
- Kosugi persuaded Ashirogi Muto to take him up on his challenge, although mainly as a way of completely and utterly defeating him to make him finally see the error of his ways, and Takagi seems pleased at the idea of being able to kick him around further.
- And this fails, perhaps even worse than before. Almost nobody who voted for PCP also voted for Nanamine's series. He knows he's finished at this point.
- He's also a Botfriend Blocking Dad from what little we hear about him, as he moved solely so that Miho would not have to face sexual harassment on the subway or leave before he did (the implications for his other daughter, Mina, are not explored), and didn't like the idea of her doing a picture book (although Mashiro didn't, either, and she herself really didn't want to). She seems to be mostly keeping her relationship secret from her family, so it's unclear how her father would react to Mashiro, but if the time comes to meet with him like Takagi did, he will likely have a difficult struggle ahead of him.
- There's only so much room in the magazine at one time. That's been driving a lot of the plot. I doubt it.
- You make it sound like the manga's following some enormous amount of mangaka. Off the top of my head, it's only following Ashirogi, Eiji, Iwase, Fukuda, Hiramaru, Aoki, Takahama, Shizuka, Shiratori and Nakai (if he even still counts). That's 9-10 mangaka, JUMP has space for 20. Most of them have styles that are completely different from each other as well, so it's not really much of a stretch.
- There's also a mangaka called Arai, who doesn't appear to have had any coverage yet, but whose works are mentioned from time to time.
- Real life manga appear to be running in Jump, too (Oda exists here, and given that One Piece is set to last for about 10 years, it'll probably still be running), although I'm not sure how many will be at the date at this point in the story, and there are a few other minor fictitious mangaka, such as Arai (whose series got canceled in the most recent meeting).
- Jossed in at least a few cases. Shiratori never follows up on Rabuta and Peace, although his suggestion that he's willing to try again, and has his family's support, concludes his character arc. Nakai has not gotten serialized. Aoki has her third cancellation, and doesn't get another manga going.
- You make it sound like the manga's following some enormous amount of mangaka. Off the top of my head, it's only following Ashirogi, Eiji, Iwase, Fukuda, Hiramaru, Aoki, Takahama, Shizuka, Shiratori and Nakai (if he even still counts). That's 9-10 mangaka, JUMP has space for 20. Most of them have styles that are completely different from each other as well, so it's not really much of a stretch.
- The closest this series has gotten to Breaking the Fourth Wall is making a couple references to Death Note. It's one heck of a meta series, but not in such an The Order of the Stick way.
- Fine. I still think it'll continue afterwards, just with the plot focused on beating Eiji.
- Josseed; The last chapter involves the proposal
- Jossed; after his last-ditch effort fails, Nanamine is seemingly willing to give up hope until his editor convinces him to try again.
- Jossed.
- Nanamine seems to have this confirmed, as Kosugi gets through to him and convinces him to change his ways. He has a few issues left on his serialization, but since people doing better than he has have gotten canceled, he'll most likely have to start over.
- Jossed harder than anything before on here. Not only has he gone even further with his ideals, learning from his mistakes only in the sense of what went wrong with his original scheme, he's borrowed enough money and resources to fund and build an entire goddamn company, with the only real purpose of defeating Ashirogi Muto. He's so far from his supposed repentance it's scary.
- As for Nakai, he was shown quickly Jumping Off the Slippery Slope towards his Moral Event Horizon after a paticularily nasty Yank the Dog's Chain moment, but he stopped himself right at the edge of hitting Aoki. This was followed by Hiramaru, of all people, hiring Nakai on as an assistant, letting him keep his dream alive.
- To be specific, Mashiro liked that Takagi could come up with an idea like that, not necessarily the idea itself (although Takagi brings this up when Mashiro asks him if he has "something better in mind"). Here's the dialogue from Chapter 6.Mashiro: You really are talented, Shujin. People normally don't think about so many details when they create a story! They start to think it's too stupid and ends up stopping! But unfolding that seemingly stupid story will- (cut off by Takagi expressing joy at being praised)
- Jossed; They come up with an entirely new idea called Reversi
- It's pointed out fairly early on that Classroom of Truth was done with the help of four other people, and they were the ones who came up with the ideas Takagi liked most.
- Jossed, at least so far. While it's possible that it will happen in the future, Reversi was written to be a short series.
- Will take place literary right after the premier of Reversi
- The guests will watch the premier on a provided large TV right before the ceremony
- Will be very small
- Will be a Continuity Cavalcade
- Will be traditional Japanese
- Will be western
- Is where Kaya will reveal she's pregnant
- Wont happen until Reversie has aired a few episodes
- Even in universe people notice he is strange and has problems. Although it does not really help that his editor likes playing with his soul to get him to write manga.
- Technically, it's Ma-shi-ro and Mi-ho (Iwase notices that the "A" in "A-shi-ro-gi Mu-to" is from Azuki's name), so the names wouldn't be very similar when written in Japanese.
- Jossed, at least for now. Hiramaru's series didn't get serialized in the last meeting, while Aoki's and Nanamine's did.
- But later confirmed at the next serialization meeting.
- Aoki won first place with her romance oneshot, defeating even Eiji. It's also a nice reversal of her fortunes, as she had been less able to write a romance for Jump without including a lot of fanservice.
- Aoki again, her new series, "The Gift That God Gave" having it's first two chapters taking first in both the early and real deal results.
- Jossed; in Chapter 116, Mashiro checks the name, Toru Nanamine, and finds out that it's a boy who regularly sent fan letters for Detective Trap. Nanamine then appears in the next chapter.
- Potentially going to be jossed, since the characters are gradually moving toward a "morally ambiguous" type of manga. Bakuman doesn't seem unusual enough to be a Takagi-style story.
Plus this troper would think of this as an interesting and awesome plot development.
- Well, there's no evidence of it since that time (current chapter is 158), and her disease turned to be a bad case of cold or something, so... Keep your hopes up to later chapters, troper.
- Enough time has passed since then to disprove her being pregnant.
- I know I'm the last person with a right to point errors, with my terrible grammar, but that "give him some him to enjoy himself a little" has totally made my day.
- Jossed.
- I know I'm the last person with a right to point errors, with my terrible grammar, but that "give him some him to enjoy himself a little" has totally made my day.
- Interestingly, their talents are sort of opposite. Trout produced commercially unsuccessful, badly written short stories brought up only by their penetrating insights of human nature and society - almost all of which were published in pornographic magazines. Eiji, on the other hand, is a wildly successful mangaka who uses his mastery of sequential art to draw exhilarating, but completely shallow battle manga.
- This can be explained by Trout's disillusionment with society. Committing suicide (at one point, Vonnegut kept changing his mind) in the early 90's, around the time Eiji would have been born, Trout would have not reacted well to life beyond death, and choose to spend the next life as the what he couldn't have been in the previous... a wildly successful manchild.
- Also, both have been on the record to have attracted beautiful young women, despite showing no interest or compliance to any social norms (in a creepy way). However, Iwase does seem to fall for any guy who praises her at all, so the validity is questionable...