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    Running a dojo and dealership simultaneously 
  • How the heck is Danny going to find the energy to run a Dojo and a car dealership at the same time? Does he have the same hours as Mr. Miyagi?
    • It's why companies have managers, lots of people own several different types of businesses they just hire someone they feel they can trust to run the day to day operations and do the accounting. According to Daniels billboard he actually owns MULTIPLE car dealership lots and seems to only work out of the one closest to home. He probably has other people running his other lots. Also as the owner... he can set his own hours. Some companies go a very long time without ever actually seeing their boss walk in.
    • It's also no secret that karate and bonsai trees are a big gimmick and theme with Daniel's company, so him investing in a small karate school would almost be considered the next logical step in his business.
    • Two evenings a week plus Saturday aren't that demanding, plus getting up an hour early to work out.
    • He got rid of cousin Louie. That alone should free up enough time for him to run a dojo.
    • As the Mob War showed ever so clearly, that's no longer the case. The boss can't ignore his business forever.
    • We see towards the end of Season 2 that he can't. He spends too much time focusing on the dojo, to the extent that one of his senior employees feels neglected and is poached by Coles. Amanda also confronts Daniel about the fact that he's ignoring her as well as the business.
    • In Season 3, he rehires his cousin Louie and has gotten the better side of Anoush, thus rehiring him. Both, alongside a more better mood Amanda, can take over.

    Consequences of the lunchroom brawl 
  • How did Miguel manage to avoid any consequences from the fight in the lunchroom? Sure, his grandmother covered for him with his mother, but the whole fight was recorded on multiple smartphones and probably posted all over social media. Even if Kyler's gang were the aggressors, most schools have a zero tolerance policy towards fighting on school grounds and will usually suspend everyone involved regardless of who started it. Not to mention the backlash upon Johnny and the Cobra Kai dojo from the angry parents of those on the receiving end of Miguel's wrath.
    • The series shows that the people running the school aren't exactly competent at stopping any bullying or disciplining the kids. They are either hopelessly naive or completely oblivious in general as well.
    • Judging from the cheering that Miguel got from his peers, he was far from Kyler's only target. As a result, there would not be much backlash to them getting some Laser-Guided Karma.
    • Miguel could probably get a bunch of witnesses to say it was self defense four on one. The other students hate Kyler so much they will easily line up to back him up.
    • The entire fight was caught on camera and it clearly shows that Kyler was the one acting agressive and that he threw the first punch and while Miguel countered, it was Kyler keeping the fight going by tackling Miguel, after that the fight was simply Miguel denfending himself from Kyler and his friends.
    • Most of these don't really matter as most schools punish everyone involved in a fight without regard to who initiated hostilities, who threw the first punch, or even if the assaulted party defended themselves or just let themselves be wailed on, it's the easy no-thought method of approaching handling such situations that a school run like that one obviously is would go for. Miguel probably had to serve some detentions or "in school suspension" or somesuch thing, and just did so offscreen.
    • Kyler's gang has been terrorizing the school way more than anyone in 2020 would be permitted. If they've turned a blind eye to it so far, nothing happening in a lunch room is going to change that

    Protective gear in Tournament 
  • Do karate tournaments really allow matches without protective gear? This troper used to do tournaments and we had protective head gear and pads on our feet and hands, is it a case of Rule of Cool or do martial arts tournaments (especially under 18 matches) really allow non protected strikes to the face?
    • It is probably a Rule of Cool. No martial arts tournament with a sane legal and PR department in Real Life would have matches without protective gear, especially if the combatants are under eighteen.
    • It's also a fact of shooting—they have to be able to see the subjects' faces.
    • This tournament from Norway in 2012 does not feature headgear so it's not totally unrealistic.
      • Cobra Kai's tournament pays homage to the original Karate Kid series' tournaments, which in turn were inspired by the early 60's to 70's Karate Tournament scene in America, which indeed was done bare knuckle, no pads, and contact was plentiful with blood, broken bones and injuries being commonplace, this was the type of tournament Chuck Norris competed in. Pat Johnson, who choreographed the original Karate Kid and trained all the Cobras in Tang Soo Do, is one of Chuck Norris' greatest students and a veteran of those tournaments as well.

    Consequences for past bad behavior 
  • Is it fair to call Robby a Karma Houdini despite developing into a good guy? He never seems to face any grave consequences for his bad behavior or any legal trouble.
    • Since the other young characters have been made to face the consequences of their misconduct that first season, it's not a stretch to say that his time is coming, either.
    • Part of the theme of the series is that people who do bad things are rarely just dicks for no reason. The idea is Robby's bad behavior, from skipping school to stealing, arises from his misery at his shitty home life, and that he stops being a bad person when his life improves. I would say he's not getting out of karma for one thing because it's not like his life was ever great in the first place, for another reason because he actively works to improve his life and move away from his prior behavior (meaning he's trying to earn his happy ending), and for another because karma DOES bite him for awhile when he briefly disappoints and alienates the father figure he's so longed for.
    • On that note, whether we learn the truth about Kyler, who seems to be a dick just For the Evulz, remains to be seen.
    • Season 2's Finale will likely avert this due to severely injuring Miguel and running away from the scene.
    • In this troper's opinion, character changes happen extremely quickly on this show. Hawk went from having too little confidence to too much confidence in about the span of three seconds.
      • That has more to do with the passage of time for at least Season 1. Months pass between quite a few episodes so what seems blatantly quick to the viewer is happening over the course of several weeks and months to the characters.

