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    Master Roshi 
  • I know Roshi being a dirty old man is supposed to be comical, but why do Bulma, Chi-Chi, and Android 18 put up with him? They don't mind going back to his house every now and then. I'm surprised he wasn't arrested for the crazy things he pulled.
    • As said lower down the page, "It's likely he wouldn't submit and any jail not owned by one of the cast would hold Roshi precisely as long as he felt like getting free food and shelter." Besides, unless 18 or Krillin dragged him into a city to arrest him, no one has authority or knowledge to do so, because he lives on his very own island unknown to most humans.
      • I can't keep track of every time in every saga that Roshi groped the girls and that's important. Android 18 clearly doesn't care much, if she did Roshi a) couldn't touch her. Remember she's past Frieza in terms of strength and speed and Frieza could move faster than people far, far stronger than Roshi could even see. So she's letting him do it, after the fact she's again millions of times stronger than Roshi. Even if she didn't kill him she could easily make him need a senzu bean for looking at her sideways. Bulma has Vegeta who could do the same. Chi-Chi is by the end the only one who either probably couldn't do it herself or get her husband to do it. Goku out of a combination of having trained with Roshi as a kid and respect for his first teacher probably thinks it's either funny or just won't hurt the old man.
  • How does Roshi survive a blade to the head? Back in the original Dragon ball, Goku threw Chi Chi's blade into his BRAIN. Surprisingly, he didn't die from that. He can also take several bullets to the head as well.
  • Why is Roshi afraid of Bad Lunch? Kid Goku was able to quickly take her out without difficulty, and he was weaker than Roshi at that point. Plus Roshi was shown to be able to tank her bullets.

    Bulma 
  • If Bulma was the one who made the Dragon Radar that gave her the opportunity to search for the Dragon Balls better than anyone else could before, and it was her skills at inventing that helped her make it, why do so many other people have their own kind of Dragon Radar?
    • Contrary to what Bulma would have us think, she's not the only big brain on DBZ's Earth
      • Red Ribbon's radar was created by Dr. Gero, and Bulma acknowledges he's a genius too.
    • Well, the truth is, those other Dragon Radars tend to suck. They either take up an entire room, are not all that accurate, or have other limitations. Bulma seems to be able to make these out of spare parts in DB.
    • Well a psychic baby was able to build one out of broken pieces of the same device.
      • To be fair, that entire segment was pretty much a Big-Lipped Alligator Moment in order to give a fond cameo to the cast of Dr. Slump, what with the Fourth Wall breaking and a guy who has used Toon Physics to build things that made the time-space continuum his bitch being impressed by a portable global radar system.
    • By "other people" do you mean average people or the main characters? If it's the former, she probably doesn't sell the technology because she doesn't want anyone other than the main characters finding the Dragon Balls. That might sound selfish, but since the Z warriors are often busy saving the universe and working alongside deities, it makes sense that they would want the Dragon Balls to be available to be used during critical situations. As for why she doesn't make a personal Dragon Radar for the other characters, maybe ie's because she fears that they - being the fight-crazy bunch that they are, always busy with training - might forget the radar somewhere, which would result in someone else finding it to possibly disastrous results.
  • It's occurred to a lot of people to wonder how ChiChi survived having sex with Goku - but how the heck did Bulma survive having sex with Vegeta? Unlike ChiChi she's an ordinary human, and even though Vegeta isn't as strong as Goku he also isn't as good at controlling his strength. Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex promptly comes to mind.
    • Well, he may not have good emotional control, but he still must have total control over his own body to become such a fighter. He just chooses to act the way he does.
    • Speaking of their relationship, why did Bulma not wear protection/use birth control? She should be educated enough about it, and should know Vegeta is going to be a deadbeat dad.
      • Trunks heavily implies that Bulma and Vegeta's relationship was more physical than romantic. It was most likely a heat of the moment thing. As for Vegeta being a deadbeat dad the truth is Bulma has minimal reason to care. She's fabulously rich by herself. She certainly needs nothing from Vegeta financially. At the time the choice between Trunks learning how to be a man from Vegeta and learning from Bulma is a bit of a no brainer. As of the Cell Saga Vegeta's motivation for staying on Earth was a combination of not having anywhere else to go and wanting to surpass Goku. There is little reason to believe he was bluffing at all when he states that he'll be the one to kill Goku not some bucket of bolts. It's not until later they become genuine friends.
  • Bulma has complete access to Gero's android technology, due to having done extensive analysis on 16 and probably maintenance for 17 and 18 after the Cell Saga ended. Her entire social circle, including her husband (heck, even ChiChi, to an extent), consists of top-level fighters who could bench-press Jupiter if they wanted to (well, maybe a mounain in ChiChi's case). So, why didn't she ever use this known uprgade-a-person technology to get at least to Yamcha levels of being able to keep up with the rest of the group? She can't possibly have enjoyed being the lone squishy one.
    • None of the details of the process are ever revealed. It could be incredibly cruel and painful for example. It might have some sort of long term mental effects, 17 and 18 don't exactly act like well adjusted teens. It may even have a very low mortality rate. Would it shock anybody to find out that Gero went through a dozen or so subjects before 17 and 18 survive the process at all?
    • As smart as she is she might not be able to do whatever surgery is necessary. If we're talking about getting her up to that level she'd have to either build a robot that could do it or be able to talk someone else through it.
    • What makes you think she would have a use for it? She has little interest in fighting or adventuring, and rarely hangs out with the Z fighters.
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    Goku 
  • How does Goku ever figure out what it was that killed Grandpa Gohan? IIRC, Gohan told him never to look at the full moon (presumably after seeing Goku transform into his giant ape form once), but Goku did anyway somehow and killed him. Goku never has any recollection of his actions when he's in that state, so how did he know that it was a giant ape that killed Gohan? How did he end up connecting Vegeta's transformation to 'the same monster that killed my Grandpa'? At any point, does he ever realize what he did, and that he did it?
    • In DBZ Season 1, Vegeta tells Goku about the Oozaru transformation. (Keep in mind that no one ever told Goku this; they just said he shouldn't look at the full moon whilst sporting a Saiyan monkey tail.) After hearing that, it's so clear to him what happened that he actually becomes upset with his friends for keeping him in the dark. (Imagine if everytime you looked at the full moon, you woke up naked and confused, everything around you destroyed, and your friends all terrified, telling you to never look at the full moon again. Goku can be pretty goofy in the head sometimes but he's not blind.)
      • He actually DOES get upset at them?
      • Well, he keeps it to himself, but yes.
      • Typical Goku fashion, he doesn't dwell on it too long and it's never referred to again.
    • Also, when he's first told about the full moon being out in the first season of Dragon Ball, he tells his friends that Grandpa Gohan told him about a giant monkey that came out when the moon was full. Full-moon-giant-monkey-leaves-footprints-on-Grandpa plus Vegeta-makes-artificial-full-moon-and-turns-into-giant-monkey equals obvious, even to Goku.
      • You killed my grandfather! (No, really, he said that to Vegeta. After being explained that all Saiyans with tails do that, he put 2 and 2 together and got 4).
      • Actually, that was just the Ocean Dub.
      • It's in the Viz translated manga too. Vegeta's very amused.
  • Why didn't occur to Goku to teach the Instant Transmission technique to any of his allies?
    • It annoys me more that Goku or King Kai never bothered teaching anyone else the kaioken technique. Maybe the humans would have been still too weak, but Piccolo would have probably been almost as strong as the strongest characters during the Cell Saga at least. Was Perfect Cell really that much more than 20 times as strong as Piccolo? Also, Kaioken just looks plain cooler, yes, cooler than super saiyan even.
      • During the Frieza fight, King Kai points out that Goku "has been using the Kaioken the entire time." It just wasn't shown any more. It's entirely possible that the other Z fighters actually were taught the technique, and WERE using it. They just never state it explicitly. This effect actually happens with other moves, too. The human ability to "sense chi" is something that Goku spent months/years learning from Mr. Popo. However, once he did learn it, it became a common ability for anybody that knew Goku. Even Vegeta was able to learn it with zero actual study.
      • Apparently, they might all know it after all. At least in Kai, when Piccolo is fighting Android 20, he says that all of them have learned to amplify their base energy in short bursts to give their strikes some extra kick.
      • Also brings to question why Cell didn't use Kaio Ken in any of his fights, despite claiming to possess it. His already enormous power would be multiplied twentyfold. At his Super Perfect form, Cell would have been able to curbstomp even Super Saiyan 2 Gohan with it. Unless he did use Kaio Ken but it wasn't visible anymore at a certain point, as the above poster mentioned.
      • Maybe Cell's Self-Destruct "was" his Kaio Ken technique. Goku did mention that there was always a risk your body would explode from overusing it. Maybe Cell did so on purpose.
      • Cell didn't know he could regenerate until he saw Piccolo grow his arm back. Maybe he just didn't know he could use Kaio Ken.
      • Which in a series where things don't always make sense, that explanation makes less sense than usual. Cell came programed knowing all the moves in the game, including a few that he had no way of actually knowing. I can buy that all of the moves of the earth fighters can simply be programed into the computer but how did he know Frieza's destructo disc, and even that Goku planned a last second dodge if the moves aren't literally part of his DNA? If I had to guess though I'd assume that just like Goku on planet Namek that he was using Kaio Ken constantly, as was everybody they just stopped animating it. Though it would be nice if they flat out explained it at some point, if for no other reason than it makes me wonder how strong some of the other characters are. Vegeta for example could potentially be a lot stronger than is let on if he DOESN'T know the Kaio Ken and still manages to almost keep up with Goku who's using it constantly.
      • There is simply no evidence that anyone else but Goku ever used the Kaioken. True the animators did get lazy and stopped animating Goku's red aura during the fight on Namek however that is a great leap to assume that must apply to everyone else just to try and explain why Goku or King Kai never taught it to anyone. May I remind everyone here present that these fighters have a long history of not teaching their techniques to each other; near enough all examples of them using one of their comrades techniques is nothing but mimicry with the exception of anyone who had a personal teacher. There is no argument that I can see as to why Goku never divulged the secrets of the Kaioken or the Instant Transmission that doesn't apply equally to Tien for example not divulging his Crane School techniques. My guess is that, although they are friends, that there is still a great amount of rivalry between them which would inevitably breed a reluctance to share. Vegeta especially would have rather kissed a toilet seat than have Goku try to teach him anything especially pre-Buu saga.
      • Goku wouldn't have needed to teach them the Kaio Ken — Yamcha, Tien, Chiaotzu and Piccolo all spent time training with King Kai. A shorter time than Goku was there, but long enough for them to get strong enough to trounce the Ginyu Force, a team which gave Vegeta pause. It's likely King Kai taught them all the Kaio Ken as well, but they don't use it as often or for as long as Goku does because their bodies can't handle the strain like a Saiyan's can. As for Vegeta, when he first fights Goku, he counters the Kaio Ken and says he's run into techniques like it before, so he could have picked it up just by observing, just like he did energy sensing.
  • If Grandpa Gohan raised Goku alone, shouldn't Goku consider him his father?
    • Gohan was an old man when he found Goku, and he told him I'm Grandpa Gohan. Goku probably does view him as a father figure but was always aware the man wasn't really his father.

    Gohan 
  • If Gohan was born with a tail, why weren't any of the other part-Saiyans?
    • Real world answer? the producers were trying to distance themselves from the original series by limiting any more Monkey Boys. Notice how there are also no anthropomorphic animals either. I'm guessing its move away from adventure themed anime/manga to balls to the wall action anime/manga as well as the move away from the majority of the slapstick humour made them embarrassed of it; which if you agree with me that the original series was actually better than Z or GT it comes off as bit of an insult.
    • They may have been born with tails, but their respective families (Gohan for Goten, Vegeta for Trunks) knew how to permanently remove the tails so they wouldn't have to deal with the 'possible giant ape on full moon' thing.
      • That would be stupid. Gohan and Vegeta could easily restrain a giant ape on the full moon by the Buu Saga. The power boost might just be a life saver though, Great Ape Gottenks would probably be on par or better than Mystic Gohan.
    • Word of God / Shrug of God is that in saiyan/human crossbreeds, tails are recessive and Gohan's actually the freak of the bunch.
  • How the HFIL is Gohan such a remarkably well-adjusted individual? Lets review his childhood, shall we?
    • Age 4-5(Raditz, Piccolo's training): Dad dies. Training from Hell by Satan away from home and family
      • Technically, Satan junior, who is Satan's clone-son, but still....
      • So, not The Devil, The Antichrist.
      • "DODGE!"
    • Age 5-7(In Space): In space, still away from home and family, "company" and adult influences a grown woman pushing 30 and childlike midget. Witness to genocide, fighting for own life nigh-constantly. Best friend/only adult influence (the childlike midget) dies.
