- Since Logan is established to take place in the "good" future shown at the end of Days of Future Past, what's the point of making any more movies set before that time? We all know what's going to happen, and that everything the X-Men do will be for nothing, since they all end up either dead or in hiding. Or has it been confirmed that Logan is set in a third alternate universe?
- Nowhere within the movie is that established. Hugh Jackman, at least, considers it more of an Elseworld.
- The point is to make a Truer to the Text version of The Dark Phoenix Saga (at least truer to the text than X-Men: The Last Stand was). The prequel stories that started with X-Men: First Class are set ten years apart from each other between films, so they go for the 1990s. It's been reported that Bryan Singer didn't consult with James Mangold when making X-Men: Apocalypse anyway, it's probably the same regarding Simon Kinberg on Dark Phoenix and Mangold on his X-23 project in the writing (which has been cancelled since). Just because we know what happens in the future (or more likely, one future) doesn't negate the raison d'être of a prequel/film set before that future.
- Not to mention, there are a good many characters whose fate we're unaware of - Magneto, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Quicksilver etc. to name a few.
- With Logan, well... it cant be the BAD timeline from DOFP due to the lack of Sentinels running around, which means its gotta be the good one. Nothing in-universe pushes Logan into non-canon territory yet, as much as we dont want that films backstory to be the X-Mens final fate. Behind the scenes there are those who consider it a what if and those who consider it the one true future, but ultimately, itll be up to whoever writes the later films as we keep skipping ahead a decade per movie (assuming they keep doing that, and assuming the MCU X-Men wont be a total reboot.)
- It doesn't have to be either of those two timelines. It's in the nature of alternate universes that there are as many of them as there need to be.
- The alternate universes happen, just as the alternate titles of characters (e.g., Spiderman I, II, & III, Amazing Spiderman I & II, and Spider-Man: Homecoming & Far From Home) are all the Spiderman character, just slightly different universes. (Don't get started with Spiderman: Into the Spider-verse.)
- No one finds it disturbing that Beast wants to kill Jean (a friend) for ACCIDENTALLY killing Raven? I would buy it if the murderer was a complete stranger, but Hank knew Jean for a while now. He and Jean seemed to have a good relationship before the space incident. He doesn't want to cure her, he wants to end her life.
- As I recall, he doesn't believe that it was an accident. From his perspective, Jean got angry at Raven and used her powers to fling her into spikes. This would essentially be voluntary manslaughter. In a New York court, that's 5 to 25 years in prison, not a death sentence, but presumably Beast takes it personally, given that Raven is his girlfriend, and he believes that if Jean is willing to kill Raven, she's a threat to every single person on Earth.
- On a wider note, when so many comics storylines have explored Hank's concerns that his intellect will be suppressed by his more feral instincts, couldn't it also be possible that he was basically succumbing to his 'beast side' and lashing out at the person his primitive subconscious regarded as responsible for the death of his 'mate', with Hank's emotions consuming him to such an extent that he didn't even recognise that Jean wouldn't have done that on purpose? It can hardly be a coincidence that he was more willing to help defend Jean when he had some time to just sit and think rather than feel angry and able to lash out at others.
- When the train is attacked, the prisoners spend time trying to convince the guards that the attackers are not mutants, and that they'll need their help to get rid of them. Uhhh... How do they know any of that? Cyclops, Magneto and Prof. X have all seen Vuk, but all they've seen her do is try to take the Pheonix Force. Neither she nor Jean told them who she was, what she was, or that there were more like her. It's implied Xavier can't read her mind, and while Jean knows more, Charles explicitly can't read her mind either. How do they know she's not a mutant? How do they know the attackers are related to her: for all they know, they could be from the Academy or Genosha, here to save them? Even if they know they're with her, even if they somehow know they aren't mutants, how do they know they're such a threat that a train of heavily armed guards will be overwhelmed by them?
- I assume they heard the radio transmission saying "they're not mutants.", yeah it was cut off but it's pretty obvious what was being said. As for how they know they're such a threat the guards won't handle them Xavier could be telling them telepathically.
- It can also be that Charles and Magneto have a fairly good idea of how many mutants are around and hence know there is no way a hitherto unknown group would be able to launch such an attack on the train. The X-Men mansion seems to contain mostly children apart from the main characters, and Magneto presumably left orders preventing anyone from Genosha to follow him.
- In any case, if it gets them out of the cuffs and, hopefully, back into humans' good grace by helping them repell the attack, then it cannot hurt. I suppose saying "they're not mutants" was meant to distance X-Men and Genoshians from the attackers and dissuade the guards from assuming that it was a rescue attempt by other mutants, which at that point would've done much more harm than good.
- What I wonder is, what made the guards come to that incredibly fortunate "they're not mutants" conclusion? They had no prior experience with aliens, so wouldn't any people with weird powers qualify as mutants to them?
- Possibly the fact that they revert to their alien forms when killed, and even getting them seriously wounded make them temporarily regain their alien features. Since this world is much more mutant-friendly, it could be that mutant physiology is a little better known (especially by soldiers belonging to an unit dedicated to them), so the soldiers could realise that this is not a normal reaction for a mutant, especially so many of them at once.
- Who the heck was the female on Magneto's team? I know the guy with the braids was Warpath (at least I think). Who the heck was the chick? I don't think I heard her name once.
- She was Selene (as in Selene Gallio, Black Queen of the Hellfire Club), and her name was spoken just once by Magneto, after she was pulled out of the train. And the guy with braids was Red Lotus, although the only person to use that name in the comics was Paul Hark, a member of an Australian-based criminal group (and he wasn't even a mutant).
- OP here, thanks!
- The guy with the braids is named "Ariki" here. Warpath was in Days of Future Past.
- Mystique says how Xavier has never sacrificed anything. Did she not remember what happened in Cuba, where he was shot (admittedly by a deflected bullet) trying to prevent Magneto from killing the two naval forces?
- She says that she doesn't remember the last time he risked anything and that event was 30 years ago.
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