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  • Ok, I just didn't get: Alice Human Sacrifice; Wide Knowledge of the Late Madness; and Dark Woods Circus. Can anyone summarize them for me?
    • Well, first you gotta see an English sub of them. If you did, and still don't really get them, the general gist is:
      • Alice Human Sacrifice: 4 Alices go into the wonderland. The first one, Meiko, is a knight. She starts killing everything, and thusly gets locked up deep in the woods. The second one, Kaito, is a nice singer. He sings to the country. Sounds good, right? Nope. His words make the populace go crazy, and someone shoots him (or possibly he shoots himself). The third one, Miku, is a beautiful maiden. She makes everyone fall in love with her and do what she says. She is made queen of the country. She is stricken with fear of death, and hangs on so. And so she rules until there just isn't anything of her left. The fourth ones are Rin and Len. They get a letter from the queen asking them to come. They nearly made it, however they are murdered. Charming, no?
      • Wide Knowledge of Late, Madness: So, Miku has lost it. She gets sent to a mental hospital. But the patients start dissapearing. Miku learns what's happening. In the video I watched, we learn that our good friend Meiko has been killing them for whatever reason. Ah, that Meiko, always choppin' off heads... Of course, it's insanely scarier than how I can describe the plot.
      • Dark Woods Circus: Meiko (non-murderous this time) is the little girl that visits the circus. She first encounters Haku and Neru (although the song says "chairman", it's more like "chairwomen"), the stilt people. Then there's Rin and Len, the two-headed person. It's implied in the video that they were sewn together to get that way. Miku is the diva. She doesn't look all that freakish, until you notice that her legs seem to be those of some variety of animal, possibly a goat, donkey, or ostrich. Also, everything she sees rots away and turns into flowers. Kaito is the "blue beast who likes to eat things cold", who was apparently forced to eat human limbs (possibly his own—the outfit he was wearing didn't have arm holes) or starve, and developed a taste for them. There's also a blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo of Teto as the Hanging Clown, before she gets turned into rotten flowers by Miku's vision.
  • Why in the videos and such is Meiko always the killer, or at least leading people to certain doom? Well, for the Mind Screw-ish ones, of course.
    • Maybe because she wears red, the color of blood?
    • Also, Meiko is often portrayed as a Sadist or at least some kind of tendency towards violence, especially towards Kaito for some reason, so it is kinda logical to put her in these place.
    • Also she was Miss Vocaloid before Miku Hatsune (01), so that make her a Prototype (00).
      • The code on the side of Meiko reads as "CRV 1". Since Miku's code is "CV 01", it might be implied that Meiko's code is simply "1".
    • Making Meiko as the Sadist is also supported by her strong voice and her hot-blooded looking boxart.
  • Why is Black Rock Shooter so popular? I like the song and video myself, but I don't know why it's so popular that it gets its own series. In addition to that, exactly what is the story behind it? I read subs of the music video and couldn't make much out of it besides the fact that it might be set in a post-apocalyptic world.
    • Because it was produced by Ryo, who is considered god of all that is Miku. To relate his immense popularity, he is the guy who made Melt, which was played in Hatsune Miku's live concert and was sung by the android using her. The character is unrelated to Hatsune Miku, and the concept art is pretty wicked; with the gigantic boom of Vocaloid works know, Ryo producing the theme song, it became safe to produce an anime work. I don't actually know the plot either.
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    • Plot is basically about a girl who fights against an evil girl because someone (possibly the evil one) killed her friend. In the anime trailer, it hints that the evil girl is actually her friend who disappeared, but it might be just to mislead the public.
  • Alright, but how come the other Vocaloid songs don't get an anime? There are some extremely popular ones that would make it, such as the Daughter of Evil series.
    • Because Aku no Musume already has a Theater Play and Kokoro a musical. Not to mention that it's harder to make an anime out of four songs as the centerpiece instead of one (think of a sports team having four mascots). And even so, B* RS is only going to be fifty minutes. Released free online. Not such a big deal after all.
    • Daughter of Evil is actually getting manga series.
    • Kagerou Project has ten songs and is getting a novel series and manga, and possibly an anime in the future if the manga is popular. Daughter of Evil now has a novel series and there are 20+ songs attached to it by the original sin series, the seven deadly sin series, and the clockwork series. BRS not only has the OVA, but is now a full fledged anime series. The prisoner series also has novels. The amount of songs doesn't really matter, what matters is the amount of popularity the songs have and whether the creator of the songs wants to write novels or make deals to make anime series.
