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"When I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Abraham Lincoln, Statement to an Indiana Regiment passing through Washington (17 March 1865)

A situation in which a character promotes an action, revolution or social system that harms or will harm other people, under the assumption that it will not harm them. They will invariably discover that they were wrong, with the double whammy of knowing they supported the measure that caused their suffering when they thought it would happen to 'somebody else'.

Imagine that Bob attends a banquet for 200 people at the mayor's house. When he arrives, he is informed that they made an error when ordering the food: there is enough steak for the first 100 guests, but everyone else will have to make do with vegetables. Bob, looking around and seeing the room less than half full, says he thinks this is fair. Only afterward does he see the second dining room, filled up with people who arrived earlier, and realize that he isn't going to be in the group that gets a full dinner.

Poor Bob. He would have been wiser to remember the thought experiment from which this trope takes its name: John Rawls' "original position", which says that the only fair laws are those passed from behind the hypothetical "veil of ignorance" (i.e. you don't know whether you'll benefit or suffer from the change). If he had realized he could be in the group that wouldn't get a steak, he might have suggested serving half portions so everyone could have some meat. Instead, he refused to share 'his' steak, and that was his missed steak.

The main use of this trope is to show that blind self-interest is a bad thing — Bob shouldn't have been so quick to give "someone else" a steak-less dinner when he thought his meal would be fine. If he is fortunate, the plot will hand him a second chance to approach the question — presumably with a bit more compassion this time. But in many cases it's too late for regrets: Bob has his vegetables, and now he must eat them.

Of course, it is also possible that the mayor — who did know the outcome and could assign the menu options — steered Bob into making a choice that was worse for him, perhaps to damn him by his own words. Call it an "Original Position Gambit" if you will. This trope is also one of the places where Off the Table doesn't shift sympathy away from the person who refuses to re-extend the offer. ("Oh, Bob wants everyone to share their steak now? Too bad.")

A character whose thinking falls into the Original Position Fallacy may start out as a Hell Seeker, end up as a Boomerang Bigot, Dirty Coward, or any combination thereof. One category of person particularly vulnerable to this thinking is the Sub-Par Supremacist. If someone pulled the gambit version on Bob, it was probably a Magnificent Bastard skilled in Gambit Speed Chess. See also The Window or the Stairs, which weaponizes this trope by disguising the worse option as the better one.

This fallacy also drives a Prophecy Twist or two - someone hearing a prophecy thinks it'll come true on terms that'll be favourable to them, or that they'll never be in a situation where the prophecy might screw them over. May result in a Karmic Transformation or a Color Me Black situation; sometimes forms the 'twist' of a Karmic Twist Ending. Contrast Who Will Bell the Cat?, where a change that would benefit most at the cost of a few never gets implemented because no one wants to be "the few."

Closely related to Moral Myopia, Protagonist-Centered Morality and Excuse Boomerang. Compare A Taste of Their Own Medicine, where one receives the same poor treatment they inflicted on others as a form of revenge. The Inverted Trope is of course The Golden Rule: Only do things unto others that you can agree would be fair if done unto you.


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  • Cross Ange: Humans exile Norma (humans who cannot use Mana and negate Mana that comes into contact with them) to an island in the middle of nowhere to act as Slave Mooks to protect their Crapsaccharine World, making them Un-person. Princess Angelise of the Mitsurugi Empire considers this entirely appropriate... until it turns out in the first episode that she's a Norma herself and her royal parents had covered it up. The fallacy is pointed out to her face in episode three.
  • In Death Note, Light Yagami spends much of the series as The Social Darwinist, believing that anyone he assassinated with the Death Note deserved it. Naturally he doesn't believe the same of himself. In the manga, at least, he screams and pleads with anyone to try to extend his own life once Ryuk writes Light's name into his own Death Note. In other versions, once he's been identified as the wielder of the Death Note, Light makes a run for it.
  • In Fullmetal Alchemist, both the Emperor of Xerxes and the military leadership of Amestris fall victim to this. They both conspire with Father, the original Homunculus, to commit mass human sacrifice in order to achieve immortality; none of them realize that their immortality will consist of having their souls transmuted into a Philosopher's Stone.
  • Monster Rancher: Allan wants to join Moo, assuming that he'll get to be in charge because he's human. He fails to consider that Moo might not want human followers, or that many of the monsters working for Moo want Revenge on abusive trainers like him. He's shocked beyond belief when the Seed Sisters immediately betray him and offer Worm the chance to do the same.
  • Naruto: Danzo was all in favor of instructing his ninjas to sacrifice themselves if need be, in part because his own high rank made his chances of doing so himself extremely low. In a rare variation of this trope, he was aware of this hypocrisy and hated himself for it. Even more so because when he was younger, he hesitated at a crucial moment and instead it was his master the Second Hokage who sacrificed himself for the sake of the village. Ultimately he does end up making one to stop Tobi from getting Shishui's eye.

    Comic Books 
  • Batman: Year One: At a dinner party at Carmine Falcone's mansion, Commissioner Loeb assures Falcone and a group of Gotham's elites that Batman is actually good for them in the long run: a vigilante beating up a few street-level thugs and drug dealers helps the city's inhabitants to feel safe, "and the safer they feel, the fewer questions they ask". Then Batman crashes the party and tells the assembled elites that he holds all of them accountable for Gotham's misery, and "none of you are safe." First thing the next morning, Loeb is bellowing at Lt. Gordon:
    Loeb: No excuses! That vigilante bastard goes down instantly, or it's your job!
  • In Chick Tracts, one of the most common types of Straw Loser is the guy who isn't afraid of Hell. One variant of this is that he believes that hell exists and that it is a horrible place for the damned, but also believes that he'll be one of Satan's demons reigning in hell. His fate invariably turns out to be much crueler. (The two other main variants are those who don't believe that hell exists and those who think that it's not such a bad place.)
  • One pre-Comics Code horror story ("The Pit of Horror!", Adventures into Weird Worlds #10, September 1952) features the Devil noticing that hell isn't much of a scary place anymore, so he abducts and hires a human efficiency expert to whip the place into shape. After a few months, the demons are sadistic torturers and hell is once again filled with the screams of the damned, so the Devil pays the expert with a chest of jewels — and informs him he had only a few minutes left to live on Earth, so not much point in going back! The expert's soul is judged and sent to hell... where his former students (who resent him for making them work hard when they'd gotten used to slacking off) are very eager to show off their progress. Read it here.
  • Judge Dredd: The worldwide nuclear war behind most of the setting's problems was started by the American president, certain as he was that the US's radiation shields would prevent fallout from affecting them. He was disbelievingly disabused of this notion after the nukes started flying.
  • Prez (2015): Boss Smiley and his fellow corporate cads scheme to get a bill passed that will enable them to copyright the DNA of living things, but are coerced into reversing this when Beth retaliates by having trillionaire Fred Wayne acquire the rights to their DNA and demand they either pay him royalties whenever they take action or die.
  • The Walking Dead: From the fall of the prison safe zone onwards, Rick and Abraham stress that survival is the most important thing and that morals simply hold people back. They end up profoundly shaken when they meet those who take such ideas to their natural conclusion; Gabriel, who abandoned his congregation to hide in his church, The Hunters, who cannibalized survivors, and Eugene, who lied about being able to cure the zombie virus to save his own skin. In the end, they conclude that they have to set better examples and that the zombie apocalypse can’t be an excuse to do otherwise.
  • Watchmen by Alan Moore tackles this with his superheroes Rorscharch and the Comedian.
    • Both of them are Sociopathic Heroes who take on positions of Straw Nihilist and The Antinihilist respectively. They keep telling people that Silly Rabbit, Idealism Is for Kids!, that they alone know "the truth" about the absurdity and harshness of the world. Then they come face to face with someone who internalizes their sayings and decides to do something about it, and their facade of cynicism cracks.
    • Rorschach earlier espoused support of Harry Truman using the atomic bombs to end World War II, saying it was a terrible act that saved millions. When he comes across Ozymandias who uses a similar justification to unleash an attack on New York City (as a Genghis Gambit to end the Cold War and avert an incipient nuclear war), he denounces this action and states that he will expose the truth instead, only for him to be killed by Dr. Manhattan, one more sacrifice for the greater good. It's implied that this is sort of Suicide by Cop due to Rorshach being unable to reconcile the outcome of Ozymandias's actions with his own Black-and-White Morality.

    Comic Strips 
  • Calvin and Hobbes:
    • In one strip Calvin complains to Hobbes that the ends should justify the means: you shouldn't get in trouble if you get what you want. Hobbes promptly pushes Calvin into the mud, saying that Calvin was in his way but now he's not, so the ends justify the means. An irate Calvin shouts that he only meant for him, not for everybody.
    • Another strip has Calvin decide to become a fatalist. That way, if bad things happen he's not responsible for them. Cue Hobbes tripping him into the mud puddle again.
      Hobbes: Too bad you were fated to do that.
      Calvin: THAT WASN'T FATE!
  • In one Foxtrot story arc, Jason is afflicted with poison oak and torments his older sister Paige by telling her that he touched all her stuff. Her mother Andy tells her she's being ridiculous, because the odds of poison oak being spread that way are virtually nil.
    Paige: I don't care! Will you tell him to stop?!
    Andy: If you want me to humor you, fine. Where is he?
    Paige: He's using your computer.
    Andy: Not without gloves, he's not!
  • There's one Non Sequitur arc wherein Danae visits an alternate reality where every person on earth had one wish come true. She and her alternate come across a mockable politician, and the alternate Danae explains that he'd wished that slavery would become legal again. Danae then asks "And what about the guy who owns him?" The alternate says that he made the same wish.
  • Humorously averted in a Dutch Sjors & Sjimmie comic. Their guardian the Colonel is outraged when hearing the news that a Disco has opened in their town, while in another town's disco a man causing a violent disturbance was given a mere slap on the wrist. But as part of his attempts to get the title characters to not go to their town's disco, he's arrested for causing a violent disturbance in that disco. The comic ends with The Colonel on a medieval execution platform, complete with an axewielding headsmen... and him being happy that at least in their town they don't just give violent offenders a slap on the wrist.

