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Fridge Brilliance

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  • Recursive example: amongst die-hard fans, some may wonder why there are so many historical figures among the legendary characters. The Throne of Heroes takes those who are well known for their feats in our reality, no matter what time period or universe they come from— and just what franchise could provide them with the proper moveset and notoriety worthy of being called a legend?
  • Some Noble Phantasms aren't usable, weaker, or act differently in this game, most notably passive and defensive NPs:
    • Heracles is summoned without his God Hand. While in-game this NP will be a literal Game-Breaker, the in-universe explanation is that the protagonist and Chaldea can't afford Herc's mana requirements for invoking the God Hand. The living Herc at Okeanos, however, can use God Hand as a recurring boss, due to directly relying on the Grail for power.
    • Nursery Rhyme's powers are completely different from Fate EXTRA, despite explicitly being the same one Alice summoned in the Moon Cell. Your reason to summon her is different from Alice's, and Nursery Rhyme is an extremely abstract Servant whose form and functions depend on the Master's needs. Alice wanted someone to play with forever, so EXTRA!Nursery has poor combat stats, but a Reality Marble to play in. You need a combat-capable Servant, so Grand Order!Nursery has no Reality Marble, but better stats.
      • Her appearance, incidentally, is another bit of brilliance: Alice wanted someone who enjoyed the same things as her to play with, so Nursery Rhyme manifested as a replica of her (having interpreted this as "I want to play with a copy of myself"). Chaldea's Master, on the other hand, doesn't care much for such things so long as the Servant is willing to fight for them, so it manifests in the same form it took in its last summoning- which happens to be Alice.
    • Altria, her alter alt, and Mordred have a NP refund effect when they use their Noble Phantasm. While seems like a gameplay element, their Noble Phantasms involve charging up a powerful Sword Beam that they then throw at the enemy. As shown back in Fate Zero, Altria there was able to store her Excalibur to use when she needed to, which translates here in gameplay as them having some of the extra power left over.
  • Aww, you use cards with the little mascot Fou to power up your Servants! It's just a little bonus, and it's soooo cuuuuute~. Actually... no. The end of the first campaign makes it clear that this is all, in fact, completely in-universe; the Astral and Stellar Fou cards are you, as a Master, using the tiniest slivers of the magical power Fou has gathered over many, many centuries to empower your Servants beyond their normal limits. You are drawing on the power of a (potential) Beast to fight other Beasts.
    • Additionally... you can see Fou's tail get fancier and fluffier on the rarer power-up cards! Awwwwww! This is one of the subtlest bits of Foreshadowing in history as to the true nature of Fou. At the end of the Solomon campaign, you get to see that "tail" unleashed in full.
    • There is a bit of overlap with Fridge Logic, to boot, as you would imagine you would stop getting Fou cards on beating Salomon Temple, since Fou explicitly depletes all his power to resurrect Mash. That would be a real pain in the butt for any Epic of Remnant Servants you pick up, though, so the Fou cards continue to be available from the FP gacha and Da Vinci's shop.
  • With BB's introduction as a Moon Cancer, it could seem pretty random and forced that she was vulnerable to Rulers, and was mostly just to give Rulers something to be effective against. But if you think about it, it makes perfect sense - Moon Cancers like BB, who derail the normal progress of a Grail War, even a virtual one like the one in the Moon Cell, are the exact kind of being Rulers are meant to stop.
    • As for why Avengers are strong against Rulers? 2 possible reasons: First is Aŋra Mainyu corrupting the grail in Stay Night prevented a Ruler to be summoned and stopping any abnormalities involved with the war. Second is the phrase "What is a king to a god? What is a god to a non-believer?" - As we see with Jeanne D'Arc, most Avengers have given up on God, whereas with the possible exception of Sherlock Holmes (who would normally qualify as a Caster), all playable Rulers believe in the Christian god (or in Quetz's case IS a god).
  • The class affinities make sense when you think about it long enough.
    • Archer beats Saber because of sheer range; having high overall stats doesn't help when your opponent can kill you before you can even see them. Lancers, meanwhile, are fast enough to get in close to Archers without getting hit; most Archers are rather weak in close quarters. However, Sabers tend to have more stamina than Lancers, and would thus tend to win battles of attrition against them.
    • Casters beat Assassins because they likely have access to scrying or other forms of sensory enhancement, and can thus find them even when they don't want to be found. Riders are good against Casters because they can charge in and trample them before they finish their spells. Assassins ambush Riders while they aren't mounted, which is when they're at their weakest.
    • Avengers beat Rulers because Rulers are prone to the "forgive and forget" mentality (if Jeanne is any indication), while Avengers are incapable of forgiveness and thus catch them off-guard. Moon Cancers beat Avengers because they trick them into going after someone else. Rulers beat Moon Cancers because they're able to force them to obey the rules.
    • Berserkers are good offensively and terrible defensively because they're BERSERKERS, and thus entirely focused on attacking, leaving themselves wide open to retaliation of any kind.
  • Gameplay-wise in Salem for those who managed to get the welfare Alter Ego, we have a foe with the power of an Eldritch Abomination best beaten with a walking Super Robot Wars reference. Now what is the latter franchise in question most famous for again?
