Moments that evoked Villain Has a Point in Fan Works.
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- Code Prime:
- While Megatron is definitely manipulating him for his own ends, he's not wrong when he tells Suzaku that most conflicts aren't black and white. This is undermined by the fact that the conflict between the Autobots and Decepticons IS one with clear cut heroes and villains, however.
- Starscream leans into this a fair number of times in the first part of the series, though whether it is Jerkass Has a Point or this trope depends on who he is talking to. The former usually relates to issues with the Decepticons, while for the latter, he dresses down Suzaku on his inability to follow orders and Britannia's issues with teamwork. The latter problem also delves into Hypocrite Has a Point, as while Starscream literally named the trope for backstabbing, he's sensible enough in this story to avoid doing so when it will compromise the Decepticons as a whole, something Britannia never seems to get.
- Fairy May Cry:
- During her 'fight' against Vergil, Lucy grows increasingly enraged as he cuts down more of her Celestial Spirits. In response he points out that she is the one sending them against a clearly superior opponent, and that if she doesn't want them to get hurt she should grow stronger herself.
- Nelo Angelo is a demon without a shred of mercy, but his criticisms of his then allies are spot on, repeatedly warning them against Underestimating Badassery, especially when it comes to the Earthland members of Fairy Tail. Hell, they even dismiss Dante as little threat, something that comes back to bite them later.
- Fallout: Equestria: Red Eye is a Well-Intentioned Extremist who believes Utopia Justifies the Means and no one race is better than any other; they all need to work together for the sake of the future. Nearly everything he says makes absolutely perfect sense, and Littlepip has a hard time arguing with him. Even the fact that he's employing slavers and horrible raiders seems justified by the fact that it's working; he is creating a strong industrial and cultural base, and his empire is the Wasteland's best hope for the future. And he promises that Littlepip should be able to get rid of the slavery once she takes over from him. Ultimately, Littlepip's final argument against him is that he treats every single person in the Wasteland as a child who needs to be led around by the nose. People will never improve if he doesn't give them a chance to improve.Littlepip: We've done what we can... and now it's time for Daddy Red Eye and Mommy Littlepip to get the fuck out of their way.
- Inky Future: Orion finds himself admitting in Chapter 12 that Tartar's remarks about the Inkling lifestyle (being hedonistic and lazy) and Octarian grudges about the Great Turf War were true to some degree, though he also mentally notes that this doesn't really undercut the fact that Tartar's solution to both issues was outright genocide.
- Justice League of the Rebellion: During a televised debate between Schneizel and Superman/Rivalz, Schneizel admits that the Justice League are genuine in wanting to topple Britannia and not wanting to take power for themselves. However, he then points out that they are stronger than any human or Knightmare, and if they have children and pass on their powers, their descendants will be unmatched against ordinary humans, eventually dominating them through being the strongest, the same policy that Britannia practices. Even Batman/Lelouch couldn't find a counterpoint to his claim.
- Later on, when Mister Miracle attempts to kill Charles for abandoning Lelouch and Nunnally in Japan and to keep Lelouch from being consumed by vengeance, Charles states that no matter how much Scott and Barda do to protect Lelouch and Nunnally, they, as immortals, will have to watch their children die of old age. All it does is push Scott's Berserk Button further.
- In the Jackie Chan Adventures and W.I.T.C.H. crossover fanfic Kage (part of Project Dark Jade), Nerissa seethes at Himerish for not stepping in and stopping Phobos himself when the tyrant came to power (though Word of God has hinted that his reasoning will be explored later, it's hard not to see that she makes more than a little sense).
- A Man Like No Other: In the sequel, Falling Hope, Rising Threat, Loki comments that if he'd been allowed to conquer Earth, he wouldn't have allowed it to fall into nuclear war.
- In Mischief, Stain points out that Gorr's plan to kill Odin contridicts itself. Gorr claims that the gods are completely uncaring, and yet he intends to target Odin's grandchildren in order to lure him into a trap. Gorr sits in silence before finally declaring it doesn't matter.
- Metal Gear: Green:
- When sneaking into the old school Los Hermanos are using as a FOB, several members are watching the announcement of I-Island by David Shield. One of them rightly points out that the idea of a floating city that anyone can take hostage is a bad idea waiting to happen. All someone has to do is put a well-placed bomb, and it's sinking to the bottom of the ocean.Los Hermanos Thug: Heh, a floating island. What kind of bullshit idea is that?
Los Hermanos Thug 2: Bullshit? Man are we even seeing the same thing, that is the city of the future!
Los Hermanos Thug: City of the future my ass. One well-placed bomb on that thing and it’s sinking to the bottom of the ocean.
Los Hermanos Thug 2: Well… I mean…
Los Hermanos Thug: And second, how the hell are they going to make sure that thing handles the waves of the fucking ocean. I mean have they seen the Pacific!
Los Hermanos Thug 2: Since when were you an engineering major?
