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    Where's William Miles? 
  • I might have missed something, but whatever happened to him after Origins?
    • The Assassins are big enough again that he's likely just elsewhere. He's an older man, he's not going to be on one of the field teams if he can help it.

     Templars hiding the ISU from the world 
  • One of the early conceits of the Assasins Creed series is that the history we know is false because the Templars have been active in altering the history books to serve their purposes. So how exactly did they manage to explain away the ISU ruins where the Sphinx is encountered in the mid/late game? That particular set of ruins is on the surface, near populated areas and very obviously artificial. It doesn't look like it would even be possible for the Templars/Cult to cover it up/destroy it, considering how ISU architecture is shown to be very Ragnarok-proof(enough that by the time of Odyessy, one can't throw a rock without hitting an ISU ruin somewhere) and one would think SOMEBODY would find those ruins interesting enough to write down/draw/depict/etc even in ancient times.
    • Time claims all, seemingly, that circumstance (and possibly the misthios, given that they can act to do things about Isu for a good two thousand years) have worn down the ruins. Perhaps it's even as simple as, once the Sphinx is dealt with, the artifact it was guarding taken, the place "powers down" (for lack of a better term) and began to decay, as we saw in Rogue that Isu tech can self-destruct and leave no trace.

     A very long detour 
  • So apparently the Misthios, as child, fell off a rather high mountain near Sparta which is nowhere close to the ocean, somehow found his/her way to the shore, jumped in a boat and was somehow carried by storms all the way to an island far up the coast. That's a rather contrived detour to end up in Kephallonia purely by chance.

     Nobody ever finds the bodies 
  • Does nobody in Ancient Greece care about their dead relatives? The player character as a child falls off a cliff and everyone just kind of assumes they're dead despite there being no body found(and obviously someone went to find the baby sibling tossed over as well). Nikolaos, whether or not he was killed early in the game, is assumed dead by Stentor regardless despite there clearly not being a body if he is spared. Myrrine, upon being told her baby died, apparently just assumes this is true despite not getting a body back for burial(unless they had another dead baby who looked similar enough to give to her). Hell, even near the end, Deimos takes an arrow to the back and the Misthios acts like they could be alive or dead, despite there being no clearly recognizable body of their sibling left behind and it's implied they don't really look for the body either. This troper was under the impression burial of family if at all possible was important to the Greeks so trying to actually find a body would be an important clue that person might still be alive when it's nowhere to be found.
    • Well, you do have your Invisi-stab skill that makes bodies disappear...
    • How does that explain why Myrrine assumes her kids are both dead despite not having the bodies of either? "Can I have my baby back so I can bury it?" "No, but rest assured your infant totally died, but you can't see it and we totally didn't kidnap it to raise as a sociopathic killer".

     Atlantis is already a myth? 

  • How the hell is Atlantis already a myth circa 430 BCE? Atlantis originated with Plato as far as people actually knowing about it is concerned and Plato either wouldn't have been born yet or would have been a baby during the time period. His first mention of it was in 360 BCE, which is much, much later then the game takes place. It obviously exists in-game but there's no explanation for how the myth is apparently well known but never shows up in the written word until Plato talked about it.
    • The Misthios pleads with Barnabos and Herodotos to never talk about it. However this is no guarantee that they never did mention it again. Herodotos is reluctant to cover up history, Barnabas is happy to keep the secret but is a sea captain fond of telling tales of the Gods, and you also befriend Socrates, mentor of Plato, Aristophanes, a great playwright, and Alkabiades, who is the most trustworthy politician you'll meet in Ancient Greece.
    • That's not the question being asked. The point is that Atlantis is already known to the Misthios despite it never having been discussed at any point. It doesn't exist in ancient Greek myth prior to Plato (who is a child at best), Herodotus never mentions it, Socrates never mentions it, Barnabas never mentions it(and one would think he of all people would be blabbing on about), The cult doesn't mention it and it's not part of the plot at all prior to finding it because you were directed to Thera and it's just "Hey, I've heard of this place". It would akin to Altair seeing that globe in the first game and going "Ah, that's what America looks like".
      • If it means anything, Plato's own claim as to where he got his account on Atlantis was from Solon, who in turn got it from an Egyptian priest who claimed that Atlantis had existed some ten thousand years before their time, around when the last ice age would have ended. (At least, that's the typical version—naturally, there are some flaws to the logic and it's even been suggested that a translation error or similar may have accidentally multiplied that timeframe by ten and a hypothetically-real Atlantis was only a thousand years before then, coincidentally matching up very well with the Minoan civilization and the Thera eruption.) While Atlantis is entirely fabricated in actual history, invented by Plato as an allegory in order to glorify his native Athens, the in-universe implication is clearly that Atlantis has been whispered about for centuries because it really did exist in-universe in the same way that the Greco-Roman gods "really" existed. In fact, since Atlantis is a First Civ site, it's clearly been around for much longer than 10,000 years so that makes it even more likely to already be a myth by at least the time of Leonidas.