  • Certain Original Generation human characters featured in the Craft Essences tend to have very a propos effects, especially if you choose to equip them to their partner Servant in their original series:
    • "Limited/Zero Over" (Shirou) and "Verdant Sound of Destruction" (Illya): Being Buster power-up cards, they are very good choices to use for their servants, Altria and Heracles. This also thematically extends to Rin/Ishtar, whose host is Rin, one of Shirou's main love interests.
    • "Projection" (Shirou), "Formalcraft" (Rin) and "Another Ending" (Female!Hakuno): Arts Power-up cards which coincidentally work best for EMIYA (due to his 3-Arts setup). The last one even works really well for the other main Servants from Fate EXTRA (i.e. Nero and Tamamo)
    • "Victor of the Moon" (Male!Hakuno): It is actually very helpful to equip this on either EMIYA or Gilgamesh—especially as their damage output relies on their Buster Noble Phantasms and the critical stars they will use.
    • "Imaginary Around" (Sakura) and "Gandr" (Rin): The Quick buff they offer fit very well for Quick-based Servants like Medusa and Cu Chulainn—the former having been Sakura's Servant and the latter having chosen to help Rin during Unlimited Blade Worksnote . Adding to this further would be the Lancer Parvati, (who is coincidentally hosted in Sakura's body) and the Rider Ishtar (using Rin's).
    • "The Imaginary Element" (Sakura): Having her serve as an NP battery for any Servant makes a whole lot of sense when you take into account her role in Heaven's Feel, where her unlimited mana supplies all the darkened Servants she controlled (most notably Saber Alter and Medusa).
    • "Art of the Poisonous Snake" (Kuzuki): A perfect fit for Medea, being a heavily Arts-reliant Caster.
    • "500-Year Obsession" (Zouken): In the unlikely event that any fight with Cursed-Arm Hassan leads with him being taken out, having this slapped on him causes NP seal and curse—a massive inconvenience to your potentially-overpowered enemy (and which can help you stall after losing your main star generator).
    • "Seal Designation Enforcer" (Bazett): Star generation not being Cu Chulainn's strongest suit (despite his Quick deck), having something ensuring he can land critical hits is a very good idea. For that matter, Aŋra Mainiiu's low star absorption rate is handily addressed by this.
    • "Bitter Black" (Kiritsugu): Despite their horrible rapport in Fate/Zero, Altria never had sustainability and mana issues with Kiritsugu as her master—and this CE helpfully replicates it with its HP recovery and NP gain effects. Similarly, even Assassin EMIYA's own semi-fragility (and need for NP spamming capability) could be addressed by this. Finally, placing this on Dress of Heaven/Irisviel is not entirely a bad idea to keep her spamming her healing NP.
    • "Be Elegant" and "Earl of Blaze" (Tokiomi): Star Generation being Gilgamesh's best suit, having Tokiomi's first CE increase this trait fits really well. With the Accel/Zero event, you can even add Cursed-Arm and Hundred-Faced Hassan here. The second CE, by contrast, pumps up the power of a Noble Phantasm—which if used on Gilgamesh guarantees no enemies will be left standing.
    • "Volumen Hydrargyrum" (Kayneth) and "Innocent Maiden" (Sola-ui): The first CE's damage plus and 3-turn invincibility would help Diarmuid's middling skill-set a lot, allowing him to survive and hit on Cu Chulainn's level on his own. The latter would strengthen his Quick cards and his poor NP gain as well.
    • "His Rightful Place" (Iskandar and Waver): This card is just about tailor-fit to their Servant units, with starting NP and star generation helping them fire their Noble Phantasm.
    • "Holy Night of Learning" and "Beyond the Distance" (Waver): The additional NP generation and strength is a welcome addition to Iskander, who lacks the means to properly fill the NP gauge by himself.
    • "Art of Death" (Ryuunosuke): The increased damage against humanoids compliments both Gilles's skills, which are oriented against Servants, as well as his buster Noble Phantasm.
    • "Before Awakening" and "Iron-Willed Training" (Kirei): These cards buff the power of a Servant's attack cards or increases their defense, respectively. Kirei's Servants for most of his life (Hundred-Faced Hassan, Gilgamesh and Cu Chulainn) would benefit well from such buffs, considering their lower-end attack stat, or make them even more overwhelming in the case of Gilgamesh.
    • "Awakened Will" (Kariya): His CE's benefits are not entirely great (what with the health demerit), but he does help in loading the NP gauge of his Servant. Placing it on Lancelot (while probably not a good idea in-game) definitely mirrors how Lancelot ate up Kariya's mana too much and killed him—leading to his Servant's defeat against Saber.
    • "Heaven's Feel", "Angel's Song" and "The Black Grail" (Irisviel) : Adding more firepower to a Noble Phantasm is of great benefit to servants like Artoria, Ilya, Chloe and Kiritsugu.
    • "Covering Fire" (Maiya), "Freelancer" (Natalia) and "Bygone Dreams (Shirley)": The damage plus effect and critical strength (Maiya), Quick cards + crit buff (Natalia) or NP buff (Shirley) effect would serve an Assassin with a relatively low-end attack stat—like, say, Kiritsugu himself.
    • "Necromancy" and "Heading towards Trifas" (Kairi). A fixed chance of Guts can be useful for servants like Mordred, who lack any means of evasion or invincibility and/or have low-rates of NP charging.