    The South Seas apartment building 
  • In The Karate Kid: Part III, Daniel and Miyagi return home from Okinawa to find the South Seas apartment building being demolished. But over 30 years later in Cobra Kai, Daniel finds it in better shape than when he actually lived there, and no mention of any restoration is ever made. Did the showrunners just not do their homework, or is this a retcon on their part?
    • An argument could be made for having the original building demolished, then reconstructed (not restored). It's probably grasping at straws, but it's a legitimate (albeit admittedly unlikely) possibility.
    • We could also argue that The Karate Kid: Part III was told from the memories of an adult Daniel and through several years' time he got some details wrong. If the building was shut down for relatively major renovation, he could easily have misremembered it as having been torn down.
    • I get the impression that Part III is Broad Strokes. Daniel's second All Valley Tournament win, Mr. Miyagi's attempt at starting bonsai tree business, and the existence of Terry Silver and Mike Barnes are all canon, but the rest of the film might not be. Even at that the bonsai tree business is referenced more as a Take That! and Johnny mentions that he doesn't even know who Terry Silver is.
    • Well Johnny really has no reason to know who Terry Silver is as he never met him.

     In-universe legality of the Crane Kick 
  • In-universe, what is the official status of the Crane Kick? Johnny deems it an illegal kick when he gripes to Daniel at the dealership, yet he has no qualms about instructing Miguel to use it, and it is ruled a point both times it is used in competition. So then why even bring up its legality to begin with? Is it just bitterness on Johnny's part?
    • Daniel might've had the tournament rule book amended to officially make the kick legal in the years between the film and the series.
    • Given the amount of legal headshots that show up in the finale, I'd say that the kick was legal, and Johnny's just having sour grapes.
      • Nah, I think the comment above is more likely right. Daniel amending the tournament rules to allow head contacts specifically because in his mind it would have legitimized his use of the Crane Kick retroactively is definitely fitting with the ego he's clearly developed in the years since the tournament. It also makes Johnny telling Miguel to use it even more of a Take That! at Daniel, in that case... it's him saying "Hey, you legalized it, it's free to use now." Plus Johnny's comment of it being an illegal contact is a reference to something that people have been saying about the original for years, to the point of people having to suppose that Daniel possibly made contact with Johnny's chest passingly before kicking him in the head.
    • In the first Karate Kid movie, Ali explains the rules to Daniel before the tournament: "Everything above your waist is a point. You can hit the head, sternum, kidneys, ribs." Furthermore, during the tournament montage, several Cobra Kai members win points by kicking their opponents' faces; in fact, Johnny wins a point in this way and Dutch wins a point by kicking Daniel in the face. Therefore, the crane kick was perfectly legal. As for why Johnny is still bitter about the crane kick, it's most likely due to the fact that the crane kick is a flashy but impractical move that is easily countered as demonstrated by Chozen in the second Karate Kid film yet Johnny lost to it. It also doesn't help that during the match Daniel had an injured leg and Johnny could have easily won the third point and thus the match by taking advantage of Daniel's injury (as Miguel did Robby's) instead of running straight into Daniel's kick.
    • Maybe the Kick itself wasn't illegal, but the force with which Daniel made contact is. One assumes the tournament has rules for the striking to unnecessarily injure your opponent (doesn't Johnny actually "mime" some of his point-earning blows against other opponents?) Daniel's kick set Johnny writhing epically on the ground; maybe Johnny felt that was more force than tournament rules allowed for.

    Wax On Wax Off: Training as labor 
  • OK, so your new student is on the payroll and therefore on the clock at your dealership. Do you really think it's a smart idea to use your workplace to impart Wax On, Wax Off on him? While his outburst would be valid grounds for termination in Real Life, Robby isn't exactly off base about calling out Daniel's approach.
    • He's a teenager freshly employed at a car dealership. The cars need washed and waxed, and at that stage he's probably not qualified for much more than brute labor. Besides, it's not like Daniel's expecting him to come in on his off-hours and do it for free; he's on the payroll. As for Robby's outburst, Daniel was obviously expecting Robby to get upset since he reacted much the same with Miyagi, and lets it slide because he's looking at it from a master/student perspective rather than boss/worker.
    • Once your students connect the dots about the Hidden Purpose Test, they won't be complaining.
    • If the headscratcher is referring to other students doing free labor, remember, he is giving lessons for free, so the students are getting a better deal. Additionally, Robbie is getting free housing.

    Different standards for disqualification 
  • Why does Hawk get disqualified from his match immediately for a single illegal contact, but when Miguel blatantly and deliberately aggravates Robbie's shoulder injury, he gets a warning for what amounts to essentially the same thing. Is this or isn't it a zero-tolerance offense?
    • Because apparently Miguel wasn't breaking any rules (though he got careless enough to be brought to the wire). And we all saw that Robby wasn't one to quit no matter what.
    • Because they're making a distinction between doing something wrong in the heat of the exchange vs just straight-up assaulting your opponent between rounds. With the former, that could be a judgement error or things getting out of hand, but what Hawk did is completely inexcusable.
    • Plus Hawk kicked him in the back and kept trying to go after him while Miguel just yanked his arm the one time.

