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  • A lot of the extreme or irresponsible reactions and behavior of Thor and Loki, while actually in keeping with their mythological counterparts, can also be explained by their physical age versus their mental age. This troper calculated it a while ago: Loki implies in the sequel that Asgardians live for about five thousand years. Taking the average human life expectancy as roughly eighty years, and assuming that Asgardians mature mentally at a rate more or less proportional to their lifespan — like humans — 62.5 years for an Asgardian is roughly one year of human development. So assuming that Loki was born during or at the end of the war between Asgard and Jötunheim, circa 965 C.E., and that Thor as the older brother is a few years/decades older than Loki, both of them are actually only seventeen years old mentally. That explains a lot.
  • Just before the fight between the Frost Giants and the Asgardians in the first act, Loki quickly accepts Laufey's offer to leave Jötunheim without any quarrel. It appears to be a simple act of cowardice/pacifism/voice of reason to establish Loki's character as the opposite of hotheaded Thor's. It could also have been Loki showing his psychological acumen, getting one up on Thor before he (Thor) could reject the offer — with Loki speaking up immediately, Thor essentially has to choose between starting a petty argument with his brother in front of his kingdom's enemy (which would make him look foolish/imply discord within his family), and walking away from a fight. He chooses the lesser of two evils, until he's told to "Run back home, little princess."
  • Loki's reaction of "Damn" was possibly his way of saying "I manipulated Thor into not fighting you, and you just blew it. Congratulations." Also plays into the idea that Thor smiled after the "princess" comment because Thor is thinking something along the lines of "Yes, thank you for giving me a good reason to fight!"
    • Also remember the one famous incident in Norse Mythology, where Thor had to dress as a woman in a wedding dress to get his hammer back. If the same incident happened in the MCU, it would make sense for Thor to get super-pissed off when he hears it, probably re-opened an old wound.
  • Early in the film, Thor tells Heimdall that he has "no plans to die today." Heimdall quips in return that none do. "But what about those who commit a premeditated suicide?", one might ask. In Viking culture, suicide was highly frowned upon and considered disrespectful to one's ancestors, and if the Asgardians in the film are any indication, they take honor very seriously.
    • Leads to some Fridge Horror, considering what Loki tries to do at the end of the movie. This Fridge Horror could even continue in The Avengers: Maybe Loki's question to Thor whether he was mourned would really be a legitimate question for an Asgardian.
  • During Thor's resurrection/re-empowerment, Jane says three words: "Oh... my... god." Could they be any more precise?
  • The two animal symbols on Odin's helm have been passed down to his two sons; Thor's helm has wings, while Loki's has horns.
  • While it's not obvious at first glance due to the heavy Frost Giant make-up and prosthetics, the filmmakers made an excellent choice casting Colm Feore as Laufey because his facial bone structure is virtually identical to Tom Hiddleston's.
  • Immediately after Laufey tells Thor, "Your father is a murderer and a thief!", we see a close-up of Loki, who is a "stolen relic" that Odin took from Jötunheim.
  • Heimdall's remark to Loki that he isn't dressed warmly enough to visit Jötunheim. Being a Frost Giant, Loki probably isn't all that bothered by the cold. The fact that Heimdall surely knows this while Loki doesn't, makes it funnily ironic (even if Loki doesn't get the joke). After all, wouldn't Heimdall have been there to witness Odin bringing back a baby from Jötunheim?
  • The icons left on the ground wherever the Bifröst opens seem kind of strange, and arbitrarily invoke UFO lore. What purpose does the image on the ground have? But it's not actually a part of the Bifröst's functionality. Rather, it's a visual marker left to help Heimdall keep track of where people have been dropped off recently. Not to mention a marker for the people he dropped off themselves, so they know where to stand.
  • When Loki puts the Casket of Ancient Winters into the ignition for the Bifröst to boost the power and ultimately destroy Jötunheim with its own power, it freezes the lightning. What shape does the frozen lightning take? A tree. What does Bifröst give passage through? Yggdrasil. What is Yggdrasil?