    • "Vessel of the Saint" (Laeticia). The debuff ignoring ability synergises with Jeanne's main drawback in using her Noble Phantasm, moreso if it's required to use it in succession.
    • "Golden Millennium Tree" (Darnic). The card's biggest effect would be to add up to max HP to the equipped unit. This responds to one big problem any Berserker has (like, say, Apocrypha Vlad) in this game—an HP pool not large enough to compensate for their relative fragility.
    • "The Final Narrator" (Caules). Frankenstein's biggest gameplay problems would be NP generation and damage power (at least compared to her class-mates). This CE's effects handily plugs most of these issues, ideally making her more viable in combat.
    • "Basking Under The Sunlight" (Fiore). This card provides evasion and damage cut—which, coupled with Chiron's own evasion and defense skills, can help in making him harder to kill and lasting longer.
    • "Light of Intellect" (Roche): While definitely plainer (and easily-superseded) compared to the other ones here, Roche's CE helps in buffing Arts cards and increasing NP gain, something nearly any Caster (like his own Servant, Avicebron) would prefer having.
    • "Gentle Affection" (Reika). The enhanced effect of healing makes Jack's Surgery skill more effective and, if used on her, increases her survivability, which is vital for the members of the squishy Assassin class.
    • "Mystic Eyes of Distortion" (Fujino): While it definitely looks redundant, equipping this very CE on Fujino's Servant unit still does increases her damage output, and the defense demerit also reinforces her Glass Cannon attributes (as potentially counterproductive that is).
    • "Grand Puppeteer" (Touko) and "Mature Gentlemen" (Mikiya): These two C Es are just about tailor-fit for both versions of Shiki (Assassin and Saber), giving them either Arts cards buffs or death resistance—both of which protect them and help their damage output.
  • The boss fights with Saber Empíreo in Shimosa, Sigurd in Götterdämmerung, and Surtr are male Sabers, but they all have charm immunity. They are not only resistant being charmed by the opposite gender lore wise, it also prevents the infamous double Euryale and Stheno strategy that involves charm locking a male Saber or Berserker opponent to death (particularly in the case of Saber Empireo and Surtr boss fights where the player is forced to bring a fixed support Servant into the battle). Not that it matters anyways since bringing Euryale is always a good idea for the Noble Phantasm damage against male Sabers.

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  • Sabers:
    • Void Shiki is in a league of her own and is one of the strongest beings in the Nasuverse (other than Servants). But she isn't effective for fighting Servants since she's in a human body. Just like her Assassin counterpart, her gameplay stats fit with the statement that she can only fight defensively against Servants: she's a Saber-class Servant, which is almost always guaranteed to have solid in-universe statistics, and she has very high HP but rather low ATK for the standards of a 5* Servant.
    • Mordred's third ascension may look like WTH, Costuming Department? at first glance, but going by how Servants trust their Master as their Bond and Ascension levels rise, it indicates that Mordred has become more comfortable in her Master's service that she feels free to be herself. She was also your ally in London, so that may have something to do with her outfit change (also her Summer version) as well.
    • Why is Proto!Arthur's Excalibur so underwhelming compared to it's finished counterpart despite it's Super Prototype status? In gameplay, the damage modifier is a paltry 300% compared to Altria's 400% and Saber Alter's 450% at Level 1. The reason is because if you hear closely, only 6 out of 13 seals were unlocked meaning that it just got through the bare minimum requirements just to be able to do it's trademark Sword Beam. Not only that, Altria's 400% multiplier was due to her Interlude quest where she has to get rid of the 13 seals to tap into more of Excalibur's power more freely. Now what was her damage multiplier before the Interlude again? 300%.
      • Also, if Arthur undoes 7 seals, Excalibur can defeat an Anti-World Noble Phantasm, as seen in Fate/Prototype OVA.
    • It makes sense that Musashi would panic about falling in love with the main character, considering that the person she's based on never married or had a romantic/sexual relationship of any sort.
    • Why is Sigurd considered a much better servant in gameplay while Siegfried was primarily focused towards Dragon Slaying and required boosts later on? Siegfried's legend was a variation based off of Sigurd and came after the latter and in Nasuverse the older something is the more strength it gains.
  • Archers:
    • Two particular Servants' personalities are different from their portrayals in the original work:
      • EMIYA being his Lighter and Softer personality since he isn't burdened by his Counter Guardian duties in this work and it's consistent with his portrayals in Fate/Extra (where he is not a Counter Guardian with an eternal contract to Alaya, just a nameless hero with a contract to the Moon Cell). Thus he mainly acts like his young self, Shirou. This also explains why Altria is kind of attracted to him.
      • Gil also is not as jerkish as his Fate/stay night and Fate/Zero portrayals because humanity is at stake. This is because in his lore (from Fate/Extra CCC, at least), Gil considers humans his property and thus cannot abandon them. He actually loves humanity.
    • David's hair being green originally struck me as "Fate failed the lore again", since the Bible spells out that he's a Red-Headed Hero ("he was ruddy, a youth handsome to behold"). King Solomon's human incarnation is the red-headed Doctor Roman. So... did Fate fail the lore again, or did they dodge a massive Hair Color Spoiler by only pretending to fail the lore again? note 
    • Many players found EMIYA to be extremely lackluster for a 4-Star Servant and a favorite among long-time Type-Moon fans. He was considered weak for his rank, his skills were not the best, his animations were lacking, and Unlimited Blade Works did abysmal damage, requiring the player to use unconventional tactics to maximize his efficiency and perform several quests to upgrade his skills and Noble Phantasm, as well as needing buffs in later updates. However, this makes total sense when you take his origins into consideration. In life, Shirou/EMIYA was a third-rate magus and only became such a badass from years of training and improving the skills he already had and developing a very unconventional fighting style. The player's struggles to make him viable are a reflection of this.