    Fairy Tales 
  • Happens quite a lot in fairy tales. The usual scenario is that at the wedding of the long-suffering female protagonist, the king will ask whoever tormented her what the proper punishment should be for a series of crimes (these crimes inevitably being the ones they did to her). The evil characters grab the Idiot Ball and callously suggest something horrible (e.g. "They should be put into red hot iron shoes and forced to dance until dead"), which is promptly done to them.
    • "The Three Little Men in the Wood": After his son's baptism, the king asks his mother-in-law what should be done to someone who drags another person out of their bed and throws them in the water. The old woman answers, "The wretch deserves nothing better than to be taken and put in a barrel stuck full of nails, and rolled downhill into the water." And so it is done.
    • The Brothers Grimm's The Goose Girl: The chambermaid impersonating a princess is asked how to punish a servant who deceived her master — not realising that her deception is already known. She vindictively calls for the false servant to be dragged around in a barrel studded with nails until death, and so she meets her end.
    • Giambattista Basile's The Myrtle ends with six jealous murderesses Buried Alive, just as they suggested should be done to anyone who dared harm the prince's lovely bride (she came Back from the Dead).
  • There is a fairy tale where a Lazy Bum hears about an island of one-eyed men, so he decides to go there, kidnap one, and make a living from The Freakshow. He didn't even consider the fact that two-eyed man is quite the freak show for the one-eyed...
  • One Eastern European folktale features a married couple who become upset when the wife's aged father comes to live with them. When the old man drops and breaks a ceramic bowl, they angrily scold him, give him a wooden bowl to use, and banish him from the table to eat alone. Later, the husband sees their young son playing with some scraps of wood and ask what he's doing; the boy innocently replies "I'm making a wooden bowl, so that when you and Mama are old, I can feed you from it!" The husband and wife have a quick Heel Realization, apologize to the grandfather, and welcome him back to the table without another word of complaint.
    • A variant of this story is also told in Japan: this time, the patriarch of a large family becomes upset with his aged father's feebleness and tells his children to bring him a large basket so he can take the old man to the river and drown him. The man's youngest daughter promptly replies "When you have finished, bring back the basket — we will need it for you someday."

    Fan Works 
  • Ancienverse: As part of DARC, Michael sets out to activate the Ultimate Weapon and turn its power against the world... without ever considering that he might end up on the wrong end of that power. Something that leads to his demise when it fires upon him.
  • Cain: Bakugo's outlook in life is, to put it simply, "Heroes are winners, villains are losers". Since he's always been protected and privileged by everyone around himself, he thinks himself a winner, and thus, a hero, while Izuku (whom he has bullied for a decade because he is Quirkless) is a loser, and thus, a villain. But the moment Bakugo "loses" (as in, not getting everything he wants in the exact way he wants it) he decides that the person who beat him (by getting something he can't have) is a cheater, a manipulator, and (of course) a villain.
  • NeutralMime's Chameleon: alternate ending uses this in its 'Adrien version'. Even after Marinette reveals how Lila threatened her in the bathroom and nearly got her akumatized, he focuses on how she managed to avoid the butterfly, declaring that's proof they don't NEED to expose Lila since she can just keep dodging akuma. Then Marinette reveals how Lila had stolen his father's book and nearly gotten him yanked out of school... and Adrien promptly turns around and cheerfully informs their classmates of Lila's true nature. The abrupt about-face leaves Marinette stunned by the realization that he was fine with leaving Lila alone so long as he wasn't the one being hurt.
  • Harry Is a Dragon, and That's OK: Professor Umbridge puts up a number of blatantly and aggressively pro-human and authoritarian posters around Hogwarts — without putting her name on them, so even Hermione feels no qualms about pulling them down. When Professor Umbridge complains to the Headmaster about it, he agrees that letting people put up anonymous posters might be worth a try — so he announces that anyone can put up posters, and that people should please not take them down. Umbridge soon has reason to regret her request, as large numbers of much more creative and impressive posters appear in support of the "unusually shaped" students, including many that express thanks to them for how helpful they've been, along with some that poke fun at Umbridge herself.
    Then there was one which asked if anyone had seen an escaped toad, adding that the toad in question had a Dreadful on its Defence course and seemed to think it could teach the subject anyway.
  • Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality: This is the one thing that pragmatic and bitterly cynical Professor Quirrell actually likes about democracy, that it brings Laser-Guided Karma to people who don't think it through.
    Quirrell : You see, Mr. Potter, no one ever quite believes that they will go to Azkaban, so they see no harm in it for themselves. As for what they inflict on others... I suppose you were once told that people care about that sort of thing? It is a lie, Mr. Potter, people don't care in the slightest, and if you had not led a vastly sheltered childhood you would have noticed that long ago. Console yourself with this: those now prisoner in Azkaban voted for the same Ministers of Magic who pledged to move their cells closer to the Dementors.
  • He Can Only Blame Himself: Since Adrien already knew Lila was a Manipulative Bitch in Sheep's Clothing, he assumed that she'd never be able to trick him. As adults, Lila drives a wedge between him and Marinette by claiming his overworked girlfriend is intentionally choosing her career over their relationship, seducing him into cheating on Marinette with her.
  • The Karma of Lies: Adrien presumes that Lila's scheming and scamming doesn't really matter because he's already aware of her true nature; thus, nothing she does can really impact HIM. The fact that she's conning his classmates isn't a big deal since he's not personally affected (and he's too rich to understand how much they're losing). Naturally, Lila exploits his Moral Myopia to string him along, luring him into helping her out despite knowing what she's like, then stabs him in the back for a major payday. Then and only then is he willing to tell the others that she's a Con Artist, with his classmates abandoning him when they learn that he's known from the start and happily watched her grift them of their most prized belongings.
    • Two Letters, a Spiritual Successor story by the same author, also invokes this trope with Mayor Bourgeois. He wanted a Ladybug who could be bribed into supporting his corrupt activities, but he forgot that he's not the only person around who wants Ladybug's endorsement, and that the original Ladybug's honesty was the only thing stopping her from being paid by those other people to destroy him. So, when Marinette retires and her Sketchy Successor also known as Lila Rossi takes over and begins accepting bribes, Bourgeois finds himself going broke making bigger and bigger payments just to keep her from being bought by someone else who wants her to denounce him.
  • Knight of Salem: Vernal gets incredibly tired with Tyrian's threats to fight her to the death whenever she doesn't do something he wants, and as such calls him out on it. His retort? He's merely following the Branwen Tribe's own rules, and rightfully points out she's upset because she's on the losing end of the argument.
    Tyrian: Make a society where I can win arguments by stabbing people to death and I'm going to start stabbing.
  • In Mutant Storm, Pansy Parkinson spends a lot of time claiming that other girls should be happy and pleased with their place in life once Voldemort takes over. Then, Bellatrix Lestrange gets killed, and Pansy gets a letter demanding she take her place as the Dark Lord's concubine without anyone caring about her opinion. The next day, she's groveling at the feet of the other side.
  • One for All and Eight for the Ninth: Many of the grunt level members of the Meta Liberation Army support the group's quirk supremacy views because it lets them feel special despite their own weak quirks. Re-Destro lampshades that none of them consider that once there are no more Quirkless people, they'll be the ones on the bottom of the totem pole. Furthermore, because the MLA believes a person's value is based on the strength of their Quirk, they have no problem sacrificing hundreds of mooks to benefit their cause.
  • The Rigel Black Chronicles: Daphne Greengrass is a proud pureblood — until an ancestry potion reveals that her mother had an affair with a muggle-born wizard and she's actually a half-blood, causing her to be expelled from Hogwarts. Harry calls for compassion and understanding from her friends (some of whom are rather scathing of Daphne), pointing out that it could in theory happen to them too.
    Harry: What if it had been you? How would you feel if you found out tomorrow that you were a halfblood and your family lied to you? Would you feel like you didn't deserve to be here? Like it was okay to rip four years of hard work out from under you for something that wasn't your fault? Would you feel like a monster? Or would you feel exactly the same as you do today, and the world would seem monstrous instead?
  • Truth and Consequences: Marinette accepted Master Fu's insistence upon protecting their identities and the secrets of the Miraculouses as much as possible, even when that meant Chat Noir was Locked Out of the Loop. After all, it was "safer that way", right...? When the other Miraculous Masters are forced to reveal more details during the heroes' Darkest Hour, however, she's taken aback to learn that Master Fu was lying to her as well, and that the backstory he'd shared with her was only Metaphorically True at best.
  • White Sheep (RWBY): Most of the people who oppose making peace with the Grimm have never been directly involved with fighting them off themselves, and have no concept of just how bad the conflict is. Nor do they intend to change that; they're operating off the presumption that the Hunters will ensure their continued safety. Meanwhile, many of said Huntsmen and Huntresses are the most willing to broker a potential treaty in order to bring the Hopeless War to an end.