  • Thor is an extreme extrovert, a Boisterous Bruiser too busy taking in the crowd's energy to notice how self-destructive he is being. Loki has the exact opposite problem. As a quiet, pensive prince, he has never chased any desire and has only watched, puzzled, at how life's opportunities just seem to gravitate toward his brother. Thor learning how to stop, listen, be humble, and take abuse is exactly how he became a hero. Loki learning how to act, direct, assert himself and fight is exactly how he became a villain.
  • Some people criticize Thor's development, that he becomes a better person just by knowing a girl for like a week. Keep in mind for the early chunk of his exile, he's still an arrogant brutish man-child. It's only when he realizes all he's lost, by a combo of not being able to lift Mjölnir, and Loki telling him that his father is dead, does he realize what it was his father wanted him to learn. Seriously, there's a reason they say that when you hit rock bottom, there's only one direction left to go: up. It helps that his fundamental personality didn't change, he just got a harsh lesson in actually opening his eyes and paying attention.
  • One of the complaints about the movie is Anthony Hopkins' underacting. Of course he is; Odin is somewhat detached from his sons. He has come to believe in intellect and peace over strength. The most passionate scene he has is him banishing Thor, and you can just see him ramping up, emotionally, over the course of it. It's not bad acting or bad writing. It's entirely deliberate.
  • About the casting of Heimdall as a black man: Asgardians are magical aliens who were worshiped as gods by the Norse; they can have as much variety as humans. The Norse obviously represented their gods as their own race.
  • The casting of the Afro-British actor Idris Elba as Heimdall is very fitting, because in Norse mythology Heimdall is the ancestor of all mankind, and in Real Life humankind originated in Africa.
  • In addition to this, the Prose Edda describes Heimdall as "the whitest/brightest" of the gods. While his skin may not be white, his golden armor surely is bright, and his ability to see and hear everything across the universe would make him among the most knowledgeable of beings.
  • This exchange is pretty clever.
    Thor: You always were a talented liar, brother.
    Loki: It's good to have you back.
  • The post-credit sequence features Nick Fury, played by Samuel L. Jackson, opening a briefcase with a glowing object inside.
  • When Thor reappears in full glory and Jane asks him "Is this what you usually look like?" And he replies "More or less," he could be referring to his current lack of winged helmet.
  • There was quite a bit of Foreshadowing that Loki wasn't Odin's son and not Asgardian. Notice how he was one of the very few Asgardians without a beard or mustache. He's The Quiet One compared to Thor and Odin, not to mention he's lanky while Thor and Odin are bigger and muscular. He relies more on his trickery and illusions to fight instead of being a Blood Knight.
  • When Thor is about to fight S.H.I.E.L.D. and retrieve Mjölnir, he hands Jane his coat ("You'll need this"). A few moments later, as it begins to rain, he grins in delight. How did he know it would rain, and why did it make him so happy? Thor's a rain god.
  • Thor is totally serious when he asks for a dog big enough to ride. There's a myth about Thor lifting a giant cat. And no, it's not one of the "apocryphal, might have been made up later" myths, it's one of the few preserved myths of Jormungandr. Not to mention his mother, Frigga, actually rode a chariot pulled by cats. And Thor: Ragnarok gave us with Fenris a wolf who might even be too tall to ride.
  • To quote the main page, Thor develops from a "reckless, selfish Boisterous Bruiser" to The Hero... in other words, he develops from someone close to the Thor of Norse mythology to being close to the Thor of the comics!
  • Crazy meta levels of Fridge... Something: Realizing how much Loki seems to be based on Richard III. Despite the general Shakespeare flavor of the film, he has more in common with some contemporary historical analyses of the real man — the dutiful but jealous, dark-haired, physically unimposing younger brother of a big golden giant of a man, to start with, who took power after said golden giant was out of the way. And some historians suspect Richard of having been illegitimate to boot, with a few fictional portrayals having a Berserk Button in the form of being called a changeling...
