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    If demons are so massively vulnerable to holy water, how is Heaven vs Hell not a curbstomp? 
  • I mean, how can there be a war if one side is utterly helpless against the other?
    • Because if the ending is any indicator, angels are equally as vulnerable to hellfire: (it being the thing - brought by a demon the same way archangel Michael brought the Holy water for Crowley's execution - set to kill Aziraphael when Heaven sentences him to die). It's not a curbstomb battle if both armies have the nukes.
    • In fact, that might be the REASON for the stalemate. When you're an immortal, you are generally either VERY afraid of death, or looking quite forward to it.

    On Heaven and Hell and killing 
  • If Heaven and Hell thought Crowley and Aziraphale cannot be killed by Holy Water/Hellfire 'cause they've gone native'... why not kill them by conventional means? Stab 'Aziraphale' with a holy sword and launch a jet of Hellfire at 'Crowley'... That'd have done the trick, wouldn't it? It feels weird to see Heaven and Hell be baffled and frightened by it.
    • Based on the precautions they take in handling it, neither Crowley nor Aziraphale believe that the holy water won't affect Crowley - Crowley's reaction to being on 'holy ground' in the flashback suggests that they are right.
      • That's not what the troper is asking. We know it hurts him, and they know it hurts him. Hell, at the moment, thinks it does not, and is asking themselves why.
    • Angels and demons cannot be killed by conventional means, that was the whole point of the exercise. The holy water and hellfire are the only things that can erase them for good. Anything else does nothing but discorporate them, which is an inconvenience, but in no way actually does them any real harm.
      • The point is that the thing that was supposed to kill Crowley beyond any stretch of coming back, ever, did not kill Crowley, and the demons assume it's because Crowley has gone so native that he's no longer a demon at all. So, if he's not a demon, he's not immune to hellfire – why didn't they try it out?
      • As pointed out in the novel, demons (and angels) are inherently not a particular creative bunch. That's what makes humans human, as our creativity allows us to do things so hideous and/or noble that the celestial hosts could never conceive of.
    • Essentially, angels on either side (holy or unholy) are functionally immortal beings. They don't age, they don't require sustenance and they are afforded magical powers. If they would be killed by something in a manner similar to a normal human being, they merely lose their bodies and must wait for a new one to be forged, a process known as discorporation. The only thing that is lethal to angels is their soul weapons. For angels, holy water will destroy the soul of any demon, rendering them to nothing. This makes consecration a great defense tool against demonic influence in a church. Likewise, the fires of Hell can be weaponized by demons to burn angels to oblivion.
    • In addition, the superiors of both sides were worried that there was nothing that could harm them, since they are "immune" to hellfire and holy water. Bear in mind these two divine beings averted the Apocalypse and are immune to the one silver bullet you have to kill them; what might they do to you now there is nothing to stop them?
    • In addition, these being the only known vulnerabilities of angels/demons, thinking up new ways of killing an angel/demon requires imagination, something that demons (and, one can likely safely assume, angels) are explicitely said to lack.
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    Erasing 

  • When Adam makes his Satanic parentage un-happen, why does he still have his reality warping power at the end?
    • Because he didn't do that. He sent Satan back down to hell and denounced him, but he didn't really change who and what he is.
    • As far as Adam is concerned, his powers have nothing to do with his father, and since reality right now is based on his perception of things (who his father is, that Aziraphale should have a body of his own, etc.), reality changes so that his powers genuinely don't have anything to do with his father. This way, he doesn't even need Satan for them.
    • It's possible that rather than Adam making the bush wilt, it was Dog. Adam does appear to have rewritten reality so that he is no longer the son of Satan (the "you never were" part of his declaration to Satan), but Dog is still a hellhound.
    • He reboots reality after denouncing Satan so it's safe to say he still has his powers. He's still a supernatural being, he's just removed any association with Satan. Think of it as having Mr Young become his legal guardian and Satan losing his parental rights (while still being the biological father) only on a cosmic scale.

    WWII Spies 
  • If the Lady who hired Aziraphale was also a Nazi spy, why bother interrupting the execution on the pretense of rescuing him, only to get straight back to it?
    • Because Nazis are assholes and she thought it would be funny to troll him?
    • To reveal any extra backup he might have brought along without telling her.
    • To get any more information out of him that he had, and to make sure that if he'd distributed it elsewhere, he'd tell them about it first. They are spies, after all, and she'd need to debrief him at the very least before just letting him die.

    Crêpes 
  • How is Paris the only good place to get crêpes? They are originally from Brittany, which was something of a royalist stronghold during the French Revolution, meaning it would have been a much safer place for Aziraphale to go without having to dress down. Additionally, crêpes are originally something of a poor people food, it seems a little hard to imagine that late 18th century Paris would have had any restaurants serving them.
    • Aziraphale is not omniscient, so he might well not know all that. All he may know is that when he was in Paris, he had crepes, and they were really good, so when he wanted more, he went back there. After all, he was absentminded enough to not realize there was a whole revolution going on, or that dressing like a British aristocrat was not the wisest move.
    • Also, a food item originating from one place doesn't make it a "good place" to go and get them; between Crowley and himself, Aziraphale has a particular discerning taste for whatever he's taking the time to consume when he doesn't need to.