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    Films — Live-Action 
  • In Avengers: Infinity War. Thanos plans to kill half the universe to prevent an Overpopulation Crisis. When Doctor Strange asks how he'll ensure that he doesn't die, Thanos bluntly responds that he won't; the deaths will be entirely random.note  However, at another point, Thanos states he will gaze upon a grateful universe, suggesting he knows he'll be around after killing half of the universe. Endgame drives this hypocrisy further, as Thanos succeeds at his plan, but his alternate timeline counterpart is disgusted to learn that the remaining population of the universe does not appreciate the "genius" of his scheme. As such he pledges to wipe out the entire universe and replace it with one that will worship him as their savior forever.
  • The "I was a celebrity in a past life" variant is humorously discussed in Bull Durham.
    Annie: I think probably with my love of four-legged creatures and hooves and everything, that in another lifetime I was probably Catherine the Great, or Francis of Assisi. I'm not sure which one. What do you think?
    Crash: How come in former lifetimes, everybody is someone famous? (Beat, then they both bust out laughing) I mean, how come nobody ever says they were Joe Schmoe?
    Annie: Because it doesn't work that way, you fool!
  • In H-E Double Hockey Sticks, a hockey player obsessed with winning the Stanley Cup makes a Deal with the Devil so that his team wins the cup. Yay, right? Nope. The demon's boss then has him traded to the worst team in the NHL. So now, not only will he not get the trophy, he's also sold his soul for nothing. Luckily, said demon has a change of heart and points out a loophole - if another team wins the cup, the contract is null and void. So the player has to beat his team of losers into shape in order to win the cup and regain his soul.
  • Played for laughs in L.A. Story. Harris starts a casual relationship with ditzy clothing store clerk SanDeE*, who explains that her boyfriend pushed for them to be in an open relationship so that even though they're together, they can still date other people. "But it backfires on him sometimes," she adds, and points him out by the bar. Late in the film, she tells Harris that said boyfriend now wants to go exclusive, she suspects because he couldn't get any other dates.
  • In the first X-Men film, Magneto attempts to invoke this trope with a machine that can turn humans into mutants; the idea is to use it on a gathering of world leaders, many of whom have anti-mutant sentiment, to show them what it's like to be persecuted and feared. However, the machine only works using Magneto's own mutant gift, and the process nearly kills him, so he kidnaps the power-copying Rogue to forcibly transfer his ability into her body and use her as the fuel source. Wolverine calls Magneto out for falling into the same line of thinking he claims he's trying to avoid: if he really cared about mutant rights, he would willingly sacrifice himself in the machine.

  • A common joke involving Mama's Baby, Papa's Maybe runs thus: On his deathbed, a man remarks to his wife that he has one son who is large and strong, a second who is quick and clever, and a third who is a moron and a weakling. He begs her to answer honestly — is the third son truly his? She reassures him that he is, and the man dies in peace. "Thank God he didn't ask about the other two," she then mutters.
  • A man goes to Hell. The Devil greets him and says to pick his torture. "You have to pick wisely because this will be your torture for eternity."
    The man goes through hundreds of rooms but can't decide, until he sees a room where a man is sitting on a couch, watching sports, and getting a blowjob from a cheerleader. The man says, "This is what I want to do for eternity!" The Devil asks him if he's sure, and the man screams, "Hell, yes!"
    The Devil goes over to the cheerleader and says, "You can stop now: I found someone to replace you."
  • A joke common in historical 4X gaming communities:
    My girlfriend told me I should treat her like a princess.
    So I married her off to a total stranger to strengthen my alliance with France.
  • A wife comes home to find her husband packing a suitcase.
    "What are you doing."
    "Packing! There's this tropical island where they had a plague, and now they have so little men the women pay men $20 to have sex with them!"
The wife pull out her suitcase and starts packing as well.
"Uh... what are you doing?"
"Packing, I want to see how you manage to get by on $20 a month."


By Author

  • Isaac Asimov was acutely aware of this phenomenon, both when selectively pining for the Good Old Days and when imagining the societies of the future.
    • A dinner conversation with his wife about the time "when it was easy to get servants", in which Asimov claimed that they themselves would be the servants, was later incorporated into one of Asimov's essays as an example.
    • The short story "The Winnowing" describes a global food shortage which the World Food Council intends to remedy by poisoning the most famine-struck areas — all of them comfortably distant from their own homes — with a biological agent that would kill 70% of the population at random. Their high-minded platitudes about "the finger of God" selecting the victims evaporate when the scientist they coerced into assisting reveals that he added the agent to the sandwiches they've just eaten.note 
  • In C. S. Lewis's commentary on the Book of Psalms, Lewis points out that the Psalmists asking God to strike down the wicked rarely think that they themselves could be wicked (though in other Psalms the tone is more humble), and that in real life, some people's reaction to discovering a system to be unjust and exploitative is to work towards being on top of the heap so they can take advantage of it.
  • In a short story by Robert Sheckley, in an anthology compiled by Isaac Asimov, a young man, obsessed with sex, finds a magical text that will allow him to assume the job of feeding griffins, aware that griffins' favorite food is young virgins (thinking he might have some fun with offering a girl the obvious way out). It turns out that the young man is actually a virgin, and that he is not serving food for the griffin, he is the food.
  • In one of the stories of Ooka Tadasuke, a famous Japanese judge of the 18th century, he has to divide a father's estate between twin sons. One is known as greedy and selfish; the other is known as having helped the father and for being honorable. No one can tell which son is which. Ooka picks one son at random and tells him to divide the estate using tokens representing the various assets. The chosen son starts giving himself all the money and property, and gives his brother merely the good will of the neighbors. The crowd thinks Ooka made a huge mistake until Ooka announces that he told the son to divide the estate, but that only Ooka has the power to award the items. Ooka gives the money to the honorable son and tells the greedy son that he needs the neighbors' good will more.