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    • There are several sources claiming that Miku will officially be getting her own animated series staring the "Mikuverse".
  • Throwing this idea out there for Impossibly Cool Clothes or similar topic: Miku's boots, assuming they don't have zippers: how can she get in or out of them? Yes, I am expecting "don't think too hard about that".
    • She's a robot. There's a chance that she is not wearing boots, and what look like boots are just the cover for her legs.
    • Apparently it has been sometimes stated that she actually wears low shoes with long stockings.
  • There's no official American release, is there?
    • Not American, but there are English Vocaloids. Lola, Leon, Prima, Miriam, and (hopefully) soon to be released Big Al and newly annouced Tonio. Also, Sonika is supposed to be able to sing in any language, but...
    • As of Nov 17, 2010, Miku's official Facebook page reached 39,390 likes, which Crypton annouced once that happened they would begin to work on an English release of Miku.
  • Some of the Magnet duets. Now most of the less obvious (obvious ones being the shared gender ones) ones can be explained. Meiko and Kaito? Those two are commonly interpreted as siblings, so it works. But would someone mind explaining how the heck a Gakupo and Luka one fits the theme of that song? Its not a love song, its a FORBIDDEN love song!
    • So, then... if it's heterosexual and it's not (questionably) incest, it can't possibly be forbidden love? That means Romeo and Juliet were siblings, then! Pretty much any Vocaloid couple can fit the Magnet song if you use a little bit of imagination. I'm certain that there are many reasons why a Samurai, whose class had strict codes on who they could marry and even who they could take as a * mistress* , would be forbidden to love a particular woman.
    • Or, maybe people just wanted to hear those particular voices singing that song.
    • The canon is pretty much "whatever the heck you think it should be" (with a few small exceptions here and there), so there's really no reason why any Vocaloid ship couldn't potentially be forbidden love, as long as somebody can come up with a scenario where it works. When there's minimal official canon, it's pretty easy to make anything work as long as you can imagine a backstory for it.
  • Why sometimes Kaito is named Shion Kaito on some videos?
    • It's his fanmade surname, but many seem to mistake it as official.
  • Why does everyone accuse Miku of being a Mary Sue? The only given reasons why are "she's pretty, has a nice voice, and people generally like her". Um...does that mean most Vocaloids are Mary Sues since they fall into those definitions too?
    • Yes. It's because pretty much all Vocaloid songs (and songs in general) rely on romanticized personalities; therefore, characters who's lives revolve around music = romanticized = mary sues.
    • Simple. On the many of the fan vids, she's this pretty, popular, nice, amazing girl who is loved by everyone and has every boy falling for her, and if she ever gets into trouble, it's only because she's so great. (Daughter of Evil, Alice Human Sacrifice come to mind). She's constantly shoehorned as the center of everything for no goddamned reason. It's Spotlight-Stealing Squad to the third degree, at least to the people who like other Vocaloids, to the point that a lot of people (and sometimes the creators, as seen in the merchandise) tend to tend to forget that other Vocaloids even exist.
      • That's really not Miku's fault though. And, in plenty of songs, she's a rather flawed individual (World is Mine is a very popular example, but Delusion Tax and Game of Life come to mind). Daughter of Evil and Alice Human Sacrifice are odd examples of her being a Mary Sue. If you're only going by the songs in the Story of Evil, you could make the argument "Len" is a Gary Stu, as he's practically a tragic martyr for his sister (and dies because of his "greatness"), and "Haku" is a Sue, since she's practically an innocent saint who forgives her lover's murderer. Also, the Story of Evil is not a stand alone story, it belongs to the Evillious Chronicles, where none of these characters are actually Vocaloids, and there are MANY screwed up characters portrayed by "Miku", some of which end up quite hated (you'll also find Len is basically everywhere, more so than Miku, in that series). And Michaela, the "Miku" in Story of Evil, has her own flaws once you get deeper in the story (just like "Len" and "Haku"), having to learn how to understand love and human emotions and screwing up the Freezis Organization. And in Alice Human Sacrifice, it's made pretty clear Miku wasn't really a good person. She charmed the people to do her bidding, which ended up with her making "a strange green country", becoming Queen. That doesn't sound like a good person, that sounds like a power hungry manipulator, much like how Kaito, who was gentle and also beloved by the people, spread madness everywhere. And her fall had NOTHING to do with her being so "great", it was because she was so obsessed with her superficial beauty (which is how she got her power in the first place) that she fell into madness. She, like all the Alices, is supposed to be messed up, not "great". And as for being a Spotlight-Stealing Squad, again, that's hardly her fault, that's just what happens when you're popular.
