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  • In Akkan Baby, while a little downplayed, Yuki not wanting to give Puni back to his mother, Mika, when he found out she intended to abandon him is understandable as he (and Shigeru) got attached to him and, though she did come back, abandoning one's child doesn't sit well with a lot of people, even if one is young and afraid.
  • The child protagonist of Barefoot Gen beats up a scientist for buying corpses from the Hiroshima bombing to dissect for scientific research, and tells him to show some respect for the dead. Thing is... the research in question is to see how radiation affects the human body, and it's necessary research to perform in order to be able to cure radiation-related diseases. Gen is basically letting respect for corpses rank higher than getting radiation victims some medical help.
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  • In Black Cat, Baldor's desire to murder Kyoko after her Heel–Face Turn is supposed to be a sign of how demented he is, which will make us root all the more when Train fights him and his partner, Kranz, to save her. Problem is, Kyoko pre Heel–Face Turn, was not only a member of a group determined to plunge the world into chaos, but a Psycho for Hire who enjoyed burning people alive from the inside out, while kissing them. On top of that her switching sides is motivated not by the realization that what she's doing is wrong, but from fear of Big Bad Creed, and a crush on Train. End result, Baldor comes off looking far more reasonable than he ever should when he recommends they just kill her. Happens again when one of the heroes tells him that just murdering your enemies is wrong. Cue one of the enemies she'd just spared blowing himself up to try and kill her. Baldor's maniacal laughter ends up being less Kick the Dog, and more "told ya".
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  • In Blue Gender, Man is ruining the planet due to technological excess and overpopulation, and so nature sends the Blue to forcibly knock humanity back to the Stone/Bronze Age. Many of the humans in Second Earth are supposed to be seen as cold and heartless, and Chairman Victor of the High Council in particular is supposed to be the Big Bad, for fighting against Gaia and the Blue instead of learning to live In Harmony with Nature. The problem is that at the time of the show's events, humanity knows it's ruining the planet and is trying to fix things... an effort the supposed Big Good Gaia is actively sabotaging with the Blue. At the end of the series, Seno Miyagi decides he and the rest of the humans should remain on the colony and seek out other planets to live on, which is a perfectly reasonable argument at this point and would leave the planet alone, spearing it from further harm. Instead, the humans go insane, Seno is shot dead, and Second Earth (which was built to ease the overpopulation) is destroyed, the Green Aesop being that humans can live in harmony with nature, as long as they're not abusing tech. Sadly, "tech" here is defined as anything more advanced than the wheel.
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  • In the Tenrou Island arc of Fairy Tail, Mest proposes evacuating everyone using his teleportation powers so the Council's forces can bombard the island since it has come under siege by Grimoire Heart. Natsu and the others from Fairy Tail object, due to not liking or trusting the Council, not wanting to blow up the island with the first Master's grave, and wanting to take down Grimoire Heart themselves. They, however, don't consider that Mest's proposal makes a fair amount of sense considering the number of injured people still on the island.
  • In The Devil Is a Part-Timer!, Chiho and Suzuno get into a fight regarding what to do with Sadao, AKA the eponymous Satan. Suzuno argues that Sadao needs to be killed because he's a ruthless, bloodthirsty, tyrant responsible for the deaths of countless innocents, while Chiho argues that Sadao shouldn't be because he's "made up" for all the evil he's done by being a model employee at a McDonald's expy, and that Suzuno's not being fair by not considering Chiho's crush on Sadao of equal weight to the thousands of lives he's made a literal living hell. Throughout the whole debate we're meant to see Suzuno and Chiho as having equally good points with a slant towards Chiho being in the right, though anyone with a lick of common sense and moral decency will tell you that no, having a crush on someone and them working at a fast food joint in no way override the fact that the person spent much of their time as a genocidal maniac.
    • On a side note, what finally "convinced" Suzuno was not Chiho's case, but Maou's explanation of the reasons behind (food shortage that could be resolved by instilling fear into humans), knwing that Maou didn't know humans were sentient beings until basically the end, that only two out of four generals ever engaged in genocide, that ever since he found humans to be sentient beings he stopped his former ways and is looking for alternaive food sources, and above all that Maou understands and accepts that he must be punished for his acts and will submit himself willingly the moment he's fulfilled his obligations. In fact, the one making a better case in the original discussion was Suzuno, Chiho was pictured mostly as a soft-hearted ignorant person trying to cast doubt by stating that "he had changed", trying to say that Maou had chosen a path of redemption.