By Work

  • Ascendance of a Bookworm:
    • The series' basic concept plays with the trope. Our heroine is reincarnated into a Medieval European Fantasy world, But unlike many other Light Novel protagonists, ends up born to a family of commoners.
    • A knight named Shikza finds himself needing to guard a person of lower status than himself, whom he happens to resent. The only other two people present are of lower status than him, as well. Because of this, Shikza assumes he can do as he pleases with the person he's meant to guard and attacks her. Tables are turned on Shikza when he's reminded that the person who asked him to stand guard is of higher status than him.
  • Averted in Atlas Shrugged. The population of Galt's Gulch consists entirely of people who were either wealthy in the outside world or aspired to be. Clearly, a functioning society requires menial laborers, and some people will be at the bottom of the heap. But because Galt's Gulch is part of Ayn Rand's utopian Author Filibuster, everyone's presented as very happy with this system: former CEOs who end up as underlings claim to be completely satisfied, as long as their boss is more skilled and qualified than they are.
  • The Beast Arises: After the Astra Militarum, Mechanicus, and every Imperial Fists successor chapter join forces to defeat the ork invasion of Terra, they mount a Military Coup against the High Lords of Terra with the help of the Inquisition and the Adeptus Arbites and appoint Captain Koorland, the Sole Survivor of the Imperial Fists, as Lord Commander of the Imperium. The High Lords are understandably miffed at this, so when Vulkan, Primarch of the Salamanders, is discovered, they try to get him to take over, hoping he will give them their power back. Vulkan agrees to accept the Lord Commandership... and then immediately orders the High Lords to obey Koorland's orders as if they were his own and goes into seclusion.
  • Ciaphas Cain: In one book, the Imperial Guard command is hampered by the local aristocracy because the death of the governor left no central authority (but plenty of semi-legitimate heirs) and any single one taking charge would be called usurpation by the others, preventing any cooperation. Lord General Zyvan accepts the offer from one of them (who has no claim to the throne) to install martial law, which is accepted... and his first order is for the civilians to kindly leave the war room.
  • Discussed in Colonel Butler's Wolf by Anthony Price. Butler compares himself to one of his more liberal-minded colleagues, noting that the colleague assumes he'd have been one of the masters in the old days but prefers modern society anyway, while Butler himself thinks the old ways were better even though he knows perfectly well he'd have been one of the servants.
  • Discworld:
    • Inverted for (pre-Ridcully) wizards and Assassins, who view their respective hierarchies as stifling and extremely unfair, but are very happy with it once they become high rankers themselves. Those who don't achieve high ranks... let's just say their complaints are unlikely to matter.
    • Guards! Guards!: The Brotherhood of Ebon Night enthusiastically agree with their master's wish for a return to the "good old days" when Ankh-Morpork was ruled by a king, who enforced "justice" that rewarded the deserving and punished the undeserving, taking for granted that in any such regime they themselves would be sorted into the first group; they thus embrace their Supreme Grand Master's plan to magically summon a dragon to wreak a little havoc in the city and pave the way for the return of their Puppet King. They regret the lives lost, but tell themselves that it is in service to the greater good, until the dragon incinerates their puppet king, their headquarters, and almost the entirety of their order inside it.
    • In Jingo, the lords and guild heads of Ankh-Morpork are agitating for war against Klatch, and outraged to hear that (since the City has no standing army), the treasury is bankrupt and can't afford to hire a mercenary force. The Patrician, Lord Vetinari, says the main cause of this is tax evasion by the wealthy; the lords and guild heads demand that this be addressed immediately, and Lord Vetinari says he already has a list of the worst offenders and offers to deputize the City Watch to collect from them - at which point the lords and guild heads sit down and mumble that some other solution must be found.
    • In The Last Continent, the Chair of Indefinite Studies darkly mutters that in "the old days" they used to kill wizards like Ridcully. The Dean points out that they also used to kill wizards like them. This is also a bit inaccurate. Ridcully was originally recruited as a useful hick who could take the job and not make waves but be easily assassinated if he was a problem. Turns out that, as a country wizard, he's in alarmingly good shape and a crack shot with a crossbow.
  • The Freedom Maze by Delia Sherman tackles this head-on. Sophie — a girl from 1960 — gets to travel back in time to 1860 and visit her ancestors' plantation. She assumes they'll recognize her as part of the family. They do, but her tan skin, frizzy hair, and lack of 19th-century manners mean they figure her mother must have been black, and so she winds up as a slave by the one-drop rule.
  • In the novelization of Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019), the main human antagonist Alan Jonah genuinely doesn't realize once he decides to let King Ghidorah destroy the world that him and his men will surely die with everyone else in that scenario regardless of how well they hide themselves underground. He says that he and his men will live like kings once Ghidorah's apocalypse has finished, and Madison mentally calls out the absurdity of such a notion.
  • In one of the books of Guardians of Ga'Hoole, the main character Nyroc is born to Nyra, head of the "Pure Ones", an organization of owls made up of the family Tytonidae (the barn owls) whose goal is to eliminate the Guardians of Ga'hoole and purify the owl kingdoms. One of Nyroc's friends is Phillip, a member of species of Tytonidae called greater sooty owls. When he and his father were starving, they decided to join the organization as new recruits in hopes of a better life. Unfortunately, as Phillip discovers, not only are the Pure Ones racist towards other owls, but discriminate among their own kind based on feather color, with the white Tyto albas at the top of the hierarchy. Phillip (or Dustytuft as the other owls called him) ended up on the lower ranks of the social ladder, just above lesser sooty owls, forced to do the most menial and worst of jobs.
  • In The Handmaid's Tale, some women advocated for Gilead before it became a reality: Offred lives with a man whose wife, Serena Joy, had a career telling women that they would be happiest as wives. Needless to say, she isn't happy after her career is forcibly ended and she becomes just another wife.
  • Harry Potter:
    • Many people who joined the Death Eaters were merely in it For the Evulz, or the chance to get ahead in wizarding society, or because Voldemort's victory seemed certain (and many were half-bloods masquerading as pureblood). Some found out that his evil was far beyond the bullying and Muggle-baiting they were used to, some tried to claim they'd been mind-controlled the entire time, and others still found themselves too deeply compromised to do anything but keep serving him.
    • In the backstory, Severus Snape turned on the Death Eaters and became a Double Agent for Dumbledore's Order of the Phoenix after Voldemort targeted Lily Potter (nee Evans), with whom he had been in a Love Triangle with James Potter when they were all students at Hogwarts. Meaning that he was all on board with Voldemort's plans until they affected somebody he actually cared about. Worse yet, he openly begged Voldemort to let her live after killing her husband and son, which best case scenario would've left her to live in grief. He only turned to Dumbledore for help when Voldemort refused to do even that, causing Dumbledore to call him out for his immense selfishness.
    • The goblins welcomed Voldemort's upheaval of the wizarding world at first, thinking it the end of wizardkind's casual contempt on nonhuman magic beings. Instead, they seemed to have been reduced to menial work (quoth Griphook, who escaped: "I am no house-elf."). You'd think going with an organization that prides itself on purity of wizarding lineage would have set off more warning bells.
    • Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone: Draco Malfoy catches Harry, Ron, and Hermione out of bed after curfew to visit Hagrid and reports them to get them in trouble. While they are punished more severely by Professor McGonagall, who deducts fifty House points each, Draco is shocked when McGonagall orders him to also serve detention, since he was also out of bed after curfew.
  • Discussed in the Heralds of Valdemar novels, where "May you get exactly what you deserve" is considered a curse. The implication is that the target might initially accept it, thinking they deserve better than what they have, but will shortly discover that they deserve worse.
  • Robertson Davies once wrote a short story (collected in the anthology High Spirits) in which a group of academics, after being bored to tears listening to a newly minted literature graduate student gush about how cool it would be to go live in the past, proceeded to summon the minds of their ancestors to inhabit their present bodies. And it turns out none of them had a particularly interesting past.
  • How a Realist Hero Rebuilt the Kingdom:
    • Amidonia's Prince Gaius VIII attempts some Loophole Abuse of the Mankind Declaration's ban on military conquest for the duration of the conflict with the Demon Lord: he argues that since Elfrieden is not a signatory, then trying to reconquer some of the territory Amidonia lost in their last war is not illegal. King Souma Kazuya soundly defeats Amidonia, killing Gaius in action and occupying his capital, so his heir Julius goes running to the Gran Chaos Empire (the western superpower that backs the Declaration). The Imperial heir apparent agrees to negotiate on their behalf to end Souma's occupation to save the credibility of her sister's treaty... and then, after negotiating with Souma, informs Julius he can either accept Souma's perfectly reasonable demand for war reparations and handover of war criminals for prosecution, or else be kicked out of the treaty entirely and have to risk other neighboring countries making the same Loophole Abuse argument to prey on a now much-weaker Amidonia. Julius takes the deal.
    • In a scene reminiscent of Henry V Act II, Scene 2, while deciding the sentences of convicted traitors Castor and Carla Vargas, Souma asks the jury of nobles what should be done with them. Two of them suggest clemency and are escorted out of the room. The others call for the Vargas' heads—and are promptly decapitated for their own treasonous activities by Souma's Black Cat ninjas who had infiltrated the room. Souma then sentences the Vargases to enslavement, while the two nobles who called for clemency are given jobs in Souma's administration.
  • One Judge Dee story has the judge attend a play, in which two brothers are complaining about their inheritance, each claiming they got shafted while waving the paper that lists their share. The judge of the play tells the brothers to exchange lists.
  • Played for Laughs at the start of KonoSuba. After dying in a freak accident, Kazuma is offered the option to Reincarnate in Another World by the goddess Aqua, and told he can pick any item or power as his New Life in Another World Bonus. Annoyed at her flippant attitude towards his circumstances, Kazuma picks Aqua herself out of spite, and Heaven ratifies the Loophole Abuse, much to Aqua's dismay.
  • Shirley Jackson's townspeople in "The Lottery" are perfectly fine with the annual Lottery of Doom that will end in a Human Sacrifice (it's traditional!). Only the victim protests, and only when it becomes clear that her life is at stake.
  • In the Nemesis Series, man-hating female mage Graywytch casts a spell to kill off all men, defined for the purposes of the spell as having a Y chromosome. She nearly dies herself, which Danny (a trans-girl and target of Graywytch’s transphobic tendencies) theorizes that she's actually intersex, i.e. genetically XY male with androgen insensitivity. Though Graywytch refuses to accept this explanation, insisting she accidentally Cast From Hitpoints instead. It's never explicitly confirmed which is true, but the book seems to lean to Danny's explanation.
  • The Other Boleyn Girl: Anne Boleyn assumed that she would be able to maintain her role as the triumphant queen once Henry VIII divorced Catherine of Aragon and married her. In reality, as soon as she ascends the throne, every noble family in England makes note that replacing a queen can be done and starts trying it themselves with their own daughters. Since Anne’s tactics to keep Henry's attention involved being flirtatious while limiting actual physical contact to the minimum, she finds it difficult to maintain his interest once he has her and various ladies proceed to copy her approach of playing hard to get. In addition, Anne also made the age-old error of believing the man who'd kept several mistresses throughout his first marriage would remain faithful to her, and she's enraged when Henry starts getting up to his old tricks with the ladies of her chamber.
  • The Rising of the Shield Hero: Slavers launch a raid on title character Naofumi's feudal holding because his protecting the demihumans there has increased the price in regions opposed to the Shield Hero. After the surviving raiders try to pull Screw the Rules, I Have Connections! to keep him from summarily executing them all, he sells them into slavery in a region that worships the Shield Hero. They are not best pleased by this outcome.
  • Slave World:
    • In the first novel, the heroine is horrified with how naively her colleagues embrace the Alternate Timeline world they have found. The scientists join the society, believing that they will get to be part of the aristocracy and thus accept the social order where the aristocrats have absolute power over everyone else. And yes, they do end up enslaved.
    • Zigzagged in the third novel, as Sarah seems to be falling in the same trap as her predecessors. She's actually setting herself up for permanent enslavement, although her plan is to belong to the woman she loves... who then gives her the basic "thanks but no thanks" and auctions her off to a random aristocrat... a young lady who grows to become the true love of her life.
  • In These Words Are True and Faithful, Cassilda advocates for government to constrain others' lives, assuming that she and people like her will be the beneficiaries. Her opponents invoke the same government powers whose expansion she advocates to shut down her pet project.
  • In the Thursday Next novel One of Our Thursdays Is Missing, Thursday is trapped in the Oral Tradition aboard the ship Ethical Dilemma, which is the setting of an ethics lecture about the morality of killing or torturing one person to save a larger group. Thursday chooses to give the lecturer an aneurysm in order to save the ship.
  • The War of the Worlds was partially written as a critique of Social Darwinism. Many people who believed that superior people should be in power would be extremely unhappy if a superior race of alien invaders took over.
  • "The Destiny of Milton Gomrath" by Alexei Panshin has a garbage collector being convinced all his life that there's something wrong with the world and his position in it. One day he's visited by a being who says there's been a mistake and he actually belongs in an Alternate Universe, a Medieval European Fantasy world of brave knights, beautiful princesses, and heroic deeds. The garbageman eagerly agrees to go there instead, where it turns out his job is to clean the manure out of the castle stables, and his home is a pile of straw in the corner.
  • In The Wheel of Time series, women who can Channel are captured by the Seanchan, who use magical collars called a'dam to break them to slavery. The thing is, it takes a certain amount of magical potential to hold the leash on a Channeler; at one point, when the main characters free Egwene from her captor, they leave her torturer in an a'dam, possibly to be made a slave herself.
  • X-Wing Series:
    • Played for Laughs in Rogue Squadron. At Bror Jace's instigation, the unit holds a mock Court Martial of Ensign Newbie Gavin Darklighter, Jace arguing that he should be "apprenticed" to the highest-scoring pilot (currently himself) on the grounds that he has, as yet, scored only one kill in three engagements. Nawara, a former defense attorney, defends Gavin to Wedge, Tycho, and a bit character, and reaches a "plea deal" where Corran agrees to split his nine kills with Gavin and judge the best and worst pilot by percentages. Wedge then wryly points out that, having been awarded four additional kills in the plea deal, Gavin is no longer the worst pilot in the squadron: Nawara himself, with one kill, is.
      Nawara: No appeal?
      Wedge: To you there probably is not, but the idea of a lawyer getting the sentence instead of his client has some appeal to me.
      Nawara: Perhaps it is true that a lawyer who has himself as a client is a fool.
    • Wraith Squadron: After ambushing the Wraiths, resulting in Jesmin Ackbar dying and Myn Donos having a PTSD break, the leader of a gang of Space Pirates tries to argue to Wedge Antilles that the battle had taken place in an unclaimed star system, and so there were no laws there and they had the right to defend themselves. Wedge sarcastically agrees and says in that case they were free to go—but if there were no laws, that also meant there were no laws against the Wraiths killing all the pirates and looting their supplies. The pirate leader quickly changes his mind about whether there are any laws in the star system.
      Pirate: You can't do that!
      Wedge: Of course we can. There's no law here.