      • It should also be noted that Unlimited Blade Works is mainly used by players for generating Crit Stars rather than for raw damage. Then, you realize that the Reality Marble has always been a setup rather than an attack in and of itself (such as when Shirou uses it to counter Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon). With Unlimited Blade Works up even for a moment, Archer's damage output rises significantly.
      • This could also explain why Kuro is so much more effective as a Servant than EMIYA, despite her powers being derived from him. Unlike her alternate dimension older brother, Kuro had EMIYA's skills from his peak installed(pun not intended) into her very being since she was given a body thanks to the Archer EMIYA Class Card. EMIYA's max potential is something she was gifted with at "birth" as opposed to through years of training.
  • Artemis comes of as really odd for her legend namely The Ditz personality she has but that's thing she isn't an airhead bimbo despite her body type, she is a child which makes a lot of sense because she is a goddess of childhood, her personality is like that of a spoiled princess, which if you have read her legend you know she kind of is, when she first met her father Zeus she asked for a bunch of things just like any little girl would to her father. it also explains how Apollo got her to shoot Orion, he likely did a simple Sibling Rivally trick, bet you cant hit that rock and she didn't even think about besides proving her stupid brother wrong.
  • Lancers:
    • Why are the breastplates used by Altria Lancer and her Alter counterpart sloped? Two reasons: It gives them room to breathe while avoiding the structural weakness of a Breast Plate, and will more easily deflect blows when they're charging the enemy on horseback.
    • Leonidas isn't one of the characters that Penthesilea gets bonus damage against. Aside from the obvious one, him being based purely in history, there's one other reason: his claim to fame is defending against a Persian invasion - much like how Penthesilea was defending against a Greek invasion of Troy; she'd probably see that they are Not So Different.
      • Furthermore, most of the Greek heroes she gets bonus damage against were ones that she has either encountered, or ones that were so influential that they would effectively go down as more then just a man. Leonidas was a Badass Normal king who lived roughly around six hundred years after her, meaning she wouldn't have any reason to have beef with him. Leonidas didn't do anything to her nor was he involved in any of affairs related to those she can deal extra damage to.
      • Penth's Berserk Button is being considered a woman first and a warrior second. Leonidas is from a culture where young girls and women were trained to fight as much as the men were. He would care more about strength than gender anyway!
    • Brynhildr's voice lines in which she loves people who remind her of Sigurd two of the most notable ones are Siegfried and Archer EMIYA. The former is understandable because he came from a variation of Sigurd's original myth. The latter makes more sense when you consider that Archer EMIYA and Sigurd are blacksmiths who create swords, use magic, and are tragic heroes.
  • Riders:
    • For those who were repulsed by Blackbeard's behaviour and characterization, this post might actually provide insight as to why he is like that.
      • In addition, Blackbeard being a lolicon can be considered historically valid. His wife, Mary Ormond, was 16 years old when she married him.
    • Why does Red Hare need a lot of Magical Cerebrospinal Fluid for his ascensions and skills? Because from a distance, they look a lot like carrots.
  • Casters:
    • Why is Mozart only a 1-star Servant? Because he wrote a canon about a place where the stars don't shine.
    • The story support Da Vinci has Chaldea in her background art because she stayed there for several years and it's like a home for her, whereas the one you summon is directly from the Throne so she's not too familiar with Chaldea to the point where she'd call it a home and thus doesn't have Chaldea as her background.
    • Caster Gil is 4 star rarity while Archer Gil is 5 star rarity. This seems like a weird switch, but Caster Gil is explicitly stated to be not that powerful of a Mage, and relies on his naturally high power to boost his skills as a Servant. Gil as an Archer however, is naturally suited to the role because he can use Gate of Babylon freely, without a need to worry about his lack of combat skills compared to other Servants. Furthermore, its stated that Caster Gil basically is using a weaker Gate of Babylon because he needed to use it to defend Uruk, so naturally his skills as a Caster are weaker because he himself is weaker. His Archer self doesn't have this weakness.
  • Assassins:
    • Shiki being able to fit in the Assassin class is surprisingly congruent with the infamous answer to the oft-asked question about whether or not she can kill Servants. The Word of God answer amounts to: while she can see their lines of death, she isn't strong enough that she can maintain a head-on fight against them and actually cut the lines. Assassin-class Servants are also notable for being unable to fight Knight-class Servants head-on, so they instead rely on tricks and pragmatism to be able to kill them. With both of those in mind, Shiki as an Assassin when compared to other classes is very fitting; her combination of a low ATK but a specialization in inflicting a One-Hit Kill Noble Phantasm also reinforces this.
    • Shuten-douji is portrayed as a scantily-clad woman with slurry, alluring voice. That is very consistent with her legends, where she charms young men to her lair... to make them drunk senseless and then eat them. Also, this explains Kintoki's weakness against women in revealing clothes, because his ex-girlfriend is a woman in revealing clothes, herself. He won't be allured again!