    The Cobra Kai ban from the Tournament 
  • So, Cobra Kai got themselves banned back in the 80s because one of their fighters DQ'd himself willfully injuring an opponent, and another scored penalties for aggravating the same injury... and then talking their way into reinstatement, pleading that they were a new, better Cobra Kai, their very first tournament they do the exact same thing. How long until they get banned again, especially with Daniel on the board and the reveal that despite Johnny's claim to the contrary, Sensei Kreese is alive, and back in the valley to boot?
    • Seeing as how the other members of the board expressed no idea that the ban actually was there (some of who might not have been born yet), as well as the fact that Johnny wasn't pleased with the results, don't hold your breath.
    • The other members of the board weren't even sure that bans were a thing they could do until this one was brought up, and the only other member that supports the idea of the ban does it not because he agrees with it, but because Daniel says so. Plus they don't have a lot of incentive to ban Cobra Kai again... while one of their members got disqualified and the other warned, their sensei obviously was not happy with them over it, very publicly and loudly chastising Hawk for his behavior. There's also the fact that the tournament they were in was apparently the most successful one in years, if not a decade, and they were a big, flashy spectacle that people clearly enjoyed; banning them would be like the tournament shooting itself in the foot. The obvious and rational thing to do is to let the dojo compete (especially considering it's not even really the same Cobra Kai that was previously banned, just using the name), and simply deal with any individual fighters that break the rules.
    • Cobra Kai may be banned once again, now that Kreese is the full owner again at the end of Season 2. It is likely that the previous name register for the Cobra Kai business was Kreese, so when Johnny Lawrence retook the name, the documents differ and Johnny stated in the hall meeting that this was a different Cobra Kai. The only difference is that the public foresaw that Johnny was shown displeased with Hawk's actions, unlike Kreese.
      • As of Season 3 Cobra Kai is not shown to be banned from the All Valley yet though the tournament itself was dangerously close to being cancelled. While Kreese ended up doing his best to save the tournament, this was him speaking to the city council and not the tournament committee, who are in charge of the tournament himself and know exactly what he's like. However, Daniel, needing Kreese and his students to be able to compete so his and Johnny's dojo can fight them there and defeat Cobra Kai for good, will most likely convince the other committee members to lift his ban even though he'd prefer not to.

    Popularity of karate in the Valley 
  • How the heck is Karate the big unifying force of this world? Johnny apparently never recovered from his defeat and Daniel has been able to ride the coattails of the Tournament well into adulthood to great success. Does MMA, for that matter UFC or any similar circuit, not exist?
    • Willing Suspension of Disbelief. Pretty much a requirement when enjoying most fiction.
    • Is Daniel really "riding" it? Most infomercials are based around lame gimmicks - given a choice between dressing in a ridiculous Halloween costume to sell your used cars, or making a theme out of your high school karate trophies, it seems like an easy pick.
      • Exactly. Few people actually realise why Daniel uses karate imagery in his branding - most assume it's just another gimmick and are surprised to learn that Daniel has any experience with it.
    • As Daniel's wife said, karate was one of the valley's honored pastimes, much like how football is in Texas.
    • Two theories: First, the school has an unusually large bullying problem. Secondly, karate fights fit in well with the YouTube culture and Miguel's take-down of Kyler's gang impressed a lot of people.
    • A lot of local heroes tend to build small town reputations off 15 minutes of fame (see Daniel). That being said, while the revived Daniel-Johnny rivalry is entertaining, how Johnny's life took such a nosedive is a fascinating nature vs. nurture question. What is confusing is why Kreese would bother to come back after all that happened to Cobra Kai in the three films. It is understandable the series needed a Designated Villain, but the show thrives on the Daniel-Johnny conflict.
      • Because, as shown in Season 2, Kreese is a down-on-his luck drifter who lives in a homeless shelter, and believes that Cobra Kai is his and his chance at regaining glory. And considering his words to Hawk, Kreese probably sees the battle from the original Karate Kid trilogy as still being on (since he never said the battle was over, in his mind it isn't, even after 30 years, with Miyagi's passing being seen as a 'win' in his mind). He also acts as a dark reflection of the kind of person Johnny and Daniel could become if they allow their rivalry to continue: a bitter, broken, and ruthless man who is driven only by pride and desire to see the opponent fail. Besides, as you said, Johnny and Daniel need a common enemy to bring them together and finally put that rivalry aside and become the friends that the test drive and "double date" scenes show us they can become.
  • It's paid lip service in Season 3 where it's wondered out loud why the Valley is so enamored with Karate.

    Johnny taking care of Robby 
  • Daniel and Amanda know that Robby is Johnny's son — when Shannon leaves for Cabo, why is calling Johnny never even discussed? While we know the Larusso home is more stable, Johnny is still Robby's father.
    • Uh it was, immediately actually. Amanda outright says that "he has a father". Since they obviously don't have each other's number, Daniel went to ask Johnny directly... only to find him with Kreese at which point he no longer bothers to tell him about Robby.