  • Which version of these songs are the creator version of them?
    • Dreaming Leaf - Miku or Rin
    • Migikata no Chou - Rin or Len
    • Cantarella - Kaito or Kaito X Miku
      • Miku's version of Dreaming Leaf was first (by OSTER project), Rin's version of Migikata no Chou was first (although Len's version was also made by the same creator, Nori-P), and the Kaito X Miku version was first (by Dios/Signal-P).
  • Why the credits of Sakura no Ame shown when the song is played Hatsune Miku Project Diva is not Halyosy despite he is the song creator? Or the kanji shown is Halyosy's real name?
    • The kanji shown is Halyosy's real name.
  • Is Miku's or Luka's version of Stardust Utopia the song creator's version of it?
    • It's Luka's (by otetsu).
  • What bugs me is when new fans call Rin and Len "Lin and Ren" or Luka as "Ruka". It says it right there on the box people! One fan even accused the Japanese creators of being "wrong" about the names!
    • There's something in the Lin/Ren names that makes it easy to mix up.
    • Japanese has no L sound, so the two are interchangeable.
    • Not when their names are literally on the box.
      • What box?
      • The products' boxes. Their names are also written as "Kagamine Rin/Len" and "Megurine Luka" on official websites, events and so on. Many japanese producers/illustrators are not aware of this, hence the confusion with the katakana.
  • Considering the sheer amount of tweaks one has to go through to get a vocal track to sound right, it Just Bugs Me that so many listeners dismiss Vocaloid songs as cheap, lazy Auto-Tune crap — and a lot of this bashing seems to come from people who never liked Jpop (or pop in general, really) all that much to begin with.
  • Okay, as a Mac user myself, I find it really frustrating that the VOCALOID programs are not available for Macs (or at least the ones that I looked into so this might not be completely true). This seems unfair seeing as I don't want to have to go out and buy a compatible computer so as to use the software and since it doesn't seem like they're planning to release them for Macs, it just bugs me even more.
    • Using MikuInstaller or Wine (since they're both built in the same platform) works like a charm. Absolutely no bugs. (Mac user here who's tested it out.)
    • There is a Vocaloid called Macne Nana who works with Garage Band.
    • As of 2013, Vocaloid NEO is available. It's intended to be a version of Vocaloid compatible with Macs. Unfortunately, only a certain amount Vocaloid voicebanks were released/re-released on Vocaloid NEO.
  • Who is exactly Team MOER? The one who is behind the Project DIVA 2nd song Colorful X Melody.
    • It's a team of doriko, OSTER project, minato, and 19's Sound Factory.
  • What is Rin/Len's 'Karakuri Burst' about? Rin's a kunoichi and Len's a...nazi? And Miku and Kaito are their bosses respectively? I can't find any explaination's of the plotline and the lyrics don't translate into a story very well...
    • Some people believe that Rin and Len were seperated at birth, and one was taken and raised as "Good," and the other as "Evil." They are pitted against each other by the kidnappers, and then they remember their childhood and realise they're related. If you really analyze the lyrics, though, it seems like both of the verses are equally chaoruppt even though Rin seems more pshyco and Len is just very to-the-book.
    • The PV and the lyrics indicate they were separated, but not as children: A flashback in the PV shows a teenage/adolescent Len reaching out for Rin, who's being taken away by people in labcoats. Rin was presumably given to Miku, who seems to be some kind of Mad Scientist, and probably experimented on, while Len was inducted into the state, of which Kaito is an officer. At some point Rin snaps and starts killing, so Len, now part of the not-Gestapo, is sent to take care of it; during the fight, they recognize each other.
  • I just wanna see if I can get this straight... Vocaloid's popularity is mostly from the Miku cover of Ievan Polka, right? And that's a parody of the leekspin meme, which is the clip of Orihime spinning a leek. So is Vocaloid basically famous because of Bleach?
    • Not nessecarily. The three songs that contributed to Miku's success(which is what started the vocaloid boom, not many knew about Kaito/Meiko even though they came out before Miku) are Miku Miku ni Shite Ageru, Koisuru VOC@LOID, and Packaged. Ievan Polkka did help a little bit, and was also the origin of Hatchune Miku, the chibi Miku character.
  • Is Crypton going to finish CV04 or is he going to end up as Vaporware? Cause I seriously hope it's not the latter...