    • Except for the fact that nothing in the above paragraph, other than Richard being the younger brother of Edward IV and being shorter and thinner than him, is based on actual historical facts or contemporary accounts or analyses. (And being less physically imposing than Edward did not stop Richard from being a renowned warrior just like his brother. In fact, he loved war and fighting, and was particularly known for his decisive, bold and risky decisions in battles and in politics, not for caution or long term strategy.) Instead, it either belongs to the category of myths about Richard III that are invention of later historical fiction writers and proven wrong by actual facts, e.g. Edward was not golden-haired, he had brown hair (as seen in all contemporary and near contemporary portraits of him, as well as the hair found in his grave when it was opened in the 18th century), while Richard was not dark and had medium brown hair and grey blue eyes; or it is not found in any contemporary accounts but is a later invention of Tudor era historians who basically switched the characterizations of Richard and his brother George, Duke of Clarence (Richard never showed any signs of being jealous of Edward, nor did any contemporaries think he was — while George was obviously ambitious and showed jealousy of both his elder brother Edward, whom he tried to depose, and of his younger brother Richard, whose power and influence he tried to reduce, opposing Richard's marriage to Anne Neville and trying to keep Anne under his control, so all of her mother's lands would pass on exclusively to George's wife — Anne's elder sister Isabel, and therefore to George himself. Even though George should have probably felt lucky with what he had, having in mind he had rebelled against and betrayed Edward, switched sides and was forgiven, while Richard had remained loyal to Edward). Finally, the idea that Richard was illegitimate or a changeling is something that has never been mentioned or suggested by any historian, not even the most hostile ones — in fact, he was the one whose paternity nobody ever doubted, due to his strong resemblance to his father Richard, Duke of York, which was noted by contemporaries. It was Edward whose paternity was doubted, since there were rumors (spread by his enemies, king Louis XI of France, his cousin Warwick "the Kingmaker" and his brother George) that he was supposedly illegitimate and born of his mother's supposed adultery with an archer.
  • Look at the Destroyer — it's the same size as the Frost Giants, armed with a burning beam weapon that provides some Loud of War on the side. It's an anti-Frost Giant WMD.
  • This is more linked to the comics than the film, but still sorta present by the Donald Blake fake identity thing. Donald Blake is a doctor, and Thor, in the myths, was a God of many things besides thunder, including Healing. Stan Lee's choice to make him a doctor was a glaring reference to Norse Mythology.
  • Loki was meant to be a king. Of Jötunheim. It would be the only way to guarantee an everlasting peace between the two realms, brother-kings who love one another, reconciling two rival kingdoms. Odin's plan wasn't for Loki to rule Asgard, he was meant to rule Jötunheim, and judging from Laufey's taunting, double-talking example and the brutish, probably-easily-manipulated nature of the Frost Giants in general, Loki would have done an awesome job keeping them under control. Although, his less-than-stellar rule over Asgard might have gone over better if he wasn't lashing out over his perceived misbegotten nature.
  • Not so much Fridge Brilliance as Fridge Douchebag, but in one of the deleted scenes, before Thor's coronation, he and Loki have a bit of brotherly banter. They're taking the piss out of each other a bit, Loki teases Thor about his winged helmet and Thor responds by laughing and calling him a cow. At first, it's a little inexplicable, and seems like a joke about Loki's stupid horned helmet (for that matter, Thor, bulls have horns, and aren't prettily winged helmets a Valkyrie thing?). But comparing a man to a female animal capable of giving birth (specifically your younger brother who, y'know, gave birth to Sleipnir and is already in a dodgy place vis-à-vis masculinity due to his use of magic) was a grave insult in Norse culture. Just bantering around and calling your brother a shameful queer, no big deal.
    • But let's be honest here. What guy doesn't call their friends or brothers this when bantering anyway.
    • Also, most female cattle that lack horns (polled) are a relatively recent development in animal husbandry. Odds are that if there are any Asgardian cows, they'd best resemble Viking-era cattle breeds in which both sexes grew them, same as in wild cattle species. Indeed, Asgardians might consider it wimpy to favor "unarmed" livestock over the more formidable sort.