    • Age 7-8(Between return to earth and arrival of Trunks, Garlic Jr. goes here) : Vacation, at home. Everyone on earth suddenly against him, must save God, fighting closest family and friends. Dad MIA.
      • Garlic Jr. is insignificant anime filler.
      • Still, must have been psychologically taxing in the animeverse.
      • But the animeverse is insignificant filler and thus has no bearing on Gohan's canon psychology.
      • I disagree. While the anime is filled with stuff that wasn't in the manga and filler material, it does have some level of canon. I know it's hard to accept what with all the contradictions but the anime IS the next highest level of canon after the manga. However Garlic Junior seems to be somewhat of an exception, as it has no mention at all in the manga and thus is a bit disputed.
      • Screw it, lets just call them two alternate universes. Mangaverse becomes Dragon Ball Online, Animeverse becomes GT, all the arguing over filler, canon and stuff just ends and everybody is happy.
    • Age 8-11(training for androids, androids): More Training from Hell, threat of apocalyptic level robots killing everyone he knows and loves hanging over his head. Followed by several weeks of on the run and hiding from undetectable killer robots.
      • He doesn't consider it training from hell at all. He's with his Dad and beloved Piccolo, after all.
      • The threat of killer robots fated to kill them all probably weighed on his mind a bit
    • 11-12(year in Room of Spirit and Time): Still more training, now in nigh-solitary confinement with nigh-sensory deprivation, uncomfortable climate, and extreme gravity
      • Doesn't consider it training from hell.
      • What? Goku himself points out that he woudn't have been able to psychologically handle it at Gohan's age. Nobody could be there for any extended period of time without going loco. It may have been fun for the first few weeks, but not much past.
      • To clarify, he doesn't consider it Training from Hell because he's with his Dad. If he was alone like Goku was at that age, of course he wouldn't be able to stand it either.
    • Age 12(vs Cell): Sees dad die again, bit of a mental breakdown seen while fighting Cell. Saves world (barely), extreme injury, no recognition or appreciation whatsoever.
      • No argument there.
      • At least he hears his Dad say "Gohan, I'm so proud of you!"
      • *sniffle* Heartwarming Moments *sniffle*
      • He doesn't really care about recognition. On the other hand, him indulging his super powered evil side is the reason that Goku was dead in the first place.
    • 12-19(pre-Buu timeskip): Living at home in boonies with psycho mother and no contact with any of closest friends.
      • Mother is not psycho. Grandfather is there too. Beloved little brother is around too. Does not appear to mind living in the boonies.
      • Not psycho? She's literally trying to suppress the instincts of 50% of his genome and putting the planet at risk so she can have a smart son. And he doesn't mind? He's probably just bottling any problems up.
      • To him she's not psycho. Remember he does want to be a scholar, far more than he wants to fight, despite his great fighting potential.
      • Has contact with other people. It is mentioned he visits Trunks (and obviously Trunks and Goten play together), and Bulma told him before going to school that showing his new strength could be trouble. I assume given he isn't as clueless as his father, he takes advantage of his speed to visit Kame House on occasion. He is still seems to have no friends his age, but he does have social contact outside his family. Although, now that I think about it, he does visit Dende, who is roughly his age, despite being God and all.

  • How the hell did a guy with his formative years spent like that end up a well-adjusted functioning member of society easily mistakable in manner for a librarian, and not a semi-psychopathic bundle of neuroses?
    • Well, right around where your list ends, he becomes active as the Great Saiyaman. Is this well-adjusted? Sure, there's all kinds of stuff going on in this Verse, but Sentai heroism comes across as... less than sane. Also, he retires from any and all serious villain-bashing at this point, despite being powerful enough to turn some of those tides (Buu Saga fuck-up notwithstanding).
      • Would you really want to see The Great Saiyaman as a '90s Anti-Hero?
      • Yes, yes I would. Also, his "human" persona seems to be a bit Stepford Smiler in post-Cell Z, and shallow in GT. This troper assumes he stayed snapped after Cell, and just used some psychological cellophane tape instead of trying to work things out nice and proper. (Perfect fodder for a 90s antihero Great Saiyaman.)
      • Given how unflappable both his parents are, it would've been more surprising if he was more screwed up.
      • And, even besides that his whole Great Saiyaman thing, he's screwed up anyway. When he gets angry he turns into a brutally different person? Who loves to sadistically beat the life out of anyone who angers him? Yeah, that's normal... And, even said, there was a pretty good story on a particular website many of us know of that deals with Babidi choosing him as his Majin warrior instead of Vegeta just for the sadistic hell of it.
    • And after all, the kid is half-Saiyan. Judging by what little we know of Saiyan society it seems to be a rather brutal, militaristic, and chaotic lifestyle. The traditional Saiyan childhood probably involves a lot of fighting for one's life and watching friends and family members get killed. Setting aside the psychological implications of the whole Great Saiyaman thing, maybe Saiyans are just naturally better at dealing with emotional trauma.
    • Gohan's been surrounded all his life by people who've grown up among chaos, violence and weirdness, presumably they've helped him adapt to that kind of life, especially Piccolo. That, and he seems to have inherited his happy-go-lucky streak from his father. As for the physical trauma, I'm pretty sure that after all that Training from Hell he doesn't mind at all. That and Saiyans seem to have a pretty high pain tolerance.
    • Btw, according to my math, Gohan would've been between 9 and a half and 10 when he fought Cell, not 12. In DBZ volume 20 it says he is 16 years old, and then Chichi mentions it's been 7 years since she last saw Goku. 16-7 = 9, 10 at most if he'll be 17 later that year.
      • He was six during the Namek saga, year later Frieza shows up on Earth(seven), three years later the Androids show up(ten), spends the better part of a year inside the hyperbolic time chamber(eleven) and fights Cell. So he's ten/eleven during the Cell fight; I could be remembering it wrong and if I'm not it was probably just anime filler, but I'm fairly sure there was an episode detailing his eleventh birthday party just prior to the cell games, actually.
      • I think the "five" age in the original English dub was a deliberate translation error. Not sure what difference that would make.
    • Goodness, people, you all are making Gohan out to be a guy seconds away from pulling a Goku Black on everyone and committing mass murder. Yeah, his childhood wasn't exactly all that great, but we have to remember that he's 50% Saiyan, don't you think that part of him — the hardness to battle and trauma is helping him in some way? Plus, whose to say he didn't get some help at some point? Maybe he read some psychology books? Maybe he talked to Piccolo and/or Krillin and they helped him through his feelings? He also has Videl to help him. I actually find it refreshing to see Gohan not some bitter, angsty teen/young man who is one mistake away from becoming a complete nightmare. As for the Great Saiyaman thing? That's just him being an eccentric goofball. If that's him being insane, then I think he turned out relatively well.
    • In some sense, Gohan is a very messed-up individual. However, that manifests as him wanting to distance himself from the world of fighting and saving the world, and trying to be as "normal" as possible. Thus his decision to go to school, become a very normal profession, and NOT get involved in world-threatening shenanigans.
  • Why didn't Gohan and Videl have any more kids? Did something bad happen when Pan was born?
    • Maybe they just wanted one kid.
  • Where would Son Gohan as a four-year-old toddler learn how to use the polite-masculine for of boku to refer to himself, or any of his extremely polite speech period. Remember; he is homeschooled in the mountains up to this point, and everyone in his life uses coarse-and-rude Osaka-Ben (the "Hillbilly Tongue" of Japanese) and the rude-masculine Ora (even his own MOTHER) to refer to themselves: How and where would he have learnt to talk like a young gentleman when the three grown-ups in his life talk like Hillbillies crossed with Eminem?
    • I think it's to show how different he is to Goku. Goku was basically an alien boy growing up by himself in the wilderness, and Gohan's a half-human boy living with family. Er, yeah, that's just me Wild Mass Guessing.
    • Chi-Chi wanted him to learn to talk politely, even if she doesn't herself?
  • Now I understand that Gohan did admit he wanted to be an orthopedist, but in some scenes in the anime (well I know it's filler), he doesn't want to study (well , it may be justified in situations when he wanted to help save the world). Is it because Gohan is usually bored with doing the same thing all the time, because I do think that may be it.
    • Maybe it's because his mother was pretty much forcing him to do it. After the Cell Games, Gohan explains she loosened up a little, and that might include him studying. Without pressure from Chi-Chi, Gohan was able to study at his own pace and decided he liked it.
  • Why doesn't Gohan know the Special Beam Cannon?! It wouldn't be the first thing I would teach Gohan but leading up to the Saiyan battle I would have made the time! As is clear by even teen gohan generally favoring the Masenko over the Kamehameha it's not as if he doesn't use Piccolo's techniques.
    • Maybe Special Beam Cannon relies is much more dependent on some aspect of Namekians, whereas Masenko is a purely Ki-derived technique that can be easily taught?
    • The Special Beam Cannon is shown to fall into Awesome, yet Impractical, being able to demolish opponents magnitudes higher than the user but only able to reach that point after an extensive charging period to reach full strength. Piccolo himself still uses it because it can help him avert Can't Catch Up but is well aware of it's drawbacks and likely wouldn't teach Gohan how to use it because of it's limitations. Super showed him using the full strength version only in tournaments that had restrictions on how far the contestants could go with damage, the first of which had him using several tactics to have time to charge and the second was a free for fall where his teammates could cover him while he powered up. He never uses the full power version when it's life or death in the here and now.

    Chi-Chi 
  • We have heard Chi Chi told Goku she loved him, but has Goku ever said it back after they got married?
    • It's the exact reason why Dragon Ball Z Abridged makes Goku out to be an absolutely neglectful husband and father - he never seems to treat her as anything other than a housewife that brings him food. If I was going to be fair it could be because of the influence of his natural Saiyan traits as Vegeta treats Bulma like trash also.
    • Goku married Chi-Chi out of commitment, rather than love. Throughout the whole franchise, he never showed sexual attraction toward anyone, having always been portrayed as a Celibate Hero.
    • According to Super, ep. 60, Goku didn't kiss Chi Chi.
  • Does anyone here think that Chi-Chi is racist against Saiyans (I don't hate her though)? I mean, every time she sees her husband and sons exhibit Saiyan traits, she freaks out. Like that time she called Goten a "monster" (I know it's a dub error, but still). She even flipped out after seeing Gohan in Super Saiyan form for the first time. Why would she married a guy with a tail if she was going to flip out whenever she sees them transform into weird things?
    • She doesn't seem to have anything against Saiyans, or people with tails either. As I understand it bleaching/dying your hair blonde is something only "punks" do so it's similar to the reaction an American woman might have to your hair suddenly turning into a green mohawk. Granted all we get are flashbacks but she doesn't seem particularly upset that Gohan has a tail it's just going Super that sets her off.
  • Chi-Chi's transition to a fighter to a housewife bugs me. I noticed and read somewhere that she appeared in most of the filler and that her acting hostile was in filler scenes and that she's way more chill in the manga. Plus, I heard that Toriyama wanted to be "realistic" with the Japanese mother portrayal note , but why with only one character?
    • In order Chi-Fhi wanted to save her baby, sure she was about to be in way over her head but it makes sense she'd want to try especially if she thought both he and Goku were going to die on Namek. While Chi-Chi is portrayed as putting Gohan's Education ahead of saving the world the reality is that Goku had pretty much just defeated the most powerful being in the universe. Combine that with an education being the only way to support yourself and it becomes rather simple why she acts that way. Considering how "frequently" threats showed up if she hadn't been that way Gohan would never have grown up into a scholar. She slapped Majin Buu. The entire world was already dead including to the best of her knowledge her husband and eldest son. She's literally got nothing left to lose.
    • She still has Goten. While granted it doesn't make up for the fact that her husband and eldest son are both, as far as she knows, dead, she's still got something to live for.
  • Considering how Chi-Chi really wants to have a normal family, it's somewhat Fridge Logic when you think about Gohan's birth. Here you have a baby with a monkey tail. How could Chi-Chi have reacted to it with anything but demanding the tail to be removed? Did Goku explain this to her in a way of "Well, I used to have a tail when I was his age, so it's natural"? She seems to be very comfortable with her baby having a monkey tail, yet when she finds that he can turn Super Saiyan ten years later, she falls to her knees weeping.
    • I guess Chi-Chi didn't freak out about Gohan's tail because she always saw Goku with a tail when both of them were children, so I guess she was thinking "Well, my husband had a tail when he was little, so it must be normal for Gohan to have one," or like what you mentioned: Goku may have explained to Chi-Chi. Also, to be fair to Chi-Chi, she wasn't complaining about not having a normal family in the subbed versions of the show or the manga. The "normal family" thing is only present in the English dubs of the show. Also, as far as Chi-Chi freaking out about Gohan and Goku going Super Saiyan, let's apply Values Dissonance here. Super Saiyans have blonde hair, and in Japan, blonde hair is usually seen as a sign of being a delinquent, which is why Chi-Chi was so worried about Gohan turning into a "punker."