    Reasons for attacking Robby in the final fight of season 2 
  • Okay Miguel, you know there's a psychopathic bitch trying to kill Sam, so what do you do when Robby tries to stop her? Attack him, of course. What?!
    • From Miguel's angle, it looked like Robby was attacking her rather than just restraining her to keep Sam safe so he jumped in to stop him.
    • More than that, Miguel didn't get there in time to hear exactly what Tory's motivations were for the confrontation, as Robby did. The very first thing Miguel saw was Robby putting Tory against the lockers. He hadn't registered that Robby was trying to quell the fight.
    • It also didn't help that Robby and Miguel's rivalry was still heated over the events that happened, let alone Miguel's confused emotions of who to side with.

    Miguel's injuries at the end of season 2 
  • This may seem like an odd question, but what exactly happened to Miguel's body when he took that fall? What are his chances of surviving?
    • He landed hard on his back after a two-story landing. Enough to seriously damage any body part that had come into contact with the stairway. The back of his head, especially, took a massive hit. His chances of survival are hard to gauge early on; whether he'll be able to continue doing martial arts is another matter.
      • More than that, his spine took a direct hit when he landed on the railing, then he bounced and hit the stairs, cracking his neck. The shot of the x-ray is too brief to tell the damage, but spinal injuries are serious. Depending on the break and what damage is done to the spinal cord, he could be paralyzed from the neck down (a la Christopher Reeve) for life. This is television, though, so being young and strong, he could have landed in *just* the right way that he narrowly missed hitting any nerves, and with intensive physiotherapy he could walk again, but his martial arts career is probably over for a long time. Perhaps that will be his Story Arc for season 3, and the season will end with him standing up and punching the training dummy.
      • Pretty close actually. The troper above is correct that his Story Arc for Season 3 was regaining the ability to walk, but he was able to do that halfway through the season. It took him longer to regain the ability to properly perform martial arts (his punches were fine but his kicks and footwork were still neutered significantly). But by the Season Finale he seems to have regained a majority of his ability in that field as evidenced by him defeating Kyler once again with a bevy of kicks and flips.

    Rationale behind Moon's actions 
  • Moon is one great big headscratcher altogether. Did the lessons at the canyon party — with all the booze the Cobra Kai had brought in just to upstage Yasmine — just whizz right through her skull? You take the students of both dojos, bring them together under your roof, and bring in lots of beer, and you think they're going to just sit around, hold hands, and talk things out peacefully — in their state of mind? Honey, I know you're the kid of a hippie and all that, but just what are you smoking?
    • She's shown she's very much in her own little world of moonbeams and unicorns, and she genuinely seems to like everyone at the party and wants them all to put aside their differences and get along. Her heart's in the right place, but her methods are really NOT effective!
    • Moon probably thinks the only problem is the people she was hanging out with, because they were mean. Remove mean people, parties with lots of drinking are fine! In fact they're a good chance to have everyone be friends together! So yeah the analytical skills are not strong with this one.
      • Explains why she was referred to as the dumbest of the Moon / Kyler / Yasmine trio.
      • Not really dumb, just naive. She wants to think the best of everyone and wants there to be a happy ending, and wants it so badly she ignores reality to a certain extent. Idealistic bordering on delusional, but not necessarily stupid.
      • Moon's not really involved in the Miyagi-do/Cobra Kai feud. Sure, she has friends in both dojos, but she generally hangs out with them separately. So she doesn't really know how deep the actual feud actually runs, and thinks that if she brings both sides together, they'll have fun and make up with one another. Like what happened between her and Aisha at the canyon party in Season 1. They partied together, had fun, and made up with one another.
    • To be fair, Moon's idea wasn't completely awful. How many people, when drunk, turn into "I love you man! No, I love you man!"? (Unfortunately, about the same number who turn into "Imma kick yur butt!") Put in the same place with plenty going on and some booze to lower defenses and inhibitions, it's not unthinkable that the different dojo students might start talking to each other, and in talking start to like (or at least respect) each other. The main crippling factor in Moon's plan is that some of these people have very deep-seated, personal animosities: Sam and Tory for how badly their first meeting went, Miguel and Robby for the Love Triangle and dirty pool in the tournament, Eli and Demetri for We Used to Be Friends, and Moon is for the most part unaware of how bad this blood is and how deeply it runs. She was likely thinking more in terms of two rival sports teams, who may not be friends but can at least gel to the point of respectful and amicable rivals, not individuals with deep personal grudges festering into full-fledged hatred.

    The point of the wheel technique in Season 2 
  • What is the whole point of the wheel technique in Season 2? I mean I guess it's supposed to be an exercise in being in sync with your partner, but how is that actually practical, since you have to mirror your partner's moves, and make your moves more predictable?
    • Well, this is the franchise known for the Crane Kick, so one shouldn't expect the show to depict realistic martial art techniques. That said, the wheel technique teaches the Miyagi-Do students how to cooperate with one another and how to effectively fight off multiple opponents. In practice, Sam and Robbie don't actually mirror each other's movements too often when utilizing the wheel technique in combat, which suggests that the synchronization aspect during training is supposed to teach them how to sense each other and cover each other's blind spots.
    • It's about moving continuously in a circle with a partner, maintaining awareness of where they are and what they're doing without losing focus on your own situation. Training in it by using kata is just an abstraction to give them a set of moves to follow while learning to synchronise with their partner.
    • It also helps to teach predicting and coordinating with an opponent or ally. You learn to feel how someone moves to know how to predict someone else's movements. You then use this instilled knowledge to know what to do, when to do it, and how you need to do it.