    Live-Action TV 
  • The Adventures in Wonderland episode "I Am the Walrus" has the Queen of Hearts invoke this trope after the other Wonderlandians shun the Walrus, who recently moved into the neighborhood, because of Fantastic Racism. She throws the Walrus a welcome party and puts up signs declaring that no one else is allowed in. When the other subjects complain, the Queen of Hearts and Alice (who was the Only Sane Man in the situation) point out that they're now feeling just as bad as the Walrus did when they rejected him, as they never considered that they might be the ones judged and treated poorly.
  • Angel: Wolfram and Hart, with Holland Manners at the helm, resurrect Darla and have Drusilla turn her back into a vampire. In "Reunion", he encourages them to commit "a massacre", promising to support them in it; and when Angel tersely tells him people will die, causally replies "And yet, I just can't seem to care". This lasts right up until Darla and Drusilla decide to massacre him and his team, then he begs Angel to save them.
    Holland: People are going to die.
    Angel: And yet, somehow, I just can't seem to care.
  • Babylon 5:
    • "Infection": An archaeologist recovers a Bio-Augmentation module for Super Soldiers from an Advanced Ancient Acropolis. The weapon was designed for use against an Alien Invasion, but its target selection programming was done by ideological zealots who also wanted to "purify" their own race. As it turned out, none of their own species, ideologues included, could meet the high standard of purity that was set.
    • "By Any Means Necessary" centers on a union dispute after a fatal accident in the docks. The negotiator sent by the government leans heavily on the legal authority he has, refusing to negotiate or discuss the grievances from the union representative. The negotiator grants Commander Sinclair authority to resolve the dispute by any means necessary, assuming the commander will arrest and replace the striking dockworkers. Instead, the commander uses his new authority to reallocate money from the military budget to meet the union’s demands, upsetting the negotiator who is now the one being overridden by legal authority. (The government was reportedly furious, but public opinion was on the side of the union so they let it slide.)
      Orin Zento: You can't do this!
      Sinclair: You're right, I couldn't, until you convinced the Senate to invoke the Rush Act. You should never hand someone a gun unless you're sure where they'll point it. Your mistake.
    • "A Late Delivery from Avalon": Marcus Cole has a brief monologue on the subject.
      "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? (Beat) So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe."
  • Blackadder: An offscreen version in "The Archbishop", where Edmund, now the Archbishop of Canterbury, must convince a dying nobleman with no heirs to leave his lands to the Crown rather than the Church (which, according to the Church, will send him to hell). Edmund (who was appointed archbishop after his father King Richard IV had his predecessor murdered when he convinced another dying nobleman to leave his lands to the Church) points out that heaven is exceedingly boring, while hell is filled with the kind of people who appreciated the finer things in life, such as pillage, adultery and torture. The nobleman enthusiastically declares he wants to go to hell and bequeaths his lands to the Crown, with no word on whether he ended up among the torturers or the tortured.
  • In the Doctor Who episode "The Day of the Doctor": The Doctor (three of them, actually — the War Doctor, Ten, and Eleven, to be exact) activate a memory-erasure device on the heads of UNIT and the shape-shifting Zygons to negotiate a peace treaty to make everyone forget who's a human and who's an alien, forcing them to consider this trope's effects, since the head of UNIT activated a bomb that would set off a nuclear warhead, resulting in the destruction of them and the Zygons, along with the collection of dangerous alien artifacts and all of London.
    Eleven: You're going to negotiate the most perfect treaty of all time...
    Ten: Safeguards all 'round, completely fair on both sides...
    Eleven: And the key to perfect negotiation...
    Ten: Not knowing what side you're on.
  • Discussed in The Handmaid's Tale. When the Mexican ambassador makes a state visit to Gilead in one episode, she notes that before the revolution Serena Joy Waterford wrote many books defending Gilead's brand of far-right extremist Christianity. Gilead forbade women's education and literacy on religious grounds, which means there's no one to read Serena Joy's books anymore and Serena Joy herself is mostly stuck at home bored out of her skull. She initially dismisses this, but it eats at her and leads to her having a nasty falling-out with her husband that carries into season 2.
  • The Odd Couple (1970): In "The Odd Couple Meet Their Host", Felix tries to push Oscar into doing a show about his own messiness, assuring him that people will think it's funny despite Oscar's fear of looking foolish. When Oscar ends up talking about his roommate's neurotic habits, Felix is furious at being humiliated.
  • Person of Interest: In "Nothing to Hide", tech CEO Wayne Kruger defends "Big Data" with the argument that if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear from your personal information being available on the Internet. During a presentation on the subject, the radical libertarian group Vigilance hacks the projector and publicly exposes Kruger's own secrets, including that he was cheating on his wife, which sends him into a Villainous Breakdown.
  • In an episode of Saved by the Bell, Zack winds up learning a lesson this way. He's allowed to choose the teams for an athletic competition and is told to make them balanced, so he puts all the jock-types on one team, assuming he'll be the captain of that team, and all the nerd-types on the other. The teacher, then explicitly asks him again if he is sure that the teams are balanced, appoints him as the captain of the nerd team when he said yes, saying something to the effect of "Yes, I let you pick the teams, but I pick the captains."
  • Star Trek: Enterprise: Terra Prime in the two-parter "Demons" and "Terra Prime" is a human-supremacist group whose leader John Paxton idolizes Colonel Green, a 21st century tyrant who exterminated irradiated victims of World War III. T'Pol discovers that not only does Paxton secretly have a genetic disorder that would have marked him for death under Green's regime, but he's been treating it with imported Rigelian medicine. T'Pol tries to blackmail him into standing down over this, but Paxton claims his followers wouldn't believe it coming from a Vulcan. (Events move too fast after this to actually test his opinion.)
  • Sue Thomas: F.B.Eye: In "Secret Agent Man", Myles takes steps to get a height limit in his neighborhood repealed because it will allow him to keep his new flagpole and get one over on his Sitcom Arch-Nemesis, Webber, who challenged him about it. The rule is lifted...only for Myles to get a basketball in his flowers. Webber put up a basketball hoop which previously would have been outlawed by the height limit.
  • The Twilight Zone (1959): The episode "Four O'Clock" stars Oliver, who resolves to shrink all the evil people in the world to two feet tall. He never considers that he might be considered an evil person and thus shrunk himself. Thus when the appointed time comes out, he's horrified to see himself subjected to his own process.
  • Discussed in The West Wing. After a motion to strengthen the Estate Tax / Death Tax is defeated in Congress, President Bartlett muses that the problem with The American Dream is that it makes everyone worry about how they'll protect their assets once they become rich.


    Myths & Religion 
  • In The Bible:
    • In the Book of Esther, King Ahasuerus asks his advisor Haman what a good reward would be for someone who had done the king a great service. Haman assumes it's for him and suggests an elaborate display, with the honored person riding the king's horse, wearing the king's robe, and being led by a noble shouting "See what is done for the man the king wishes to honor!" Ahasuerus thinks it's a great idea — and then tells him to go do just that for Mordecai, Haman's hated rival who had foiled a coup attempt against Ahasuerus but was never rewarded properly. And it just gets worse for Haman after that.
    • In 2 Samuel chapter 12, the prophet Nathan invokes this to guilt-trip King David after learning that David had Uriah killed and took Uriah's wife Bathsheba for himself in the previous chapter. Nathan tells a story about a rich man with many sheep, whose neighbor is a poor man with only one lamb, and the rich man steals his neighbor's lamb and slaughters it for his dinner. David angrily says that such a man deserves to be put to death. Nathan replies "You are such a man!" David isn't killed, but he is horrified at what he's done and immediately sets about trying to repent, and the Kingdom of Israel is cursed to fall as a consequence of his misdeed (first by the split between Israel and Judah in the reign of his grandson Rehoboam, then by the Babylonian conquest).
  • The Book of Mormon: When Laman asks his relative Laban to give him the brass plates containing their genealogy and scriptures, Laban angrily accuses him of being a robber and tries to have him killed on the spot. However, when Laman flees, returns with his brothers, and offers all their family's wealth in exchange for the plates, Laban gets greedy and takes all their valuables by force without handing the plates over, making him a robber. God later arranges for the youngest brother, Nephi, to come across Laban passed out drunk, and tells Nephi that it's acceptable to kill Laban.