      • So imagine, if you will, an American mother finding out that her son goes into a super mode where his hair turns into a green spiked mohawk and his clothes turn into spiked leather, and you'll see what Chi-Chi was worried about.
    • Ah, makes sense now. Thanks above two tropers. :)
      • Also, there are animal people and monster people on their Earth.
  • Okay, this has been going through my mind. So Chi-Chi's always lamenting on how she doesn't have enough money, but yet you see her shopping for food, clothes (in the Super Android 13 movie), and a lot of study materials for Gohan. That's confusing if you ask me.
    • Her father is rich. Chances are she wants to make it independent of her father, and is lamenting that she can't, and keeps needing to ask him for money.
  • Is it true that because Chi-Chi is portrayed as a Japanese mother, that a lot of Japanese parents give their kids a lot of challenging schoolwork for their kids? I'm not trying to sound ignorant, but I want to know if that's the case.
    • Not sure how to answer this one, but I believe that Akira was trying to potray Chi-Chi as the "nagging" house wife that makes her son study all day, similar how to some parents in China force their children to study all day long, though I could be completely wrong.
  • How come Chi-Chi never punishes Gohan when he disobeys her in a way? Like when he yelled back at her when he wanted to go to Namek and in the Super Android 13 movie when he asked her about which was more important: his studies or Goku? I mean, considering how Chi-Chi is like, it's surprising how sometimes she lets him get off scot-free.
    • It was as much of a shock to her than anyone else that her sweet little boy would talk back to her. I mean, this is the women who has fainted from the mere sight of her child in harm, so it can be assumed that she is quite soft when it comes to Gohan.
    • On the movie part, she is stubborn, and wants a smarter child, but she is not stupid. She knows the answer to her son's question. She would rather have everyone in her family alive instead of a smarter child and a dead spouse who's death could have been prevented. Sure, having her son fight is kind of a bad idea, but when you have a family that saved the world a good amount of times(or at least killed the villains trying to kill everyone on Earth or any other planet), she probably realizes that without her son going to fight the villain in the movie, she would have one less person in her family that is alive and it won't be anyone's fault but her own in a way.
  • Come to think of it, if Chi-Chi wants her own money so much, why doesn't she simply enter a world's martial arts tournament herself? If she could survive a kick from super-saiyan Goten, then she's certainly more powerful than Mr. Satan.
    • They might recognize her as the wife of Son Goku, the runner up of the 21st and 22nd, and winner of 23rd WMAT. Plus, she probably considers making sure her family is intelligent and probably retired from fighting. Basically, she doesn't want the publicity, and beating the "world savior" in a world tournament might cause publicity.
  • Given Goku's total ignorance about sex(he thought marriage was a type of food), how did Chi-Chi manage to sleep with him at least twice?
  • Goten was born in the same year as the Cell Arc, which took place during May. Which means that Chi-Chi must've been at least two months pregnant in the Cell arc. How come she didn't mention to Goku she's got a bun in the oven?
    • Goten was probably born premature.

    Yamcha 
  • Yamcha has eaten senzu beans at least once in the series. How come he still has scars on his face? After all, these very senzu beans are capable of healing broken necks (Gohan) and arms (Vegeta).
    • Because the scar tissue is old and no longer technically a "wound". If he ate the bean when he got the injury in the first place, it'd be a different story. Same basic reason the beans don't cause saiyans to regenerate lost tails.
      • Then why does Future Trunks tell Future Gohan (in their side story) that if only they had senzu they could heal his missing arm?
      • Because Future Trunks is somewhat of an idiot?
      • Then Future Gohan must be an idiot too, because he doesn't disagree.
      • The first answer is the correct one - Future Gohan's injury was mere hours old at this point. Yamcha had these scars from when he was a very young man. As a side point it actually has a basis in real world medicine - fresh wounds are far easier to repair then a semi-healed one.
      • It's not that it would regrow a missing arm; it's that they wouldn't have had to amputate it if they had had any senzu beans left.
      • Speaking of which, why the hell didn't Bulma just build him a replacement arm?
      • You really have to wonder how effective and/or useful that would have been considering the cyborgs that took his arm (not to mention Gohan himself) could've probably rendered it akin to torn tissue paper with little effort. He'd have it for five minutes, max, before it gets scrapped. Sure, it works for a guy like Tao, but Alter-Future Gohan and the Androids...whole other league.
      • Very good points about how useless a Tao style bionic arm would be in combat but two things occur to me. 1) Given Bulma's extensive technical abiity (shes smart enough to build a time machine) why hasn't she yet managed to copy a Gero style arm? Gohan would only need a basic copy in order to help him block attacks. 2) Even in an post-apocalyptic hellhole, an arm has other functions besides fighting. General things like eating, writing, cleaning... all of which he must logically be doing in between his battles.
    • Because they thought it was cooler if Gohan had one arm even though, logically, Bulma could've given him an arm that wouldn't have slowed him down.
    • In a similar vein to the Yamcha example above, during the run of GT Gohan dons a pair of glasses. This completely baffles me in a universe in which Dende, Majin Buu and the beans exist that Gohan should require any form of corrective eyewear. Unless he has taken a leaf out of the Tenth Doctor's book and has decided to wear a pair of brainy specs, the only reasonable conclusion I can see is that beyond healing fresh injuries restoring Ki, the Senzu are actually quite overrated - unless it's yet another GT plot hole of course.
      • Perhaps he felt that it helped him blend in? Also, the senzu seems to be able to heal injuries and such, but deteriorated eyesight is a natural, slow thing. Perhaps if he kept eating Senzus every day, he'd continue to have perfect eyesight.
      • He first dons the glasses at the end of DBZ and I always assumed he put them on just to look brainy, not because he actually needs it.
      • As a teenager, Gohan had eagle eyes- he was able to see that Hercule was holding a dog from thousands of feet in the air. Either the glasses are completely absurd, or as he aged, his eyesight drifted closer to that of a normal human: still extremely sharp by human standards, but deteriorating considerably from his ability to spot a puppy from a mile away.
  • Yamcha's defeatism bugs me. In the original Dragon Ball and early Z series he loved fighting to the extent he would devote months to constant training and in Anime filler started a fight with an entire baseball team for fun. Come the end of Z, despite his previous joy of fighting reaching near Saiyan levels, he had completely given up. Now the accepted fan theory is that he became genre savvy enough to realize he could never surpass the Super Saiyan's. 1) This never stopped Krillin from enjoying himself at the 25th World Martial Arts tournament, despite knowing he didn't stand a chance against Goku and Vegeta and despite Krillin never really having the same eagerness to fight Yamcha did. Neither did this stop Tien from training day and night to the point he could avoid Buu's Human Extinction Attack. 2) In real life how many martial artists are up to the standard of Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris? 5% maybe? doesn't stop the other 95% entering tournaments for competition, fun and general fitness does it? So here we have a situation where Yamcha, the strongest human in the world barring Tien and Krillin, who would almost certainly have won every single one of those Tournaments where Hercule was the only Z-Fighter competing - pathetically fizzling out for no adequate reason whatsoever.
    • I couldn't say why he's lazy when alive, but when Buu kills him and he goes to the afterlife, he starts training intently again, to the point of amazing even Krillin.
    • It bug me as well because even if Yamcha no longer wanted to fight super powered villains after his close brush with death during the Android sagas, he could still train and at least win the Budokai Tenkaichi tournaments barring no unusually powerful opponent appearing where he has no chance at winning (he's had bad luck at the early tournaments with Roshi posing as Jackie Chun, Tien, and Kami posing as "Hero" ). Yamcha could have been the "Champion of Earth" and not Mr Satan if he stayed competing. Yamcha is easily stronger than Mr Satan who has no grasp of Ki control and attacks. So his defeatist attitude really does suck.
      • And pray tell what would he achieve by becoming "champion of the earth"? Wealth? Fame? A city with his name? And when the next superpowered being comes to threaten the earth and the people call him for help he'll look down and whisper "no"? A lot of people can enjoy martial arts without having to enter a tournament or even sparring, you know. Yamcha is not looking to become the strongest like Goku and Vegeta nor does his life revolve around martial arts like Tenshinhan and Chaoz. He�s just a normal guy with other aspirations like Krillin. He�s already very powerful and doesn�t have to prove anything to anybody; moreover he�s more than willing to jump to action despite his limitations if it is for a good cause. Hardly the definition of �defeatist�.
      • For one, wealth. Yamcha once cancelled a date with Bulma for being broke. Or just competing for the fun of it since he did love the martial arts. only reason I would see him not bothering if he believed he had too much of an unfair advantage against the "normal" competitors. He also could inspire the people of Earth just as Mr Satan did only he knows the real heroes very well. While things worked out for everyone else, Yamcha has nothing to show for all his training as The Everyman.
      • Admitedly its possible that that was before he became a successful career in sports but it still makes no sense for Yamcha to give up fighting considering how much he loved it. Its said in Dragon Ball he's always wanted to win the World Martial Arts Tournament and we're shown many times that Yamcha greatly enjoys just competing and training, so it makes little sense for him to give up fighting or the Martial Arts tournaments.
    • That always used to bother me too until I has a stroke of Fridge Brilliance and worked out the exact moment that he would have come to that decision - when he was defeated by Android 19. He had the same three year warning as everyone else, was trained by the world's greatest martial arts masters Roshi and Kami, was there at every major battle the Z Fighters have ever had, was pumped, determined... and was effortlessly defeated without even a punch thrown. Now he Might have been able to get over that setback If mere hours later he wasn't forced to sit back and watch as his best friend and rival Tien was able to hold off Semi-Perfect Cell with the Tri-Beam; a fighter infinitesimally stronger than the minor Androids he had lost so easily to beforehand. That, combined with all his other crippling defeats, was finally enough to tip him over the edge and hang up his trademarked orange suit. With that knowledge in hand, Yamcha's words to Goku just prior to the Cell Games "I will come but I won't fight" take on a whole new meaning.
      • Tenshinhan wasn't even Yamcha's friend, let alone best friend. Tenshinhan's only friend is Chiaotzu. Also, the two were never rivals, they only had one battle against each other and that was their first meeting. Also, I hope you mean Semi-Perfect Cell is the "fighter infinitesimally stronger than the minor Androids", because Tenshinhan was obviously much weaker than the Androids, like Yamcha.
      • While Tenshinan and Yamcha aren't best friends, they are shown to be friends in the series and yeah they were rivals. Anyway Tenshinan was the strongest of the Earthlings for most of the series and Neo Tri-beam is one of(or the) strongest attack in the series, and seeing the strongest of them only stall Semi-Perfect with his strongest attack(using up his lifeforce in the process) must've been disheartening to the other Human fighters. This would explain why he would give up helping fight on the Front lines but does not in anyway explain why Yamcha gave up Martial Arts.
      • And who said he gave up martial arts? For all we see of Yamcha during his free time he could be still training at his own pace, taking part in some street fighting or even giving out self-defense classes. As for the Tenkaichi Budokai, remember the entire island where the last tournament in Dragon Ball took place was completely devastated by Piccolo's last attack; God knows how many years passed before the damage could be repaired. Then came the saiyajins, the whole being dead thing, then the androids, then Cell, etc. By the time they could participate again Yamcha figured it wasn't worth it. Sure, Krillin decided to take part but he was lucky to face against some poor sap and as soon as he went to the front lines he was deemed trash by Dabura and turned to stone. Last but not least, after the defeat of Buu, Mr. Satan had basically rigged the whole tournament by having Fat Buu participate, beat up everybody and "lose" against him.
      • Had Yamcha had remained competing and been "Champion Of Earth" instead of Mr. Satan, there would be know rigging of the tournament like that. the tournament itself had become meaningless and just a show stage for Mr. Satan. It only makes me wish more somebody stronger than Mr Satan competed against him.

    Goten & Trunks 
  • Why the heck are Trunks and Goten so stupidly powerful? Goten especially. He achieves Super Saiyan at, what? Age 8? Younger? At that age, Goku, a full-blooded Saiyan, mind you, was running from bees and finding himself an even match with Yamcha.
    • It was stated somewhere that Saiyan/Human hybrids are abnormally powerful, for example, Gohan. It could also be the fact that when they Goku and Vegeta did their wives, they were both already Super Saiyans, giving them the "trait" to access Super Saiyan as easily as they could.
      • You just said "for example Gohan" but Goku wasn't Super Saiyan when he fathered Gohan, remember?