Los Hermanos Thug: Since never! This is just basic common sense, they keep going on about villains, and then they announce the most vulnerable city concept known to man. I can’t think of anyone more excited about the idea of an entire city you can hold hostage, by threatening to ram it aground. I swear it’s like they want it to get taken over. - When telling the warlords that they are getting all the weapons and equipment in exchange for destroying Outer Heaven, Luan Igwe, the warlord of South Africa, points out that the HPSC wants them to go up against Big Boss. AKA, the guy who fucking axed the Congo Tyrant. Most warlords become aware that Luan is right, especially since it would be a suicide mission. However, Madam President tells them it's either that, or face the inevitable destruction that the MSF will bring upon them.
- When sneaking into the old school Los Hermanos are using as a FOB, several members are watching the announcement of I-Island by David Shield. One of them rightly points out that the idea of a floating city that anyone can take hostage is a bad idea waiting to happen. All someone has to do is put a well-placed bomb, and it's sinking to the bottom of the ocean.
- Mœbius has Kyubey tell Mami to avoid the Shinigami, citing the example of the Quincy genocide as to why they and Magical Girls shouldn't interact. Kyubey is doing this for his own ends, wanting to avoid having things interfered with and to keep Mami and other magical girls isolated, but the fact that the Shinigami have tried to wipe out entire groups of people is not something that Mami is able to ignore. Even after a wish ends up removing the reason for the Quincy genocide, thus preventing it from happening and leaving only a few, including Mami, with the memory of it, Mami always keeps this in the back of her mind when dealing with Soul Society.
- The Night Unfurls: Prime Minister Beasley is appalled of Kyril siding with the Seven Shields, seeing them as "weak-willed women". He may be a Dirty Old Man with a Villainous Crush who sides with an Army of Thieves and Whores who Rape, Pillage, and Burn, but he is not wrong about how a couple members of the Seven Shields are "weak-willed".
- Alicia chooses to surrender the fortress she is supposed to defend, in exchange for a number of hostage nuns to be returned to her custody, who are raped anyway upon her surrender. What's worse is that an easy takeover happens despite Alicia being a seasoned commander and the fortress being supposedly well-fortified, which shows that Alicia is weak-willed at best, and incompetent at worst. Compounding this is that the invading Black Dog Mercenaries are infamous in-universe for not honoring treaties or sparing female hostages and have been so for in-universe years, so Alicia has absolutely no basis for trusting their word.
- Despite Celestine's benevolent rule of Eostia, she did engage in warfare with her dark elf counterpart Olga for centuries, which is contradictory to the more rational notion of how wars ought to be brought to a conclusion as quickly as possible. Furthermore, the persistence of several problems (slavery, dark elf trafficking, as well as human-dark-elf Fantastic Racism) indicates that her measures/policies to deal with them lack effectiveness (hence the "weak-willed" part). For this reason, several characters resolve to double down on their efforts in tackling these problems.
- The Nobody of Ever After High: Upon learning that the older Snow White has been targeting Roxas and trying to drive him away from Ever After High, the Evil Queen herself calls her out on her selfish motives:Evil Queen: He was helping all these students see that there was more to life than following a story and it terrified you because you knew that if everyone could get their own happily ever after, yours wouldn't be as special anymore. You weren't doing it for the good of this world, you did it for yourself.
- No one Escapes...Redemption?: Herman brutally rips into Charlie, pointing out that everyone in Hell wound up there in the first place because they are practically defined by their vices and Fatal Flaws. She can't expect them to give those up willingly, without any resistance; she has to be willing to put her foot down... and if she can't even manage that with the handful of residents who are willing to work with her, how can she expect to help anyone?
- Percy Jackson: Spirits: As Raava notes, thinking that she might appreciate him if he wasn't so steeped in darkness, Unalaq has a point about the people of the Southern Water Tribe abandoning their spiritual traditions, which were developed to help limit Vaatu's influence at the height of his power, siphoning off any energy that slipped through the cracks.
- A Shadow of the Titans:
- Tarakudo makes several to Jade when communicating with her during her time in Gotham.
- Jade is forced to admit that she has become rather used to some of the changes she's gone through, like her new Extreme Omnivore diet, but this only makes her more motivated to find a way to stop Kagehime's plan.
- In Just A Note
, Klavier confronts the killer in "Turnabout Serenade" who killed an Interpol agent while trying to smuggle a Borginian cocoon into the U.S. so he could sell it in order to cure the Chief Justice's son. The killer points out that if Borginia is so worried about people exporting the cocoons that they'd impose the death penalty on smugglers, then they should instead export the cures, as well as how it's possible to make deadly poisons with household chemicals. The killer blames the victim's interference for the Chief Justice's son succumbing to his disease, and asks why the Chief Justice was unable to use any of the alternative solutions he supposedly had. Klavier reluctantly admits the killer has a point, but insists that nothing justifies him committing murder.
- What It Takes:
- Quentin points out that both Slade and Ra's attacked the city due to their personal vendettas against Oliver. He also notes that if Moira had turned in evidence against Malcolm years ago, the Undertaking could have been prevented.