    Stand-Up Comedy 
  • Brent Butt (of Corner Gas fame) had a bit where he recalled encountering an extremely scrawny guy wearing a shirt bearing the anarchy symbol, and naturally mocked how unlikely he'd be to survive if he ever got his wish.
    Butt: You think he's thought this through? You think he wants to live in a world without rules? All 74 pounds of him? Think he's gonna do well in a Mad Max society? They're gonna give him the Grand Poobah horns and let him call the shots, you figure? Or is he gonna be the hood ornament on a dune buggy around Day 2? Some 300-pound biker eatin' soup out of his skull, that's what's gonna happen.

    Tabletop Games 
  • Ars Magica: Some diabolists are Hell Seekers in the belief that their loyalty to Satan will get them promoted to devilhood when they die, so they can be the torturers instead of the tormented. Hell offers no such accommodations.
  • In BattleTech, Brett Andrews, Khan of Clan Steel Viper, was elected ilKhan of the Clans and declared his intent to purge them of the "taint" of the Inner Sphere. This led to the Wars of Reaving, which saw the destruction of many of the Clans and several others being forced to flee to the Inner Sphere. Finally, he declared that all the tainted Clans had been destroyed, only for Khan Stanislov N’Buta of Clan Star Adder to remind him that there was one Clan that had been tainted by its time in the Inner Sphere left: Clan Steel Viper. Andrews challenged him to an unarmed duel, then killed him with a laser pistol, violating both the prohibition of carrying weapons into the Clan Council and the honor of the duel, which the other assembled Khans used as evidence that N'Buta was right. The Steel Vipers promptly became the final Clan to be destroyed for being tainted by the Inner Sphere; Andrews himself, meanwhile, was beaten to death by Star Adder saKhan Hannibal Banacek. For added irony, the Steel Vipers were the only Clan that had actually occupied a part of the Inner Sphere that were wiped out in the Wars of Reaving, as all the other Clans that invaded the Inner Sphere either survived (Clan Jade Falcon, Clan Wolf, Clan Ghost Bear, Clan Snow Raven, Clan Diamond Shark, Clan Nova Cat) or were destroyed prior to the Wars of Reaving (Clan Smoke Jaguar, Clan Ice Hellion). The other Clans that were destroyed were ones that had never gone to the Inner Sphere.
  • Dungeons & Dragons:
    • This is a common ploy of the Lawful Evil alignment, inviting people to join a system that benefit the strong at the expense of the weak. The regular adherent is an Asshole Victim who overestimated his strength and is really unhappy with finding himself as one of the despised and exploited weaklings. Similarly, Fiendish Codex II explains this is why someone would willingly sell their soul in a Deal with the Devil — they expect their natural ability or special relationship with their fiendish patron will lead them to swiftly take positions of power and prestige in the diabolic hierarchy after their deaths, allowing them to pursue their mortal ambitions as a mighty pit fiend. Unfortunately for them, as soon as mortal souls arrive in Baator they're tortured until they suffer a Death of Personality and have been twisted into the very least of devils.
      "No tyrant looks upon a wretched lemure and thinks that this will be their afterlife."
    • In the Dark Sun setting's history, the Companions helped the insane Absolute Xenophobe Rajaat execute his genocide of all the "impure" sapient races of Athas, right up until they realized that he wasn't actually human and counted humans among the impure races. Cue a collective Oh, Crap! and hasty ploy to seal his evil in a can.
  • In the Mutant Chronicles book Ilian, there are two short-stories on this theme. Humans who joined the cult of Ilian because they wanted to become the exploiters rather than the exploited. And their futures are so bright, since Ilian will smile upon them forever... until they fail or get backstabbed by each other, that is. Suckers.
  • In Book of the Dead, a book for the New World of Darkness (mostly Geist: The Sin-Eaters and Mage: The Awakening), all the underworld realms presented are designed so the gamemaster can play them this way. It's outright encouraged in general, and one of the realms is designed so it's hard to NOT play it this way. This realm is called Oppia, and is a place of abundant soul-energy in the form of delicious food. The rulers are very generous and hospitable, and their rules seem simple enough. Sure, the system runs on enslavement of souls, but those idiots are bad guests who broke the rules. Seems easy enough to accept... until you realize how very easy it actually is to break the rules. Including by accident.
  • Pathfinder: Defied by the Gray Gardeners, the secretive order of executioners that maintains the Final Blades of Galt—the magical guillotines upon which accused enemies of the Red Revolution are beheaded.note  As the only lasting power center amidst the Red Revolution, the Gray Gardeners keep their own identities secret to lessen the risk that the mob might turn on them as well.
  • Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Fantasy Battles:
    • Many who devote themselves to the Gods of Chaos do so for personal gain, with the most ambitious hoping to be rewarded with immortality as daemon princes. Unfortunately for them, their patrons are just as likely to ignore them, drive them insane, give them what they want in a cruelly ironic way, or subject them to awful transformations. Many instances of Chaos Spawn were once up-and-coming champions of Chaos until they washed out and mutated beyond control, becoming little more than feral attack-animals herded into battle by their former subordinates.
    • In 40K, the fall of the Eldar was brought about by the psychic Space Elves' continuous hedonism creating a new Chaos god/dess in the Warp. Some pleasure cults actually did their best to accelerate this process, believing they'd be rewarded with an eternity of new sensations. The Dark Eldar are now a race of Klingon Promotion-enforcing combat sadomasochists who need to hide in the Webway lest the Chaos god Slaanesh devour their souls, and can emerge into realspace only long enough to conduct quick raids for slaves.
    • In Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, mutants are hated and feared for their obvious taint of Chaos; but one book points out that, while many denizens of the Empire have little problem condemning mutants if they're someone they don't know (or like), attitudes change fairly quickly once they or their loved ones experience mutation themselves. In particular, families that experience the birth of mutant children usually decide to either hide the baby or abandon them in the woods, rather than kill them or consign them to the witch hunters as is their duty.

  • 1776:
    • Benjamin Franlkin snarks at one point that rebellions are only illegal when other people are doing them.
    • During the But, Mr. Adams number, Thomas Jefferson happily sings along with the other committee members' excuses to not write the Declaration of Independence... until he realizes that that leaves only him without an excuse, and so he'll be stuck in Philadelphia writing the thing and won't be able to go home to see his wife.
  • In Act II of William Shakespeare's Henry V, a trio of nobles are secretly plotting against Henry. In Scene 2, Henry mentions he plans to forgive a man who spoke against him in public, attributing it to drunkenness. The three nobles say the man should be punished, at which time Henry reveals that he knows about their treachery. They beg for mercy, and Henry says they'll get the mercy they wanted for the drunk and sentences them all to death.
  • In The Merchant of Venice, when the time comes for Antonio to finally pay his debt to Shylock, Shylock rejects an offer to pay back triple the money owed in favor of insisting that the Exact Words of the contract, that he take a pound of flesh from Antonio, be followed in the hopes of getting rid of someone he hates. Portia, disguised as a lawyer, asks him to choose mercy, but all in vain. After the judgment, she springs the trap — he can carve a pound of flesh from Antonio, but he can't take any blood, or he'll be executed for murder. Shylock, understandably, tries to either accept a different offer or drop the suit, but both of those options are now Off the Table.
  • In Gilbert and Sullivan's The Mikado, the Emperor of Japan visits the town of Titipu and, believing that his son (traveling incognito) was inadvertently executed, demands that someone die for it. The aria "See How the Fates Their Gifts Allot" consists of him and several other characters agreeing that execution is a fair and just punishment for the crime that has occurred, always assuming that someone else will be the one executed.