      • I believe that troper was referring to how insanely powerful Gohan was at such a young age, compared to his father or Piccolo. Also consider that Chi-chi wasn't a bad fighter in her own right

  • How the hell were Vegeta and Gohan unaware of Goten and Trunks having achieved Super Saiyan Status? For starters it's established in DBZ that each person has a unique power signature to the point that until they figure out that Cell's "flavor" is Neopolitan everybody is terribly confused by him and he couldn't risk raising his power level at all or he'd be tracked down. So everybody capable of sensing energy should have known as soon as they did it, especially since it's clear that Goten has little formal training on that level. What training he did receive was via Chi-Chi and sparring with Trunks, it seems pretty clear he and Gohan didn't train much if at all together. Vegeta clearly must have been training Trunks for precision instead of raw power for some reason. Even baring that the number of SSJ level powers on the planet should have been just three. Vegeta, Gohan, and Picolo. It would be excusable, if Vegeta wasn't completely aware that Gohan hadn't been training, for Vegeta to assume two strong powers were Picolo and Gohan sparing but what did Picolo and Gohan think of it? Sure Frieza's not a threat to anybody anymore but he can still blow up a planet! A power level that high should have warranted a quick fly over followed by 'oh, it's just them.'
    • Good point. Trunks even mentioned that occasionally he and Goten would go Super Saiyan before play-sparring each other. It's worse for Goten, because you'd think Chi-Chi would have told Gohan by now that Goten can go Super Saiyan.
      • Presumably they weren't looking for it. Being able to sense energy doesn't mean it's always on, nor does it mean you're always watching it so closely as to identify who it is whenever you get a whiff of it.
      • It doesn't seem to be something actively turn on or off though. More just something that you do. Case in point Vegeta and Goku were in the middle of what (for at least one of them, it's not entirely clear how hard Goku was pushing other than he could have gone SSJ3 if Vegeta had given him the time) is an all out fight and both of them immediately sense Buu. Everybody thought Frieza was dead and had no reason to be sensing energy then either but they all noticed Frieza on the approach as well. And the OP points out ki signatures are unique. Unique enough that Goku instantly identifies Kamicollo even though he'd never met him but knew Kami and Picollo prior. Even if they couldn't ID them that way it should have simply been okay not Vegeta, Gohan or Piccolo. I should go say hi to the fourth most powerful being in the universe. As another above poster mentions it's also a bit strange that Chi-Chi didn't tell Gohan and immediately at that. After all her baby was turning into a delinquent!
    • Come to think of it, they probably would know what Trunks' and Goten's ki signatures sensed like, so it wouldn't be like they'd worry that this was a completely different being all together. Still, the question remains: why didn't they investigate when Trunks' and Goten's ki signatures suddenly shot up to Super Saiyan levels?
      • It's even stranger because it's all but confirmed that Vegeta did at least some training with Trunks. That's why Trunk's ki control is so far beyond Goten and why he could (even if he apparently didn't in the name of sportmsanship or something) fly. Yet he never accidentally pushed through with Vegeta. The way he reveals it to Vegeta it's like it was such a non-issue that he didn't tell Vegeta because it simply never came up in casual conversation.
  • Aside from speeding up the plot why are Goten and Trunks even friends? Nothing seems to indicate that Bulma and Chi Chi are particularly close. In fact Bulma being basically Bill Gates, Goku being dead and Bulma not stepping in to provide a few thousand Zenni suggests they aren't close at all. Gohan and Vegeta don't appear to be chummy at all. By comparison Goku, Krillin and Bulma are all very close and Gohan was four before they were even made aware he existed. If Goku didn't send out announcements I can't imagine that Chi Chi would have.
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    Vegeta 
  • Shouldn't Vegeta be the king of all Saiyans instead of prince of all Saiyans considering the state of the fomer king? or is the Saiyan throne not hereditary?
    • What Saiyans? Goku and Gohan? Come on...'
      • Even worse than that. Assuming all the Sayians on the planet were pure-bloodied Sayians, that means the only other Sayain Vegeta could "rule" over is...Goku. The others (Gohan, Goten, and Trunks) are half-Sayians.
    • Vegeta is still prince for the same reason most "princess" without parents in fiction are still "princesses": because they like the title better.
    • Vegeta was born a prince, but he would have to be crowned in an official ceremony to be the King. Not exactly easy when your monarchy and the planet it is meant to rule is space dust.
    • Vegeta could declare himself King of the Saiyans at any time he wanted. Ceremony doesn't mean much when A) you would be the king of 4-8 people total, and B) you could kill any of those four without too much effort(Broly excluded from this point, and assuming it takes place before the saiyan saga to cover Goku). The thing is, even Vegeta, as vain as he was, could see what a pointless, petty, childish, immature act that would be. It would be akin to a kid sitting down in the sandbox at the park and declaring himself king of it, demanding tribute from the other kids who just shake their heads and go play on the swing set. He would get no end of mocking for it from the higher ups in Frieza's army, something he was well aware of. He was a prince by birth, had grown up as a prince when that still meant something, so he was comfortable using that title.
  • Vegeta is awful forgiving awful fast. I know becoming the most powerful being on the presumably in the universe can put you in a mighty good mood but honestly after at everything Gohan and Krillian put him through both intentionally and unintentionally there is no way they'd still be alive when Goku arrives two years later if I'm Vegeta. I kill Piccolo and Gohan out right because they are threats expecially if I let my gaurd down. I don't believe Goku's alive so I'm not worried about him showing up. Meanwhile I either train up to Super Saiyan which I now know is possible OR I install myself as the the new emperor of Earth. Sure it ends badly for me when Goku shows up and curb stomps me but no way is the kid who screwed me out of immortality getting a pass.
    • At the end of the Namek saga, Piccolo was pretty much his equal. "Just kill Piccolo" just wasn't going to happen. Not to mention Vegeta's purpose in life was destroying Frieza and becoming the strongest Saiyan ever. With Goku swiping both goals out from under him, his focus shifted to defeating/surpassing Goku. Ruling Earth never crossed his mind. And even if it did: Again - Piccolo (who, at this point, still had his trump card of re-merging with Kami)
      • We don't have anyway of knowing if Kami would have consented. Considering he didn't use that solution with Vegeta and Nappa, a decision that directly led to his death, and how hesitant he was to step into the android situation it's likely that King Vegeta is not a sufficient threat for him to accept that.
      • Piccolo was nowhere near Vegeta's level. He didn't get much of a chance to show off after his final Namek-era power-up (assuming that being resurrected didn't give him yet another one), but Vegeta was able to flat out outrun(fly) an attack that Piccolo only saw as a glint of light that instantly caused people/islands behind him to die. On the other hand, without Frieza to try and overthrow, he had no real reason to try and avenge himself on the guys that had nearly gotten themselves killed repeatedly (or actually, in Kuririn's case) helping him overthrow Frieza, and put themselves in harm's way to save his life at least once (against Recoome). He only wanted the immortality so that he could beat Frieza, so as long as they leave him alone now that all that is done with, he's just dandy with training himself to Goku's level. Besides, he might even appreciate his first beating, considering that it was what allowed him to stand a chance against Frieza's men on Namek.
      • Vegeta was at most Piccolo's equal by that point. Piccolo stood up to Form 2 Frieza fairly well, while Vegeta didn't have a chance. His healing by Dende boosted him, but there's no way it pushed him -that- far.
      • Vegeta could see what Frieza 4th Form was doing. Piccolo couldn't. Power levels are bullshit but observable evidence puts Vegeta well over Piccolo by that point.
      • All the same, Piccolo + Gohan was a very real threat to Vegeta.
    • Having an on-again-off-again with an attractive superwealthy technowhiz with an endless supply of free (to you) training equipment and effectively zero serious rivals might be the better situation that Vegeta might have otherwise hoped for. As for the grudge against Gohan and Krillin, it may be safe to say he was simply biding his time until he was sure he could curb stomp any opposition or repercussion. The only time he knew for a fact that he was the strongest Z-Fighter around happened to coincide with other enemies attracting the lion's share of his battle lust.
  • Did Vegeta and Bulma actually got married? They are treated as husband and wife late in the series, and in GT at least with its dubious canonicity Bulma calls herself the Wife of the Prince of the Saiyajin; but I know that doesn't mean they actually did the whole process.
    • I think we're supposed to assume they did the whole process during the three-year time skip before the Androids, or the seven-year time skip before Buu. You could ask the same of Krillin and 18. All we know is that they're apparently raising their daughter together, and apparently live together even though we don't see them do the actual wedding.
      • I believe in real life there's a concept called common-law marriage, where if two romantic partners live together for a long enough time they can be considered legally married in some jurisdictions. Maybe while parenting Trunks for seven years Bulma and Vegeta became married this way along the road?
    • If Vegeta and Bulma actually got married instead of just going common-law, then it would have been in the post-Cell pre-Buu time skip. It's generally implied that their relationship started as a purely physical thing and they only ever really bonded over their kid, and even that was only really a thing because Vegeta spent so much time with future-Trunks during the Cell Saga.
  • Now that the Dragon Balls are as easy to find as picking flowers, how come Vegeta has never tried to bring back Planet Vegeta and his family? By the end of the series he's powerful enough that none of them would be a match for him, and Goku would just swat them down if they tried to take over any planets.
    • For the same reason Superman didn't travel back in time to save Krypton, or Batman didn't travel back in time to save his parents, even thought the JLA Watchtower has a time machine: because the story says so.
    • By that time, the Earth Dragon Balls could've only restored the planet, not the people. (One-year time limit to resurrect someone). The Namekian Dragon Balls could've circumvented this (maybe), but you'd need to make the wishes in the Namek native tongue. And The Nameks wouldn't have helped him (and not just because they'd remember him killing as many of their kind as Frieza).
    • I'm talking at any time in the series, not just during the Namek saga. After Buu, maybe. If necessary have Goku make the wish for you (bait him with the thought of super strong fighters). What I'm wondering is why Vegeta never even thought of it.
      • Still would've been far too late to resurrect the people with the Earth Dragon Balls (even the Goku!Balls)
      • Not necessarily. They had Dende as a new god who could make new Dragon Balls with new rules.
      • Which he did, and they still couldn't.
      • I don't remember them saying at that point that the old rule was still in effect. So many old rules had been tossed out at that point anyway.
    • Use the Earth Dragon Balls to find out how to phrase the wish in Namekian, then use the Namekian ones to make the main wish.
      • Which still leaves you with the problem with the Nameks saying "no".
      • Also (as reminded by the Deader Than Dead section), the Namek Dragon Balls can resurrect dead people multiple times, but it was explicitly stated that they can only bring back one person per wish. (See Piccolo's resurrection)
      • This limitation did no longer apply to the new Dragon Balls. During the Buu-Saga, they were able to revive all humans at the same time.
    • Why would Vegeta want to bring back his family? He's expressed his disdain for them several times in the series (notably to Doria and later to Freezer). He explicitly says he's not using the Dragon Balls to bring back Raditz, and he kills Nappa himself. The only Saiyan he ever gets any kind of respect for is Goku, and the first time he admits it is towards the end of the Cell arc.
      • There's a big difference between Vegeta not liking Raditz or his family all that much and Vegeta not caring that his entire species was essentially extinct. I mean, I guess you could say Vegeta didn't want to risk any other Saiyan surpassing him in power (early in the Frieza Saga he got all bent out of shape that a "common soldier" like Goku turned out to be more powerful than him) but even that seems a bit of a stretch...
    • Vegeta couldn't revive his race if he wanted to. Of course, when he realized Goku was resurrected, he thought of wishing for his own immortality before the Saiyan race. But even then, the Saiyans had been wiped out for twenty-five years. Arguably nothing could be done. Also, the resurrection of the Nameks killed by Freeza or in his name were resurrected. Not those by Vegeta. One would presume that they couldn't revive that group if they wanted. However, it would seem the Namekian Dragon Balls also have a one-year limit to death. Or in their case, three Namekian years. Also, what good is reviving the planet (If possible. It was destroyed over several decades ago), if the Dragon God can't revive the people?
    • A better question would have been, why didn't Vegeta use Earth's Dragon Balls to wish himself immortal? He considered it, but then just forgot about it. Isn't there a Hand Wave or something?
      • If I'm not mistaken, the reason why he wanted immortality in the first place was to always be able to eventually kill Freeza, no matter how many times he lost. After Freeza's death and attaining a family, it wasn't important to him anymore.
    • Even if the saiyans could get revived, I don't think Goku would allow the wish to be granted. The saiyans are ruthless killers. You can send King Vegeta and his people to another planet, but that wouldn't stop them from killing innocent people and growing stronger. Vegeta would be forced to kill his own father. I doubt King Vegeta would be cool with Prince Vegeta being married to a weak earth woman. The king might even try to abduct Young Trunks like what Raditz did to his nephew.