- The Big Bad Darhk rightly calls the police inept, as they're more focused on capturing Laurel than dealing with actual criminals.
- Dominoes: While Kaito proves to be a Manipulative Bastard, his various criticisms of ISHA's justice system prove accurate — it's a super-powered police state that strives to sweep the evidence of their more questionable actions under the rug.
- Forgotten:
- Xenon is bent on murdering Mina Hakuba since her living prevents Dracula from going Omnicidal Maniac again. When Soma opposes him, Xenon points she will die anyway, be it at his hand or in an accident, and Soma won't be able to deal with it — Matthias Cronqvist did turn himself in a vampire after losing his wife to pestilence after all. Alucard concedes the mad cultist raised a pretty good argument and urges Mina to teach her lover how to cope without using her as a Living Emotional Crutch.
- An inquisitor wants for Lisa to doom twelve people to be burned at the stake in her stead, calling her foolish for refusing to do so. He explicitly spells to her that her very powerful vampire husband will outright ravage Wallachia with legions of monsters if she dies, and as proven by canon, he was perfectly on the bat.
- Never Say Never: Monokuma points out that none of Kiyotaka's plans to unite the group will work when some of their number, like Byakuya, simply refuse to cooperate.
- Danny Phantom: Stranded: Penelope Spectra is a vain and selfish ghost who uses her skills as a psychologist to break kids emotionally to feed on their misery. However, during her fight with the hero’s, she points out that Valerie Grey isn't as heroic as she thinks she is. While confronting her, Valerie insists that she is a good guy who hasn't done anything wrong, but Spectra tears her apart verbally when she correctly points out her past misdeeds such as her mistreatment of Danny in both identities, her petty feud with him, and how she had sold out Danielle to Vlad.
- While Valerie tries defending herself and insists that Vlad had tricked her, Spectra points out that torturing Danny and what she did to Danielle was inexcusable. Valerie tries to say that she didn't know that Dani was half-human, but Spectra fires back by saying that ghost or not, it was not right to do such a thing to a child, regardless of what race they are, and it is hardly heroic at all, which even Tucker agrees with Spectra.
- Valerie does feel guilty about this, but things get worse as Spectra continues to point out her flaws as past actions, such as her mistreatment of Danny's human form and how she put all the work of their project on him, using her job as an excuse to justify it.
- Spectra points out that work hours for teens are not that much and that she COULD have done more work, but she just put all the work on Danny simply because she looks down on him and wanted someone to boss around.
- She also points out how pointless and petty her grudge against his ghost form was, how she refused to see all the good he's done or listen to him when he said it was just an accident and he tried to apologize to her.
- Spectra even tears her apart when she claims that Valerie didn't believe or care if Danny was evil or not, claiming that she was just using that as an excuse because she wanted someone to lash out at and take her frustrations out on. In her own words, despite no longer being a rich A-Lister, Valerie was STILL a Spoiled Brat and bully who just wanted another target to torment and feel special while doing it.
- Valerie is horrified to hear this, and given that she received a similar accusation from Star in the past, she nearly breaks down emotionally out of guilt and shame for her past actions. However, Star and the rest of Team Phantom restore her self-worth and self-image by pointing out that while she had done bad things in the past, she learned the error of her ways and grew as a person. She has changed and sincerely has put others before herself.
- Facing the Future Series: During Laws of Attraction, Danny reluctantly admits that not all of Walker's prisoners are innocent victims; some of them actually deserve to be locked up.
- In Lady Luck's Favor, Danny Phantom agrees that Vlad Masters is right to hate Jack, who caused an incident that left Vlad in the hospital for years and stole the girl Vlad was interested in at the same time. Even roughly twenty years later, Jack is a rude, inconsiderate, and reckless idiot who does what he wants without regard for how it makes others miserable. However, Danny still refuses to let Vlad kill his father.
- Dragon Ball Z Primal: Cooler observes how the majority of Earth's inhabitants are completely ignorant about the existence of the Z-Fighters and their capabilities, as well as the fact that there are other lifeforms beyond their Insignificant Little Blue Planet. He declares this to have been a massive waste of their potential, noting that if they were aware of what humans were capable of, they would have been better prepared to deal with his invasion. Gohan finds himself unable to fully counter his points.
- Ducktales Rewritten: During "GlomTales!", when Louie insists that his mother loves him, Merlock lists off all of the extreme measures she used for his grounding, which went further than she had in the original series. This included slapping him, treating him as though he wasn't part of her family, and stripping away all his weapons, means of communication, and the friendship bracelet Lena had given him. At the end of his list, Louie can only gloomily note that she doesn't seem to care for him at all.
- The Steep Path Ahead: Mott's men complain about Louise and Saito repeatedly pulling an I Surrender, Suckers on them, violating the terms of surrender. This leads to word spreading about the pair being untrustworthy, advising that others kill them on sight rather than offering them the chance to surrender and breaking the terms again.