  • In Dragon Ball Z, Chi-Chi is deliberately written to be a gag character and to not be taken seriously. Her points are almost always seen in the wrong, despite them not being entirely illegitimate. For starters:
    • She had a point in being one of the few people in the case who didn't like Piccolo after the latter's Heel–Face Turn. In some filler scenes of the show, she even flips out when people talked positively about him. Keep in mind, Piccolo was once a threat to the universe. She had seen him almost kill Goku and put a gaping hole through the latter's body. So it was only natural of her to freak out when she finds out that he killed Goku (granted Goku wanted Piccolo to do it, but it still counts) and then kidnapped her (then) 4-year old son.
    • She's made many complaints about Gohan being put into dangerous situations and fighting all the time. Due to her always being portrayed in the wrong for this, fans tend to see her as annoying for these complaints. Not only are her complains totally understandable, but even other characters (Bulma & Krillin) have made similar complaints that children shouldn't be in dangerous situations and fighting in the first place. In fact, on multiple occasions, Goku intentionally put all the pressure on his children's shoulders and each time backfired.
    • While Chi-Chi takes her Education Mama tendencies too far (especially with her saying education is more important than the fate of the planet) and she may not be the best parent, she does makes a valid point that an education is necessary for one to survive and be a good contributor to society. Again, it's not her fault that her world is a stock Shounen setting always ONE fight away from destruction.
    • Chi-Chi also bashed the Z Fighters for being a bad influence on her son Gohan in one filler episode. She went overboard, but she is completely right about Piccolo and Vegeta being a bad influence since both of them were evil and were plotting to kill Goku and Gohan at one point.
  • In Freezing, Scarlett Oohara is portrayed as being wrong for wanting to turn ordinary girls into artificial Pandoras to fight the Novas which plague humanity. The argument is that there is no point making civilians fight the battles when they're supposed to be the ones being protected, and that humans shouldn't try to reach for more than they have. Never mind that natural Pandoras are getting killed off faster than they can be born and that the current system is plenty cruel enough in that if you're born with the potential to become a Pandora, you have no other choice but to be one. Giving one a choice would be a huge benefit. Dr. Aoi Gendo, Oohara's main opposition, is okay with the Limiter system, which sends plenty of willing, once-civilian boys into the battlefield. Scarlett's point is then undermined since the E-Pandora project was never really meant to succeed in the first place. It was merely a publicity stunt to buy time for the Type Maria project. The girls who suffered and died because of the E-Pandora project did so for nothing.
  • Naruto:
    • Back during the battle with Naruto and Neji, Neji claimed that fate has already been decided pretty much at birth and there is no way for Naruto, who is believed to be a failure, to change it. After Naruto managed to defeat him, Neji believes that Naruto is right and destiny can be changed meaning he does not need to be a Hyuuga branch. However, later Naruto is revealed to not only the son of the fourth Hokage and a Jinchuriki, he also inherited the will of fire by Hashirama, the reincarnation of the sage's younger brother and is the child of destiny that is prophecised by the toad elder. Coupled with the Uchiha's curse of love and power, it means that Neji was actually Right for the Wrong Reasons.
    • The Leaf Village's elders' decision to keep Naruto on the Toad Mountain during Pain's attack on the village, as opposed to summoning him back to help defend the village, was portrayed as unequivocally wrong, and Tsunade's outburst and calling them out for their lack of faith in Naruto (and in the anime, subsequent lecture to them about believing) was put as the right position. However, the elders' decision was not entirely unreasonable, as the target of the attack was known to be Naruto himself, and there was no guarantee at the time that Naruto could fight, let alone defeat, Pain (a villain who had already killed Naruto's master, Jiraiya); the Elders even point out to Tsunade that it's tremendously risky, and even irresponsible, to summon Naruto back, and that if she is wrong and Naruto is defeated, the consequences could be disastrous for the world. They were almost proven right when Pain managed to catch and restrain Naruto, who was saved only by a timely intervention by Hinata. However, the elders' decision also resulted in the destruction of Konoha, and if Naruto showed up earlier, he might have had support from the village. Either way, Naruto still beats Pain. The anime portrayed the decision as influenced by Danzo, adding more fuel to the discussion of Danzo's motives. Interestingly, in later arcs the Kages make the same conclusion of hiding both Naruto and Killer Bee to keep them safe during the war, with only Tsunade and the Tsuchikage objecting to it, and it's Gaara who shoots down Tsunade's argument of putting Naruto on the front lines. Though with the same results as above, Naruto's help was required as well.