  • In the same deleted scene before the coronation, Loki tells Thor to never doubt that he loves him. While it might just be Loki trying to reassure the nervous Thor, it could also be Loki's way to apologize in advance so that Thor would remembers this words should he find out that Loki is behind his interrupted coronation.
  • In the final fight on the Bifröst, Loki acquits himself well despite being a Squishy Wizard devoted to ranged and stealth attacks. Until he tricks Thor into thinking he's clinging to the edge of the Bifröst with an illusion, and then stabs him with Gungnir. Thor falls to the ground, Loki summons several illusions of himself, all ready to strike... only for Thor to cry "ENOUGH!" and knock him back with one bolt of lightning from Mjölnir. Loki's not that great of a physical fighter at all — even after he threatened Jane, Thor didn't want to hurt him.
  • A bit of fridge for the fight itself: Loki, while angry with Thor, only used blasts from Gungnir, physical attacks, and illusions of himself. At the very least, he could have whipped some of the magic-blades he used on Jötunheim towards Thor's head. Loki wasn't fighting to win, he wanted to distract Thor long enough for the Bifröst to destroy Jötunheim.
    • To add to this, Loki's line about "paying Jane a visit" may have been about more than just riling up Thor to fight him; he needs Thor to lose his focus on stopping the Bifröst.
  • Even with the explosions happening outside of town, it seems like the heroes have a really easy time evacuating everyone. Sure, there are government agents in the area and some weird stuff (most recently, some ren fair types walking through town) has been going on, but would people really be so willing to leave on the say-so of a couple of scientists? Considering what had been happening that week, namely the Hulk rampage at Culver University and the robot attack at the Stark Expo... probably, yeah.
  • Thor's motivations to go to Jötunheim to demand answers and prove to Odin that he is worthy enough to be king make much more sense in the Deleted Scenes before his coronation with both Frigga and Loki, the two members of his family to whom he is closest. He shows that he's nervous before the coronation and looks to both Loki and Frigga for reassurance. This was the moment that he'd been preparing for his entire life. He was groomed to be king since a young age, which would put an enormous amount of pressure on him. Seen this way, a lot of his arrogance might just be to cover up how insecure he is and would also explain why he was so angry when the coronation was interrupted and how desperate he was to prove himself to Odin.
  • Fandral's statement that Darcy and the others are speaking "our language" makes a lot more sense when you remember that in the comics, the Asgardians use the All-Tongue, which causes everyone to hear the words spoken in a familiar language.
    • Given the MCU hasn't mentioned the All-Tongue as of Love and Thunder and the above is a deleted scene, another explanation is that Asgardians are just old, and they learn the languages of the Nine Realms on a whim, as we see when we learn that Thor studied Groot as an elective back in school in Infinity War.
  • When Loki confronts Heimdall on the bridge, he's able to overpower him, but only barely: it comes very close to a mutual KO. This may be a reference to the legends of Ragnarok in which Loki and Heimdall are destined to kill each other.
  • The plot's similarities with the plot of The Lion King (1994) are actually not that surprising — both films heavily draw inspiration from William Shakespeare.
  • It's subtle, but none of the Asgardians (with the exception of Odin) ever sleep. Even as a mortal, Thor stays awake the entire time without ill effect. It's most noticeable in the scene on the rooftop with Jane. She's out cold, while Thor just gazes at the stars. This trait is also seen in The Avengers. Mind-controlled Selvig and Hawkeye both look rough, probably because Loki kept them awake for roughly 3 days.
  • Agent Coulson's comment about Thor curb-stomping the guards and making them look like minimum wage mall cops makes perfect sense. Asgardians, being a race of gods and goddesses, are many times older than humans, and may have centuries worth of fighting experience in their lifespan.
  • In the scene in the diner when Thor is having breakfast, he smashes the cup he just finished when he asks for another. This goes to the belief that to taste the same, a new cup must be used. It also honors the chef by not allowing the cup just used to be re-used for "a lesser purpose."