    • They're probably just holding off until they get all their other projects (Kaito and Meiko Append, English Miku, Vocaloid 3 engine, Vocalistener, etc.) done. Luka hasn't been out for too long either, so there's no rush.
    • Word of God has confirmed that it's still in production. They're not listing him as CV04 anymore, though (they're calling him "male vocal").
    • As of 2019, it's probably safe to call him vaporware. He was announced a decade ago, yet virtually nothing has been announced since - not even a proper name.
  • Why would Kasane Teto is included as Project DIVA 2nd DLC? Isn't that she is an UTAU?
    • I think she was recently canonized.
      • It was probably more just a nod to her popularity; she's definitely still an UTAU. Crypton, in particular, has been receptive to recognizing that supporting Vocaloid/UTAU producers in general only helps their particular products. In SEGA's case, it's probably more a case of adding a popular character folks will pay money for as a DLC.
  • In Regret Message, there are two videos that have different translations of the third and fourth lines of the first verse: "By this sea, there existed / An ancient tradition from long before" and "Looking out to the sea that holds her memories / A story that she cannot tell". Which one is the right one?
    • The correct translation is "By this sea, there existed / An ancient tradition from long before".
      • To add on to this, the "ancient tradition" is the one that began in Twiright Prank, when Len/Allen was told of the legend of the glass bottle. He would send his wishes into the sea in a letter in a glass bottle to be granted.
  • Ok, one thing I'm suprised no one has asked about: does anyone have any theories for what the flying fiddle-faddle The Tower of Sunz is about? I've thought of a few, but whenever I feel like I've answered it, more questions show up.
    • If I remember correctly, the lyrics are about self-loathing. As for the PV... who knows?
  • What's exactly happens at the end of Imagination Forest?
    • Mary (the albino girl) meets Seto (the boy) and he thinks she is just a shut in. She realizes she won't turn someone to stone just by looking at them and is relieved. He gives her his jacket which she takes and decorates with flowers. He comes back when he is older with a friend of his and she joins his group of friends. Try watching the updated MV of the song or watching some of the other songs in the series (Children Record, Kisaragi Attention, Artificial Enemy, Blindfold code, Kagerou Days, Konoha No Sekai Jijou).
  • I'm a bit confused here. What belongs to SEGA, what belongs to Yamaha, what belongs to something else, and what is GNU/public domain?
    • The Vocaloid editor software was created by Yamaha. Voice banks are created by specific companies which use the editing program. SEGA makes the Project Diva games using Crypton's voice banks/characters and songs produced by people who purchased said software. (On the character page, the voice banks are broken down into which company created them.) So, software = Yamaha, specific voice banks = varying companies, and SEGA = Project Diva games.
      • A late thank you. I was wondering about this since there was a small group of people who wanted to get Miku into Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed, and I was wondering what SEGA actually owns.
  • Why are there so few songs sung by Rin and Gakupo, or Len and Gumi? Their voices sound AMAZING together, but I can barely find any...
    • Most likely Shipping reasons. How many Rin and Len Twincest songs are there?
    • You can find quite a few songs using these voicebanks on VocaDB - here's Rin and Gackpo and Len and GUMI. Do note that this doesn't include songs that use their Appends or equivalent voicebanks (it's a long story, but derivative voicebanks like Appends are kept separate from the 'base' voicebank on VocaDB), so these listings may not be entirely complete. If you want it to be more specific to songs using only Rin and Gackpo/Len and GUMI, adding the 'duet' tag may help.
  • What happened in the Onibi/Fox Wedding Series by Masa? After listening to all the videos I'm still confused as hell. By the way did I get the sequence right?

    • 1. The Spider and the Kitsune like Lion
    • 2. Will o Wisp
    • 3. Fox Wedding
    • 4. Beheading Dance
    • 5. The Beautiful Shadow of the Demon's Frenzied Dance
    • 6. The Clear Demonic Mirror
    • 7. Death, Misfortune and Amanojaku
    • 8. My Seventh Celebration
    • 9. Your Heart and I Becoming One
    • 10. Star Lily Dance Performance Capital (Comedy End?)
  • A bit more meta, but why is it that a lot of Japanese-made Vocaloid PVs have Epileptic Flashing Lights, but they never have the proper warnings for it (as least as far as I've seen - LUVORATORRRRRY!, for example, is one of the worst offenders), at least in comparison to Western PVs? It's not like the authors always completely skimp out on adding otherwise appropriate content warnings (like this PV, or in the description of this song), and it DEFINITELY isn't like photosensitive epilepsy is unknown in Japan, either.


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