    Why destroy Earth? 
  • Seems to me that if Heaven and Hell really wanted their war, they didn't need to do it on Earth. The moon is entirely uninhabited, and I hear Alpha Centauri is great this time of year. I can understand Earth being their first choice (it IS traditional, after all), but after they blew that chance, they could have still gone elsewhere.
    • Both angels and demons reference "The Great Plan" several times regarding the Apocalypse. If The Great Plan says they have to have a war on Earth then they can't have it anywhere else.
    • They spell it out – the "Great Plan" is to have a world lasting 6000 years, then destroy it in the great final battle. Destroying Earth is the point.
    • Technically, 'winning' is the point (as far as either side is concerned), but part of the Great Plan dictates whoever wins 'gets' Earth. That nobody actually questions what they'll do with it afterward except in Adam's direction is telling.
    • Earth is the battleground because it's where the Antichrist is. Until him, neither side has the tipping point they need – with hellfire vs. holy water, it's become a 6,000 year Cold War. That's like wondering why, if America and Russia had just had somewhere else to fight, they wouldn't have done so: it's mutually assured destruction unless one of them gets the literal apocalypse on their side.

    'Aziraphale's Trial' 
  • Crowley hotfoots it across the church during WWII but neither he nor the demon who brings up the Hellfire has any problem standing in Heaven. Seems like the 'Head office' should be as troublesome for Crowley to walk around as a church on Earth.
    • According to Crowley, the church was specifically 'consecrated ground,' which there wouldn't be any of in Heaven, as angels don't see any point to having it there. As for why there would be no point when, living within the same 'building,' a demon could come up or an angel could go down "at any point," neither side cares for direct subterfuge of the other, just their war.
    • Heaven (at least most of it) wouldn't be holy for the same reason a church's accountant's office wouldn't be holy; it's not a place the angels go to pray or express their faith, it's just where they work. Indeed it's questionable whether the angels even have faith, given as their actions seem more about obedience than actual zeal.
    • Aziraphale explains this when he and Crowley are discussing Free Will. To be truly 'holy' you need to have the opportunity to be evil and consciously choose not to, several times and whenever possible. The Angels don't that, and it's even implied that they're sometimes going against God's plan because they have no idea what it is. Also, Churches generally aren't devoted to Heaven or to Angels, but rather to God, with Heaven and Hell as a side effect. Since Heaven is devoted to the Angels rather than to God, Crowley shouldn't have any issue with it.

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    Oblivious Head Offices 
  • It really is a miracle that Crowley and Aziraphale's friendship wasn't rumbled much earlier, at least on Heaven's part. Look at Episode 1 — just how incompetent are Heaven and Hell if nobody glanced down/up and realised that their respective field agents were entering the Heaven/Hell front door at exactly the same time? At the very least that should have merited a "cutting it kind of close, weren't you?" reprimand from someone. Gabriel genuinely seems to think that Crowley is oblivious to Aziraphale's existence in Episode 2, yet Heaven has an entire Earth Observation department that Michael could easily get incriminating photos from, but the angels there apparently didn't bother to mention "hey, Aziraphale's going for coffee with that demon again." So how did the dynamic duo get away with it? Heaven and Hell's stilted attitude towards time? Angelic arrogance? God messing with everyone? Or someone in the Earth Observation team having a soft spot for Aziraphale and covering for him?
    • It's mostly because they don't care enough to pay attention. Since they assume the Big Plan's going to play out just so anyway they're happy to let Aziraphale/Crowley get on with their business and take it as read that they're doing their job properly unless given reason to believe otherwise. Hence why Crowley gets a commendation for the Spanish Inquisition despite having nothing to do with it. As for "Earth Observation" Aziraphale and Crowley only started hanging out regularly in the last few decades, mere moments ago from the view of an angel. And Aziraphale meeting with Crowley is not, in and of itself, a smoking gun; he could be threatening him or trying to get information out of him or similar.
    • It makes sense that Crowley and Aziraphale would be in the same place at the same time. They're trying to thwart each other. It's unlikely people check up on them because, as the above Troper said, they don't really care, but in the event that someone says "Hey, why do we see you with this Demon/Angel so often?" They could just claim that they were doing the best they could without breaking out into war before their respective side was ready for it. A stern coffee date to discreetly threaten the other side would be pretty easy to explain, especially since before the Apocalypse they didn't do it too often (Crowley just now paying Aziraphale back on the lunch from the 1700s), and as for things like their dual check-ins, they could say that they heard about something the other was reporting and ran to report it as soon as they could. They're Divine Beings who are technically at war, and the only ones on their whole planet; there's no shortage of excuses for them to run into each other or even seek each other out from time to time.

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