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In this world, is the destiny of mankind governed by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like the hand of God hovering above? At least it is true that man has no control, even over his own will.
— Opening Narration that in the end turns out to be Void
Once a prophecy appears, it's set;
There's absolutely no way to change it.
If we act according to the prophecy...
Everything will go great!
Hasn't it so far?
: As soon as she saw you... she said you're the end of us...
I couldn't make sense of that... Abe Sapien
: I've heard all of this before. About me, about Hellboy. Hellboy died
without bringing any of it to pass. Maggie
: Arram yug...? Maggie's mother
: ...She just says, "Are you sure?"
Ah, the pity of it. Do not think I am unmoved, my sons. I have lived these lives again and again, I have endured these futile quests and escalating sacrifices; the turmoil that drowns out all love and hope and meaning— Until the heart stops and the last breath dies in the last dry throat. It is a tragedy. All of it.
There isn't enough time. There was never
We're all puppets, Laurie. I'm just a puppet who can see the strings.
There is no future. There is no past. Do you see? Time is simultaneous, an intricately structured jewel that humans insist on viewing one edge at a time, when the whole design is visible in every facet.
You thought to change history, Charles Xavier. Yet, if you knew this is the way it was, you must have known it is the way it would be.
"Like it or not you are a child of destiny[...]Haven't you wondered about the familiarity of this Khund attack? Before Glorith fouled history, this was young Valor's very next mission! Heyouvaporized this prototype craft![...]Despite your best efforts your flight here wasn't random. You're still at fate's mercy. You can't reject your destiny Valor. You're seizing it...whether you realize it or not."
Wh-What came over me? I... I almost killed him...! B-but that's insane! As Superman, I know I couldn't have done it! I can't change the past... and Luthor is still alive in my time!
If I return to Krypton, I will lose my super-powers again! Fate can't be changed! It's impossible for me to save Lyla or my parents! Earth needs me!
There is a prophecy, brother... 'Seven half-bloods shall answer the call
'. It means that we will be forced to call upon them. Your mortal children will play a part in this fight. This is fated. Struggling against it is pointless.
Film - Animated
Look at this tree, Shifu. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me, nor make it bear fruit before its time. Shifu:
But there are things we can control. I can control when the fruit will fall. And I can control where to plant the seed. That is no illusion, master. Oogway:
Ah, yes. But no matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
"Everyone comes to Zootopia thinking they can be anything they want. Well, you can't. You can only be what you are. Sly fox. Dumb bunny."
Film - Live-Action
"Everything that's meant to happen does." Thor
: We're fulfilling the prophecy. Valkyrie
: I hate this prophecy. Thor
: So do I. But we have no choice.
"Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now it's here. Or should I say,
"He should have just accepted things as they are instead of trying to interfere with destiny. You see, you can't interfere with destiny. That's why it's destiny. And if you try to interfere, the same thing's going to happen anyway, and you'll just suffer." "Can't stop what's coming." "Where there is death, there will always be death." "There's a theory in quantum physics... that time is immutable. It's like a river. You can throw a pebble into it... and create a ripple, but the current always corrects itself. No matter what you do, the river just keeps flowing in the same direction." "No!...No, stop it, I won't say it!...No, I don't believe in fate...No...All right, I give, I give, I'll say it!! DESTINY! DESTINY! NO ES-CA-PING THAT FOR ME! DESTINY! DESTINY! NO ES-CA-PING THAT FOR ME!" "Not so hasty, young friend! No one can escape his destiny."
I didn't fall in love with you. I walked into love with you, with my eyes wide open, choosing to take every step along the way. I do believe in fate and destiny, but I also believe we are only fated to do the things that we'd choose anyway. And I'd choose you; in a hundred lifetimes, in a hundred worlds, in any version of reality, I'd find you and I'd choose you.
— The Chaos of Stars, by Kiersten White
You see, everything's fixed. History is all worked out, from start to finish. What the facts actually are
is beside the point; history just rolls straight over the top of them. You can't change anything because the changes are already part of it.
One hundred and forty-three: do not try to avert prophecy, fulfill prophecy or in any way tinker with prophecy. Swallowing poison will lead to a quicker death and less ironic horror inflicted upon Creation.
Destiny waits, a darkness latent in the texture of the summer wind. Destiny will betray you, crush your ideals, deliver you into the same detestable Bürgerlichkeit as your father, sucking at his pipe on Sunday strolls after church past the row houses by the river—dress you in the gray uniform of another family man, and without a whimper you will serve out your time, fly from pain to duty, from joy to work, from commitment to neutrality. Destiny does all this to you.
Malachi shrugged. He never understood the need humans had to try and find the reason behind everything. Surely it was just an infinite cascade of reasons that led back whimsically into the first moments of time itself? What were they going to do, go back and fix things?
Among the things Billy Pilgrim could not change were the past, the present, and the future.
Everything has its time and everything dies.
I think certain moments in time are fixed. Tiny, precious moments. Everything else is in flux, anything can happen, but those certain moments, they have to stand. And this base, on Mars, with you, Adelaide Brooke, this is one, vital moment. What happens here, must always happen.
Those things had to happen to me. That was my destiny. But you'll understand soon enough that there are consequences to being chosen... because destiny, John, is a fickle bitch.
Whatever you do, you will always end up here. Whatever choices you make, whatever details you alter, we will always end uphere. I win. So, I win.
: How can I see the future if it didn't already exist? Fox Mulder
: Then if the future is written, then why bother to do anything? Clyde Bruckman
: Now you're catching on.