    Searching online for solutions 
  • With the technological resources the West Valley High students had, it never occurred to them to look up a dojo online? Given the setting of the series, and its general population, there ought to be several martial arts schools around.
    • You mean before the start of the series? Simply put, no, it didn't. While once a cherished activity, season one several times makes clear that it had fallen out of fashion in the Valley (note the repeated statements about the difficulties the tournament has been having). Plus social shifts in the time since the original movies meant that most of the students and some of their parents were probably repeatedly chastised with "Violence is always wrong" growing up... look how Hawk's mother dealt with his being bullied, she seemed at a loss for anything to counsel him with and for anything to do other than calling and complaining to the school, and then just sort of halfheartedly accepting their useless promise of a solution. Taking steps to prepare and fight back simply straight up did not occur to most of them because Johnny to some extent had a point that the generation he was training had been conditioned out of having a backbone.
    • Which makes the latter half of second season an economy-sized keg of crystal-clear Fridge Horror. The unbalanced backbone conditioning ended up tipping in the other direction.

     Johnny being a friendless kid 
  • I obviously understand the "parental issues faced by child Johnny Lawrence, but the fact that he was a friendless child kinda baffled me. He was filthy rich,decently good looking, and didn't seem to have disorders like autism or ADHD(since those were unknown, he'd be seen as some sort of weirdo/freak),for example. Like,why didn't baby Johnny have any friends?
    • His stepfather mentions he regularly brawls and beats other kids up. Clearly, Johnny had issues that made other children stay away from him.
    • There isn't a lot to go with apart from the flashback from "Quiver" but it seems that pre-Cobra Kai Johnnie was bit of a quiet introverted kid, whose mother seemed to move them around prior to marrying Sid. It isn't hard to imagine that might lead to a somewhat friendless and troubled childhood.

     Miyagi's Age 
The gravestone for Mr Miyagi shown displays his birth year as 1925. I know that's older than the actor who portrayed him, but that's still way too young. This guy is a World War II vet. If he was born in 1925 that makes him fourteen when the war started! Granted, he'd be twenty one when the war ended which is old enough for fighting age, but are we expected to believe that the USA accepted Japanese immigrants in the middle of the war and then accepted them as soldiers? In addition to just his military service (funnily enough mentioned on the same tombstone as his age) there's the canon established in Karate Kid: Part 2 where they say he left Okinawa 45 years ago. The movie takes place in 1985, so forty five years ago would make 1940 (give or take a few), which at least is before the USA entered the war. That would make it a fifteen year old Miyagi who got into a death match with his best friend over a girl and then emigrated to a foreign country, got married to a second woman and fought in a war. They should have made him at least five years older.
  • While the timeline of the events would be compressed, it wouldn't be impossible. The US entered WWII at the tail end of 1941, with the Japanese interment camps beginning in 1942 and the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, which Mr. Miyagi was a member of, being formed in 1943. That means he could've married young before enlisting when he turned 18 in 1943.
    • Even before the US got directly involved in the war, they were involved in the war. Part of the reason Japan went on the offensive against them was because the US had an oil embargo on Japan. I just struggle to imagine the US would actively accept immigrants from Japan and then allow them to enlist in their army if they're simultaneously paranoid enough about Japanese incursions that they'd imprison their own citizens of Japanese descent. I expect the 442nd Regiment was made up of people who were born in the US or had been living there for at least a few years, not someone who is fresh off a boat and can barely speak the language.
    • While the 442nd was primarily comprised of Nissei (first generation Japanese Americans whose parents were immigrants), there were a small number of Issei (Japanese nationals who immigrated to the US) who were in the regiment. The regiment was assigned to the European theater precisely because of the paranoia surrounding possible spies.

    Tory's status at the school 
At the end of season 2, Amanda promises Samantha that she will do whatever she needs to have Tory expelled from the school. However, shouldn't Tory have already been expelled by this point? Before the whole fight takes place, Tory attacked one member of the school's staff to announce her fight with Sam, so if trying to maim her guaranteed her expulsion, surely attacking a member of the school's staff would've deserved it too, and we can assume that at the very least, Tory knocked out that teacher and/or left her bound and gagged.
  • Modern schools in America, especially California, are doing their best to not expel or even suspend students unless they take things too far, as happens here. Tory gets expelled for her actions and only avoids juvenile hall outright because she is the head caregiver for her ill mother. However they also turn around and gave Samantha a a two week suspension which Amanda was infuriated about.

    How did Kreese take over the Dojo and get the Landlord to sign off on him? 
  • Isn't he basically just a drifter with no money at this point or was Johnny sharing any of the proceeds from the Dojo with him? Even if Armand doesn't like Johnny, at least he knows he can pay, but Kreese is a complete unknown and therefore a risk. Also, even if he could get the lease through with the landlord, isn't Cobra Kai a Sole Trader registered under Johnny's name? Can't Johnny just call the police and say that this psycho won't leave my place of business?
    • When Johnny went on his road trip with his dying friend, he left Kreese in charge of the office. It is noted on his return that Kreese has done all the paperwork and Johnny just needs to sign stuff. Kreese, being the manipulative person that he is, probably took full advantage of Johnny's disinterest in the paperwork to slip in the necessary transfers of titles and leveraged whatever credit and finances were available through that to arrange for the necessary monies. It is also not just that Kreese has got the property, he has the hearts and minds of the students too. Even if Johnny could evict Kreese, the kids made it clear they were with him and not Johnny now, he has no students.
    • A point in the Series was made that Johnny leased the building through just a "handshake deal" with Armand, the landlord. Kreese didn't need to change any paperwork, there was no formal, written contract to begin with. This being the case, Johnny has no legal right to the property. A glaring oversight, but given Johnny's lack of business acumen, one he could have easily made. Kreese probably went to Armand, told him Johnny was ruining/ignoring the business, and that he would make a better client.

