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  • Four different continuities? Really, Mattel?
    • Maybe it would just be easier to say "No Continuity."
      • The diaries, webisodes & tv special seem to all fit somewhere in the same general idea/universe, the book though is just the series In Name Only
      • Don't Forget that the webisodes have Negative Continuity too (like Lagoona being a cheerleader in early shorts)
      • It is possible that Lagoona was only auditioning. However, since she is the one who lets Frankie on the team, it seems less likely.
      • Mattel has since fixed this. The first book series was always a separate canon, season 1 and New Ghoul @ School have been retconned out save for small references like Draculaura having once dated Heath, and Canon Welding has made the diaries, season 2 and 3, and all the other specials into a cohesive series. Everything that has come out since has been part of that canon as well.
      • Actually the tv specials and websodes are the same continuity, as well as the diaries, with only a few incongruences so they are just two or three continuties the websodes/tv special/movies, the boks and the dairies that tie in to the movies.

  • Why does everyone seem to think Lagoona is the daughter of the Creature from the Black Lagoon? She's just the daughter of sea monsters. Gil, her crush, is OBVIOUSLY the Creature's son.
    • Oh, and Cleo's parents are never named. She's just the daughter of the Mummy.
      • It has more to do with iconic monsters from old film. Lagoona's name is a reference to Creature from the Black Lagoon. Sea Monster is just too vague. We'll have to wait for more information on Gil before we treat him like Gill-man's son. For Cleo, it's somewhat implied to be Imhotep. I think the series is more or less a Shout-Out to old monster movies in general.
      • Actually her father has been named Ramses De Nile. He's even going to make an appearance in the movie Ghouls Rule.
      • Gil looks more like the Creature than Lagoona, and the titular Mummy of the old movies had his name changed in the sequel to Kharis. I know my Universal Horror, thanks.
      • Just about every old movie sea monster looked the same. While they might be ripping off the Gill-man design, Gil represents the rather generic look that these sea monsters have. Heck, by that argument alone we could say plenty of the other background sea monsters in the webisodes could be Gill-man's kids as they also look more like him than Lagoona.
      • I've always thought that Lagoona was the daughter of the Loch Ness Monster. But in a recent webisode it states that Lagoona is a Salt-water monster. So no lake based monsters.
      • Now we have the actual Loch Ness Monster girl, Lorna McNessie.
      • It has been explained in Lagoona's newest diary that her mother is an Ocean Nymph. She is the first known mixed monster.
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    • Gil is the son of Abe Sapien.
      • That's exactly what I thought!
    • Officially Jossed: a recent webisode showed that both of his parents are gigantic featureless sea slugs. Only that raises the question of how two giant sea slugs have a son who is not only humanoid, but has the features of a fish.
      • Maybe he's adopted?
      • Slugs? I thought they were like Krakens and we were watching only one of their tentacles each. They spit ink. Maybe Gill’s species is more humanoid when is very young and became big and monstrous with time like Father Dagon and Mother Hydra (parents of the humanoid Deep Ones) in Lovecraft’s lore.

  • Little bout of Fridge Brilliance. In Heath's debut webisode Draculaura keeps swooning over him, but in his later appearances she doesn't appear to like him as much. Why? Because at some point she probably realized what he meant with "You look horrible! ...I like that in a girl!" and dumped him for being too narcissistic.
    • I really don't think that's the case. Heath still pursued Draculaura until Clawd took interest in her. He is going after Abbey in the diaries. Tell me if I'm getting this wrong, but it sounds like you think Heath only took interest because he will look better by comparison?? He's full of himself, but not that full.
      • I prefer a simpler explanation: She went out with him, saw what a tosspot he was, and declined to continue dating him. Recall that in the webisode where Heath challenged Clawdeen to a race (which took place between his debut and Draculaura falling for Clawd), she clearly wanted nothing to do with him.