     All for the bloodline? Really? 
  • So... WHY does the misthios believe their bloodline is so important that it MUST be preserved by having a child with Darius's kid? Like... I played the game, and what I saw was the world being pushed to the brink of a destructive war that could engulf the world because a bunch of people decided that a bloodline, THIS PARTICULAR bloodline, the blood of Leonidas, was either a danger to be eliminated or a weapon to be used. This concern for the bloodline broke the misthios's family apart, potentially even leading to them ending up alone in an empty house that holds no meaning for them beyond having mattered to their mother. But somehow it's IMPORTANT to preserve the bloodline? So that someone can use it as a weapon again later? This fundamental point to the DLC actually seems to fly in the face of the actual game.

     Sex in the animus 
  • The Eagle Bearer can be quite promiscuous and very forward towards their bed partners. Would Layla be doing that, though? And for what reason? Does she really play out all the sex, which in at least one case is implied to take up days? While she is aware the doctor is monitoring her?
    • Gameplay and Story Integration can be in effect - there's a fade to black after the Eagle Bearer and their partner agree to sleep together, which could easily be the Animus jumping over that part for anyone monitoring, and possibly for Layla as well, like how the Animus skips over the subject's need to eat or use the bathroom, or, like how Ezio and Caterina were clearly having sex at the start of Brotherhood, or Desmond experiencing the conception of Altair and Maria's child in 2. After all, Abstergo didn't build the Animus as a historical sex simulator, so it probably was designed to jump over it. Like the Animus voice said on occasion in the first game, "fast forwarding memory to a more recent one."

     The True Purpose of the Olympos Project 
  • At the end of the Atlantis DLC, Juno and Aita show up and reveal that they know a Human rebellion is coming(and they're not wrong) and the point of the Olympos POE that turn people into monsters was to create biological weapons to keep the humans in line(and possibly to terrorize them). However, you can also find a group of Misthos clones at the heart of the secret lab, which apparently is the real goal here. So were the monsters an intermediary step in this process or another facet entirely, because one invovles gene splicing while the other one invovles making ISU/Human Hybrids and cloning them(specifically cloning a very powerful Hybrid, namely the player character).
  • Exactly how does the clone scene work in the context of this DLC? Alexios/Kassandra isn't actually in Atlantis 75,000 years ago(when it's implied to take place) but rather viewing a "distorted memory" of it, but Juno more or less says that Alexios/Kassandra are the ultimate weapon and present all the clones, of a person from 75,000 years in the future watching all this in a simulation. Are these the memories of another Hybrid seeing clones of themselves? Were these clones of Eve? And if Juno hates humans so much, why would she want powerful hybrids running around?
    • Juno/Aita are likely referring to Aletheia herself, and the clones are of her. It’s implied that the simulations the Misthios experiences are Aletheia’s memories, modified for the Misthios to more easily understand them and put them in her shoes. When Juno is explaining the six methods the Isu tried to use to protect Earth from the solar flare to Desmond in Assassin's Creed III, one hologram shows Jupiter using a Star Wars-style blaster/pistol, yet everyone in the DLC still uses swords, axes, bows, etcetera.

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