     What was the deal with Coyote Creek? 
  • Johnny says to Kreese "I don't think they're ready for Coyote Creek" But they were playing a fun game like Capture the Flag.
    • They weren't "playing a fun game like Capture the Flag". Kreese took the students out there for an all out war game where he encourages them to fight more viciously than Johnny ever taught them. Since Johnny wants Cobra Kai to be better than it was in the 80s and was horrified by his students actions at the All Valley, he was clearly uneasy about the idea of the kids doing this kind of training.

     Are Miguel and Samantha the only people that were hurt in the big fight? 
  • Robbie kicked three people down a staircase. The two younger kids were probably going to have harder hits on one another if Cobra Kai methods were used. It could be multiple hospitalizations from that one fight alone. Miguel being the hardest hit casualty of that fight makes sense but are we sure Samantha was the second most injured person?
    • The audience does see Hawk get several cuts on his face from being kicked through the glass trophy case. Aside from that, it's likely that many of the teens did suffer injuries and may have needed medical attention, but since Miguel and Sam are the main participants who are in bad shape and the closest connected to Johnny and Daniel, the narrative focus was on them.
    • It is very difficult to measure on how much injury was inflicted. There wasn't enough screen time to display that.

     Moon's anti-bullying stance 
  • How can Moon be so against Hawk's bullying when she spent the first season standing idly by while Dimitri and Miguel got bullied and participated in bullying against Aisha. That's too big of a turn-around to explain.
    • Moon laughs at the video of Aisha at first, but once Aisha left the room, she kinda stops and watches her like she was thinking about it. She also seems unhappy in the cafeteria when Sam wasn't allowed at their table and Kyler bullied her. Maybe it was a process for her starting at Halloween.
    • Much like Sam, Moon seemed to have been another victim of peer pressure. Unlike Sam though, Moon was better and more willing to put up the persona of an Alpha Bitch.
    • Moon just happened to first-hand see how far things have gotten and regretted it (Hawk's transformation from bullied kid to raging bully himself). The same can be said about Yasmine who went from bully to being more compassionate in Season 3.

     Black belts already? 
  • Miguel, Hawk, Aisha, and the other contenders who show up to compete in the tournament are wearing black belts, which in most East Asian martial art schools are a sign of at least a couple of years worth of training (depends on the school; sometimes upwards of several years). Haven't the students only been at the dojo for several months at most?
    • Cobra Kai prioritized fighting more than most other karate schools. Also it's not a stretch to think Johnny registered all his students as "black belt" rank to ensure they all got to participate in the All Valley Tournament (if you recall fromt he first movie, Mr. Miyagi stole someone's black belt for Daniel when he was told that only karatekas of brown belt or higher can be entered into the tournament).

     Finish Her! 
  • Why on Earth would they just let Tory run away at the end of the House fight? The psycho has already tried to murder Sam twice and now she lead an attack on Sam's freaking house and tried to murder all of them! Yeah, yeah, Mercy and all that, but Tory really should've been an exception. After she leads a gang of thugs to your house and tries to murder and all your friends, it's time to say screw it and just beat her bloody. Letting her go is just asking for Tory to try and murder Sam AGAIN!
    • Tory and the rest of the Cobra Kai students (sans Robby) committed textbook breaking and entering, property damage, assault, and, yes, even attempted murder. Bear in mind, Cobra Kai did not get off scot-free for their involvement in the school brawl and Tory was released on parole with a clear warning that any future infractions will have her incarcerated. Presumably, the kids will tell the LaRussos what Tory did and they will call the police to have her arrested, especially since Amanda was pissed off about the earlier light sentence. As this is a clear violation of her parole, she'll be sent straight to juvie. This should keep Sam safe from Tory's wrath for at least a time.
    • At the same time, two things might ensure Tory’s continued freedom: 1) If the LaRussos get the police involved, Hawk will also go to juvie alongside the other Cobra Kais, because the law doesn't care about his Heel–Face Turn, he still broke into a house with the intent to assault its occupants. And 2) the police getting involved gives Kreese an opening to retaliate by filing charges of attempted murder against Johnny and Daniel, as they both broke into his place of business and attacked him. The audience knows that he more than had it coming, but from a law enforcement perspective, Kreese holds all the cards. So the LaRusso House Brawl is likely to have even less consequences than the one at the school.
    • Daniel and Amanda also are probably worried about the legal ramifications for the kids. Daniel did allow Hawk to attend his karate school at the end after all. The car dealership and Daniel’s reputation might have also been a consideration. Imagine after the high school fight, you defend karate to have a tournament and then another karate gang fight happens at your house.
    • Which is exactly why Sam should've beaten Tory down. She's attempted to murder Sam twice now on top of leading a gang of violent thugs to their house to attack everyone. Give her what she deserves. Even if for whatever reason they don't call the cops, it'll give Tory something to think about the next time she and her gang try to attack someone.