    • Why does Li Shuwen use three strikes for his NP when fighting against the party in SIN when his playable version just has the one? This one's from an Alternate Timeline where the emperor and their needs are prioritized above everything else, especially with the several centuries of indoctrination of the emperor's teachings. Of course, he doesn't care about how many hits he does when the entire nation and emperor's wellbeing is at stake!
    • While not officially classified as such, Carmilla is essentially Elizabeth Alter. She's Liz who had been dominated by her darkest impulses, has gold eyes and pale hair, and hates her other self.
    • Historically, Mata Hari was extremely flat-chested... and had an inferiority complex about it. The voluptuous version of her in Grand Order could be seen as either padding her top generously or as magical self-modification, either of which makes sense.
  • Berserkers:
    • Despite many upgrades and his Saber version using Arondight as his Noble Phantasm, Berserker!Lancelot still uses an M71 Vulcan in his NP attack. This is because the Noble Phantasms of a Servant are dictated not only by the weapons and deeds they did in life, but also by the legends, stories and even mistakes and mistaken associations that sprang up around their original myth. The more famous the story, the greater the influence on the Servant. Now, isn't there a famous story about Lancelot using a machine gun? This actually piles up in his animation update: no way would the fighter jet be part of his Noble Phantasm if it hadn't contributed enough to his legend as well.
    • Just before the arrival of Lostbelt #4: Yuga Kshetra, Minamoto no Raiko gained a skill enhancement that further empowered her already impressive-set, which caused no small amount of surprise/comment. Gameplay-wise, her buffing is justified with the arrival of Arjuna Alter, who is nearly-superior to her in execution and survivability. While the meta-game explanation is pretty clear, it also works on an in-story sense: remember, Raiko and Arjuna are technically half-siblings, being borne of equivalent deities (Gozu-Tenno and Indra). It should definitely make sense that they are near-equal in power and performance.
  • Extra Classes:
    • Avenger of Shinjuku can only manifest as a proper Servant when Lobo and the Hessian work together, as they are only able to reach the level of an Urban Legend otherwise. This makes sense, given that even in The Legend of Sleepy Hollow, it was hinted that the Headless Horseman wasn't real.
    • Mash having the Riding Trait might seem a bit odd - she's a Stone Wall, so she doesn't have much use for crit stars, her deck only has 1 quick card, and her Noble Phantasm, on top of not being a damage-dealing one, is an Arts card. What's one common trait of the Knights of the Round Table in F/GO? They all have the Riding Trait.
    • XX going after Foreigners makes a lot more sense when considering her hatred of octopi and that all Foreigners (and BB) currently are plugged into Outer Gods with octopi appendages, so she's just going after another of her pet peeves. In addition, her hatred stems from Gilles summoning several Cthulhu related entities in Fate/Zero, giving her another reason to go after Foreigners!
  • General/Other:
    • Everything we've seen and been told about Fou's character makes sense once his true nature comes to light. He is called a "Beast of Comparison". He was raised by Merlin, so he naturally reflects off of his master, gaining a similarly fussy personality (as well as a few Covert Pervert tendencies gained from prolonged exposure to a half-incubus). The reason he and Merlin tend to argue is because, as Shirou and Archer have proven, Other Me Annoys Me quite often (another way in which "Comparison" comes to light). Conversely, if he were raised by Altrouge Brunestud, he would gain a more spiteful view of humanity and grow into Primate Murder rather than Cath Palug.
    • The Limited/Zero Over craft essence has "Convergence is the proof of the ideal. As if forging a sword, as if burning up your own life, you will continue to strike steel."' Guess what happens in the climax of the Shimosa sub-singularity: Sengo Muramasa — a pseudo-Servant in Shirou's body as depicted in Limited/Zero Over — burns up his life force to forge the Sword of Totsuka.
    • Sengo Muramasa raises the possibility that Shirou could be a descendant of his, this leads to the question of why would the Muramasa clan move to Fuyuki, this however makes sense with what happened after the Sengoku Jidai: Once the Tokugawa Shogunate was established, they began to hunt down their enemies and perceived threats across Japan, amongst their targets were the clans that opposed them and the Japanese Christians, who were thought to be in league with the European powers; it would make sense for the members of the Muramasa clan to seek protection from the Tohsaka as both were in the same situation of persecution and thus were allowed to live in Fuyuki, probably becoming Christians themselves in the long run.
      • If their relation is confirmed, this would also make Shinji a Foil of Shirou on another level: The former's family came from a prestigious background in the Magus world and was one of the founding members of the Holy Grail War; however, the land of Fuyuki rejected the Makiri and sent their clan to magical decline, ending in their latest heir being born without magic circuits. In contrast, the Muramasa were likely outlaws by the time they arrived to Fuyuki, on the run from the Tokugawa's persecution of Christians and political enemies alike; yet it was from this family that Shirou would be born as a first generation magus, something uncommon in the world of lineages that is the magus world.
    • In one particular dialogue, Archer EMIYA notes that he has a weakness for Gold Archers and Blue Lancers, and suggests that the player keep them away from his team. While he is technically referring to Gilgamesh and Cu Chulainn, Ishtar and Parvati can also count as a "gold archer" and "blue lancer". Ishtar was summoned into the body of Rin, and Parvati into the body of Sakura, both of whom were two of Emiya's love interests in his former life. In other words, he is weak towards the two women he cared for in his previous life.