  • Holt's face tattoo. . . It's silly, but Jackson and Holt share all other body modifications. So how does Holt have the facial tattoo but not Jackson? Is it actually just make up or something?
    • Holt has never referred to his facial mark as a tattoo. It is probably another part of the transformation with the blue skin and flaming hair.

  • If Clawdeen and her siblings are werewolves, how come they're always wolves? Aren't werewolves humans who only transform into wolves under certain phases of the moon?
    • In this universe, werewolves and other werebeasts are essentially hybrids. The full moon does make the werewolves unruly and even more wolf-like. The real life answer is probably just aesthetics and the doll line would stick out with a character that doesn't resemble a human so easily.

  • Is there any evidence whether Frankie is made from dead people or not? In the original story Frankenstein couldn't use dead people, in at least one remake he used dead body parts.
    • You know what might be the case Frankie might be like Edward Scissorshands, in the movie he was artificially made instead of using actual dead parts and this might explain why Frankie looks like that women from Skull Shores. This either means that her father got the girls body and used it or used the women's likeness to make Frankie and if that's so then... Jesus her parents are genius! I mean wasn't in the book The monster was dumb now he can make his own kid whether it be artificial or real? But you know he could've made her both ways explaining why her hand can come off at will and not bleed in the Monster high book though when her head fell off she was out for awhile so yeah it could go either way but I'd like to think the parents used both.
    • I think you're mistaken. In Mary Shelley's Frankenstein (the book, not the adaptation with Robert de Niro), Victor Frankenstein specifically mentions that he cannot bring CORPSES back to life, but he does get parts from slaughter houses and morgues. But to answer your question, it is never explicitly mentioned if Frankie was made in the same way, although the fact that she is very clearly made from sown-together parts might suggest it.
      • I actually don't want to think of where he might've gotten teen girl body parts from, because most dead teen girls die through pretty terrible means and I don't like to think he got some suicidal teen girl body parts, lets just have how she was made be kept secret.
    • I can't speak for the dolls/webisodes, but in the books, Frankie's dad explains that he made her parts himself. Exactly what they're made out of isn't specified, but it's implied to be artificial, not made from actual dead people. But it could mean that he found said teen girl body parts and fixed them up so Frankie would not look grotesque like he did, so it could be either way
    • Well, she CAN detach body parts without bleeding, and can even remote control her own hands. Whatever she's made from, the separate parts to seem to be able to exist split from the whole.

  • So exactly how long does Deuce's stoning last? One webisode has him mention that it'll wear off quickly, a later one shows that he accidentally stoned his pet dragon and only knows it'll wear off on a future anniversary of the day of the accident, and the recent television special had him state that there's no way to determine how long until it wears off. So which is it?
    • There's no way of knowing, but the rule of thumb for Deuce is 24 hours.
    • Fridge Brilliance if you think about it. Deuce was just a child when he accidentally petrified his pet; in real life the bite of a rattlesnake is deadliest when it's very young, before it learns to control the dosage of its venom.
    • Or he's learned to control it better since then.

  • Why did they give Draculaura two beach-themed dolls? Why not give a character like Spectra(who currently only has one doll while Drcaulaura has 6 other dolls not counting Gloom Beach and Skull Shores) one instead?
    • Ghoulia and Frankie are in both Gloom Beach and Skull Shores. In the trailer for the Skull Shore specials, we do see Clawdeen and Cleo are wearing new outfits as well, so they might even get a short SS release. As to why Draculaura for her 'special treatment' in getting two beach outfits, she is the most popular character amongst the demographic.
    • I just blame Executive Meddling as always.
    • She is getting a 3rd, with the 2013 beach line.

  • Why do so many people take Spectra's account of Toralei's history as being canon? Beyond the usual bit of Fan Dumb at play, it seems a lot of MH fans accept Spectra's film without questioning it. Do they forget-
    • Spectra is known to get info completely wrong.
    • The webisode claimed that Toralei and the werecat twins are all orphans. At the very least, the twins' diary says numerous times that they still live with their parents (can anyone with Toralei's diary confirm if it also says she lives with her parents?).
    • Toralei merely said she liked the film- she didn't say whether or not any of it was true. After all, the film did seem to give her more "street cred" as a tough person with a rough past.