    Daniel doesn't know Japanese 
  • It is shown time and again that Daniel is an avowed Japanophile, and that his business specializes in selling Japanese brand cars and his key distributor is the Japanese company Doyona International. So how come he never learned to speak the language, as it is revealed in Season 3?
    • Likely because it was never all that necessary. Miyagi always conversed with Daniel in English, Doyona International has English representatives and it's clear in Season 3 that Daniel hadn't been back in Okinawa for ages so likely his only trips to Japan were business related. While Daniel is a huge Japanophile learning a new language takes a great amount of dedication and work that wouldn't really be worth it if he didn't have anyone else to actually mandate the usage of the language.
     Robby's fate after being released from juvie 
  • Why is Robby homeless? I get that he was hiding out before going to juvie, but why is a minor released from juvie with no parent or guardian to speak for him? I get that CPS doesn't do much if the child is over 16, but shouldn't someone be responsible for him?
    • Shannon was presumably the designated guardian but as she was still in rehab, she called Johnny to pick him up. Unfortunately, Robby was still pissed at both him and Daniel for how they treated him during the season and wanted nothing to do with either of them.

    Kreese and the law 
  • John Kreese has been shown to get the better of hotheads, like Amanda LaRusso, by not striking first and being technically in the bounds of law, without hard to prove outside context taken into account. But how does he get out of legal consequences for threatening to cut off Tory's landlord's fingers & beating up Armand's enforcers?
    • Notice what those three people have in common: it is really not in their best interest to have the police asking Kreese why he was beating them up. Kreese would tell them that the landlord was trying to coerce sex out of a minor, while Armand's goons were going to use violence to evict a tenant (and we only have Armand's word that the rental agreement had a legal escape clause.)

    "No bets you asshole, I'm pressing charges." 
  • Why do either Johnny or Daniel agree to Kreese's karate challenge? He has literally sent people to Daniel's house to injure or kill his kids, along with the kids of several other people. Yeah, even if you could argue that Johnny or Daniel going to Kreese's place of business (which I maintain was probably created in the first instance as a Sole Trader bound to Johnny) technically puts them both in the wrong and Kreese could argue that in a Court, I'm more than certain either of those could be dismissed as crimes of passion (Johnny's recently crippled student was beaten up badly, Daniel's property and family were assaulted). Oh yeah, and there's also the snake-in-my-autotrader thing. That at the very least should incontrovertibly put Kreese in breach of the Law, right? There's the phone-call right before it happened too, and I'm more than certain that Daniel's company records phone messages for compliance and training, surely?
    • Because it buys them time. As it stands right there and then, Kreese is gonna keep on coming at them and he is a slippery manipulative customer who has wriggled out of everything so far, so there is no indication that they have him dead to rights. At very least they need time to retreat and regroup. Plus, and this is the main one, Daniel and Johnny are as big a pair of drama queens as Kreese is when it comes to karate and their little vendetta. They both want this outcome, whether they are conscious of it or not, and want to defeat him on his own terms.
    • They have no proof Kreese put the snake in the car or that he sent the Cobra Kai students to Danny's house. Considering how many incidents have occurred between all the students even before Kreese was in the picture, it'd be an extremely difficult argument to make.
      • It would be very easy. People associated with Kreese's dojo did break and enter and destroy a tremendous amount of property. With the town already on edge over karate's effects and the fact that it happened on the LaRussos' property, would make it extremely easy for him to press charges. That the people who came to the dojo were students of Kreese would make it a very easy connection to be made and people who had heel-face realizations like Hawk and Chris would make it extremely easy to ruin Kreese's reputation. It's basically a matter of just needing to keep the story moving.
    • What got brought up in one of the episodes is that Kreese utilized his Green Beret argument as a "war hero" to get people to sympathize to him over Daniel and Johnny.

    Kyler getting away with bullying Demetri in Season 3 
  • I get the Adults Are Useless thread throughout the show. But are we really supposed to accept that this hypervigilant school doesn't notice Demetri walking around with a penis on his cast? Or more insanely, how Kyler holds Demetri's arm up and calls everyone's attention to it. The school counselor notices a fight nearly breaking out during lunch once, but no teacher notices that?
    • That's pretty true to life in my experience. If you gave detention to every teenage boy that drew a penis on someone else's belongings you'd have an entire school going in over the weekend.
    • It's less the drawing dicks and more the blatantly obvious bullying when the school is actively cracking down on anything perceived as aggressive. The only way Kyler could be more extra about it is if he Tik Tokked it and prefaced with "check out this prime bullying right here."
      • Schools don't actually care all that much about bullying. They pay lip service but when it comes time to get off their lazy butts and actually act on it, the staff will choose to either bury their heads in the sand, blame the victim(s) or both. Kyler getting away with being an asshole is sadly realistic. Remember, they never did anything about his actions prior to Season 1. Why start now?
      • Well they would start now as opposed to not doing it in Season 1 because they started cracking down on bullying hard or anything perceived as even remotely aggressive because of the school brawl remember? Season 1 was before the school brawl while Season 3 was after it. Remember, Counselor Blatt was hounding on kids for way less than what Kyler was doing to Demetri in the cafeteria. So them cracking down on Kyler drawing a dick on Demetri's cast in Season 3 while doing nothing about his antics in Season 1 would make sense given the Season 3 events were post-school brawl and the S1 events were pre school brawl. Them not hounding Kyler down is the real mystery as the OP stated in the first place.
      • Again, school faculty stick their heads in the sand when it comes to the subject of bullying. This is no different. And considering Blatt's displayed incompetence, I wouldn't put much faith in her doing anything about Kyler either.