- The Third Faction: Shakespeare brings Shirou's conflict of achieving his dream of becoming a Hero of Justice to the forefront and attacks it head-on with his Noble Phantasm. He examines and takes apart Shirou's life with many points to make him Amakusa's perfect foe. A number of which Shirou denies but others he struggles to argue against. But it's this observation that perfectly sums up Shirou's mindset.Shakespeare: Incapable of moderation, he cannot be a sword unless he gives up being a man, and he cannot be a man without giving up his devotion.
- A Brighter Dark has this with Garon, who has become entirely unapologetic after making one Sadistic Choice after another. Xander notes that his merciless strategies have given Nohr more victories than any of their previous kings.
- Dumbledore gains no cookie points for trying to convince Cora to give her baby away then knocking her and wiping all her memories about her pregnancy when she refuses in Dark Dynasty. He shows Manipulative Bastard qualities by controlling Harry's life, wanting to create a powerful saviour and being persuaded Harry needs to be kept on the good way because his dark heritage would lead him to become a monster otherwise. Nonetheless, you can't help but agree with him when he declares Cora an unfit mother and the Dark One even worse at being a good parent. Just look at Regina and Baelfire.
- For Love of Magic: Bjomolf attempts to set up the breaking of The Masquerade that separates the Magical and Muggle worlds due to all his evidence suggesting that civilization is about to collapse. His plan is meant to protect his food supply and potentially save thousands of lives. While reviewing his notes, Harry and the others admit that Bjomolf seems to be right.
- In The Rigel Black Chronicles, Harry has repeatedly fended off Tom Riddle's attempts to endanger the students of Hogwarts in a way that would discredit Dumbledore and would thus open the door to Riddle's anti-miscegenation laws. When they have a private conversation, though, and Riddle insists that those laws are vital, she puts the pieces together and realises that he's trying to halt the looming population implosion caused by inbreeding, by encouraging pure-bloods to marry half-bloods. He really is prejudiced against muggle-borns and muggle influences, but he's also trying to save the Wizarding world.What if he's right and wrong?
- One fanfic explains Voldemort's reasoning as to why there's no such thing as a Fate Worse than Death. His logic is basically, so long as you're still alive, there's hope that things will get better. "The poor may become rich, the crippled might miraculously heal, the insane could claw their way back to sanity."
- Sadistic Tendencies: When Millie confronts Striker over his attempt to seduce her husband, he defends himself by declaring he'd thought their marriage was on the rocks, given how she lets her parents constantly badger and belittle Moxxie without ever saying a word in his defense. Something that Moxxie himself had previously admitted bothered him.
- A Thing of Vikings: Maniakes isn't wrong when he says that Michael is unqualified to be emperor, and that the empire needs someone competent to rule over it.Maniakes: He's nothing more than a petulant child, and I know that he'll turn on me and anyone that shows competence, just like he did Harald! He'll drag the Empire down with him! Our only chance to preserve the empire is to cut him down cleanly now, and put the power of the Empire in the hands of someone who knows what he's doing.
- The Ultimate Evil:
- When Valerie ends up by mistake in Shendu's solitary cell in Hollowland's penitentiary, he convinces her to stay with him by reasoning that she has a better chance of leaving the prison unharmed by remaining with him (the demon who wants her to willingly return his affections and whom she already knows) rather than trying to venture in the main cell block amongst inmates that have not only murderers and rapists among them, but some of them might want to hurt her as revenge against her late police father for helping capture them.
- When Valerie tries to furiously deny that she feels anything towards Shendu, he makes her falter by saying that if that were true, she wouldn't have saved him from drowning in Embarcadero Station by pulling an Underwater Kiss on him.
- When Valerie and Shendu are forced to work together in order to find Shendu's mother Tiamat in the sequel, he says that honesty isn't Valerie's strongest point. When she retaliates by bringing up his known untrustworthiness, he retorts that he latches onto her so hard because she keeps pushing him away despite his gestures of affection. This makes her realize that neither of them truly trust each other even though they're now bonded as Others, just as the Guardian of the Book of Ages observed only moments ago.
- A Crooked Man has Norman Osborn point out to Johann that he's considered to be an asset to the U.S., operating as a government-sanctioned supervillain. He warns Johann that if he takes out Osborn, that will give the U.S. government an excuse to encourage further anti-mutant sentiment and start rolling out the Sentinels.
- CONSEQUENCES: In SINS OF THE PAST, Ladybug agrees with Inquisitor that Lila needs to face justice for her crimes, but slowly torturing her to death on live television isn't the correct way to go about it. Inquisitor retorts that Lila far worse than the heroine realizes, as she attempted to drive him to suicide — and he's far from her first victim. As he forces her to confess the extent of her villainy, including admitting that she's willingly worked with Hawkmoth, Ladybug is visibly shaken, but ultimately insists on stopping Inquistitor from following his plans all the way through.