  • Why does Jinafire Long, daughter of the Chinese Dragon, have fire as her element? Isn't the Chinese Dragon water based? For that matter, why is she hot-tempered? Shouldn't she be difficult to rattle and have a calming influence on people? I've never even studied Chinese mythology, I just recalled someone ranting about how Mushu should also be water based (probably on this very website), checked Google, and skimmed a couple links. It's not that hard to do basic research.
    • Out-of-Universe explanation: Mattel probably thinks kids won't know that Chinese dragons are different from Western ones and will be confused if she doesn't have. In-Universe explanation: One of her parents is a Western dragon, or is part Western dragon, so while her appearance and culture is Chinese her powers and attitude come more from the Western side of the family.
    • Funnily enough, she will become a water dragon when she combines with Lagoona in the Freaky Fusion line/special.

  • Is there any relation between Operetta and Mr. Rotter? She's the Daughter of the Phantom of the Opera, and he's physically modeled after the Lon Cheney Phantom.

  • Why is Cupid's daughter at Monster High?
    • Really why is the daughter of Cupid even present at MH, I mean the last time I checked Cupid is not a monster so why is his kid here? It really doesn't make any sense to me, whats next the Easter Bunny's kids will be attending MH as well?
    • C.A. Cupid is adopted. So yes, Cupid is not a monster, but his daughter happens to fall into that category. (I believe she's described as an "elemental" something.)
    • It seems like the writers took notice of this, as they transferred her to Ever After High

  • Another Question about C.A. Cupid, is why is she adopted? I mean Cupid was married! So why is his kid adopted?
    • ...Being married doesn't mean you can't adopt kids.
      • True, but I don't think she ever mentions her mother or adoptive sibling(s).
    • Her diary says she was left on their doorstep.
    • Because Eros' "canon" daughter is the goddess of orgasms. I don't think Mattell was gonna let that slide, high school valentines day special or not.

  • Was it just me or was that a play on the Law and Order SVU theme song playing during the courtroom scene in Frights, Camera, Action?

  • I see a bit continuity snarl in the specials. In "Ghouls Rule" and a couple of earlier specials, it's implied that Monsters are the minority and Humans the dominant species. However in later specials like "Scaris: City of Frights" it's shown as if monster are the only species and humans, with exceptions like Jackson Jekyll, are largely forgotten. Any ideas?
    • They probably realized the potential Unfortunate Implications of that plotline and decided to drop it, most likely.
      • Not for long though, as the new Generation brings it back and put it in the focus, in essence fusing the book series with the web series.

  • The real headscratcher is HOW ON EARTH WAS SIRENA EVER CONCEIVED?! We know one of her parents is a mermaid, here we already have a huge anatomical impoediment for one side of her faily, and the other being a ghost... how coud he possibly knock up a sold? It makes sense a mermaid gets pregnant from another merman, but a ghost! How was the mechanic involved?"
    • Perhaps her mermaid/merman parent made a deal with a sea witch to make it possible. If Ariel could make it so she could get legs, perhaps a more outlandish desire like 'I really, really love this ghost and I want a family with him/her, make it happen.' is possible.

  • If Draculaura has turned 1600 (and it's treated like a regular birthday), does that mean she ages? And if she's aging one year every hundred years, does that mean her friends are soon going to be far older than her (and even die)? Plus, if she's known Clawd and Clawdeen since they were kids, isn't her relationship with the former a little... creepy?
    • This is a children's franchise, so I highly doubt they thought through the implications all that much. People in the target age range, after all, probably wouldn't consider any of that stuff very deeply, if at all. Now, to actually answer parts of your question, I doubt vampire birthdays are considered all that important. This is Draculaura we're talking about, and she's definitely the sort who would throw a party for any reason she could; her birthday could just be an excuse to have one more party a year, and to get presents. Plus, 1600 years falls evenly into a whole new century, which could make it a comemorable occasion. I don't think she ages past the age she turned into a vampire. This likely is true of some of her friends, but not all of them. Cleo's functionally immortal as well, as long as she keeps her bandages on, and doesn't seem to age at all; Ghoulia and Spectra are more likely than not already dead, so they can't exactly age themselves (depending on how MH defines zombies/ghosts, which isn't entirely clear). Gigi's probably older than Draculaura is as well, though she might age; we don't know if she was born as a teen or not. I don't know if Frankie would really age at all, either, since she's not a biological human. Honestly, most of the student body is far older than they appear, and many of them seem to be immortal. The biggest question is probably whether or not the immortal students have just been held back a lot.