    Video Games 
  • ANNO: Mutationem: Castor takes up on assisting C's Evil Plan to retrieve The Dypheus' Breath once he's convinced obtaining it will grant him a new position within The Consortium and restore his family's status. As Castor later finds out, C never intended on fulfilling the deal, which leads to him and Melissa both getting stranded out in the desert.
  • BioShock:
    • BioShock: This was a big problem in Rapture. The city's premise is a Hidden Elf Village of pure capitalism, created because Andrew Ryan had a grand image of talented people being able to accomplish things without "parasites" forcing them to give up their stuff to normal people. The only one to spot the obvious problem with this was Frank Fontaine. He notes in an audio diary that the sort of people who would move to Rapture would be people who were already captains of their industry; they hoped that they would be able to resume their regular lifestyle without being hampered by things like taxes and regulations. Only to find out that, as Frank put it, "someone's gotta clean the toilets," and since all the other residents of the city were in the same position they were, that meant most of them were now the ordinary people who had to live pay check to pay check in order to survive. Except now, the regulations that exist to help normal workers weren't there to protect them. The only person who seems to have escaped this entirely was Fontaine himself; not because he didn't exploit others, but because he was already a criminal and just found Rapture an easier target. He wasn't actually in Ryan's target audience, he just found out about Rapture by chance and impersonated someone who did have an invite.
    • The above is also the ultimate reason why Ryan ultimately became his own antithesis. He had genuinely never thought that someone could gain power by courting the working class. He never realized that people who came to Rapture to break the rules would be perfectly fine breaking his rules. And he never considered that someone might outcompete him. When Frank Fontaine gains success by doing all these things, he has a Villainous Breakdown and refuses to accept that, by his own Objectivist principles, Fontaine deserves to rule Rapture more than Andrew does. He then proceeds to use what governmental authority he has against Fontaine, which ends up causing the city to slide into civil war as they realize that Ryan has no compunctions about using his power to bully them and doesn't want a free market but an Andrew Ryan market.
    • This is also discussed in BioShock 2 where you find out the backstory of the railroad that connects the various parts of the city. Ryan and his supporters invested heavily in the railroad, but it was quickly upstaged by the invention of the bathysphere and the railroad went bankrupt. Ryan's followers never considered that their own investments could go sour and were confronted by the fact that they were about to find themselves broke and on the bottom of the economic and social system of Rapture. Faced with losing his power base, Ryan forced a bank bailout for the railroad, which saved the investors' fortunes but destroyed the savings of everyone else. Rapture's economy went into a downward spiral, which resulted in the civil war that wrecked the city.
    • While not as prevalent, the fallacy is also reflected in Bioshock Infinite regarding Comstock's flying paradise for the American People. Fink realized that none of the white, wealthy, religious patrons who'd flock to Comstock's city as "God's Kingdom" would be eager to do manual labor or menial tasks to maintain the 'heavenly' city, so he brought in "Cherubs for every chore", i.e. a massive foreign labor force that would eventually revolt and become the Vox Populi. This didn't end well for anybody.
  • Bravely Default: The Evil One, who is revealed to be the Treacherous Quest Giver Airy, looks down on humans and mocks them for being blindly obedient, comparing them to livestock to be slaughtered. She is shocked however when her master, Ouroboros, decides to eat her after she fails to kill the heroes too many times, with her master even justifying it with the same logic.
  • Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc: It eventually turns out the Mastermind had an accomplice but had said accomplice betrayed and killed because despair, and the accomplice never saw it coming. Mukuro Ikusaba was completely loyal to her sister Junko even knowing that Junko was a crazed murderer and helped her set up the killing game so she could betray and murder her classmates, even pretending to be Junko for it to work properly. Junko promptly had Mukuro executed while disguised so she could fake her own death. Just to rub things in, it's noted that Mukuro had Super-Reflexes and could dodge any attack but couldn't get out of her execution because she never thought Junko would kill her, and her last words are "this wasn't supposed to happen."
  • The plot of Devil May Cry 5 is kicked off by Vergil's decision to split himself into his human and demon halves. He discovers seconds later that he is not The Unfettered demon Urizen but the helpless human V and spends most of the rest of the game trying to find someone powerful enough to defeat Urizen so they can reunite.
  • Dragon Age: Inquisition:
    • One of your mage companions, Vivienne, is strongly in favor of reinstating the Circle of Magi, under the reasoning that mages must be imprisoned and controlled by Templars for their own safety and the safety of the general public, and that so long as the mages behave themselves they'll be allowed to live. However, she submits to none of those restrictions, being the Court Mage to the Orlesian court and essentially living the free life of a noble while claiming every other mage should be contained for their own good.
    • Toyed with regarding the Venatori, one of the main antagonist factions. Their leader the Elder One wants to enter the Fade and claim the power of a god and use it to reshape the world and restore the Tevinter Imperium to its glory days. The Bad Future you see in one quest line is not hospitable to human life, let alone Tevinter's restoration, and several of the Venatori seem to think they'll be made the sole ruler of the world for their service while the Elder One takes up the position of deity, rather than simply another slave. However, it's unclear how much they know of his plans and their actual effects. The Venatori leader Calpernia, for example, is genuinely unaware that Corypheus plans to put her in a Fate Worse than Death situation to make use of the Well of Sorrows without suffering its side-effects himself, and when informed of this she immediately stops fighting and leaves to confront him.
    • In the Jaws of Hakkon DLC, the First Inquisitor Ameridan who was an elven mage was fine with his close personal friend Emperor Drakon leading religiously-motivated imperial expansionist campaigns against neighboring human kingdoms because Drakon assured him he and his descendants would always honor Dales elven sovereignty. When Ameridan learns that Drakon's own son annexed the Dales one short generation after he disappeared he's horrified, as he'd assumed that his people would be exempt from Drakon's imperial expansionism- albeit that this was because shortly after he disappeared, a series of tragic misunderstandings led to a severe and immediate deterioration in human/elf relationships that in turn provoked the war; Drakon's son probably would've kept his promise otherwise.
  • Dragon Quest VI: One optional area in the dreamworld is a "Groundhog Day" Loop of a king who decided to deal with the threat of the Archfiend by summoning an even bigger demon to kill it. The idea that they wouldn't remain in control past the first five seconds of the ritual didn't occur to them at all. If you actually fight and defeat this demon quickly enough, it turns out the plan wasn't as stupid as it seems: the demon cheerfully destroys the Big Bad in a humiliating Curb-Stomp Battle without taking any damage. The problem being that the demon will only respect anybody strong enough to beat him, and if you're strong enough to beat him that means you're also strong enough to Curb Stomp the Big Bad even without his help.
  • Dyztopia: Post-Human RPG: Detritus-12 is programmed to believe that non-humans are inferior in order to make her more compliant with President Zazz's plan to create a human supremacist society. However, Akari points out that androids like Detritus-12 will be considered a second class citizen who can be disposed of at any time.
  • Several of the debates in Exile Election involve this. For instance, Miori's debate revolves around the concept of a world where everyone's abilities are translated into stats, with this information being widely known. Most of her supporters naturally believe that their stats would be high enough that they'll be recognized as special and be treated accordingly. Ironically, Miori believes the exact opposite. She thinks her stats would be low enough that she'd be dismissed as worthless, and everyone would leave her alone and stop expecting anything from her.
  • Fallout: New Vegas: Vault 11's sadistic social experiment, revealed by their Overseer after they permanently sealed the exit, was to force the citizens into sacrificing one person a year or the vault would self-destruct. They unanimously decided to sacrifice their Overseer.

    This turned into a tradition of sacrificing their elected overseer at the end of every year, under the premise that the one with all the power is / will become an asshole and should pay the price. Which turned corrupt as the majority formed voting blocs to target minorities and annoyances, and the Justice Bloc's leader took full advantage of their influence to bully anyone into submission with threats of getting them or their loved ones elected, then get them elected anyway. Except one pissed-off victim intentionally got herself elected in a landslide with a string of bloc serial killings, and used her overseer powers to make all future sacrifices selected at random, screwing the blocs over with their own voting power and belief in electing a Strawman Political to blame.

    Which went horribly wrong as the formerly smug, untouchable Justice Bloc went berserk and launched an armed coup to reinstate their voting entitlements, sparking a bloody civil war that ended with the decimation of the vault. When the vault sang its final insult - unlocking the vault doors and praising the citizens for not sacrificing anyone that year (because they were too busy shooting each other) - four of the five survivors committed suicide from the realization that they only passed the Secret Test of Character by failing every other test of basic human decency. The sole survivor begged them to listen to the announcement that they could just leave, even after he personally insulted the Vault's AI and demanded it do their worst to try to make them listen to it (and oh, it did).
  • Knight Eternal: The people of Zamaste worship Zamas in the hopes that he'll spare them, but it's clear that Zamas has no intention of doing so and that he hates all mortals equally.
  • The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks: Chancellor Cole's plan rests on finding a suitable host for his master Malladus, but he breaks down in fear once Malladus chooses him after losing Zelda.
  • Neverwinter Nights 2: The Faceless Man, Big Bad of the Mask Of The Betrayer expansion, was once Akachi, the high priest of the dead god Myrkul, until he renounced his devotion to Myrkul and tried to storm the afterlife to liberate his wife's soul from the Wall of the Faithless. It sounds noble, and to an extent it was, but it is pointed out that Akachi had been gleefully condemning souls to the Wall for decades before his wife ended up there. He knew full well what Myrkul was doing (and what he was doing in Myrkul's service), as well as how corrupt the whole system was; he just didn't care until that corrupt system affected him and someone he cared about.
  • In Octopath Traveler II, Mugen is a very firm believer of Ku's Might Makes Right mentality and intends to conquer Solistia through military strength. He constantly talks about how the weak exist to either serve or get cut down by the strong. Once Hikari beats him in combat, however, Mugen refuses to accept his defeat or acknowledge that he's now one of the "weaklings" he looked down upon.
  • In Persona 5, many members of the Conspiracy are like this. They're fine with Shido causing people to have mental breakdowns as long as those breakdowns are people who are their rivals and enemies. However, few stop to think about the fact that his targets tend to be people who are dangerous to him. Such as people who know he's the one causing the breakdowns. They're far less happy when they realize (as they die) that they're on the chopping block as well.
  • This tends to be a problem with online trading in the Pokémon games. Players will often put up a freshly-caught and untrained Mon for offer while demanding you give them legendaries or max-levels in return, a trade they would've never accepted if made by someone else (a problem exacerbated in early iterations by a search UI that wasn't designed well enough to let players screen out bad offers properly). The addition of Wonder Trading, in which you trade Pokémon with a random player without knowing what you're going to get, has only made this worse, with everyone assuming THEY will be the one of the lucky ones.
  • Rise of the Third Power: Prince Gage initially bought into Emperor Noraskov's rhetoric of how some people are chosen as fate and others are disfavored by fate, and that the former group is morally superior to the latter regardless of circumstances. As a result, he's complicit in Noraskov's purge of dissenters and undesirables. He is eventually labeled a traitor for stopping the assassination of his fiancée, Princess Arielle, making him disfavored by fate according to this ideology.
  • The premise of Sea Salt. A seaside town has prospered by making a deal with Dagon. The game opens with the Archbishop praying to Dagon to find out which people need to be sacrificed for continued blessing. As soon as his own name is mentioned, he goes from happy obedience to stammering excuses about how he's too important. It's up to the player to command Dagon's minions and collect the payment the hard way.
  • Most representatives of the Chaos alignment in Shin Megami Tensei support the creation of a world where Might Makes Right because they believe they're strong enough to end up on top in such a world. Many don't take it well when the protagonist defeats them in battle, thus proving themselves stronger.
    • Accentuated in Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey. The Chaos ending is the typical scenario, transforming Earth into a world of survival of the fittest, though Humanity fails to take into account that demons are inherently stronger than them, so they're quickly wiped off the face of the earth. You're urged to take a plan B to do something similar, but by taking demons out of the equation.
  • Silent Hill 3: There's a notebook in the hospital that envisions the writer (most likely Leonard Wolf), as some righteous crusader defending the world from all the "unnecessary people" in it. As Heather reads the journal, she scornfully notes that she'd like to meet the lunatic who wrote it and ask if they think they're "one of the necessary ones".
  • Undertale: Flowey spends most of the game tempting the player character into killing everyone they meet and turning them into an unrepentant murderer, so they can destroy the world, due to his nihilistic Social Darwinist beliefs. If the player actually does so, he'll be much nicer towards them, praise their actions, and consider the two of them kindred spirits, up until he realizes an unrepentant murderer who kills everyone they meet won't exclude him from that.
  • Xenoblade Chronicles 3: Consul N is hit with this hard. After he imprisons Ouroborus and forces them to wait out the last month of Mio's life before Homecoming in an effort to break his reincarnation/clone Noah, it's revealed that his wife, Consul M, used her powers to swap bodies with Mio to both save her doppleganger's life and end her own. This leads N to have a complete mental breakdown as he realises that the woman he loved died and starts ranting how Noah couldn't save her despite that being his entire plan to torture Noah in the first place, and leaves him in a catatonic state while Noah's resolve is stronger than ever.