- Jerk in Sheep's Clothing: Part of what makes Henri so dangerous is that he typically doesn't need to lie in order to get what he wants, instead pointing out problems and using them to his advantage.
- He points out to Alya that the best way to accommodate Lila would have been to move somebody who sat in the front row to the back. Somebody like Nino, or Adrien. Yet they chose to move Marinette instead, somebody who didn't sit in the front and wasn't present for the conversation where that was decided for her.
- During a confrontation with Adrien, he points out that part of the reason he's been able to charm Marinette into trusting him so easily is because of how the rest of the class isolated her.
- Juleka vs. the Forces of the Universe twists this around when Hawkmoth akumatizing an angry Ladynoir supporter into Shipper. Chat Noir agrees with their insistence that he and Ladybug are destined to be together, and so sits out of the fight entirely, refusing to lift a finger to help his partner while sneering about how she's the only one who doesn't see how they're obviously meant to be a couple. Juleka is disgusted to see several other onlookers nodding along in agreement, and snaps at a man who remarks on the wonderful team they make. Said man happens to be Master Fu, who's shaken by her rebuttal.
- The Karma of Lies: Lila may be a Consummate Liar and Con Artist, but she also has solid reads on people:
- She picks up on the fact that the majority of her classmates are Secretly Selfish, taking Marinette's efforts to help them out completely for granted. She exploits this by presenting herself as an even better version of Marinette, with famous connections that are Too Good to Be True. As a result, they all flock to her side, eagerly courting her favor in hopes of earning even bigger breaks for themselves.
- She recognizes that Adrien is a lot more self-absorbed than he seems. While aware of her true nature, he refuses to expose her because it might inconvience him, caring more about preserving his 'perfect' image than about protecting his friends from her scheming.
- In Another Form of Power, Izuku's new alias Imoku helps create a bill that requires all prospective heroes to undergo a psych evaluation, including those currently in training. When it's discovered that a full half of all hero students failed the evaluation, along with a third of the incoming students, many politicians want to scrap the evaluation entirely. However, Imoku rightfully points out that it won't solve any of their problems, citing that Endeavor killed ten people while apprehending a villain wanted for killing twenty. Clearly, the status quo cannot be maintained.
- Apotheosis offers an Anti-Villain/Villain Protagonist variant. Midoriya, a well-known villain, manages to convince several high-ranking politicians (including the Prime Minister) to see the many, many faults in the Hero system (Endeavor's Domestic Abuse being one of them). His argument is so successful that they go along with Midoriya's idea of a Hero Regulation Department, with Midoriya himself in charge, of course.
- In Conversations with a Cryptid, All for One may be a criminal mastermind aiming for the destruction of Hero-based society, but he's very perceptive and made many good points in that Toshinori is a bad teacher and his passing down One for All to Izuku has been detrimental to his health. All for One isn't wrong when he points out that Hero society in Japan discriminates against people with stereotypically "villainous" Quirks and that U.A. is effectively "a military academy disguised as a high school." And he's definitely not wrong when he points out that Bakugou's Freudian Excuse doesn't excuses his unpunished decade-long abuse of Izuku.
- Crimson and Emerald: To Hawks' deep annoyance, the corruption of the Heroics Commission effectively prove Stain and Shigaraki's criticisms correct.
- Dekugate: Averted and Played for Drama, as the members of the titular community are filled with Irrational Hatred for Izuku, despising him for the crime of existing. Unfortunately, Izuku fears that some of their criticisms might be valid, causing him no end of anguish as he desperately tries to appease people who will only be satisfied by his death.
- Hero Class Civil Warfare: Intersection has Kingpin note near the end that "The worst villains are the ones who believe themselves to be the heroes of the story, because often they have a point."
- Mastermind: Rise of Anarchy: When the League of Villains targets Aldera Middle School, they make a point of not harming any of the students, focusing entirely upon the staff and calling them out for how they fostered a culture of bullying. Afterwards, Tiger is disgusted by the destruction, but acknowledges to himself how much harm the school had done.
- The Reason why the Second Meta-Liberation War is going to be Weird: The MLA raises several salient points about how restrictive Quirk laws are, noting that it's almost impossible to obtain a license to use your Quirk unless you're a Pro Hero. Izuku himself agrees that the laws need to be massively overhauled; while Quirkless himself, he still recognizes how the current laws are doing far more harm than good.
- In The Villain's Hero, Fuyumi and Tensei become vigilantes; one of their reasons for doing so is so they can use lethal force against their targets. Tensei notes that Pro Heroes are barred from using lethal weaponry even as villains are increasingly employing such tactics.
- Yesterday Upon The Stair: All for One points out that All Might didn't see potential in Midoriya as a hero so much as a potential vessel for One for All, claiming he couldn't achieve his dreams without a Quirk. He also correctly guesses that Toshinori didn't warn Izuku about the burden One for All placed upon its carriers, or warn him about the generations-long battle with the supervillain.