  • Meta question here. Besides the obvious (they're a line of fashion dolls), why are all of the monsters similar to conventionally attractive humans? Sure, they all have a few weird details, but on the whole, they all look like models. Is there any reason for the children of more bizarre monsters like the Hydra or a corpse flower to be humanoid? Do we really want to know?

  • Although she doesn't attend the titular school, why is Mouscedes King, the daughter of a fairy-tale villain in the Monster High line instead of Ever After High?
    • Most likely to tie into Boo York, Boo York's foreshadowing the crossover that eventually happened in the Lost Movie. Same with how Astranova would fit better into the scrapped Luna High and Elle and Dayna would likewise correspond to the Robo and High Seas trademarks. Sadly, with Generation II on the horizon, we probably won't get a full fleshed-out cosmology.

  • Why is Meowlody included in the Ghouls' Getaway line when she, Purrsephone, and Toralei are inseparable characters, mainly due to the twins' flatness?

    • Probably because the doll diaries have been developing the twins as separate individuals for years and Mattel wanted to put their dolls where their mouth was.

  • How do Peri and Pearl move around? In real cases of dicephalous conjoined twins, it's been proven that each twin controls the limbs on their side of the body, which applies to the arms, but as the Serpentines have one tail instead of a pair of legs, who controls their lower body and how?

  • What kind of monster is the CAM Three-Eyed Ghoul?

  • Why are the Blue family the only known residents of the Great Scarrier Reef with humanoid legs? Yes, Lagoona was conceptualized before her backstory and place of origin were developed, but it only makes her fish transformation seem out-of-place.

  • Much like how Briar really should have been in Dragon Games, there are some weird decisions about who the specials leave out of their main casts. Jackson and Holt are barely in Freaky Fusion, likely because their role as Frankie's love interest was being supplanted by Neighthan, at least temporarily; however, being half human and half monster, with all the drama that's caused them in the past, and already sharing a body would have made them perfect candidates for main cast. The de Niles are Jinafire's host family (according to doll diaries; Ghoulfriends puts her in a dorm with Skelita, but nothing else even mentions the school having dorms), so she really should have been in Boo York, Boo York. Frankie is the main character of Generation I, with Draculaura only replacing her in Generation II, so why hasn't she shown up in the Lost Movie at all? And Lagoona did have a major role in Freaky Fusion, but it should have been a completely different one, since the movie didn't even acknowledge that she is a Hybrid herself! It also seems odd that Sirena became a prominent character after Freaky Fusion, but she didn't appear in Great Scarrier Reef, which might have given her a chance to learn more about her mermaid side.
    • These odd character choices even occur in the other lines. For example, the Music Festival line left out music-themed Operetta, Gloom and Bloom left out Honey and Skelita, who definitely have floral themes, and Meowlody is inexplicably included alone in the Ghouls' Getaway line. Abbey didn't get a Monster Exchange doll, despite accompanying Mari to the train station and recieving a Monster Picchu makeover in the process. There's also the glaring omission of a Great Scarier Reef doll for Gil.
      • Perhaps the most obvious example of WTH, Casting Agency? is the second wave of the swim line: Frankie, Holt, and Rochelle. One would electrocute all of the swimmers, one is a fire elemental, and one would sink.

  • How does a skeleton excel at pottery? Forming clay requires a lot of hand-work, but without skin, it would likely be very difficult.

