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Why do Bayaz and Khalul fight?

  • In Last Argument of Kings we learned that Bayaz happily employs Eaters of his own, that he considers the First Law to be meaningless and he did in fact kill Juvens. So if he has no grounds for looking down on Khalul, why does he want to destroy him so badly?
    • I always thought it was because Khalul wants to kill HIM for killing Juvens. So he has to kill Khalul first. And also because he really hated Khalul for reasons going way back. You can say this for Bayaz, he can hold a grudge and he never lacked in arrogance. I don't really think Bayaz needs a reason though.
      • That was probably the original case, but I think the books are pretty clear that it's basically a pointless, murderous personal feud between the two of them by the time of the books. That's part of the general subversion of fantasy stereotypes that Abercrombie does in the First Law Trilogy, with the "great quest" and/or "epic conflict" being nothing more than the personal enmity between two powerful beings.
    • Because they're both huge assholes who don't like each other. During their journey through the Old Empire Bayaz recounts to the rest of the party that he and Khalul were such bitter rivals while studying under Juvens that the old mage had to separate them to opposite corners of the Circle of the World in the hopes that they'd cool down and no longer be at each other's throats. It's basically an old, petty rivalry that's been going on so long it's likely neither party remembers what started it.

Why did Tul Duru get himself killed?

  • Supernatural origins or not, Logen's persona as the Bloody Nine is very similar to a berzerker rage, which is not unknown in societies like like the Northern tribes. Crucially, this also means people generally know how to recognize and deal with berzerkers- namely, stay the hell away from them. So, why did Tul Duru "Thunderhead," one of the Named Men who had been travelling with Logen for some time, fail to recognize Logen was in his angry place and insist on walking up to him?
    • It actually doesn't seem as if the Northmen do know what a berserker rage is. The way they treat Crummock-i-Phail suggests that they prefer to do war professionally, and that people who start killing indiscriminately in that way make them nervous. No one seems to actually understand that the Bloody Nine and Logen are two separate personalities; the fact that he doesn't act like the Bloody Nine normally just cements in their heads the knowledge that he's a crazy, unpredictable fucker.
      • Whether berserker rage is common in the North or not, everyone knows that Logen can be a totally unhinged lunatic. On top of that, Tul Duru has been fighting with Logen long enough that the Bloody Nine shouldn't have come as a surprise.
      • Something that bears pointing out re: "berserker rage or not" is that one person that the Bloody Nine acknowledged as being on his side was Ferro who has Other Side blood in her, however many generations removed. Could it be that the Bloody Nine is a low-key Demonic Possession?
    • It's worth noting at this point in the books the northmen have been defending a siege for seven days, which throws up several explanations. 1) Logan had fought for seven days without the Bloody Nine taking over once. Why would Tul assume that at this point, the Bloody Nine take would take over, when it had not happened so far in the whole battle? 2) Logen had gone down in the middle of a pitched Melee. If Tul had not pulled him out, he'd be dead. 3) Tul had been fighting for seven days. Even if he should have noticed that Logen was about to go crazy (as he'd see it) there is a damn good chance that he was acting on instinct.
    • It's also pretty clear that he thought Logen was about to die; he really just made a serious misdiagnosis.
    • There's a scene in LAoK where Crummock says to Logen that the two of them have a habit of being "none too particular" about who they kill when the fighting gets rough. That's probably about as far as the Northmen's knowledge of berserker rage goes.
    • I think the truth is that the Northmen do know what a Berserker Rage is...and they know that this kind of stuff ain't no Berserker Rage. Similarities aside, the simple fact is that Logen was not suffering from that and if Crummock-i-Phail is an example of what it is like, then consider that even he thinks that Logen is seriously f*cked up in the head. And I think from Black Dows point of view that wasn't just a berserker going nuts; from what he saw Logen looked at his victims and not only killed them anyway, he let the enemy take the fall for it. Even if it was berserker rage, Logen was apparently calculating and cold blooded after the fact and obviously isn't going to let it get to him that he murdered kids and his own ally. A Berserker Black Dow could let slide; the Logen he thought he saw is a bastard even he can't stomach, and definitely can't tolerate being made King since he'd probably butcher them all. As far as Tul is concerned, this still applies- even Berserkers don't do what Logen did('nt).

Why did Goyle cover up Quai's murder?

  • Forgive me if I missed it, but I cannot recall any point in the trilogy we are given any inkling that Goyle is so much as aware of Tolomei, let alone any indication that he could possibly be in cahoots with her, or even any reason that he might have to end Glokta's investigation. So what's up with that "dogs!" scene?
    • Unless Abercrombie brings him back as a protagonist in a later book, there probably wasn't meant to be anything sinister about it. Goyle is just all-around stupid and corrupt, and hostile to Glokta.
    • Goyle was, like most higher-ups, being paid off by Valint and Balk. Bayaz knew of Glokta's interference from the moment he asked Severard to investigate the bank, and Goyle's strange behavior when talking to Glokta is explained by the same fear exhibited by everyone who works for Bayaz.
    • In addition to this, we know that Goyle was involved with Sult's and the Adeptus Demonic's plans to tamper with the Seals. Neither of them know that Tolomei or any other eaters are loose in the Agriont, but here's a partially eaten body, so their first thought likely was "one of us or someone working for one of us is likely responsible, so let's get this covered up as quiet as we can".
    • It's also revealed by the end of the trilogy that Bayaz's main servant, Yoru Sulfur, is himself an eater. Sulfur's also the one who's been doing the majority of the coordination for Bayaz's activities through Valint & Balk, thus it's not unreasonable to assume that he's instructed the officials he has under his thumb to turn a blind eye to any of the murders he commits in service of supporting his powers as an eater. Since Goyle didn't know about Tolomei's existence it's likely he assumed Quai's murder was Sulfur's work and knew that was something the Inquisition is absolutely not supposed to stick their noses into.

Is Glotka castrated?

  • I may have missed it but so far as I can recall it's not expressly confirmed. It would seem likely given everything else but it's also possible they found it amusing to ruin him in every other way physically but leave him with the desire for women. If he's not it makes the scene where Ardee says they'll be sleeping together more touching.]]
    • I don't recall it, and I think it's unlikely. Glotka thinks about his injuries a lot, so if something like that had happened to him, he'd most likely dwell on it in particular. If he were mentally broken, one could argue that he couldn't face reality enough to acknowledge it, but Glotka is pretty sane and quite frank about his current physical state.
    • Don't know why I remember this, but Abercrombie was asked (I think in an AMA) about the state of Glotka's genitals and he answered "Tender". So, not castrated but probably not really capable of sex. Fits in with how he was similarly left his teeth and legs but in a so injured state as to be useless- almost worse/crueler than removing them.
    • He also mentions several times that he has to piss sitting down, so it's likely that his penis is maimed in some way that would make sex difficult and painful, but he still has a full set of genitals.
      • Having to piss sitting down could be completely explained by his leg injuries, which make it painful to walk and require a cane. He'd either have to set his cane down and hold himself up without it while pissing or lean on his cane and have only one hand to take care of business. Neither seems preferable to simply sitting down.

Do dentures not exist in this world?

  • It seems like at least a portion of Glotka's despair and woe might be solved by some rudimentary false teeth, even if it's just some twisted wires with animal bone/lower-class citizen's teeth. The technology existed in 5th century BCE Rome, so the "oh, their tech wasn't advanced enough" excuse doesn't hold water.
    • His teeth weren't just pulled out with pliers, they were shattered while still attached, with the pieces driven deeper into his gums and left there - his mouth is likely too sensitive for any sort of dentures.

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