    • The answer mostly comes down to the fact that while you could make a wish on the Dragonballs to restore the planet, it wouldn't restore the saiyan race as they were long past the time limit. That said Vegeta probably wouldn't wish them back anyway. His reasoning would change with which point in the timeline you're in (Vegeta is a very dynamic character. It's one of the best things about him). When we're first introduced to him he likely wouldn't wish them back because his first priority is immortality and the fact that until he can establish himself he doesn't want any threats to his own power. Later on he wouldn't want to deal with another low born saiyan surpassing him. By the time of Dragonball Super it would mostly be Vegeta not wanting risk to his family. Remember that the saiyans were a race of warriors and killers and Vegeta's comments about class and his elitism towards the beginning of DBZ implies that there was something of a caste system and that outsiders were not tolerated. Not to mention the fact that as a member of the royal bloodline would likely mean that he would be held to a higher standard (in both ability and choice of companion). Dragonball Super makes it clear that Vegeta loves Bulma and Trunks and that he won't tolerate anything that puts them at risk (the Future Trunks arc show us that Vegeta intends to kill Goku Black for his murder of Future Bulma and his treatment of Future Trunk. Hell, in the Battle of the Gods movie Vegeta completely loses his shit when Beerus slaps Bulma.
  • If the clothes Vegeta wears during the Buu Saga are just the clothes he wore during the Android/Cell Saga, but with the armor removed because of the tournament rules... what happened to his sleeves?
    • There's nothing indicating that this is the case. It's never stated, they're baggier, and they're a different color (at least in the anime). I've always assumed as the series went on he just wore armor that was less and less resembling Freeza soldier armor and more like something an Earthling would wear as a subtle nod to his character development. After Buu the only thing resembling his old outfit is the gloves and boots.

    Others/Uncategorized 
  • Why didn't Piccolo take over as guardian of earth at some point after the Cell Saga? By that point he was considerably stronger than a regular super saiyan; one of the most stated limitations of the dragon balls is the dragon can't affect beings stronger than its creator. If Piccolo took over and made a new dragon, then Shenron's powers would presumably vastly increase. While this wasn't necessarily an immediate concern, what with Gohan and Vegeta still around to handle any threats during this time, Piccolo was going to outlive them and the dragon balls would still be around for hundreds of years, giving future generations a huge advantage.
    • Because by that point, Dende was the new Guardian of the Earth. Either it just never occured to Piccolo that he could take over after Kami, or he didn't want the job (didn't he once comment how he thought Kami's job was a waste?) I mean, if he did want to be the new guardian, he would've cut Goku's search short by saying that he'd gladly do it.
    • The reason Kami and Piccolo separated in the first place was because the evil that was inside the Nameless Namekian, which made him unfit to become Kamisama. After they reunited Piccolo was again unfit to become Earth's god so Dende had to stay permanently in place, he wasn't a temporal solution. Also, apparently only a Namek in a Planet's guardian/god position (Kami, Guru) is able to make Dragonballs in the first place, so there.
      • Except the evil inside the Nameless Namekian disqualifying him to be Kamisama was the OPINION of the previous Kami. He apparently was strong enough that he had to give up his position or at least the Namelss was polite enough not to force his hand. Also where is it stated that only a God/Gaurdian can create Dragonballs?
      • Only Namekians of the Dragon Clan can create Dragon balls. Piccolo is a warrior Namekian, he just doesn't have the capacity.

  • I know that Dragon Ball Z isn't really known for its scientific accuracy, but how come the Z fighters are able to hear each other while they're flying? The roar of the wind rushing past their ears should be enough to drown their voices out even if they're yelling. And let's not forget that later in the series these characters are clearly flying faster than the speed of sound (it's been mentioned several times that they're able to fly faster than the fastest jets), so in those cases they'd be outrunning the sounds their own voices, and then their voices would be drowned out by the sonic boom.
    • Ki enhanced hearing. Yes its a cop out but everything in this series is the result of either ki or magic.

  • Chilled was incredibly powerful, a lot more than we saw. We know that Frieza's species doesn't actually transform "up" to gain power, they transform DOWN to control their radical power. Chilled in his most restrained form was able breifly to hold off an attack from a Super Saiyan. Compare this to Frieza who needed his 4th form to fight a NON Super Saiyan. Judging by how much more powerful Frieza's 4th and Cooler's 5th form are Chilled probably would have curb stomped Bardock in form 2.
    • I'm sorry but who is Chilled? because he sounds like he has Ass Pull level powers to me.
    • He is the villain from the new Bardock manga and Ova, an ancestor of Frieza's family who fought SSJ Bardock and was defeated. Speaking of which, Bardock was around 10k points in the Special, if he got a Zenkai after Frieza's attack his power may have raised to around 20k, so when he transformed into SSJ his power would have gone up to around 500k-1M, if Bardock was able to defeat Chilled he would have had to be much weaker than that, which makes him inferior to Form 1 Frieza.
    • I'm not going to argue Personal Continuity here because we all have the right to discover our own interpretation of how a story should be told. However plot holes as glaring as that one is why barely canon manga/films such as this tend to drag down the entire franchise. For example if we were to assume both Chilled and Cooler are real, then how the hell did Frieza become so feared and powerful when he was so God damn weak in comparison to the rest of his family? Also the family theme naming is starting to get pretty ridiculous. I would bet real money we will one day encounter the dreaded Icebox.
      • You could make argument that Frieza is the most powerful member of his family. Chilled never got started, all we know for certain is he couldn't beat a Super Saiyan in his weakest form. As for Cooler he had to transform to a fifth form to fight Goku and got destroyed when Goku went Super Saiyan. All the evidence suppors Frieza>Cooler. King Cold and Chilled we honestly don't have enough data to chart them.
      • Fourth form Frieza was 120million, Fifth form Cooler was 470million(Frieza was stronger than Cooler's fourth form, though). That being said, we're not entirely clear on how the species transformations work. Yes, we know they transform down to limit their power instead of transforming up to increase it, and yes we know that Frieza's fourth form was his true form. We do not, however, know for certainty that Chilled wasn't in his true form when he fought Bardock. Likewise, we don't know that Cold is actually in his "second form" or that Cooler is actually in his "fourth form". Just because their appearances are similar to Frieza's various forms doesn't mean they have the same number or equate to the same relative level of power.
      • Where is it documented that Fifth Form Cooler was 470 million? Super Saiyan Goku wasn't that much stronger than Frieza and in Cooler's revenge he clearly hadn't managed to master transforming at will. I find it hard to believe he was over 500 million in the movie.
      • Chronologically, the guidebooks place this movie during the middle of the android training. Plenty of time for him to get a lot stronger. Cooler's probably as strong or stronger than Goku right after returning from Yardrat (who was enough to casually curbstomp the guy who casually curbstomped Freeza), given that he almost killed the much stronger Goku during Cooler's Revenge.
      • Freezer�s battle power was one million five hundred thousand while Goku�s was three million. Heck, to give you an idea, Broly�s BP is thirty three million; enough to beat up the Super Saiyan 2 with ease. So yeah, four hundred and seventy million is a bit of an exaggeration. That aside, I don�t think it�s much of a stretch to assume Cooler has a better control of his powers as well as having surpassed the limits by getting an extra transformation. Can�t speak about King Cold, though. And as for Chilled�evidently Toriyama was in the need to remodel his kitchen.
      • That's actually completely wrong. Freeza was 120,000,000 and Goku 150,000,000 according to guides.
    • We're forgetting the fact that Chilled was busted by Super Saiyan Bardock. Who was a low level Saiyan, probably around Raditz's power level, maybe a league over it. Taking acount of some effect of the Zenkai power after he survived Freezer's beam, his super saiyan form was kind of enough to defeat an untransformed Chilled. Maybe. I don't care, it's Fanon Discontinuity to me.
      • While I'm not about to try to convince you to accept Super Saiyan Bardock as canon- I sure as hell don't- Bardock's first movie places him somewhere in the neighborhood of 9k-10k, about eight times stronger than Raditz. Being that Supersaiyan is a x50 power boost, that would place him at roughly 450k-500k. Freeza in his first form is about 530k, so this matter is rather simple; Chilled is considerably weaker than his descendants.

  • Seriously - why was Tien the only one not willing to let Vegeta off the hook for all the nasty things he did? Not attacking him because he could kill you without effort is one thing. But the other Z-Senshi were downright chummy with him. (Well, as chummy as you could be with Vegeta).
    • Yamcha never had much of a backbone, Krillin outright says he doesn't antagonize Vegeta (and Piccolo, for that matter) so they won't go on a rampage, Gohan has practically zero interaction with him, and Goku's just that kind of guy. Nobody else is anywhere near his weight class.
    • Also, think about what happened to Tien in the Saiyan Arc. Sure, Piccolo and Yamcha also died at Nappa's hand, but Tien had to watch Chiaotzu die in a vain attempt to kill Nappa, and then he had his freaking arm torn off before he died too.
      • Speaking of which, Nappa killed all their friends,and Vegeta killed Nappa.So,shouldn't that help his case?
      • Nope, because he didn't kill him out of repentance or penance but because Nappa was embarrassing him. It's the thought that counts, not the deed.
    • By the time Cell and the androids rolled around, even Ten Shin Han accepted Vegeta as part of the team.
    • Even with all these guys, to call their relationships "chummy" is an extreme exaggeration. They put up with him and vice-versa, but all the way to the end of the Cell saga, the only one who even tries to be friendly with Vegeta is Goku. Even Gohan keeps his distance until the Saiyaman saga, by which point Vegeta had softened up considerably.
    • Except for Bulma, who has a kid by and later MARRIES the man responsible for her ex-boyfriend's death.
      • Well, Krillin implied/told Bulma during Freeza's return episodes that it would be a good idea to become friends with Vegeta so that he can do a Heel–Face Turn. They are likely "Friends with Benefits," by the Cell Saga.
      • Even Bulma still thinks he's a huge jerk all the way to the end of Cell Saga...which leaves us fans to be eternally tormented by the question of how exactly they got far enough to err, produce Trunks. This troper suspects alcohol was involved.
      • This troper agrees with the above statement about alcohol.
      • The Cell Saga made it clear that what Vegeta and Bulma had was lust, not love. See Trunks' blushing confession that their relationship was "more of a physical thing." (other troper question: where is this line stated? I don't remember it) This Troper could easily see them as the anime equivalent of The Bickersons. The really WT Fery comes with the Great Saiyaman story where they're Happily Married. Note that neither the manga nor anime try to explain how those two have stayed together without a murder occuring.
      • How? They're raising a child together. Neither wants to hurt little Trunks, so they don't separate, and they find common ground in raising him and such. Insert generic romance movie here.
      • Future Trunks is responsible for that. In 'his' timeline Bulma and Vegeta never did get together, but thanks to Vegeta meeting FT in this timeline he realized "you know my son's a pretty cool guy" and he wanted to stick around and raise him. Cue Happily Married for them and "my dad wasn't so bad" for Future Trunks and everybody's happy.
      • I think I solved the Bulma-Vegeta puzzle. Calculating her age at the time Trunks was born she would've been 31/32-ish. Nothing like The Attack of the Biological Clock Blues to make the nearest vaguely male alien look attractive. As for Vegeta, who'd turn down a free slice of hot poontang pie?
      • The answer to this question is pretty easy to explain. It's basically kinda like in Watchmen between Edward Blake(the Comedian) and Sally Jupiter (the first Silk Spectre), without the Attempted Rape. As Future Trunks explained, Yamcha and Bulma broke up. Bulma was feeling very lonely, but then she saw in Vegeta the same loneliness and his gradual decency (but not that much yet), masked by pride. They had a one-night stand, but no romance developed further from there until years later. That's all. Nothing confusing about it. That's how they can dislike each other, but still have a kid together. Plenty of examples like that in Real Life.
      • Further question, how the hell do Saiyans "produce" with humans without any major squick happening?
      • What's Squick about it? We can tell from naked pics of Goku from his childhood that Saiyans are built exactly like humans, except for the tail thing. In a world populated with flying cats, talking pigs and dinosaurs, a human (or so they think) with a tail isn't anything to be squicked out about. No one's squicked by Tenshinhan, for example, and he's got three eyes. And as for Bulma she most likely didn't care.
      • I think he's talking about the Saiyans "breaking" their partner. Remember, even though he WAS in SS at the time Goku shattered a wine glass by accident. With two fingers. Now then imagine what happens when they're all "riled up" and don't have the best self control
      • AFAIK only Goku has problems controlling his strength in the manga (remember him whacking Chichi by accident). All the other Saiyan and Saiyan hybrids hold themselves back just fine. It's either because of his head trauma or because he's just plain Goku.
      • More likely, it's because he's not used to being a Super Saiyan in everyday life. Normally, that's a mode he only uses in life-or-death battles, which tend to last only a few minutes (despite it seeming much longer due to the pacing of the story) and in which no attempt is made to restrain the added strength. So Goku was restraining himself to the degree that he normally does, it's just that he was dozens of times stronger than he normally is.
      • Or, you know, Rule of Funny.