  • So how does snake-hair work? It's shown that the snakes are sentient and have some degree of intelligence (being able to hold makeup brushes for Viperine) and that they can eat (Deuce offers his ice cream to some of his snakes in WtMH). But where does the food go? How do they grow out of the scalp? And how does Deuce have a mostly "shaved" head? Does a "haircut" require forcible removal of snakes?

  • And most importantly, what happened to the snacks Twyla left to get in "Boogey Mansion?" When she returns to the nightmare chaos, she doesn't have any food, so what was she doing before she returned?

  • So what is Cupid's status as of the reboot? Is she still a former student of Monster High despite not being in Welcome To Monster High? She's been fully moved to Ever After High, so will Mattel even bother addressing this?

  • Why in the world were Ghoulia and Abby left out of Welcome To Monster High? For that matter have Howleen, Clawd, and Clawdia been permanently replaced by a group of non descript cubs?
    • Presumably they weren't important yet and we'll see them later or Mattel mistakenly thought they wouldn't be so missed and they were horribly wrong. Clawd has been confirmed for future doll releases, at least, so maybe the rest will come.

  • How does the latest movie even work as a prequel(as Mattel claims it is) when there are so many discrepancies between it and the old show?
    • It's a desperate attempt to save face, due to the backlash at the "reboot" status of the brand. The continuities fit together very sloppily, if at all, so it'll take some work to merge the two.

  • Finnegan Wake is paraplegic; his tail does not work, period. At least, not in the diary entries, because the profile says he likes to swim and exercise his tail. If I understand correctly, the profile was the result of a group vote, but couldn't they have made sure he was consistently defined? He's supposed to be in a wheelchair because he's disabled, not simply because mermen can't walk on land.

  • Why exactly did they decide to make Elissabat and Draculaura look so similar? It doesn't lead to a mistaken-identity plot (the vampires know who they're crowning), so why?

  • What are the limits on vampire visibility? They can't appear in mirrors, sure, but sometimes they're visible in photographs, and Elissabat can be seen on film, so are there any rules here?

  • How does Gil's water-breathing work? He's normally shown with a tank of water around his head in very implausible outfits for such a thing to be airtight, he's apparently fine without the helmet if he's in water even above the surface, and somehow a scuba mask does the job as well? What?

  • Whisp could have won easily in 13 Wishes if she'd just sequestered Howleen down in one of the many forgotten rooms in the catacombs under the school before the start of the eclipse, and then quietly buried the last shard somewhere no one would find it. Two simple steps to victory and total world domination. Perhaps she should have coaxed Howleen to wish for a copy of the Evil Overlord List?

  • Why did Principal Revenant bother establishing a high school? It was quite possible for her to transfer more than one of her chains to another ghost, so why not grab the first one she could entice into her house, transfer all of her chains to that unfortunate, and then leave? (Or try to leave, and then much more quickly discover that even divesting herself of all of them would not free her.)
    • She probably tried that, since they thought the Red Lady was only a legend, it was a long time ago, and probably Revenant discovered she could transfer her chains only to ghosts who were "guilty" of something. Making a High School allowed her to make rules and punish them as she seemed fit. Since she didn't want to risk people catching up to what she was doing, she did it little at a time.
  • Zombie and unicorn hybrid. How?
  • One question that has been bugging me is why didn't Jackson and Holt's parents ever tell them of their dual nature? You suddenly transfer your seemingly ugly normie son to an institute for monsters with no explanation why. You neglect to tell him, either one, about there differences and just ignore the fact that the normie one has been freaking out about these 'black outs' he's been having. That's not event going into whether or not Heath even knew about Holt being his cousin too, and if he did why he never addressed Holt to Jackson.
  • If Deuce and Jackson are such good friends how come he doesn't hang around him or protect him from bullies? Jackson really needs a good friend.
  • Is it even safe for Jackson to be at Monster High? A lot of the student population (vampires, zombies, etc) eat humans, and most monsters have some form of Super Strength.


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