      • Muramasa, Ishtar and Parvati's place in the Class triangle (as Saber, Archer and Lancer respectively) makes quite sense if you know the source material: Sakura was Rin's Morality Chain for a long time, being the ultimate reason for why she revived Shirou with her supercharged pendant at the start of Fate/Stay Night; Shirou, on the other hand, was Sakura's Living Emotional Crutch, something exploited by Zouken in "Heaven's Feel"; finally, Shirou tends to follow Rin's lead and admired her before the story begins while falling for her in Unlimited Blade Works, not to mention that an alternative version of him was a servant of her in all the routes.
    • Considering that Tesla and Edison were famous rivals in real life, it might seem odd that the two aren't part of the same triangle - that is, of course, until you realize that the two developed competing electrical currents, AC and DC. Since each one has advantages the other doesn't, it makes sense that the classes each one is reflect this - thus, neither has a class advantage over the other.
      • Furthermore, the reason why Edison and Tesla are in their respective classes is reflective of their approach to electricity: Edison was quite the business man and is the one who managed to make the light bulb profitable to sell and easy to mass produce, which fits with the Caster's ability of Item Construction; meanwhile, Tesla became infamous for his Death Ray, which would allow him the qualify for the Archer class.
    • Altria's Saber and Lancer alts are both Five Star rarity Servants, while the Alter variants are Four Star rarity despite being considered better gameplay wise. However, given the nature of the Alter form; this makes sense. The Alter form is a perversion of the Heroic Spirits original being by essentially causing them to change alignments, even if they still have the same beliefs overall. Their essentially a Evil Knockoff of the original Heroic Spirit that normally shouldn't exist, meaning that they are a lower rarity because they are a "less pure" variation of the Heroic Spirit summoned.
      • Notably this is averted for Cu Alter, Jeanne Alter, Atalante Alter, and Emiya Alter, but this makes sense because these are all Alter forms created by means that are not the same as Altria. Cu and Jeanne Alter are Servants created by someone wishing for their ideal version of the Heroic Spirit, thus creating a new being that is technically separated from their original being (Cu's Berserker is different from Cu Alter's Berserker class, and Jeanne is too pure to be corrupted). Emiya Alter is an alternate universe version of him that became corrupted by the experiences he had in combination with embracing his Counter Guarding role in a way that means he became a twisted form of his normal self, so he essentially is the Fate/EXTRA Emiya (Nameless) but an Alter one. As for Atalante, her Alter form is created by using Agrius Metamorphosis to become a Berserker class Servant. Unlike the others, she is essentially turning into another class through a Noble Phantasm, so she isn't a separate being from the regular Atalante in terms of her Alter form. Furthermore, her Alter title is more of a title since in Fate/Apocrypha, she was essentially in a powered up form instead. Interestingly enough, but Emiya Alter and Atalante Alter are the same rarity as their normal forms, showing that they are not separate beings like Cu and Jeanne, which makes sense given they both are not unique beings.
    Story-Specific 
  • The Fake Richard I who led the False Crusaders at Jerusalem is said to be "monstrously strong" even if his enemies are the Knights of the Round Table. This apparently stems from his (as for now) small display of abilities in Fate/strange fake with his 2 powerful Noble Phantasms and the fact that he, Saladin, and a Hassan fought a Dead Apostle in the Third Crusade. It was said that fake Richard is so different from the real Richard... but we can guess what happened if Richard had forgone his royal, knightly manners.
  • The 'Camelot' we see isn't the real Camelot, it's essentially just a magical replica. In other words, it's only a model!
    • It gets even better with Mash's Noble Phantasm for Cosmos in the Lostbelt as she has to use a simulation of it, and it's literally called Model Camelot.
  • A little bit of delayed Fridge Horror with this too, but with the revelation that Dr. Roman is actually Solomon, who was originally summoned in the 5th Grail War and is generally a great guy, a lot of Roman's previous actions in the previous Singularities, notably his breakdown after London, come in a very different light.
  • Ishtar shrinking at the gates to the Underworld was a good way to censor the myth where she has to strip her clothes off. However, in English translations, it becomes a rather clever Stealth Pun. Ishtar must belittle or diminish herself, since both of those words can be read as either "to shame (someone)" or "to reduce in size". Lucky Translation?
  • After the Babylonia chapter, Gil's dismissiveness of Angra Mainyu in Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night makes much more sense. Angra Mainyu is just a "knockoff" of Tiamat... and we all know what Gil thinks about fakes and imitations. No wonder he assumed it couldn't affect him!
  • While it is likely a coincidence, this post says that the order of the Demon Pillars killed in the NA version of the Solomon raid actually makes sense in a story perspective aside from obvious greed.
    • Barbatos being the first to go is due to being the Control Tower aka the command centre. Crush it first and the rest of the pillars will fall into disarray.
    • Secondly, Flauros is next to fall. Being the information hub, the lack of information will result in them being unable to analyse and form a counter-attack.
    • Thirdly, Forneas is the observatory. The Masters can no longer be tracked.
    • Fourth, Sabnock's defeat will weaken the remaining pillars regenerative properties as it was the hospital.