Hear me when I say, when I say, I believe
Nothin's gonna change, nothin's gonna change destiny
Whatever's meant to be will work out perfectly...
In the end, he could not escape the hands of fate.
...However, there is no need to pity him,
Because no one can escape. Not you, nor me...
Mythology and Religion
Say: "Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us: He is our protector: and on Allah let the Believers put their trust."
, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established. II.
Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions, yet hath He not decreed anything because He foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions. III.
By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels are predestinated unto everlasting life
; and others foreordained to everlasting death
These angels and men, thus predestinated, and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished.
The Oracle at Delphi
: I get that you wanna know your future in the broad sense of the word, but trust me, You Don't Want to Know this
Is it my future? The Oracle at Delphi
: Well, yes, but you don't wanna know. Oedipus:
Well, if it's bad, I can avoid it, right? The Oracle at Delphi
: That's...not how Greek Fatalism works.
Not a whit, we defy augury: there's a special providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now, 'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come: the readiness is all: since no man has aught of what he leaves, what is't to leave betimes?
Can't Escape from Crossing Fate! Kaeden:
No matter what happens, my master
will be waiting for you and Jak
Daxter: Outside where?
It's already written. The city will be ours...
There are men who struggle against destiny and yet achieve only an early grave.
There are men who flee destiny, only to have it swallow them whole.
Then there are men who embrace destiny, and do not show their fear. These are the ones who change the world forever
Loath though I am to serve the shadows and surrender to the scion of a usurper, so long as it brings the royal bloodline to an end... So long as I get my revenge... ...I will submit. Bahamut:
As thou shouldst. The fate bestowed upon a man cannot be changed.
Narrator: The fate-abetting Prince perhaps believes it was through his own choice that he procured the Fated List of Minor Prophesies, but it was preordained.
Oh no, not this determinism thing again...
And I realized that I could never escape my terrible destiny. I had merely postponed it. History abhors a paradox.
—The Batter, Official Ending
No one can unmake the past. It already happened. There's no "undo." Similarly, the future already happened. We just haven't reached
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— Terezi "gallowsCalibrator" Pyrope
EB: but what does that mean!
AG: It means what it sounds like! He's already here!!!!!!!!
AG: Here in our session, trying to hunt us down! Man, this should 8e elementary to you 8y now.
AG: No matter what you or I or any of us did, Jack's here now. That's the reality!
AG: And if I didn't stop you, it wouldn't have changed the reality for us here. We'd still 8e hiding on this rock, and he'd still 8e out there, sniffing around for us.
AG: He wouldn't just disappear! That's not how this time stuff works.
— Vriska "arachnidsGrip" Serket
explaining time to John "ectoBiologist" Egbert
CG: BUT WHAT ALL THESE LOFTY SYMBOLIC ALLUSIONS BOIL DOWN TO IS SOME GRANDER STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT YOU SEE HAPPENING HERE.
CG: THAT YOU WERE ALWAYS THE KEY TO SEEDING YOUR OWN EXISTENCE THROUGH THIS GAME.
CG: AND ANY HOPE THAT IT COULD HAVE PLAYED OUT DIFFERENTLY OR THAT YOU COULD HAVE AVOIDED THIS WHOLE MESS WAS ALWAYS JUST A RUSE.
— Karkat "carcinoGeneticist" Vantas
explaining the so-called "ultimate riddle" to John, Homestuck
"Against your will, you have become a slave, lashed by unseen chains to a story you cannot write and want no part in. You will lose yourself. Fate will warp you beyond recognition, Little Miss Nobody."
You're a fool, Critic
, a damn fool! You can't change your destiny, you can only choose to meet it! And you will fail.
You're welcome to try
to fight determinism, Steve, but my intuition is that you will fail.
The Newton Twins were the first to try to force the machine to be wrong. Both their tickets said "Old Age," so they committed suicide. Ten times they tried, and ten times they failed.
Scorpio - Saturn rising in your sign will subject you to the powerful force of Fate, which everybody knows is stronger by far than electromagnetism, gravity, or the nuclear strong and weak forces.
: I learned a very valuable lesson in my travels, Tucker. No matter how bad things might seem- Caboose
: They could be worse. Church
: Nope, no matter how bad they seem, they can't be any better, and they can't be any worse, because that's the way things fucking are, and you better get used to it Nancy. Quit your bitching.
"If reputable prophecy dictates I will be defeated/killed by a certain person or event, I will not waste time trying to eliminate him or prevent it. I will enjoy my power for all its worth, as long as I can, meanwhile devoting reasonable energies in a search for new prophecies that will get me out of the first one." The first man stood alone
on the barren field
and in the distance he saw
the locked gate beyond which
his greatest shame was kept.
He turned to the snake
who writhed on its belly
like a worm
and cursed it for its treachery.
"You tricked me," the man said
"you led my hand astray
and now we are damned for it."
The snake sighed.
"I gave you knowledge," it said
"and with that knowledge
you made the choice you made.
I could not make it for you."
The man cried out
"All the same, trusting you was
my greatest mistake."
"No," the snake said
"Your greatest mistake was
believing you had a choice at all."
Damage? Silly girl, there is no damage to your past. You cannot damage history, because history cannot be changed. I went back in time to steal this because history says it disappeared, and history says it disappeared because I went back to steal it. Past, present, future, it's all written in stone my dear and nothing you do can change it.
We have no specific destiny against which we can fight - for the fighting would be as much a part of the destiny as the final end.
A person often meets his destiny on the road he took to avoid it.
It is written.
— Tamil Proverb