    • The Raikage is painted as a stubborn-headed git for refusing to forgive and rescind the 'kill on sight' order of Sasuke for the suspected murder of his brother. The manga tries to make it so that the Raikage's desire for revenge is clouding his personal judgment to the point where he's willing to start a Cycle of Revenge, but the fact remains that A) Sasuke is still at large, working for a terrorist organization, B) the Raikage's brother and other such targets hold the equivalent of a WMD, C) Raikage isn't the only person who wants Sasuke's head.
    • Although it was intended to come across as an example of Sasuke's callousness and self-absorption, at least some of his observations regarding Sakura's feelings in Chapter 693 is actually spot-on. Given that by this point Sasuke has repeatedly betrayed his friends, his village, his entire nation, and at the latest turn of events the entire social order of the continent, has openly announced his intention to murder everything that is good or just in a bid to take over the world as its new demon-powered overlord, and never had anything in common with or shown the slightest bit of affection or encouragement to Sakura in their entire lives, it makes absolutely no sense that she is still in love with him, and Sasuke is being entirely on-point to stop and lampshade that. For comparison, Naruto is his best friend and that is because they share childhoods of loneliness and time as rivals pushing each other to be stronger along with having some combat synergy to bond in battle. Sakura is completely unable to argue when he points out that the only reason she likes him was because they were on the same team for a little while over three years ago (and she only liked him because he was attractive). It really interrupts the whole rhythm of a scene intended to show a megalomaniac's utter alienation from normal human emotion when you find yourself stopping to go "...wait, that's actually true."
    • Way back when Obito and Kakashi are arguing whether they should save Rin or not, Kakashi claimed that Rin is not as important as completing the mission, due to learning from Sakumo's experience only for Obito to shot him down stating that "Those who break the rules may be scum but those who abandons their friends are worse than scum" thus Kakashi eventually decided to go back and save Obito. But had Kakashi not save Obito, he wouldn't have become Tobi and being responsible for everything that happens in the current Naruto world. In other words, Kakashi and by extension, the Konoha villagers code may be seen as right all along when it comes to following ninja rules.
    • On the topic of Obito, Sasuke and Kakashi are prevented from finishing him off after he undergoes Naruto's famous Talk no Jutsu and loses the power of the Ten-Tails. While their attempt is cheered on the rest of the Shinobi Alliance, Naruto and Minato believe that Obito should be spared and repent for his actions instead. While Obito does end up helping the protagonists later on (providing Naruto with Kurama's Yin half after his Yang half is extracted by Naruto, and then retrieving Sasuke from the dimension that Kaguya threw him in), those situations would have never even come about if he'd been killed before Madara could resurrect himself by forcing Obito to use Rinne Tensei.
  • Neon Genesis Evangelion has the representative dismissing NERV’s methods. He criticises their use of manned Evas that put a huge emotional strain on their pilots and generally rely too heavily on fallible humans, can’t be controlled when they go berserk (‘Like a hysterical woman!’), are energy-inefficient (they can go for only 5 minutes when not plugged to an energy source, while the Jet Alone can go on for months), and cost a lot of money that is sorely needed elsewhere, e.g. employment opportunities in the US (the only opponent of increasing NERV’s budget) and the 20,000 people dying of starvation in Japan alone. Even worse, he makes the ‘hysterical woman’ comparison while talking to Ritsuko, who later on destroys the Rei clones in a fit of jealousy, and Casper, the computer based on her mother’s personality as a woman, foils her attempt to make NERV’s HQ self-destruct and stop Instrumentality. It can be argued just how much of a point he actually has though, considering other events in the series.