  • So here is a quick and easy way for them to hide/transport the dragonballs on both Earth and Namek... capsule them. Put them in one of Bulma's capsule vehicles and shrink them. Why all the fuss of trying to hide the things when you can store the entire lot in your pocket? Also, whilst we have no way to be sure, wouldn't hiding the things in a capsule dampen the Electromagnetic signal they give off? would have been at least WORTH an attempt when you are trying to hide them from the Red Ribbon Army or Frieza's Trade Organization for example.
    • It's not really worth the effort. Frieza was the last villian searching for the Dragonballs and there is no reason to take precautions against guys like Pillaf at all.
    • Only three groups were after the Dragon Balls, Pilaf, Red Ribbon Army, and Frieza. The first the heroes didn't even know about until they stumbled over him and defeated him. The second were largely the enemy of Goku, who's not bright enough to come up with the idea and anyway they were never worried about the RR coming after them. The last group was searching for Dragon Balls, they were searching for Namekian villages that would have them. When Vegeta kills off a village and hides the ball, their only recourse was to beat the information out of him.
  • In what way is Kami a guardian? He never does anything to guard the Earth. The only time he has ever shown trying to defend the Earth is when he went up agaisnt Piccolo during the 23rd budokai. All other times all he does is just sit on his lookout doing nothing, I wouldn't call him a "guardian". And sure he created the Dragon Balls but they could have been used just as much for evil as good. If he was a smart guardian, he would have just got rid of the time limit, removed the effect of them flying off every time they're used and kept them on his lookout for whenever something went wrong on Earth.
    • It's possible that it's some combination of the exact nature of the cosmos wasn't fully formed early on. We know Kami means God, perhaps Kami is technically his title and not his name but when it was just Dragonball they didn't think to give him two names. Kinda like Kai is is a title, perhaps he's supposed to be named Kami Kai though I find the former more likely and that Dende is supposed to be called Kami Dende or Dende Kami now but by the time he showed up he knew his pay grade. It was damn unlikely Vegeta was going to call that punk kid from Namek God Dende. While it eventually turned out to be false I don't think King Kai was lying about planet Vegeta having a guardian that summoned a meteor. I think that was the truth until he decided Frieza doing it was a better idea. Each planet gets a Kami and a set of Dragonballs. Each galaxy gets a Kai, each universe a Supreme Kai (assuming Dragonball has a functioning Multiverse.
    • I don't think he guards in the physical sense so much as the spiritual sense; he is the god of the planetnote , remember, and has been shown dealing with the passage to the afterlife and negotiating of where in the afterlife people go. Plus, the threats kinda exceeded his ability to handle after Piccolo, and he DID provide consistent aid, training, and sanctuary for his Champions after that.
      • Plus he did try to stop Piccolo when he appeared at the tournament.
    • Technically, each Kaioh rules a quadrant of the universe, and each Kaiohshin rules the same quadrant AND the afterlife. It's All There in the Manual. But yeah, Dragon Ball deities are funny like that.
    • Before he was surpassed by Goku, with the exception of King Piccolo and perhaps Popo (given his ability to later spar two Super Saiyans), Kami was the strongest being on Earth for hundreds of years and thus perfectly capable of defending it. Its also shown that Kami has been drastically weakened by age so logically he should have been able to fight pre-Kaioken Goku is his prime. As for the Kais, they not only have a similar problem of being surpassed by new threats, but seem to have been the victim of great stagnation in their society. Every featured Kai has been shown to either be overconfident or lazy enough to believe they don't need to train; both King, Grand and Supreme Kai seem to spend their entire lives relaxing or clowning about - when was last time we have seen them practice? It's one of the reasons they're all so startled when they meet a Super Saiyan for the first time.
      • There is another alternative that no one seems to have considered... that Kami is a coward. When King Piccolo was released and started murdering martial artists, Kami had four very clear courses of action. 1) Seek out Piccolo and immediately kill his spawn (childs play for a warrior as powerful as him) so they can't get in his way, then use the Evil Containment wave to capture him. We know King Piccolo has no counter for this technique and we know he is so afraid of it that it strickens him with paralysis. 2) If option 1 fails, just confront Piccolo and fight him to the death. No matter who wins both will die. Every single one of the people he is pledged to protect is now saved. 3) Circumvent options 1 and 2 and just commit suicide in the comfort - resulting in the exact same result as 2. 4) Sit in your near-impregnable aerial fortress as a small child gets nearly beaten to death twice, watch as many innocent men and women are murdered and sit by and do nothing as King Piccolo conquers the planet and declares all law null and void. Options 1 - 3 are what a Hero pledged to guard the Earth would do. Option 4 is what Yajirobe or Oolong would do. And if you think I'm being too hard on Kami remember... this is the second time he has chosen option 4. In every flashback we have seen Kind Piccolo's original conquest of Earth, in which we saw global terror and Mutaito and the Hermits fight a losing battle to save the Earth, have we heard of a single thing Kami ever did? he is one of the two strongest beings on Earth. Options 2 - 3 are fully open to him at this point and arguably even option 1. Either Mutaito developed the Containment Wave himself or he learnt it from another Master; in both cases Kami would have to have learnt it during their lifetimes in order for him to be able to throw it against Piccolo Jr - assuming it wasn't Kami that taught Mutaito which would officially make Kami a dick as well as a coward.
      • By the time Piccolo Sr. had been unsealed, Kami had grown cynical in his opinion of humanity and life on Earth, which is why he originally planned to leave the Dragon Balls destroyed an unusable. It was probably not only this cynicism, but also all his other duties as Guardian of the Earth (whatever those might entail) that caused him to not take action. He is by no means a coward, given he willingly fused with Piccolo and allowed Piccolo to remain the conscious persona, thus ceasing his own existence.
      • Option 1 wasn't available, since Kami was only aware of the Mafuba technique after Mutaito (Roshi's master) created and used it to seal Piccolo Sr. This was explicitly stated in the story. Killing himself would remove any possibility of making up for the actions of Piccolo Sr. - in case you've forgotten, he created the Dragon Balls to do just that. Besides, he'd need to have a successor of some sort in place if he ever did something as drastic as killing himself, and there wasn't anyone who fit the bill until Goku came along (given that being pure-hearted and fairly powerful are requirements).
      • According to Kami, God cannot kill himself. The exact reasons why are unclear, but he certainly intends to have Goku kill Piccolo Jr. without even mentioning what will happen to him. And when Goku proves unwilling and Piccolo too powerful Kami tries to get Tien to off him. His lack of action during King Piccolo's rampages come from him not being able to kill himself and having to trust that humanity would get the job done.
    • Kami obviously doesn't have the physical ability to actually "guard" the Earth, but he helps in what ways he can - such as when he helped Goku to go see King Kai, and escorted him back to Earth, and allowing the Z Fighters to train on his lookout.

  • How come the citizens of the DBZ world never wonder how they keep dying and coming back to life? Apart from the Buu Saga, their memories of being killed were never explicitly wiped out, so why don't they ever wonder who brought them back to life and how?
    • The Buu saga is the only one where anyone besides the Z fighters themselves are brought back to life, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
      • The Cell saga? They wished everyone in that saga to be brought back to life.
      • They probably thought it was a side effect of Hercule destroying Cell in that case.
      • In Super, chapter 31, he speaks on TV about "his" fight with Cell and during this show, it's explained this way.
  • Supreme Kai always refers to the Z fighters as "Mere Mortals"... but isn't he himself a Mortal?
    • Yeah he is mortal in the sense that he can be killed, but not in the sense that he doesn't age and would never die of natural causes...he probably has lived for so long that for all intents and purposes he considered himself immortal.
    • Immortality in Dragon Ball has always been pretty consistant. It allows the user eternal life but not invincibility. For example Master Roshi was stated to have drunk from the Fountain of Youth which froze his age as an old man - but he is still very much vulnerable to being killed by outside sources. Garlic Junior wished for immortality and was indeed capable of regeneration on a semi-Buu like scale, but he was far from indestructible. The only reason they had to trap him in the Dead Zone is that they were completely hindered by their low power levels - a Super Saiyan would have been able to vapourize Garlic. The Kai's and Buu also work on the exact same principles - immunity to age but not immunity to death.
      • Didn't Garlic recover from a hole inside himself? Granted, it was the anime filler, but I assume that's on equal terms of "canon" as the Dead Zone movie.
      • Yes he did; but that proves that he can be killed it's just that like Cell and Buu you need to destroy every single bit of him before he regenerates. Like the Troper above points out that whilst Garlic seemed strong he was initially defeated by the pre-Raditz Z Fighters - Super Saiyan Goku would have done a lot more than blow a small hole in Garlic's chest.
    • Keep in mind Kami's name means god, and look at how he compares to the rest of the universe. He's below Yama, who is below King/North Kai, who is below Grand Kai, who is below Supreme Kai. It's less about mortality and immortality and more about the Z fighters not being gods.

  • If Shenron can't do anything that's beyond Kami's abilities, why didn't Kami just resurrect everybody instead of having to search for the Dragon Balls every time? Hell, why didn't he render Goku (or failing that, HIMSELF) immortal?
    • So A) nobody ever wishes themselves immortal in DBZ, so we don't even know if the dragon can actually grant that wish. Piccolo grants himself youth, so maybe eternal youth is within the dragon's capabilities, but not preventing you from death in battle. But, then again, Roshi seems to live forever (he might have drunk some magic water at some point), too, so it is not as useful as you'd think. B) Just because something is within Kami's power, doesn't mean he has the skills to do it. Remember, it is magic!
      • At one point it's stated that Roshi has drunk from the Fountain of Youth AND at one time he had access to the legendary Phoenix which was apparently capable of granting immortality(This was his original reward for Goku before he decided on giving him the Flying Nimbus)
    • Garlic Jr actually does wish for immortality. Which just means the heroes shove him into The Dead Zone for all eternity. Besides, most in the DBZverseeven think about immortality less in terms of "Will never die" and more "Unkillable". Once you're strong enough to kick God's ass, living forever might seem to hold less allure.
      • Garlic Jr. Was this just in the movie or in the anime filler? Either way, not strictly canon. Regardless, I think the original query is just outside the dragon's powers — and Kami cannot grant all sorts of wishes, no more than you can play video games on your laptop's battery. Kami is the source of the Dragon's power, that doesn't mean he has all the dragon's skills.
      • Also, Kami probably wouldn't have done it, because, outside the Dragon Balls, he doesn't like to specifically interfere with Earth. Remember, the Namek Dragon barely ever used his resurrection abilities because the Nameks saw death as natural, and it wasn't until someone started a genocidal campaign against them that they considered using it. As for rendering Goku immortal, at the end of Dragon Ball Goku specifically says he doesn't want Kami to do anything like that to him, and, as for himself... well, perhaps that's breaking the rules.
      • Yeah, I'd say for the Guardian of Earth, making someone immortal would be a very dangerous and unguardianly thing to do. However, like you mentioned, Goku had the opportunity to become the guardian at one point, which he turned down.
    • Rou-Dai-Kaioushin, the most ancient and wise of all of the DB-verse's Gods considers the Dragon Balls the equivalent of cosmic cheat codes, so presumably they allow a God's strength to be used to fuel abilities that the Gods themselves do not inherently possess.
    • I always figured it was something like the Dragon Balls were a rechargeable reflection of Kami's maximum potential. Like a young Kami in his prime using the full extent of his power would be able to do something like resurrect everyone on Earth or grant immortality to a person, but at the cost of his own life. Whereas the Dragon Balls are capable of doing the same with the only consequence being a 1 year recharging period.
    • Shenron can't do anything beyond Kami's power, not anything Kami can't do. Goku is probably a thousand times stronger than Dende but he can't heal even though Dende can. Shenron just has access to skills Kami doesn't but in the event he needs to flex his muscles, like say by messing with the Saiyans, he only has Kami's muscles to flex.
  • Chao Tzu and Goku are both children in Dragon Ball. In DBZ Chao Tzu is still a child when Goku has gone on to have a son.
    • Dude's either a midget or some magical being that ages slowly. Note that his close friend Tien didn't seem to age much, either, and neither of them exactly match the standard human phenotype- Chao Tzu looks like a clown, and Tien's a Triclops.
    • Chiaotzu is a Chinese mythical being, I forget what it's called but it's like a zombie crossed with a vampire. There's also a Dragon Ball feature length adventure that implies he's a weird king with Tien as his bodyguard, but it's not quite canon. "Not the standard human phenotype" doesn't count for much in the Dragon Ball world, where aliens, animals, and mythical beasts rarely have any problems living, conversing, and breeding with humans.
      • Doesn't imply; him being an Emperor plays a noticable part of the movie.
      • The mythical being you're thinking of is a Jiang Shi, aka Hopping Vampire.