    • Alternatively, Asgardians drink from metal cups, which wouldn't shatter when thrown on the ground.
  • Why did the Destroyer not attack the S.H.I.E.L.D agents and only went after their vehicles? It could tell the Midgardians weren't a threat. It didn't take the chance with their machines.
  • When Eric asked Darcy about being a science major, she corrects him by saying "political science." Jane mentions Darcy was the only applicant, which makes sense since the rest of the scientific community (and presumably, college students) don't think her theories are any good. No other student would want to waste their time.
  • Why would Loki let the Jötuns in during Thor's Coronation to prove he wasn't worthy instead of talking about it with Odin, Frigga or anyone else? Because they will just assume it's jealousy right away, like Sif and the Warriors Three do, or that he's lying. He had to find a way to prove it without being blatantly connected.
  • Many people consider the scene where Odin falls into the Odinsleep right in the middle of Loki talking is a bit of an Ass Pull, to the point of becoming a meme. But watch that scene again. Notice how slow and unenergetic he is: it's not bad acting or an Ass Pull; Odin was falling into the Odinsleep already, and by that point had run out of energy to keep himself awake anymore!
    • Also consider that Thor was supposed to be crowned king of Asgard at the beginning of the movie. Why should Asgard need a new king when Odin wasn't dead? It was because Odin felt the Odinsleep approaching, of course, and knew that new leadership would be needed soon, at least until he woke up again. Furthermore, Laufey also points out that Odin looks weary when they meet on Jotunheim - it's not just a disparaging remark but the actual truth.
  • Thor is exiled and stripped of his powers, which could be seen as a form of "grounding", since it was from his father, Odin. He is also the God of Thunder, and being stripped of his electrical powers, among others, makes him... (wait for it)... grounded.
  • Loki seems to take genocide rather lightly. When Thor confronts him on the Bifröst and, aghast, tells him "You can't kill an entire race!", Loki only chuckles and answers "Why not?". He also seems to be rather amused that Thor would suddenly stop him from killing an enemy race. This becomes fridge-y after Thor: The Dark World where it is revealed that Bor, Odin's father, all but exterminated the Dark Elves and that this story was told to Thor and Loki when they were children. Genocide against an "enemy race" really seems to be a lot less of a big deal for Asgardians than for humans, and Thor only seems to have a change of heart about that after spending some time on Earth among humans.
    • Even before his revelation on Earth, Thor might've balked at what Loki was doing, or at least how he was doing it. He was annihilating the Frost Giants at long range with a weapon of mass (if not planetary) destruction. As he himself pointed out, Thor was happy to do the same with his bare hands... it gave the Frost Giants a chance to fight back, at least.
  • Despite being hit by Darcy's truck and knocked down hard, Thor doesn't take it personally, and is happy to pig out on pancakes with the ones who "defeated" him. Valhalla is said to be a warrior heaven where everyone has a big PvP-style deathmatch, and respawns afterward so that they can eat a big meal, drink heavily, and sing until the next day. By his reckoning, Darcy surprised him, defeated him fairly, and then took him to a hall to feast; finally, something he understood!
  • Thor's final battle against the Destroyer is kind of underwhelming at first glance — he's slugging it out in a podunk town in the southwest, laying his life on the line for people who are basically a bunch of nobodies in the greater scheme of things. Thing is, Thor is all about the title character learning humility. Rescuing "important" people in a flashy battle in, say, NYC would have done nothing but feed an already bloated ego.
  • An arrogant, boastful and reckless Thor is stripped of his powers and banished from Asgard until he learns to be more compassionate, kind, empathetic, and humble etc. In other words, Odin sent him to Midgard so he could learn to be more “down to earth.”
  • Re-watching, it initially seems odd that Laufey claims "The House of Odin is full of traitors"... an obvious reference to Loki, but one is hardly full... except he could be referring equally to Thor betraying his father's command not to come to Jotunnheim (an inference, but easy enough to figure out), or possibly Odin's betrayal of Hela (or vice-versa).