    • It's actually made apparent In-Universe that he's not wrong, either, since the only reason the Jet Alone project is scrapped is because NERV has to sabotage the prototype. Sounds like they were pretty afraid that his arguments would have left NERV out in the cold at the next budget meeting had their test proven successful. Jet Alone was admittedly a dead-end project (it lacks an AT-Field so it has next to no defensive capabilities against Angel attacks, and with a nuclear reactor, well...) but the notion that they had to go out of their way to sabotage the test shows how strained faith in NERV is in universe.
  • Manami Tamura's outburst in the climax of Oreimo is meant to reveal her as a selfish Bitch in Sheep's Clothing who believes she's entitled to Kyousuke's affection. The problem is that Kirino has been an outright Jerkass for the majority of the series, and Manami, being a close friend of Kyousuke for almost all his life, has been full witness to how poorly she treated her brother. It makes no sense that he would prefer someone who treated him like dirt for most of his life instead of someone who seemed to legitimately care for him, like Manami did. And while the series attempts to portray her actions in the past as being the reason the Kosaka siblings turned out this way, her motivation to try to keep Kirino and Kyousuke apart as children is seen as reasonable to many fans — Brother–Sister Incest is considered taboo for awfully good reasons, and she didn't have any idea that they would turn out as screwed up as they did.
  • Pokémon:
    • In the fourth episode of the original series, whenever Ash blames the Samurai for all of his problems, it is meant to be seen as Ash just making excuses for his mistakes for not only missing his opportunity to catch a Weedle but also allowing his own Metapod to be kidnapped by the same Beedrills he provoked. At the end, he eventually learns a "lesson" from it about patience and becoming a better trainer. Except that the only reason that this event happens is because the Samurai rudely intervened when he was about to capture a Weedle, provoking a swarm of Beedrill and when his Metapod is upset at Ash for letting this happen and blaming himself for it, it's because he got sidetracked by Team Rocket, thus Ash has every right to blame the Samurai for letting his Metapod be kidnapped in the first place. In other words, the Samurai is not just a novice but also an arrogant hypocrite who is never called out by Misty nor the narrative.
    • Upon being defeated by his friend Richie in the Indigo League, Ash becomes incredibly upset at his loss to the point of being that we were supposed to treat that as him being a Sore Loser with his "friends" reassuring him that he should have trained his Charizard better and not to make excuses for his loss which Ash eventually accepts his defeat. However in this case Ash has a very good reason to react the way he does; at the start of the match, his other Pokémon were used up while trying to escape from Team Rocket due to Officer Jenny's absence, resulting in a massive handicap with his own Pokémon, with the referee refusing to let him postpone the match. No wonder Ash reacted the way he did after his defeat; him losing his match against Richie was the culmination of one of the worst days he's ever had.
    • The episode "A Chansey Operation" introduced Doctor Proctor, a callous, lazy physician who would rather flirt with Nurse Joy than lift a finger while off duty. When Team Rocket causes a traffic accident that injures a literal truckful of Pokémon, Nurse Joy essentially commandeers him and his hospital into helping treat the monsters, a decision which he protests strongly. While the episode treats this decision as bad (and his casual attitude is admittedly cruel), he's absolutely right - he's a human physician, not a Pokémon veterinarian. He has little knowledge about their reactions to certain medicines or proper temperatures, if he had to do a major operation there would be no guarantee that he would have the faintest idea which major organs did what, never mind that a large number of the Pokémon were very dangerous and hard to control (many were severely agitated to the point that Ash and company had to use their own Pokémon to subdue them and one of them, an agitated Dodrio, ended up accidentally sedating the doctor in question). If anything, he's being more responsible than the trio or Nurse Joy. She never seemed to consider just using the clearly established Pokémon teleportation technology to send them to another Pokémon Center.
    • Barry keeps praising Sunyshore gym as one of the best, while Paul hates it. As Ash and company would later see for themselves later in the season, the Sunyshore Gym leader was so disinterested in battling that trainers can merely take a badge without any challenge of any sort. This is one of the few times that Paul has a legitimate reason to demean the Gym and its leader.
    • The Trubbish episode had a teacher trying to get rid of a Trubbish, which is a living garbage bag. The kids in her class scream and disobey their teacher because they want to keep it. We're supposed to see Daniella as a mean, stubborn teacher who wasn't listening to their concerns. But the kids just demanded they get their way, and Daniella was concerned about the kids playing with living garbage that spat out toxic fumes - there's a reason kids in this series have to be a certain age to own Pokémon, after all.