    • Last to fall will be Halphas and Amon. At this point, the armoury (Halphas) is as good as useless due to the lack of intelligence while Amon ability to infer requires the Observatory Forneas which was destroyed earlier.
    • Another post, which will be linked when it can be located, contains a brief lecture on the Ars Goetia and the role correspondence of Fate's named Demon Pillars to their original counterparts, whether straight (Barbatos is keeper of treasures) or ironic (Zepar advises lovers).
  • In Shinjuku, it's a plot point that all the Hassans are practicing Muslims and are not allowed to get drunk on alcohol. However, in Camelot, we saw Hundred Personas visibly getting sloshed on sake. Hundred Personas' superpower is a direct result of mental illness, so she/they may have a medicinal excuse. In addition, Hundred Personas received the name of Hassan-i-Sabbah as a Loophole Abuse to prevent the Zealot Assassin from getting it— she/they might be an exception altogether.
  • In the Babylonia Singularity it's said that Ishtar is attacking Uruk every day she can, yet she's treated more as an annoyance. There's a good reason: Ishtar is Uruk's guardian deity-she's just going through the motions.
    Event-Specific 
  • In the Saber Wars event, it's mentioned that Lancers are extinct and Archers are imprisoned as criminals. Of course that would be the case: Lancers are weak against the Saber class (plus this is a joke event, so the Carnival Phantasm running gag of Lancer dying at the drop of a hat is no doubt in play) so in a world overrun by Sabers it makes sense they've been killed off, while Archers are strong against the Saber class. Sabers likely wouldn't want to have people that can kill them easily running around free.
    • Also, MHX's profile mentions that her ultimate nemesis is the Great Emperor Cosmo Gilgames. Sounds familiar? Why of course, it's Gilgamesh and he won't be imprisoned like those mongrel Archers! It's likely that Gil is the only Archer running amok in that future.
      • It could also be some form of foreshadowing to the fact that Gilgamesh has a Caster version - after all, she doesn't mention the fate of any of the other 5 classes that are available when Saber Wars takes placenote , and Caster! Gilgamesh would be a good choice for taking down an Assassin...like MHX.
      • Due to a translation error, in the North America version of the Saber Wars event, MHX's cosmic nemesis is Gilles. Talk about From Nobody to Nightmare! The "brilliance", however accidental, is that Gilles de Rais is both Saber (in which form MHX easily wins) and Caster (theoretically giving him a class advantage, although by stats alone MHX still has the high ground).
    • The first run of the Da Vinci and the Seven Counterfeit Heroic Spirits event coincided with Leonardo da Vinci's actual birthday, April 15th. Cute or what? A Birthday, Not a Break for Da Vinci-chan!
  • In the Fate/Zero event, it's mentioned that due to Irisviel receiving upgrades to be Altria's Master, the two of them form an unbeatable team said to be guaranteed to win the Fourth Holy Grail War, to the point that the World is even sending a Counter Guardian after Irisviel to stop the horrible consequences of the Einzberns regaining Heaven's Feel. With a Servant like Gilgamesh in the picture, why is it that Altria and Irisviel are predestined to win, but in the Fifth War a similarly-powered team of Illya and Heracles were easily brushed aside by Gilgamesh? Because with Irisviel upgraded and Kiritsugu out of the picture, there was no reason for Irisviel to keep Avalon from Altria, meaning that she would be in possession of a Noble Phantasm capable of halting even Ea. In addition, unlike Heracles, Altria lacks divinity, meaning that the Chains of Heaven wouldn't have as much of an effect on her than they did with Heracles.
  • The Onigashima event, being a Japanese-themed event gives damage boost for "Japanese" Servants, including the Type-Moon original characters who are explicitly Japanese like EMIYA and Shiki Ryougi. Its rerun about a year later then adds more Japanese Servants who are released after the original event, although Pseudo-Servants whose human vessel is a Japanese person like Ishtar (Rin Tohsaka) and Jaguar Man (Taiga Fujimura) are not included. One may wonder why Illya and Chloe are included in this list of "Japanese Servants", since Illya is usually considered as being from Germany and Kuro is her... magic clone... sister-thing. And then you realize: Illya's father (and thus Kuro's, by association) is Kiritsugu Emiya, a Japanese man, making the two half-Japanese and thus a perfect fit for the list. (It even works extra hard for this Illya, since it's the Prisma version of Illya, meaning she lives in Japan, too!)
  • At the beginning of SE.RA.PH, Nero suggested the protagonist to have an island vacation with Servants but Tamamo-no-Mae objects, saying it is a bad idea and recalled the events in Chaldea Summer event, implying that this Tamamo is the same Tamamo who becomes Lancer and stuck in swimsuit after Scathach forgot the runes to undo it. How did Lancer Tamamo revert back to Caster if the runes to do it are forgotten? Since she is originally a Caster and never lost her abilities upon turning into Lancer, it's possible for her to use her own magecraft to find a way to undo it and even transform again at will. It is evident later in the post-story section of SE.RA.PH in MICOON Battle where the player faced Tamamo and transform into swimsuit Lancer mid-battle. And unlike Nero who stays as Bride after she is defeated in her battle, Tamamo reverts to Caster after being defeated and later assist the player against BB/GO.