  • Why do the humans refuse to try and keep up with the Saiyans? After just a few weeks training with King Kai they are stronger than Goku was after a year of the same training. Can you imagine what would have happened if they'd thought like Vegeta and said screw thousands of years of tradition and trained with technology?
    • Yamcha did try the gravity chamber and it almost killed him. Also, I wouldn't say they became stronger than Goku, just stronger than the Ginyu Force, and they still had some difficulty with that. Goku took the Ginyu Force down so easily he was surprised.
      • That's because Yamcha tried the gravity chamber at the same setting Vegeta was using (one that nearly crippled him when he first tried it), rather than starting from scratch.
      • Exactly he started at 100 or 300 times gravity instead of ten or twenty. If he'd gone through the steps it would have worked. And they were clearly stronger than Goku. Goku after training with King Kai could barely stand up to Vegeta. Several beatings and healings later Vegeta could not beat Recoom. The three of them beat four of the Ginyu Force without much difficulty. So clearly each of them was stronger then Vegeta had been on earth. And that was after a couple of weeks of training with King Kai not over a year. Humans couldn't keep up because they didn't try. Gravity training works.
      • Problem is; it always comes down to the same thing - humans can't transform. Then human Z Fighters were able to keep up with Goku and Vegeta during the Saiyan and Namek saga's but once they learnt Super Saiyan (for reference it multiplies their base power by 50) Yamcha, Krillin and Tien were never going to be able to fight equally. Theoretically the only two ways they could have potentially corrected this imbalance would be to A) train their bodies to sustain a Kaioken x50; with the problem that the Kaioken techique doesn't last as long as Super Saiyan or B) copy Master Roshi's ability to double in size; which whilst no doubt effective (it endowed Roshi the abilty to destroy the moon) it would have the same disadvantages of a Super Saiyan Grade 3 - namely it would reduce your speed dramatically.
      • The humans weren't even close in the Saiyan and Namek arcs to Goku and Vegeta, and there's no way they could even keep up with their base forms, let alone transformations. Goku on Namek had a power level of 3,000,000 and it is implied he went on to raise his base power level above Freeza's 120,000,000 by the Boo saga. The humans had power levels below 2,000 in the Saiyan saga, they had absolutely no chance at keeping up, no matter what they could have tried.
    • Humans vs Ginyu force was filler.
      • True, but there is at least something to be said about humans that is not filler. Consider this: after Goku beats Piccolo Daimao, he goes to train under Kami. After a whole three years of intense training, and then another five years where he must have at least not gone down in power, he has enough strength to... get easily splatted into a wall by Radish. Don't forget that Radish was said by Nappa to be about as strong as a Saibaman (poor guy). Now to the humans: when Bulma measures their power levels, we know they are far weaker than Goku or Piccolo. Even then, a single year (or even less) of training under Kami is enough to make them stronger than the Saibamen. I know it had to be done for the sake of the story, but it makes Goku's advancements seem a bit slow in perspective, and it makes the humans look pretty capable overall. Thus, we can only wonder just how strong they did get under King Kai. Tenshinhan is indeed able to somewhat keep Imperfect Cell at bay, after all.
      • It appears that the humans can in fact train with better results than even the Saiyans on a normal to normal basis, but what kills their chances is that they just don't have anything equivalent to Super Saiyan modes to ascend to or the remarkable healing ability.
      • The first case isn't just Kami's training, and not the same training Goku got. They got more advanced training, and did their own training afterwards. Even then, they developed at a pace they never had before, it was entirely plot driven. As was Tenshinhan holding down Semi-Perfect Cell, it was a clear example of Strong as They Need to Be seeing as one kick from Android 17 earlier was enough to take him out.
      • While it's definitely powers as the plot demands the same change the fact that Tien had to have improved a great deal very quickly. 17 might have taken him out with one kick but he's implied to be stronger than 18 and 18 basically one shotted SSJ Vegeta once she was done playing around with him. I'm not implying that Tien was on par with SSJ Vegeta only that it wouldn't shock me in the least to find out that he was on par with Ginyu or even 1st Form Frieza.
      • I think this is a major discrepancy. Also consider the idea that after fusing with Namek's strongest fighter, Piccolo only had enough strength to keep Frieza's 2nd form at bay, yet after fusing with Kami, who's something like 40 times weaker than Nail (assuming power levels aren't completely bullshit), he becomes stronger than a Super Saiyan. Sometimes the relative strengths of characters are just messed up.
      • Maybe that was because of the Fusion multiplier.
      • I think this deserves some elaboration. Humans can�t match Saiyans in power simply due to genetics. Starting with the latter�s so called �Zenkai Power�. Basically, every time a Saiyan recovers from a serious beating they get a large power up. Both, Goku and Vegeta, exploit this trait during the Namek Arc. Second, all the transformations in Super Saiyan, Full Power, SSJ2, SSJ3 and whatnot. And third, the fact that human/saiyan hybrids are especially powerful. In the long run, Humans will always lose no matter the training.The whole thing with Ten Shin Han and Cell is not Strong as They Need to Be but rather Weak, but Skilled. You see, techniques can dramatically increase the user�s �Battle Power�. This was very present in the early chapters and is the main reason Goku was able to take on Vegeta; the Kaioh Ken gives him a considerable powerboost at the cost of his body wearing faster and the Genki-Dama simply uses energy from another source. Finally, back then when The Elder Namekian read Krillin�s mind he identified Piccolo as the son of Kattatsu, a member of the dragon clan, and a prodigious with amazing potential�that got lowered severely when he split in two. This means Piccolo�s fusion with Kami goes beyond fusing with some guy to get more power; it�s basically becoming a complete being once again.
      • None of which changes the simple fact that other than on failed experiment by Yamcha the humans in particular but charachters in general have seen the results of training under extreme gravity or with a magical god putting ten ton donuts on your arms and yet they still decide to train under waterfalls. Given just how quickly the main cast got over the Saiyan and Frieza arcs (Raditz was supposedly by far the weakest named charachter in Frieza's army. By the time they reach Namek Krillan and Gohan are able to give Guldo, presumably in the top ten most powerful beings in the universe a good run for his money. Maybe the lack of transformations really is that crippling that they truly couldn't keep up but the point is they clearly aren't trying.
      • Gurdo was the weakest member of the team, you know; to the point Krillin wondered what he was doing there. The key word here is time, you see. Even if the humans trained with the same methods they would not develop their strength as fast as the Saiyans. Look at Piccolo, for example, who managed to surpass the power of the Super Saiyan for a short time by fusing with Kami only to quickly fall behind when new transformation stages were revealed. Last but not least, remember that Saiyans have greater longevity than humans.
    • All the rationalizations aside, the humans were facing the Sorting Algorithm of Evil in full force. The next Big Bad always has to be a lethal challenge to the top fighters so secondary or tertiary fighters are useless in the final fight. This could have been remedied by the author if there was something worth doing beyond fighting the latest demi-god to get an anti-Saiyan rager. Even when the baddies have mooks and goons that lower-level humans can handle, it still makes more sense for Goku, Vegeta, or one of their kids to just mow them down rather than engage a prolonged fight that puts a human fighter in danger.
  • Has anyone asked how Krillin and Android 18 had a child yet? I mean... she's an android... is Marron supposed to be fully human despite being birthed by a robot?
    • This is a translation error. Androids 17 and 18 are not androids, they are cyborgs. As in regular people with augmentations, like Cyber Frieza. Marron would be 100% human as the daughter of two humans. This translation error is because the Japanese word "jinzouningen" is closer to artificial human than to android. It's the same reason Cell is technically Android 21 even though he's not a robot.
    • Goku did ask Krillin about it in one episode.
  • How exactly do ki attacks injure/kill? Granted, sometimes we see people get blown to bits or annihilated utterly, but when Piccolo intercepted that shot from Nappa to protect Gohan, his body looked mostly intact, yet he died. Same for when Gohan got blasted point-blank by Majin Buu; he was obviously bloodied, and quite close to death, but there was nothing to show/tell exactly what kind of damage was done to his body. There are other examples, but it's been 2+ years since I've actually watched DBZ, so I can't remember them off-hand.
    • Perhaps, rather than being a really hot ball of Pure Energy, a ki attack is more like a Hard Light cannonball? Or a combination of those. The damage would be internal rather than really noticeable injuries for the stronger guys.
    • Ether that or he absorbed the energy as heat across his body and it cooked him.
    • That's what I figured myself. We see smoke coming from Piccolo after the attack, so while he physically looks...well...somewhat beaten up, his insides are just roasted meat, hence he dies.
    • It's also the only way to make sense of someone blocking energy with his body. Otherwise, part of the beam would have reached Gohan passing between Piccolo's legs.
    • Ki attacks come in all varieties. We've seen bright beams of mostly kinetic energy, beams of heat energy, blasts that explode, invisible waves of pressure ala Force pushes, invisible waves that disintegrate things, etc.
  • Where do Saiyanjin get psychic powers? I've seen a couple of fics in English mention them, but I'm pretty sure that in the Latin Dub (that's very close to the original) they don't have them. Did the English Dub gave the Saiyajin Psychic Powers or where they cut in Latin America?
    • I seem to recall Goku catching up to speed telepathically when he first arrives on Namek.
    • Before that, when in the hospital, after being beaten by Vegeta, he tries to train by levitating a glass of water.
    • Roshi uses telepathy on Nam early on, who treats as just a skill martial arts masters have.
  • Okay I know DBZ isn't exactly known for its romance (wow that's an understatement) but seriously, all the couples (I'm only counting the first generation, Gohan and Videl don't count, mostly because while they had development I found them unbelievably boring) on this show are either completely incompatible or just have no real emotion connection with each other. (excluding Bulma and Vegeta, who are similar enough in personality and seem to genuinely enjoy the Slap-Slap-Kiss thing they have going on enough to actually seem compatible). I mean Goku married ChiChi because she forced him too, and seems to make every effort to not interact with her and leaves her for long periods of time without seeming to miss her or regret leaving her at all. Krillen and Android 18 are just....weird, there was no real development building up to their relationship (I know, I know, maybe I'm asking too much but even B/V had a whole mini plot going in both anime and manga, it wasn't long or detailed but it was there at least) it was just like one day he said 'i love you' and she was like 'sure why not.'
    • For what it's worth, Toriyama has stated that he doesn't know how to write romance, which is part of the reasons for the long timeskips, with the kids' existence starting as shorthand for "yes, their parents are still together."
    • I attribute Goku and Chi-Chi's relationship to this: They DO genuinely care about each other, really. It's just that sometimes their marriage lends itself to the Rule of Funny. It's more fun to see her flip out than take so much of it in stride (filler or not, I thought SHE was going to go Super Saiyan when she got lip from Krillin's first girlfriend). And I don't believe she forced him, he went along willingly (that's what I got from the dub). You really think a guy that can level mountains would stay with a woman that berates him so much if he didn't love her? Or that she would stay with a slow-witted bruiser if she didn't find something charming and loveable? As for Krillin...that guy gets so much abuse, so little credit, and doesn't get to be shown as powerful as he should be. I take #18 as Karma rewarding the guy. Yeah, it would've been interesting to see just HOW that relationship blossomed, but like you said, it's not what the show's about.
    • Correction: Vegeta and Bulma's mini-arc was pure filler in the anime. In the manga the only thing suggesting an attraction was Bulma telling him to behave himself while he stayed at her house. The anime added in filler because the relationship basically came out of nowhere because Toriyama needed another SSJ and Bulma was the only girl left.
    • The correction is partially right. While Bulma was picked because she was the only woman of the group left to bare the next SSJ, Toriyama has stated in an interview that the filler had accurately summarized his idea on how the two started to become involved (mostly on Bulma's part before her break up with Yamcha). It wasn't in the manga because, as a troper stated earlier, Toriyama didn't think he could write anything romantic and thus left it out.
    • Also, Krillin and 18 did have development, at least on a one-sided basis. Krillin crushed on her because of a combination of her whimsical kiss on the cheek and his slow realization that she and her brother were barely any more evil than he was as a kid. Acting on this all, when he could've suspended her with the controller Bulma built and destroyed her, he instead broke the controller, tried to urge her to run, and then fought by her side to fend Cell off even if it was in vain. After Gohan forced Cell to cough her up at the Cell Games (which has been debated about here as well), Krillin went and tended to her side for the duration of the battle. In the aftermath up on the lookout, she realized his feelings for her and got upset for a cup of coffee, but after watching how, when the gang summoned Shenron and had no ideas for the last wish, Krillin worked to spend it on her and her brother's behalf, she came to accept his kindness to a decent enough degree before leaving (although I'm not sure how much of this sentence was or wasn't filler, so take it as you may).
    • So you say there is no romantic developments in the same sentence as mentioning a couple that did have romantic development? Just because you didn't like it, doesn't mean you can say there is no development. Gohan/Videl isn't the only couple to get development, either.