My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic
- Castling Cozy Glow:
- Sweetie Belle concedes that Cozy Glow isn't wrong about friendship being a form of power per se, but tells her there's still a lot more to it she's not getting.
- When questioned on her continued hostility and fear of Twilight, even after she affirms she sincerely wants to help her, Cozy points out her past punishments as reasons not to assume the princess wouldn't do something horrible to her. Considering Princess Twilight was willing to leave her in her stone prison indefinitely until directly confronted about it and initially threatened to return Cozy to it if she stepped out of line, it's hard to argue with her on that point.
- In the sequel, "The Once and Future Princess" Cozy Glow tells Twilight that she can't force her and Flurry Heart to become friends if she doesn't want to. Twilight, while disappointed and annoyed by Cozy's attitude, admits that it is true that she can not force friendship with somepony on ponies that don't want to be friends with them.
- Her Inner Demons: Midnight Sparkle may have been a destructive lunatic, but she was right that no one at Crystal Prep gave Sci-Twi an ounce of respect or appreciation. In fact, she was largely born from Sci-Twi's feelings of resentment. Mentioning this simple fact is what allowed her to manipulate Sci-Twi. When Sci-Twi expresses remorse to her ex-classmates, they acknowledge their role in making her miserable and tell her she has nothing to be ashamed of.
- Loved and Lost, an extended retelling of the second season finale, takes a closer inspection of the point which Queen Chrysalis touches only briefly in canon:
- "Holy King Jewelius I" and his underlings repeatedly remind the heroes whose reputations he has tarnished (Princess Celestia, Shining Armor, the Mane Five, and Spike) that if they had given Twilight the benefit of the doubt concerning the false Cadance instead of shunning her and having their heads entirely in their wedding plans, they could have stopped Chrysalis and thwarted the Changeling invasion (which had severe consequences for Canterlot's ponies) before it began. Jewelius and Commander Hildread also scold them for behaving this singlemindedly when there was a looming threat of unknown attackers in the air, and they didn't bother to postpone the wedding and deal with the threat first. Though it's revealed that Jewelius aided Chrysalis in infiltrating the city and betrayed her to take the throne for himself, the ashamed heroes acknowledge the validity of the villains' criticisms. When they regain their social standing in the epilogue, they publicly apologize for their screw-ups.
- When the imprisoned Mane Five ask from Jewelius how he was able to sway Twilight to his side, he responds by saying that in comparison to them, he put more effort in acting like he actually considered Twilight's worries instead of quickly putting them down to jealousy/overreaction. It also helped that he tried to settle the confrontation at the rehearsal peacefully by suggesting that Twilight's outburst was only a case of a big misunderstanding, only for Celestia to shush him immediately.
- In the Pony POV Series, Nightmare Eclipse/Paradox points out that Discord is responsible for so much misery (something she knows first hoof, being a potential future version of Dark World!Twilight) that he deserves an And I Must Scream fate which she gave him. While she's undoubtedly a monster, it's hard to argue with the point. The problem is her method ended up being worse than Discord's own crimes and Discord has long since had a Heel Realization.
- In Princess Trixie Sparkle, the villain and Celestia and Luna's long lost older sister Astelle is mostly motivated by slights that are, for the most part, fabricated by her own anger and resentment. But she does raise a good point about Celestia keeping all information about her a secret from everyone, especially Luna, who had every right to know about her.
- Despite how Celestia and Luna rule Equestria together, The Rise of Darth Vulcan shows that even after she has been forgiven for her actions as Nightmare Moon one-thousand years ago, the underlying issues regarding Lunas' feelings that resulted in the creation of Nightmare Moon haven't been addressed at all; and that during the course of Darth Vulcans' interrogation, he was able to cause Luna to undergo an emotional breakdown by stating the simple truth. It eventually serves as a catalyst in Luna breaking contact with Celestia, no longer believing anything that she says, or willing to go along with any of her plans to try dealing with Vulcan.Darth Vulcan: (To Princess Luna) Rule with her? You can't even match her. You tried to stand up for yourself and she spanked your fanny and sent you to your room, and only let you back out when you promised to be a good little filly and obey her. The only reason you're a princess at all is with her permission. And she could take that away any time she wanted. (gestures to the prison cell) Look at this place. Hell, she built Canterlot while you were gone. It's ALL hers! This is HER castle, HER kingdom, and it has been for a thousand years! You're just the unemployed kid sister she lets sleep on the sofa... Thousand years, and nuthin's changed, hazzit?
Darth Vulcan: (To Princess Celestia) All imprisoning her in the moon did was make things worse. You threw her in a dungeon for a thousand years, till nobody even remembered she existed, and told monster stories about her to little children. Now she's back, she's even further behind you than she was before, and because you're both freaking immortal, that's how it's going to stay, forever. And she knows it. And because you beat her when she rebelled against you, she knows she can never be free of you. That's just how it is. - A Tale of Two Suns: Circanus is a snobbish and corrupt official who is eager to rip Sunset away from her life at Canterlot for petty vengeance. However, the Rainbooms admit she isn't wrong to say that Sunset's life has been less than perfect and they haven't been perfect friends.