    Why does Kreese ultimately choose Robby as his "champion" over Hawk? 
  • This has been bothersome for a bit, but from the very start of Kreese coming back to Cobra Kai in Season 2 he's been adamant about getting Robby on board, and in Season 3 goes out of his way to bring him into the fold to be his next "champion" or The Ace of Cobra Kai. The question is...why? For all intents and purposes Hawk pretty much fits what he wants in a champion to a T. He's absolutely ruthless, vicious, fights without any sense of mercy and follows each of his orders but without being a complete drone or kiss ass as he's willing to question Kreese periodically (and Kreese does seem to respect those willing to do that). But you definitely get the sense, even as he does every so often give Hawk some advice or positive reinforcement, that he never really completely buys into Hawk being the man for the job and it's shown that the two aren't particularly close especially when compared to Kreese's relationship with Robby or even Tory. It's possible that Hawk loses too many fights but Robby's record is nowhere near spotless himself. It's also possible that he felt that Hawk was a Heel–Face Turn risk but Kreese was really the one that helped kickstart that with his own decision making and Robby's history in series' run should show that he's not exactly reliable on that end either. Is it all just an obsession with Johnny that's manifesting through Robby at this point?
    • Pretty much that, yeah. He feels betrayed by Johnny and is simply using Robby for revenge.
    • Martin Kove has said in interviews that Kreese, in his own twisted way, sees Johnny as a surrogate son, which is why he constantly tries to get Johnny back on his side even when he claims it's Johnny's last chance. It seems he's extended those same feelings to Robby solely because Robby is Johnny's son.
    • Robby is Johnny's son and Daniel's student, and Kreese wants to specifically get under both their skins. Johnny for his own perceived betrayals and Daniel because he was Miyagi's protege. Using Robby as his tool, suborning him, means that he is hurting both Johnny and Daniel, and also, by proxy, Miyagi. Hawk just doesn't tick the boxes for crazy old man revenge like Robby does.
    • He also doesn't see Hawk as a natural fighter because he was a wimpy nerd before Johnny trained him. He even makes a jibe to that effect when recruiting Kyler. He prefers the likes of Robby and Tory as potential champions because of their rougher upbringings and criminal pasts. He was happy to manipulate Hawk for his own purposes, but he never saw him as alpha material and was always waiting for someone better to come along.
    • Kreese is starting to see hesitation and questioning from Hawk, since Miguel's injury. He sees that Robby can be manipulated and molded into the person Kreese wants in the team.

    Hawk Arriving at the School Brawl First 
  • Hawk and Miguel are shown to be in the same classroom in the period before the school brawl happened in the Season 2 finale, and Miguel is shown booking it towards where Tory and Sam were, so how did Hawk get there before Miguel did?
    • Tory never said where she was going to confront Sam so the two of them went in different directions trying to find them. Hawk just happened to get there first.
    • Maybe Miguel took a bathroom break. Would be the last one he ever took standing up.

    How is the tournament still on in Season 4 
  • I can wrap my head about the fact that Kreese is still not in jail at Season 3's end simply because Season 4 needs a villain. However, when the city council gets word that kids broke and entered the home of another student with intent to do serious harm, how are they still going to let the tournament go on?
    • Ultimately we'll have to wait and see how Season 4 deals with this, but considering everyone was wondering how Tory and Stingray were still walking around without getting arrested at the end of Season 2 before Season 3 showed they did face legal consequences for the school brawl, it's safe to say there will be some fallout from the home invasion, even if it hasn't been immediately apparent.

    What is Johnny Lawrence's new economic model 
  • At the end of the 3rd season, he joins forces with Daniel, who charges nothing for karate lessons. How does he make money now?
    • Maybe Johnny still charges for his students for his training like a personal trainer. And Johnny did spend some time in Season 3 looking for a new job that will probably continue into Season 4, where he and Daniel will presumably address about keeping the lessons free or start charging both Eagle Fang and Miyagi-Do students.
    Did Johnny ever marry Shannon? 

  • Not a plothole, just curious, but does Johnny ever say he married Shannon? This Very Wiki can't seem to decide. Shannon's character profile says she's Johnny's ex-wife, while the recap for episode 4 calls her his ex-girlfriend.
    • Johnny's dialogue with Ali in Season 3 implies no: "this girl I was dating got pregnant." He also told Tommy that he was never able to open up to another girl after Ali, which would be sort of strange if he was married.

     Why are Tory and her younger brother not in foster care? 
  • Tory is. 17 year old girl who works and takes care of her 10 year old brother due to their mother needing dialysis and not being able to work. Shouldn’t the state have intervened and put them in foster care, since the mother is clearly incapable of taking care of 2 minor children?
    • Tory is likely legally emancipated since she is working and the one paying rent. This would mean the apartment belongs to her. An emancipated minor is legally allowed to take care of their siblings, and her mother is an adult, so she is just allowing her mom to stay in her apartment.

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