  • Why didn't Baba get any strong fighters from the past to help out agaisnt the Saiyans/Androids/Buu? I guess Buu might of been too strong for anyone in otherworld, and POSSIBLY the Androids/Cell, but surely there was someone who had millions of years to train and was strong enough to take down Vegeta and Nappa.
    • Picon (Pikon?) was the strongest of their lot and was explicitly outclassed by Goku. It wouldn't have helped.
      • Pikkon was outclassed by Goku after the Cell Games. He would have been far and away the stronger back in the Saiyan Saga.
    • What makes you think Baba could get Pikkon? There's no reason to think that Baba can get anyone from anywhere in the galaxy, and there might well have never been anyone on Earth strong enough to fight Vegeta.
    • Baba can't just go and get some dead warrior to fix the living problems, it's the live people who should take care of their own business, besides you only get one day to return from the afterlife and if those warriors hadn't already used theirs up then probably they wouldn't want to use it on that.
      • This unfortunately raises a massive plothole. Baba has an army that consists of four warriors permanently at her base - Spike the Devil Man, Fangs the vampire, the Invisible man and a Mummy. Now, these guys are incredibly weak by even King Piccolo's standards, explaining why we don't see them again. But... Spike the Devil Man has access to the Devilmite Beam, an attack capable of literally making the heart explode of any living fighter that doesn't have a pure heart. This technique works immediately and is capable of fully working even if there is the faintest trace of evil. This makes it one of the most powerful and devastating anti-personnel techniques in the entire Dragon Ball universe. Spike could one-shot any of the Saiyan Warriors, both Piccolo's, Frieza, the Ginyu Force, Baby, Omega Shenron and even a good percentage of the Z-Warriors. Remember how Goku was immune to the Devilmite Beam because of his pure heart? well Super Saiyan amplifies a Saiyans aggressive instincts making them cold and vicious - essentially meaning Spike could even kill Super Saiyan 4 Goku, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and even Vegito. The only exceptions would be Cell and Buu due to their regenerative capabilites. Why have we never seen this guy again? why didn't Baba or any of her superiors in Otherworld order her to send Spike into battle alongside the Z Warriors? and why hasn't anyone tried to copy this technique given that it is essentially the most powerful non-destructive force in the history of the universe?
      • If it's capable of working if there is even the faintest trace of evil, what would happen if it was used on someone that ridiculously evil?
      • We don't really see MUCH evidence that going Super Saiyan makes you cold, evil or particularly aggressive. Goku becomes Super Saiyan and tries as hard as he can, to the point of giving him some energy so he can escape the dying world, to spare the man who'd just killed his best friend. That's not cold, it's barely aggressive. Vegeta doesn't change, nor does Trunks. Level 2 makes Gohan more aggressive but as we've seen from Gohan vs Raditz, Vegeta and Cell I'd say the common theme here is "DON'T HURT MY DADDY". I've always felt that Super Saiyan's rage was always a huge missed opportunity. Unlike Tailed Naruto or Masked Ichigo where even friends need to be on notice.
      • Because Super Saiyan is the master form. The "dangerous to friend and foe alike" is covered by the Oozaru form.
      • I wouldn't call it a plothole per se, just a case of Forgotten Phlebotinum that sort of makes sense. Not sure one could assume that technique could be copied either. Funnily enough, I think this technique is played for laughs in one of the Dragon Ball Z games(BT 3??) in where the move deals great damage under certain circumstances.
      • I agree with the above troper, and I'd also like to point out that "these guys are incredibly weak by even King Piccolo's standards". That technique didn't seem particularly fast/instantaneous to me, and I'm sure everyone near the level of King Piccolo would be fully able to avoid it.
      • It is definitely a forgotten plebotinum. According the the dragonball wiki, which is pretty accurate down to the gun random mooks use, BT 3 has a "What If?" story putting him against both Freeza and King Cooler. He wins easily thanks to his devil beam. He would have a decent chance of fighting of most of the villains in the series, assuming they don't kill him first. And when was the last time anyone killed anyone in DBZ before they could use their ultimate attack?
    • Hell, why didn't Baba warn the Z-Fighters of every villain!? She clearly can see into the future, as seen at the end of the original series, so why didn't she look into the future, find the villain's weakpoint ("GRAB HIS TAIL! Like when you were a child!"), and tell them? Would've saved a lot of trouble! ("When you get to Namek, there will be a creature who is more powerful than Vegeta, and will kill your best friend!")
      • She stated just before the battle against the Saiyans that she wasn't able to predict the outcome of the fight. In the Fridge Brilliance section there's an interesting hint that all the time travel from Trunks and Cell could have messed up with her ability.
  • Why can't Piccolo hatch demon warriors like Demon King Piccolo could? I mean, they're both standard Namekians, and Piccolo is a clone of his dad, after all. Come to think of it, why didn't Nail just hatch himself an army once Frieza started killing stuff? Come to think of it again, why didn't Kami try that once he got wind of Vegeta and Nappa? Before you say "too old", Demon King Piccolo made Tambourine and Cymbal before wishing himself back to youth. And even if they were fairly weak, an army would've been nice to have against the saiyans.
    • Good news for you: the live action movie combines Picollo Daimaoh with Picollo Jr., thus giving "Picollo" the ability to summon monsters.
    • A) IIRC, generating a minion of useful strength literally took years off King Piccolo's life. Piccolo Jr. most likely knew this and preferred to rely on his own power.
      B) As we saw when Piccolo and Krillin used the Tri-form against Nappa, and he swatted them, it probably wouldn't have helped much.
    • The way I see it, that's just not Piccolo's style under any situation, and we all saw what came of the last guy made out of Kami, so I can see him being apprehensive about the idea.
    • And Yajirobe, who is no match for Demon King Piccolo, was literally eating Demon Warriors for breakfast.
    • He could have at least used them against those weird little plant man minons that Nappa planted, so as to even the playing field...
      • Each of the Saibamen was as strong as Raditz was. He didn't want to risk any kids being killed instantly- he was starting to have a Heel–Face Turn, so he wouldn't want to give birth literally for no reason but to condemn the kids to death.
      • Incidentally, this probably explains where Cell got the ability to produce offspring.
    • That seems to be a standard Namekian power. I don't think there is any evidence that Piccolo can't do that so much as he doesn't. The only fight he gets in during the entire DBZ cannon where it might have helped was vs 17 where he was equally matched with his opponent. Otherwise he's always much weaker and any spawn he created would barely have qualified as cannon fodder.
  • What's with Dr. Gero and Androids? Okay, I can understand making yourself an android and converting two young adults into cyborgs. I can even understand making a Gentle Giant like #16. But why would you make your partner a bastardized Chinese doll? Why would you make your earlier androids some silver guy with a ponytail and the most racist caricature ever of a black man? And why would you make the android directly preceding him a perfect fit for a KKK rally, Southern accent and all?
    • Can't speak about 19 (the doll), but 13 (the southern guy), 14 (the ponytailed guy) and 15 (the purple guy) only appear in a Movie, therefore aren't canon (at least their appearance isn't).
      • Two things: one, if you had a battle machine powerful enough to destroy a city in the blink of an eye at your beck and call, would you really care what does it look like? Two, the whole racial caricature and southern accent comes from the Funimation dub. In the original Japanese (and Latin American for that matter) dub, Androids 14 and 15 are nearly mute, save for a couple of �Son Goku� mutterings, while Android 13 speaks with no �accent�.
      • Also, this page is about general questions, meaning the movies still count. Granted the manga and anime rank higher in canon, but simply saying "not manga, not canon" isn't an answer.
      • Lets not forget who we're talking about here. This is Dr Gero... If anything, he intentionally made his androids that way just for shits and giggles. He's just that much of a Mad Scientist. Spending so much time in a mountain all alone can have a nasty effect on you.
  • Why did Dr. Gero make his Android body look exactly like his human one?
    • Whatever problems Gero had, insecurity about his appearance wasn't one of them.
  • How come nobody decided to call the police on Master Roshi instead of just punching him for groping the females...he's a creepy old hermit for crying out loud!
    • It's likely he wouldn't submit and any jail not owned by one of the cast would hold Roshi precisely as long as he felt like getting free food and shelter. Its easy to forget since he can't blow up planets (moons, yes, but not planets) but Roshi is a genuine bad ass by any standards that don't involve Frieza.
    • Plus out of the 3 main females he hits on, 1 of them is a tough martial artist who could at least fight him off, and another is a super powered android who could blow up the whole planet if she felt like it. If it REALLY bothered them that much, they could break him. They probably just find him kind of annoying.
    • I'm more weirded out that he's hitting on his old student's WIFE. Have Roshi no shame?
  • Where do Piccolo and Tenshinhan get off looking down their noses at Vegeta? Piccolo was going to become the next demon king and rule the Earth while making several explicit threats on Goku and his friends' lives, and Ten was training to be an assassin while making the same threats as Piccolo. Vegeta may have been a sadistic barbarian, but were they really that much better? Hell, what about Yamcha who was a desert bandit and probably robbed people leaving them to die? Kuririn is pretty much the only one without blood on his hands, considering he was, at worst, an underhanded jerk who quickly got chummy with Goku.
    • Could have been a little of You Are What You Hate. Plus, while they all went through a Heel–Face Turn relatively quickly and became more humble people, it took Vegeta CONSIDERABLY longer before he showed any sort of humility or repentence. Not to mention none of them really made any suicidally idiotic mistakes like, say, letting Cell achieve his Perfect form to have a better fight, or letting Babidi partially control him to fight more evenly with Goku.
    • Piccolo doesn't seem to really look down at Vegeta so much as simply not like the guy very much which is understandable. He was directly responsible for his death and the same can be said for Tien. Though the entire series from beginning to end is filled with people who are forgiven incredibly easily.
    • Out of all of them, Vegeta had done so many terrible things that it makes even Piccolo's early actions make him to be a common schoolyard bully. He decimated civilizations, worked for a genocidal galactic warlord named Frieza, and, oh yeah, was pretty much responsible for murdering every single Z-fighter save for Goku, Gohan, and Krillin. If I were Piccolo or Tien, I would sure as hell not trust Vegeta with my life, even if Goku told me he had changed. It would not surprise me at all if some of their training was to make sure they could stop Vegeta should he ever decide to go back to being evil again, which...kinda happened when he became Majin Vegeta.
  • No one thinks the things Bulma did was messed up? She was drooling over Zarbon. Her boyfriend of 10 or whatever years just got blown up and she's crushing on a villain. To make things worse, she later sleeps with the man who had the same boyfriend killed. Don't get me wrong, I like the Vegeta and Bulma romance, but once you sit down and think about it, it sounds pretty messed up. Poor Yamcha.
  • Why is Vegeto called Vegeto instead of the incredibly ugly sounding Vegetu? Or if they didn't like that because it does sound stupid Gogeta is an actual fused name.
    • Translation snafu. "Vegeto" is a combination of "Vegeta" and "Kakarotto," which is all well and good in the Japanese version, but in the English dub, where "Kakarotto" became "Kakarot," it doesn't really make sense anymore. But lacking any half-decent alternatives, the dub just rolled with "Vegeto" anyway. The English manga tries to fix the issue by calling him "Vegerot," but that...sucks.
      • That sounds like a portmanteau of "rotten vegetable"... You're right. It sucks.
      • Why didn't the translators just call him "Kakareta"?
  • Correct me if I'm wrong, but was there a dub where Piccolo bled purple? It seems he either bleeds red or green depending on what version you watch, but I could've sworn there was a version where he bled purple blood.
    • Piccolo's blood was originally shown as red, but at some point, I think it was around the time Nail fights Freeza, all Namekian blood is now purple. The green blood was a censorship thing, I'm pretty sure.
  • How does Krillin manage to wear sunglasses (after Goku shows off Instant Transmission) despite not having a nose? Wouldn't they slip down his face?
  • So, Can't Catch Up is rather infamous amongst most of the human characters, despite several of their attempts to keep up with Saiyan characters. They even lamet over this fact a few times during the series. Despite all their trying, they can never seem to reach even the level of a base Saiyan who's had proper training. So, considering the fact that Saiyans are just so more powerful, why has it never occurred to any of them to make a wish on Shenron to have Saiyan blood/DNA? That would not only give them an immense power boost but also, in turn, help better protect the Earth. Like, I guess one could make the case that Vegeta would be extremely pissed upon finding out they did that but, considering how much he's mellowed out in Super, chances are at most he would issue a 'test' to them to see if they're worthy of becoming a Saiyan.
    • Because they're not a bunch of munchkins. They take pride in who and what they are and what they're able to achieve on their own.
  • Lunch's hair has an annoying tendency to get on her face and rub her nose, making her sneeze and triggering her transformation. Why doesn't she cut her it or tie it into a ponytail?

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