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  • Recursive example: amongst die-hard fans, some may wonder why there are so many historical figures among the legendary characters. The Throne of Heroes takes those who are well known for their feats in our reality, no matter what time period or universe they come from— and just what franchise could provide them with the proper moveset and notoriety worthy of being called a legend?
  • Some Noble Phantasms aren't usable, weaker, or act differently in this game, most notably passive and defensive NPs:
    • Heracles is summoned without his God Hand. While in-game this NP will be a literal Game-Breaker, the in-universe explanation is that the protagonist and Chaldea can't afford Herc's mana requirements for invoking the God Hand. The living Herc at Okeanos, however, can use God Hand as a recurring boss, due to directly relying on the Grail for power.
    • Nursery Rhyme's powers are completely different from Fate/EXTRA, despite explicitly being the same one Alice summoned in the Moon Cell. Your reason to summon her is different from Alice's, and Nursery Rhyme is an extremely abstract Servant whose form and functions depend on the Master's needs. Alice wanted someone to play with forever, so EXTRA Nursery has poor combat stats, but a Reality Marble to play in. You need a combat-capable Servant, so Grand Order Nursery has no Reality Marble, but better stats.
      • Her appearance, incidentally, is another bit of brilliance: Alice wanted someone who enjoyed the same things as her to play with, so Nursery Rhyme manifested as a replica of her (having interpreted this as "I want to play with a copy of myself"). Chaldea's Master, on the other hand, doesn't care much for such things so long as the Servant is willing to fight for them, so it manifests in the same form it took in its last summoning- which happens to be Alice.
    • Altria, her alter alt, and Mordred have a NP refund effect when they use their Noble Phantasm. While seems like a gameplay element, their Noble Phantasms involve charging up a powerful Sword Beam that they then throw at the enemy. As shown back in Fate Zero, Altria there was able to store her Excalibur to use when she needed to, which translates here in gameplay as them having some of the extra power left over.
    • If you realize that the player Ritsuka has 100% Master Affinity it actually explains why some servants can't use their abilities or that they work differently. Ritsuka is capable of working with any servant, but has little skill as a mage. Because he can't supply as much mana even with Chaldea doing most of the work his affinity as a Master could change a servant's Saint Graph to make them as effective as possible with the current limitations. Like how Karna's armor lacks the ability to reduce all attacks to 1/10 and his absolute kill spear doesn't grant a guaranteed kill anymore, but in exchange can be fired off repeatedly. Achilles Noble Phantasms being made into Personal Skills and being able to interact effectively with one another would also apply. Other examples would include Armor of Fafnir, God Hand, and other Noble Phantasms described, but not shown in the game.
  • Aww, you use cards with the little mascot Fou to power up your Servants! It's just a little bonus, and it's soooo cuuuuute~. Actually... no. The end of the first campaign makes it clear that this is all, in fact, completely in-universe; the Astral and Stellar Fou cards are you, as a Master, using the tiniest slivers of the magical power Fou has gathered over many, many centuries to empower your Servants beyond their normal limits. You are drawing on the power of a (potential) Beast to fight other Beasts.
    • Additionally... you can see Fou's tail get fancier and fluffier on the rarer power-up cards! Awwwwww! This is one of the subtlest bits of Foreshadowing in history as to the true nature of Fou. At the end of the Solomon campaign, you get to see that "tail" unleashed in full.
    • There is a bit of overlap with Fridge Logic, to boot, as you would imagine you would stop getting Fou cards on beating Solomon Temple, since Fou explicitly depletes all his power to resurrect Mash. That would be a real pain in the butt for any Epic of Remnant Servants you pick up, though, so the Fou cards continue to be available from the FP gacha and Da Vinci's shop.
    • An alternative explanation could be the Fou cards are his leftover power that scattered after his Heroic Sacrifice and that we are currently just picking those up.
      • Alternatively, Fou could be building up power again and we now use the cards as a form of maintenance to keep his power from getting out of control.
  • With BB's introduction as a Moon Cancer, it could seem pretty random and forced that she was vulnerable to Rulers, and was mostly just to give Rulers something to be effective against. But if you think about it, it makes perfect sense - Moon Cancers like BB, who derail the normal progress of a Grail War, even a virtual one like the one in the Moon Cell, are the exact kind of being Rulers are meant to stop.
    • As for why Avengers are strong against Rulers? 2 possible reasons: First is Aŋra Mainyu corrupting the grail in Stay Night prevented a Ruler to be summoned and stopping any abnormalities involved with the war. Second is the phrase "What is a king to a god? What is a god to a non-believer?" - As we see with Jeanne D'Arc, most Avengers have given up on God, whereas with the possible exception of Sherlock Holmes (who would normally qualify as a Caster), all playable Rulers believe in the Christian god (or in Quetz's case IS a god).
    • And to finish the triad, Avengers are Heroic Spirits who have given themselves over entirely to rage at the wrongs committed against them in life or legacy. The original Moon Cancer, BB, is an internet Troll, perfectly suited to goading others and using their rage against them.
  • The class affinities make sense when you think about it long enough.
    • Archer beats Saber because of sheer range; having high overall stats doesn't help when your opponent can kill you before you can even see them. Lancers, meanwhile, are fast enough to get in close to Archers without getting hit; most Archers are rather weak in close quarters. However, Sabers tend to have more stamina than Lancers, and would thus tend to win battles of attrition against them.
    • Casters beat Assassins because they likely have access to scrying or other forms of sensory enhancement, and can thus find them even when they don't want to be found. Riders are good against Casters because they can charge in and trample them before they finish their spells. Assassins ambush Riders while they aren't mounted, which is when they're at their weakest.