- Tarnished Diamonds has Diamond Tiara, who's trying to change her ways after a Jerkass Realization, snap and call out Twist, Shady Daze and Truffle for not wanting to partner with her. Of the three, only Truffle didn't deserve to be called out, as Diamond Tiara just kicks the dog by insulting her weight; she has more legitimate criticisms of the other two. In particular, she calls out Twist for being a Fair-Weather Friend who'd happily attended Diamond Tiara's parties despite how that meant turning her back on Apple Bloom, her former bestie.
- Twilight Then, Twilight Now Universe combines this with Both Sides Have a Point when it comes to Applejack attempting to Set Right What Once Went Wrong:
- On one hand, Applejack isn't entirely wrong about how much the world has degraded since the Golden Era, turning a somewhat Crapsaccharine World into a full-fledged Crapsack World filled with intolerance, inequality, religious strife and other nightmarish aspects.
- Even if one views them as a justified Well-Intentioned Extremist, however, the New Six point out that this would completely wipe them and countless others out of existence, asserting that they still have a right to exist even if they aren't as ideal as their forebearers.
- Son of the Sannin:
- Regardless of how much Jiraiya hates Danzo, he's not wrong when he says that Akatsuki will come to attack Konoha sooner than later to get their jinchuriki, and that war with them seems inevitable at that stage.
- During the Akatsuki Invasion arc, Kakashi confronts Obito, who tells him point-blank that while Minato was a great ninja, he failed them as a teacher and protector. In the aftermath, Kakashi talks to Rin about this, and reluctantly has to admit that Minato leaving them to do dangerous missions on their own when they were still inexperienced, as well as leaving the psychological and sentimental issues that both Kakashi and Obito had with themselves and each other unaddressed, might have been the major factor that caused their team to fall apart.
- Three's A Crowd: Shimura Danzo only cares about molding Sasuke into a "loyal soldier and servant of Konoha" in order to further his own schemes. Yet he rightly criticizes Kakashi's failure to make any progress in turning Team Seven into an actual team, as Kakashi has been utterly failing as a teacher in every respect, letting Sasuke and Uo's bratty and selfish behavior go unchallenged while expecting Sakura to serve as The Heart and pull them together... despite being able to see just how little the boys respect her. And doing nothing to address that beyond making it worse by taunting them for being outperformed by a girl.
- Yet again, with a little extra help: When Pain makes his speech, several witnesses admit that he's raising some good points about the problems inherit to the shinobi system. However, they also note that he's taking the opposite extreme, focusing solely upon the negatives without acknowledging any of the necessities or positive aspects.
- In This Bites!, Jeremiah Cross is a staunch enemy of the thoroughly corrupt World Government and does everything in his power to expose that corruption and undermine their rule. But there is one practice of theirs he thoroughly supports, enough to keep their secret on that matter; the hidden Level Six of Impel Down, the Eternal Hell. As Cross admits, as much as he hates the World Government, he fully agrees that there are some truly evil people in the world who deserve to be left to rot and be forgotten by the masses, which is exactly their fate in Level Six.
- In Common Sense, once the leader of the Squirtle Squad encounters Team Rocket again, wanting revenge for them taking his team, Meowth points out that while they did the deed, he was the one that led them into their camp. He's not necessarily wrong. If the Squirtle Squad had fled, laid low, and stayed hidden, then Team Rocket likely would've moved on, either to chase Pikachu or arrive at Vermillion City to prepare the St. Anne operation.Meowth: Face it, kingpin; ya crossed da wrong team an' your own paid da price.
- Chapter 26 of Pokémon Reset Bloodlines has a scathing Villain vs. Villain example, with this "The Reason You Suck" Speech Sabrina gives Dario:Sabrina: The world is being filled with the inadequate, the dull, and the lazy. Even as the remarkable do prove themselves, your kind crowds them out. No one can see the good artists from the average, the excellent cooks from the boring, the remarkable artist from the one who simply copies... I have felt their frustrations as sure as I have felt them myself. You are a prime example of what your kind does to the truly talented Dario. You had no remarkable skill at anything, you're driven on to produce inferior results, where better talented people could have easily been obtained if you weren't given your cushion of family blood. You couldn't even bother trying to fix yourself; you instead looked at actual talent around you, like Lara Laramie, and tried to bring her down to your level with trickery and sabotage. In trying to make yourself, a waste of space with no talent, look good, you made so many with actual skill and brains look bad. You cost them business, reputation, self-esteem, and caused actual injuries to themselves and the Pokémon they put more time into than you ever did yours. Yet, you can't even manage that, you failed and made yourself so exposed that no one will be surprised when they find your dead body in the water tomorrow. You were so pathetic you reacted the same in two timelines.
- In Power Rangers GPX, Big Bad elf Commander Ragnar points out how Humans Are Bastards on a regular basis, something the usually Shut Up, Hannibal!-spouting Rangers can't seem to respond to. On the other hand, they're more than determined to prove him wrong by making peace with the elves, while still fighting to stop him.