  • Recordof Grancrest War has this at the end when Theo confronts the Mage Association's defeated leaders to know why they conspired to keep the humans from destroying the Chaos that plagued the world for so many years. In response, the great jewel that holds the history of the world shows him what had happened to a previous civilization that wiped out Chaos: they grew so technologically advanced that they imploded on themselves, completely destroying their civilization, before asking Theo if this is the future he desires. Theo shrugs it off by claiming that his and the other characters' heroism will serve to create an enlightened state of permanent peace where such a thing will never happen. One wonders how he'd be so sure about that after they're all dead, however.
  • A real thinker in Rurouni Kenshin. The central Aesop of the series circulates around Redemption Equals Life, Everybody Lives, and Forgiveness, and main character Himura Kenshin breathes this philosophy in order to atone for his past crimes. However, Kenshin's rival, Saito Haijime, deconstructs Kenshin's no-kill philosophy by stating that by allowing his enemies — who are usually Ax-Crazy, sociopathic, Card Carrying Villains — to live, he endangers more lives than he saves. And this has happened. Case in point, during the Jinchuu Arc, Kenshin defeats and spares two of Six Comrades, Gein and Kujiranami, who were no doubt the most dangerous. What do they do as soon as they recuperate during the climax of the battle (when Enishi was going to enact his true revenge against Kenshin)? They go straight onto aiding Enishi again.
  • Sailor Moon has a point in the R breakup arc where Usagi tells Mamoru that they were destined to be together; he's Prince Endymion, she's Princess Serenity, and they were in love before they were ever born. Mamoru's response is to ask what that has to do with their present situation, and why they have to be in love just because they were in love in a past life. It's a good question (and in fact calls out the entire premise of the series), but he isn't actually telling the truth about his motives and the viewer isn't supposed to take him seriously for a second.
  • Sonic X:
    • Knuckles largely exists as a Commander Contrarian to the team that desires to take more desperate measures to get back home. While he has a bad attitude (especially where Sonic is concerned) and some of his antics like trusting Eggman over and over are genuinely short sighted, the team tend to demean Knuckes over any point he makes, a few of which are rather valid and likely would have led to less disastrous results if followed, though this is never called out. Most of the time he argues with them, Knuckles is tricked or bullied into following through rather than reasoned with, despite the team endlessly pointing out how wrong it is when Eggman manipulates Knuckles in a similar manner.
    • Vector claims that Cream, a six-year-old girl, should be sent home to her mother Vanilla rather than tagging along with Sonic and the others, since they're fighting a powerful and murderous alien force. While Vector steps over the line by eventually trying to physically send Cream back against her will, it's hard not to feel like Vector is right, especially since Cream is far less physically capable in Sonic X than she is in the video games. Much like their arguments with Knuckles, the other teammates are belittling to Vector's theories, and angrily label him an egotist who should butt out.
  • A manga one-shot by Rumiko Takahashi called The Tragedy of P tells the story of an apartment complex where pets are forbidden. We're supposed to resent Mrs. Kakei, who's the most vociferous pet-opponent of all the members of the tenants' association, for the way she mercilessly throws out all tenants who are discovered keeping pets. But the thing is, the tenants' agreement clearly forbids keeping pets. Although Mrs. The Kakei's stoic demeanor helps convey the image of her as cold and evil, the pet-keeping tenants did sign an agreement saying they wouldn't keep pets. So they're breaking their word and being dishonest, and we're expected to dislike Mrs. Kakei for not wanting them to. It's revealed that Mrs. Kakei had a beloved dog she was forced to give up after moving into the apartment complex, a decision that was emotionally devastating to her, but she still did it because that was what she agreed to do by signing the tenants' agreement. So her apathy towards her fellow tenants over breaking this rule makes perfect sense because she's upholding herself to the same standards that she expects of her fellow tenants, and because she didn't expect an exception for her beloved pet then nobody else should expect an exception either.
