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The Lancer or the Sixth Ranger has a disagreement with the hero. It could be philosophical or it could just be for the hell of it. This can be anywhere from tension to a refusal to fight to a downright Face–Heel Turn. The closest thing to The Starscream to happen to the good guys.

Can be Cain and Abel if they're brothers. Compare with Let's You and Him Fight, Fighting Your Friend and Headbutting Heroes.



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    Anime & Manga 
  • In Anohana: The Flower We Saw That Day, this essentially defines Jintan and Yukiatsu's relationship for most of the series. In fact, it's a more extreme example than most, as they are fairly bitter rivals for Menma's affections (though Yukiatsu is far more bitter about it), and haven't been friends since Menma died when they were all young. The only reason they even start hanging out again is to try and help Menma figure out her Unfinished Business so her spirit can move on to the afterlife.
  • Digimon Adventure: Yamato (Matt) and Taichi (Tai) come to blows more than once. However, the second time, WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon got into the mix (Digimon aren't Pokemon; usually, Agumon and Gabumon wouldn't fight for no reason just because their partners were fighting, but Gabumon felt that Matt really, really needed someone to be on his side no matter what at that moment.)
  • Naruto built up to his confrontation with Sasuke for the entire first part of the series. Their first pre-Face–Heel Turn fight (on the hospital rooftop) was this, but their second was the final and most intense battle in the entire arc. Then Part 2 starts foreshadowing this again. They've encountered each other, but it takes the entire series after all of the villains are taken care of and there are no more distractions for them to have a proper final battle.
  • One Piece:
    • After being treated to drugged food by a bunch of bounty hunters, Zoro the lancer beats the ever-loving crap out of them. Luffy wakes up, and thinks that Zoro just attacked the people who were nice to him and gave him food; a battle ensues.
    • Played much more seriously later in the Water 7 Arc. The fight results from a growing conflict between Luffy and Usopp, due to emotional problems Usopp started developing during the arc, and Luffy's decision regarding their ship (which Usopp was very fond of).
    • Played for Drama again, in Whole Cake Island arc, during the mission to retrieve Sanji. When Luffy finds the cook, he fights him to test if Sanji is really willing to leave the crew, or is only doing it to save his mates.

    Comic Books 
  • Batman, the Dark Knight of Gotham, has spent quite a few years fighting his son and former ally gone rogue Red Hood. Red's reasoning and just how darkly murderous and criminal he gets varies by writer, with the handy handwave of his dip in a Lazarus Pit and being beaten to death having thoroughly messed up his mental state and memories. This is often treated as the extreme extension of the fight Bruce and Jason had before Jason's death.
  • Teased but ultimately subverted in Batman Versus Robin Robin's body was being remotely controlled by Deathstroke at the time through his repaired spine.
  • Green Lantern: The fight between Hal Jordan and Guy Gardner to see who would be Earth's Green Lantern. John Stewart was committed to Oa at the time.
  • X-Men:
    • In a way, Xavier did this to Magneto.
    • Wolverine and Cyclops have had plenty of fights and arguments through the years.



  • This happens in the seventh Harry Potter book, when Ron leaves Harry and Hermione after getting into a fight with Harry in the woods.
  • Alex and Xander might be two halves in the same body, but in The Other Kind Of Roommate, they can be as good as enemies.
  • Star Wars Legends has Legacy of the Force, where just about everyone does this:
    • Han doesn't like that Luke puts Jacen and Jaina in danger, after what happened to Anakin...
    • Everyone abandons Jacen Solo.
  • Happens in the Witcher Saga between Geralt and by that point pretty much his Lancer Cahir, but Geralt does not yet fully trust him. Once accusations of betrayal begin to fly, a fight ensues. Bonus points for Milva beating up both to separate them. They remain on good terms afterwards.

    Live Action TV 
  • Lost:
    • Jack fights Locke on several occasions, most notably after Boone's funeral, as he blames Locke for his death, and after Locke kills Naomi at the end of season 3, damaging the remaining survivors' chances of being rescued by the freighter crew. In season 4, the two men split up and lead opposing factions, with Jack's group wanting to meet up with the freighter crew to be rescued, while Locke's group distrust the new arrivals and intend to prepare for war.
    • Jack also frequently comes to blows with Sawyer. They have an absolutely vicious fight at the end of season 5, when Sawyer tries to stop Jack carrying out his plan to detonate a hydrogen bomb on the Island in the 1970s in the hopes of preventing the original plane crash.
    • Locke gets into a fight with his own Lancer, Eko, over whether or not to push the button in the Swan at the end of season 2.
  • In Power Rangers Time Force, we get a knock-down drag-out between Wes and newly-minted Sixth Ranger Eric worthy of any battle with an actual evil Ranger. In the end, though, Eric does save Wes from being stranded in prehistoric times (after starting to leave, then going back.)
  • On Supernatural, Sam does this a lot.
  • In The Walking Dead, Rick and Shane often end up butting heads as Rick is more of a Wide-Eyed Idealist and Shane has an I Did What I Had to Do mentality.

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    Western Animation 
  • The 2011 adaptation of Thunder Cats is famous for the little... scuffle between Lion-O and Tygra. But the original Lion-O and Tygra also came to blows a few times.
  • In Xiaolin Showdown Raimundo, the lancer of the group, is often at odds with the other members and even Master Fung. At one point, he flat out disobeys direct orders from the latter and betrays Omi and his old master after being reprimanded, and turns to the opposing side for a brief period.


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