- Those Who Hurt You The Most: Noah points out to Dion that he hardly acted like any kind of brother to Raz, especially given how he drove Raz away in the first place, leading to his kidnapping.
- Rosario Vampire: Brightest Darkness Act IV: Both Falla and Hokuto point out to the others that Yokai Academy's teachings on peace are more about simply hiding in fear from the humans than actually co-existing with them. Despite both being Ax-Crazy Sadists, and in Hokuto's case, a Straw Nihilist who seeks to wipe out all life on Earth, they make a valid point, especially since at one point, Ms. Nekonome herself mentions that any humans who enter the monster world will be Killed to Uphold the Masquerade, and monsters must hide their true forms when among the humans or be killed themselves.
- Black Out The Sky: Adam responds to Yang repeatedly calling him a monster by pointing out that humanity previously ruled the world with the same amount of severity he's displayed. He declares that the only way for the Faunus to fully escape the oppression they'd been saddled with under humanity's rule was to Take Over the World, and Yang finds it difficult to counter his claims.
- Null:
- Cinder notes that the biggest difference between heroes and villains is whether or not they have the right people backing them. At the time she's saying this, Team RW_Y and Penny is getting away with the exact same crimes that Jaune is being blamed and vilified for — namely how they murdered his mother.
- While Ozpin goes flying off the deep end when he kidnaps Amber and attempts to kill Jaune to cover it up, it's hard to deny that his plan has merit when it's already succeeded - the Fall Maiden's powers are completely destroyed, frustrating Salem's own plans.
- A Rabbit Among Wolves: Jaune unwittingly finds himself in control of a White Fang branch after accidentally killing Adam Taurus. While he's trying to reform the organization, he starts to acknowledge that the White Fang do have legitimate reasons for being angry.
- Adam Taurus was a violent terrorist and an abusive employer. His ghost points out that most humans don't do anything to actually stop discrimination against faunus, because they live comparatively cushy lives and don't face discrimination themselves. If they think about it at all, they justify their Bystander Syndrome because they're not active racists contributing to the problem... but they're also not taking any action to fix anything or combatting discrimination themselves. Jaune himself admits that if not for his situation, he would've also ignored the plight of faunus.
- Ilia reveals that when the White Fang tried peaceful protest, Atlas authorities did nothing to protect the protestors, and would straight up arrest them if they tried to hit back. Even Jaune acknowledges how shitty Atlas was.
- Inkopolis Chaos: Obsidian tells the octolings in the squidbeak that “they think they’ve been accepted but they still face racism!”, and the truth is, yes, octolings have overall been accepted by the inklings, but STILL deal with some racism.
- Deconstructed in Dominoes. Hevy acknowledged Slick is dead-on that clones are essentially slaves, but he points out that Slick's response — turning traitor and leaking information to the Separatists, causing massive casualties — and his off-putting and brash attitude undermined his point and that it's much more effective to play for the public's sympathy.
- In Free from Force, Darth Maul gives Ahsoka a speech about how her treasured Republic (especially the Senate) is morally corrupt and in the wrong in the Clone Wars, and while she's certain that he is wrong, she can't actually find any flaw in Maul's logic. Especially since Maul openly admits that he's not a good person and is only fighting for the Separatists because his master is.
- Strengths of the Heart and Mind: Conicus points out that the Dark Bonneters are allowed to possess frogs and Goombas without anybody seeming to care, only getting upset when the human Mario is threatened.
- Distortions: Shem-Ha's Assimilation Plot was terrifying for those who were trapped in it (i.e. everyone except for Hibiki and Miku). Chris points out to Hibiki that this shared trauma could cause people to turn against the Adaptors if Sumphonia is revealed to the public. In light of this and the fact that the Four Horsemen know about Sumphonia, the Four Horsemen's actions are understandable.Chris: (To Hibiki) Dummy. You didn’t experience Shem-Ha’s attempt to connect us. It was the most terrifying thing we’ve ever experienced. At that moment, everyone but you and your girlfriend lost everything that made them human — your free will, your emotions, your individuality — and became a part of Shem-Ha’s network. Those kinds of moments leave scars. If people had really thought that we were becoming something like Shem-Ha, then they just might turn against us.
- New Tamaran: Lois Lane finds herself agreeing with Lex Luthor in that letting Tamaraneans, a race of emotionally-prone living weapons, live amongst or near humans isn't a good idea.
- Monster Chronicles: Cedric may be the villain of the story, but rightly tells Duncan that his decision not to expose him at the first opportunity he got because he was worried about preserving his bad boy image made him a selfish coward.
- What's Worse than a Villain? has Flash's Rogue Gallery learn that Kid Flash's father has started hitting him. During their confrontation, Captain Cold points out to Kid Flash that hero or not, he's still a child, and even if his dad 'doesn't mean it', he still hurt his own son.