  • Another early hint of Loki not being an Asgardian...Vikings did, in fact, sometimes wear wings on their headgear like Thor has on his...but never horns like Loki.
    • Look at the helmets of the guards flanking the throne, look at Heimdall's helmet. They have flying horns. When Loki takes the throne, he adopts his helmet, with excessive horns. He's declaring himself a guardian of Asgard, like Heimdall.
  • Why do the Asgardians speak in British accents despite being associated with the Norse? In the comics, the Asgardians are written as speaking in Ye Olde Butcherede Englishe all the way back to Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's run. According to Tessa Thompson, this is the reason why she portrayed Valkyrie with a British accent despite Taika Waititi and Anthony Hopkins advising her not to.

Fridge Horror

  • The scene where Loki confronts Odin about his adoption.
    • The first thing out of his mouth is the question, "Am I cursed?" At first glance, this may seem like an odd or even self-indulgent question, but take a look at Loki's state of mind at that point. His entire world is being spun around and viciously shaken, and his older brother isn't there to help. Not only that, but he's also a powerful sorcerer. If he were cursed, there'd be some light at the end of the tunnel, it'd be something that wasn't the way he was born. So, by asking the question, "Am I cursed?" what he's really asking is, "Am I fixable?" And ultimately, the answer is no.
    • In that same scene, Loki picks up the Casket, which causes his true form to show. It fades, but within a couple of minutes, Odin passes into the Odinsleep. Loki moves over to him, and there's a closeup of him almost touching Odin's hand. The reason he doesn't is because he's afraid that he's going to burn Odin with frost.
  • Right in the prologue, we're treated to a scene where the Jötuns lay waste to an entire village with the Casket of Ancient Winters, freezing the poor, pitiful humans solid. After the interruption of Thor's coronation, Thor goes to Jötunheim and lays waste to it, sending hundreds of poor, pitiful Jötuns to their deaths. We're not told just how many of them might have been simple civilians, going about their day when an invader from another realm shows up and decimates the place...
  • The Bifröst, an arcane piece of Magitek that the Asgardians use to travel to other realms and back... and that has the power to destroy entire planets when it stays focused on the same target for too long. We get to see how the rainbow bridge beam starts to bend time and space around it while it lays waste to Jötunheim. Doing so appears to put a huge strain on the technology to the point that it begins to tear itself apart, but that's probably nothing Asgard can't fix in no time after the deed is done. Imagine something like this happening to Earth because some Asgardian goes off the deep end and decides to squash the humans (or because Heimdall just forgot to turn the damn thing off).
  • The way the Asgardians seem to view the Puny Humans as almost totally insignificant is not really emphasized, but it is there. Even Thor himself is not immune to this: when informed that his brother has murdered 80 people, he just shrugs and says "He's adopted", rather than being completely horrified. Odin boots Thor to Earth without worrying what that means for humanity; the fact that people built a Cargo Cult around them seems of no interest to the Asgardians. Seriously, any given one of them has a lot more respect for Frost Giants than for humans. For them, humans may not even register as people.
    • Counterpoint for the Thor example: Asgardians are a lot more cavalier and used to lethal violence in general than humans are.
    • Counterpoint to the Odin example: Odin stripped Thor of so much of his power that he was all-but human himself. No great threat to Earth from Thor being exiled there. Sure, he's really, really good at punching people, but as Hawkeye showed, nothing humanity couldn't handle.
      • Thor also isn't particularly malevolent at any part of the film - he's reckless and impulsive, not to mention a bit of a man-child, but Odin knows it's not like he's going to take it out on those around him if they had nothing to do with it.
  • Almost a Fridge Tear Jerker, but at the end of Thor, Loki lets himself fall to his death after Odin rejects all that Loki tried to do in his name. In The Avengers, he claims (with apparent sincerity) to remember Thor throwing him into the abyss. Was the memory of his father's rejection so painful that it was actually easier to believe that his brother tried to kill him?