    Web Comics 
  • 8-Bit Theater:
    • Several times, including with the final boss, Black Mage has attempted to cozy up to whatever force of evil is attempting to destroy the world under the belief that they'll team up and get to do it together. Then said evil force makes it clear that this is not a case of Evil Is One Big, Happy Family and Black Mage will get destroyed along with everything else, forcing Black Mage to go back to the heroes.
    • At the end of the comic with it looking like the end is imminent, Thief attempts to back out thinking his wealth will allow him to live the good life in whatever's left. Black Mage and Red Mage have to point out to him that Money Is Not Power if there's no economy to support it. Thief is quick to return to world-saving as a result.
  • Freefall:
  • Modern MoGal has this light-hearted example in which a woman's question of what hairstyle her husband likes has his response followed by the woman and their daughter applying the suggested hairstyle to his long hair instead of the woman's shorter hair.
  • Quentyn Quinn, Space Ranger: Referenced when a group of Space Pirates who were fighting Quentyn find themselves helpless against a single Kvrk-Chk until Quentyn saves them.
    Quentyn: Omnibus, pirates and gangsters and other "outlaws" are nothing but arrogant children. They think that the rules are just there to spoil their fun, and that only wimps and losers live by them. And so they figure that being an outlaw makes them the biggest, baddest predators in the universe. They're dead wrong. What it makes them is rightful prey. Of the civilization they spurned, and of the things their civilization protected them from without their ever knowing. There are powers and principalities out there that pick their teeth with the bones of "big, bad outlaws" that wander out past the fence. Our three eyed buccaneers just learned that their worst nightmare is true: The bars on the cage aren't there to protect the tiger... and the tiger isn't them.
  • Something*Positive has an already-frustrated Davan makes a goth clubber start hitting himself for his desire for "divine Anarchy", giving an object lesson in this trope in the process.
    Davan: Bullshit! You want Anarchy?! This is Anarchy! Where the stronger rule the weak, and guess where your place is, Pugsley? Anarchy is your sixth grade gym class for all eternity!

    Web Original 
  • Played With in this article for The Onion, where a man expresses his desire to see all Mexicans deported from the United States, despite his love of Mexican food and being on good terms with all of the Mexicans that he knows.
    "But the rest of you, the ones I don't know personally, I won't miss you at all."
  • From Reddit's r/MaliciousCompliance, an expectant mother's mother-in-law decided "grandparents deserve a vote" on the names of the grandkids. OP agreed... and invited the other grandparents to the vote as well. Mother-in-law lost 4 to 2.
  • A thread on's forum concluded that of various fictional worlds, Star Trek's United Federation of Planets is probably the best one to live in, on grounds that, since you're far more likely to be some random average guy than one of the heroes of The 'Verse, the Federation's standard of living has a lot to recommend it.
    • Ironically, despite this, the site has sharply criticized Trekkies who wish the real future turns out like Star Trek, since the backstory makes it very clear that the 21st century is a time of complete societal collapse, with constant world wars and tyranny, and conditions reverting, all over the planet, to those of the worst of the worst Third World countries. Trek is one of those settings where things get much worse before they get better, and the fans forget that the only reason the 21st century doesn’t lead to a millennium-long dark age is because Zefram Cochrane makes contact with Vulcan, who restore Earth back to its prosperous state, but not before the viewers Longing for Fictionland would have suffered and likely died through many catastrophes in a row.
  • Lampooned in a widely-shared tweet by Adrian Bott:
    "I never thought leopards would eat MY face," sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.
This quote serves as the inspiration for the subreddit r/LeopardsAteMyFace, which documents several posts about this occurring in real life, as well as the "Leopards Eating People's Faces" Party meme.
  • There's a tiktok that presents the point of view of an Obnoxious Entitled Housewife who has spent her life supporting conservatives value and opposing feminism making a scene in a supermarket because "don't these people know - exceptions are supposed to made for you."

    Western Animation 
  • Amphibia: In "Toad to Redemption", Toadie was really eager for Toadstool to get the new job at Toad Tower, even complaining directly on why he would choose not to do it. But then he was told that he will have a new assistant once he was in charge of Toad Tower and Toadie will not come along, something Toadie didn't seem to have considered, after that, he was happy that Toadstool had decided to stay.
  • The Dragon Prince: When King Harrow was crowned, he told his wife about a dream he had where Lady Justice came to him and offered him a gift. He took her blindfold, and she explained how he should try to imagine he was not born with the wealth or position he has, or even the culture or skin color. Later in the episode, he tries to make good on this promise by offering supplies to a nearby kingdom suffering a famine — they don't have much to spare, so the same amount of people will starve, but half of them will be from his kingdom instead of all from his ally. However, he stumbles a bit when his court wizard offers him an alternative; kill a powerful magical creature and use its heart to bring fertility to the land. His wife points out that they don't even know if the creature is intelligent. They ultimately go through with it and it works, but it kicks off a Cycle of Revenge that results in Harrow's wife dead, the queens of the allied kingdom dead, himself dead years later, and brings the land within inches of war.
  • In the Family Guy episode "Padre de Familia", Peter, driven by Patriotic Fervor, demands that his company institute a policy of only hiring American citizens in order to weed out illegal immigrant workers. When the policy is passed, he approaches his mother to ask for a copy of his birth certificate, only for her to reveal that she was across the border at the time of his birth, and he was born in Mexico... and since he can't provide a birth certificate that demonstrates his citizenship of the USA, he gets fired as a result of the policy he helped implement.
  • In The Owl House, this is why several characters - including Odalia Blight and most of the nine Coven Heads - support Emperor Belos' plans for the Day of Unity despite knowing of its true purpose as a means of committing genocide. They naively assume that Belos will allow them to join him in the "paradise" that the Day of Unity will supposedly create, not realising that Belos fully intends to kill every single witch and demon on the Boiling Isles, without exception.
  • Sonic Boom: In the episode "Mister Eggman", Eggman signs up for the class of the Sadist Teacher Professor Kingsford and is eager to see who the "goat" - the student turned into the professor's Butt-Monkey - will be, not realizing that as one of his students, he's just as vulnerable to getting that position himself. Sure enough, it's Eggman who ends up being the goat.
  • Many Tom and Jerry shorts have Jerry seeming to favor having an Angry Guard Dog around since it usually gets Tom off his back and often getting kicks from watching a cat getting chased and tormented by the larger beast. Though, there are a few shorts where "said dog" doesn't just settle on the cat but then shows every bit of animosity on wanting to do the same to the mouse. Thus, Jerry then finds himself teaming up with Tom, with the two of them having to work together in order to deal with an aggressive and large canine bent on chomping them both.


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"Vilkiss Awakens". Angelise questions why the Norma and she in particular have to be imprisoned in Arzenal and enslaved to defend the world against the invading DRAGONs. Jill retorts that it was "normal" humans, like Angelise herself thought she was until recently, who made that rule. We're then shown a flashback to the pilot episode where Angelise supports soldiers seizing a toddler from her mother's arms only a day before her parents' deception to hide their Norma princess was uncovered.

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