  • In The Twelve Kingdoms, given that Shoukou is a lunatic guilty of committing multiple atrocities such as hunting humans for sport, it's easy to write off his denouncement of the practice of having each kingdom's ruler chosen by kirin according to the mandate of heaven. However, when one takes into account that the kirin, as spirits of mercy and compassion, have an In-Universe alignment of Stupid Good (to the point that one of the first things a good king has to learn is when to ignore their kirin, since a kingdom cannot be run by compassion alone), that each king becomes The Ageless when they take the throne (and thus stay in power unless and until they go bad and have to be overthrown, which happens eventually in most cases), and that because each king is a Fisher King, a bad ruler causes all kinds of natural disasters in his or her kingdom (famine, plague, armies of rampaging monsters...), it's hard not to concede that Shoukou has a point.
    • Also in The Twelve Kingdoms, Shoukei is meant to portray a spoiled, whiney brat who wants to get out of her responsibilities. She continually complains that she's not responsible for her father's actions... which she wasn't... and that she had no way of knowing her "responsibility" to stand up to her father... which she didn't. Rakushun (clearly the author's avatar) tells her that she should have known, that her conscience should have told her that the right thing to do was to stand up to her father, and that she should have known that something was very wrong... that it was only "natural" to know. In fact, the "natural" thing for children to do is follow their parents' example, and to accept the reality with which they're presented. Especially when a child's father is portrayed as both doting and severe (as Shoukei's father was), who doted on Shoukei while repeatedly ordering thousands of people to their deaths for the slightest infraction, the least natural thing for a child of such a parent to do, is stand up and tell him that they're wrong.
  • YuYu Hakusho:
    • The Koorime are made to appear to us as heartless bitches who would willingly condemn a child to death just because his mother made him with someone from a different race (albeit a demon) and he looks "a little" creepy at birth. Even his sister, Yukina by far the purest creature, thinks their whole kind deserves to be killed for what they did to her, her mother, and her brother (although she also expresses that she sees it as a form of Mercy Kill). The problem is, their point is completely valid. All the male offspring so far have killed many Koorime, who can only reproduce at intervals of over a century. And Hiei was only saved by The Power of Friendship.
    • A minor example from the Dark Tournament arc is George suggesting Hiei attack Bui while the latter is busy removing his armor. While the females chew him out for suggesting such a dishonorable act, they seem to forget a very important detail. The tournament isn't an officially sanctioned martial arts competition. It's Blood Sport where the only consistent rules are 1) No interfering with the match. 2) Stay in the ring. When most matches are won by killing your opponent, every fighter should be a Combat Pragmatist.
    • Mr. Akashi and Mr. Iwamoto are undoubtedly irredeemable jerks, but their attempts to get Yusuke and Kuwabara expelled aren't unjustified, as they weren't exactly model students. While Kuwabara made an effort to be a straight-A student and avoid his delinquent lifestyle, it was implied that Yusuke never improved his school life.
  • Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's:
    • Yusei is a rare protagonist example of a strawman after the Machine Emperors appear. Worried about what might happen if he confronts a Machine Emperor again, Yusei determines the best strategy is to duel without relying on Synchro Monsters, since Machine Emperors have the ability to absorb them to get stronger. Yusei duels Jack to test out this strategy, only for Jack to gain the upper hand and quit because he thinks it's ineffective, without offering any alternatives of his own. This "No Synchros" strategy of Yusei's soon gets brushed aside as he gets introduced to the concept of Accel Synchro, which as the name suggests, are still Synchro monsters that can be absorbed by the Machine Emperors (the ones we see have some protective effects, but that's counterbalanced by the fact that they require at least two standard Synchros just to be brought out). Yusei is meant to be seen as cowardly because of his fear of the Machine Emperors and his refusal to face them head on, but his strategy of not relying on Synchros makes a lot of sense considering they get stronger by absorbing Synchro monsters. Even then, there's a lot of Duelists who don't really rely on or even use Synchros in the series, so it's not like it's mandatory. To the viewer, the problem seems to be not that Yusei was choosing to not use Synchros, but that the non-Synchro strategy he tried out was phenomenally bad.
    • While his plan to destroy an entire city was undoubtedly drastic, Z-one is the last human survivor who was trying to prevent the apocalypse that destroyed the world in his timeline. Team 5D's fights against his plan without even trying to think up of an alternative way to prevent said apocalypse besides a generic hope speech.

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