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Fridge Horror

  • Fuyuki City in flames is already very disturbing, but compare the map in this game to the map of Fuyuki in Fate/hollow ataraxia, the first area of the map is the Emiya residence, the large crater in the ground is exactly where the Tohsaka residence was and the area where you can fight Heracles as a Bonus Boss is the forest outside the Einzbern Castle. And if you look at a version of the map without game icons, you can see a long city-spanning line of fire that was shot by Excalibur.
  • The Big Bad is a Servant who is capable of summoning himself from the Throne of Heroes. Considering how the Throne exists outside of space-time, and a Heroic Spirit who "dies" really just gets sent back there, this means that Solomon is completely unkillable - even if you do muster enough power to destroy his form, he can just summon himself back into the world without a hassle.
    • Thankfully this turns out to be a bluff in order to intimidate Chaldea. However, we actually learn that it's Beast I Goetia possessing the dead corpse of Solomon, and it's basically immortal until the real Solomon sacrifices himself and his existence in the throne to even make him vulnerable.
  • From what's been shown, all seven of the Beasts are capable of ending humanity, with Solomon's Noble Phantasm incinerating Earth in an instant and the brutal onslaught that was Tiamat and her Lahmus. Both required extraordinary effort to defeat, so we can only shudder at what the remaining ones are like and what it'll take to defeat them.
  • Also, from the prologue to Time Temple Salomon: So Marisbury Animusphere and Solomon made normal wishes on the Fuyuki Grail? Fate/Zero, both itself and the Zero event in the game itself, tells us why that would be a terrible idea! The Fuyuki Grail at that point, in that state, would implement the wish in the most destructive way possible! Yet it would seem like nothing happened... until you realize that Solomon had that final vision of humanity's incineration right as his Clairvoyance faded, after he had made his wish. Making that wish is probably what prevented Lev Lainur from killing himself as he otherwise does, allowing Goetia to kick off his plan and the entire plot of Grand Order.
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    • The grail in Fate/Zero and Fate/stay night only interpreted wishes as destructive because Angra Mainyu had contaminated it from the Third War. There were no previous grail wars in this timeline so the grail would never have had a chance to be contaminated.
    • As a side bit of horror to this: the records on Trihermes in the Atlas Institute during Camelot are pretty clear on Animusphere winning the 2004 Fuyuki War by killing all opposing Masters. If... if Animusphere was the only "new" Master (or is even, perhaps, the otherwise Master of Medea briefly seen during the UBW anime), then did he... did Shirou, Rin, Sakura, Illya...?
      • He can't be the otherwise Master of Medea, because that master's name is Atrum Galliasta, and from what we know of him, he doesn't match any description that has been given of Marisbury so far.
    • They're probably okay. Remember that no Grail Wars happened in the F/GO timeline until 2004. As such, Shirou would be living a normal life (since the fire would've never happened, at least outside of the Point F Singularity), the Einzberns may've still sent Kiritsugu (so he would've died instead), and Tokiomi should still be alive since Kirei repressed himself until meeting Gilgamesh).
  • Fou turns out to be an alternate version of Beast IV, better known as Primate Murder, who gained a different perspective of humanity thanks to Merlin's influence. Given what we know about Primate Murder and the other Beasts, we're extremely lucky it's on our side and gave up its power and intelligence to bring back Mash.
    • After the reveal of how Beast III-R was made, which is created by overriding the GO counterpart with a counterpart that became a Beast, who's to say that any other Demon pillar or even Altrouge Brunestud herself might waltz in and pull the same stunt on our dear Fou. Unlike Kiara, Fou is actually aware of his original future as Primate Murder as stated by himself when he was resurrecting Mash in the epilogue of Solomon chapter but still...
  • Tamamo says in her second Interlude that her nine-tailed true form's power is on par with Grand Caster Solomon as possessed by Goetia. Considering that Goetia is a Beast, it's possible that nine-tailed Tamamo (which first appeared in Fate/Extra CCC's Tamamo secret garden) is a Beast herself.
    • And in Valentine 2017, Swimsuit!Tamamo outright says that her beastly nature is awakening and that she's joined the Tamamo Nine as "Tamamo Shark". Also, after drinking Tamamo's concoction...
      MC: "... this girl is truly a Beast, isn't she?"
    • Let's not forget the entity of whom even Nine-Tailed Tamamo is only a splinter fragment: Amaterasu. A SOLAR DIVINE SPIRIT, who thus isn't an emanation of Earth but of the Universe, and thus in the same weight-class power-wise as Velber/Sefar. And who called herself an Evil of Man, which is the moniker of the Beast class. Be afraid.
  • Kiara's inclusion as a playable character brings a certain point to the mind. It's her "Independent Manifestation" passive skill, a skill that all Beast Servants have. It would seems that the skill is one of the requirement for a Beast class vessel, just like EX-ranked Clairvoyance for the Grand Caster vessel. Then, who else has "Independent Manifestation" as a passive skill? It's Void Shiki. The Spiral of Origin as an Evil of Humanity? *shudder*
    • Fortunately, they aren't Beast candidates. Side materials say that she and Merlin simply stole this skill from Beast-class. Phew.
  • Gilgamesh's statement in Babylonia that people killed in singularities stay dead even after the timeline is "corrected." Consider just how many people have died thus far, from Charles VII (due to Jeanne Alter) to George Washington (due to Medb) to nearly all of Mesopotamia.
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