      • Another way to look at the triangle is this way; Riders beat Casters because the Rider class inherently has Magic Resistance, making it easy for them to plow right into their bases and take them out head on. Casters beating Assassins because most Casters have Territory Creation, allowing them to create Bounded Fields that warn them if intruders are entering, and while some Assassins may bypass it, Casters have enough tools to protect themselves. Assassins beat Riders because Assassins are best at killing the Master, if a Rider charges out to battle, what can the merely Human Master do against an Assassin?
    • Avengers beat Rulers because Rulers are prone to the "forgive and forget" mentality (if Jeanne is any indication), while Avengers are incapable of forgiveness and thus catch them off-guard. Moon Cancers beat Avengers because they trick them into going after someone else. Rulers beat Moon Cancers because they're able to force them to obey the rules.
    • Berserkers are good offensively and terrible defensively because they're BERSERKERS, and thus entirely focused on attacking, leaving themselves wide open to retaliation of any kind.
    • Berserkers are defined by both their madness and how they gave into it for power. Thus, who better to face them than Foreigners, who not only gained power from contacting mind-rending eldritch horrors but overcame the insanity to bring out their full power?
    • Why do Foreigners lose to Alter Egos? Because most Alter Egos are incarnated programs of one sort or another, and are thus able to endure their sanity-eroding powers with minimal psychological damage (plus Super Robot Wars and the like empowering them to fight Eldritch Abominations).
    • Shielders both deal out and receive normal damage from all enemies. Why? Well, shields are fantastic for defense, not so much for offense.
  • Another reason the Class Affinities could be the way they are is because they match up with events in the stories before Grand Order, namely in Stay Night, Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel, Zero, Apocrypha and Extra.
    • The Saber>Lancer>Archer Triangle fits because in the beginning of the Fuyuki Grail War, Shirou summoned Saber who proceeded to fend off Lancer. Lancer, on his end, had a fight with Archer where he was the victor despite letting him live in the end. Archer may be a wonky case, but he did manipulate events so that Saber would lose her contract with Shirou and go with Rin in the Unlimited Blade Works route. Not to mention since he is a future version of Shirou, one could say his connection makes it fitting why Archers trump Sabers.
    • The Rider>Caster>Assassin Triangle fits because in Zero, Rider served as one of the integral parts to taking out Caster as well as destroying his hideaway. Caster trumps Assassin because in the Fuyuki War, Caster managed to summon Assassin and forced him under her thrall. Assassin trumping Rider might seem like the odd one out of the bunch, because in Heaven's Feel, Rider was capable of throwing off True Assassin and in Zero, Rider easily dispatches Assassin in that war too. Perhaps it's the exception that proves the rule?
      • Kuzuki (an assassin) killed Rider in the UBW route.
    • The Avenger>Ruler>Mooncancer Triangle fits because as we know, Avenger's corruption of the Grail in Zero and Stay Night was capable of altering what servants could be summoned, including evil servants who hate humanity like Gilles De Rais. It's plausible that his corruption was capable of overriding the rules that Rulers are meant to preserve. Rulers trump Mooncancers because they're meant to uphold the rules of the Grail War and not allow the system to be messed with. Alongside the fact that they wouldn't tolerate the original Mooncancer BB's actions, one could say the fact that near the end of CCC when BB was being hijacked by Moon Cell, it's trying to implement it's rules over BB's own, hence why Rulers could work over them. Mooncancers trumping Avengers is also a potential odd fit, but it could also be chalked up to how BB was described as "a new Evil of Humanity", akin to what Avengers are. But unlike Avengers, she's capable of causing greater changes than the Avengers are.
      • It's also notable that Rulers take less damage from Saber, Lancer, Archer, Caster, Rider and Assassin, while Berserkers can still deal advantage damage to them. This is fitting because Rulers are meant to contain the Grail Wars and rule over them, though Berserkers prove to be nigh uncontrollable as per normal.
    • Alter Egos deal double damage to Riders, Assassins and Casters, while they deal less damage to Sabers, Archers and Lancers. Why is this? It could be chalked up to how Extra's playable Classes consisted of a Saber (Nero), two Archers (Nameless and Gilgamesh) and Tamamo (Caster), who all beat the Alter Egos Passionlip, Meltryllis and Kiara (who is an Alter Ego in game). Yet Tamamo seems the odd one out...before you consider her ending in CCC involves how she accidentally created eight additional Alter Egos from her tails, with her attempt to seal them failing and them all going after her blood. They also deal double damage to Foreigners, which could fit in how the original Alter Egos were created within Moon Cell. Including Extella into the mix, Moon Cell had dealt with a foreign invader (Sefar, aka Altera) by sealing her away, making the thing that spawns Alter Egos capable of if not killing them, then dealing with them.
    • Foreigners for their part only deal less damage to Alter Egos, but uniquely resist Berserkers. The former is explained above. The latter fits in two possible ways. The first and obvious one is that Berserkers have given into their madness, unlike the Foreigners who control madness or instill it. The other is that the first potential foreign being, Sefar, had created a body on earth and became known as "Atilla the Hun". Most would think he'd fit as a Berserker, but in Fate's lore, "Atilla" is really a foreign being who took a human form. The reason why Foreigners don't affect anything else differently (and others to them) is because they're too alien to grasp by most human conventions.
    • Finally, Shielders don't deal extra damage, nor take any from any of the other classes. This fits because Shielder is a new type of servant, and thus doesn't have any weaknesses nor strengths against others.
  • Gameplay-wise in Salem for those who managed to get the welfare Alter Ego, we have a foe with the power of an Eldritch Abomination best beaten with a walking Super Robot Wars reference. Now, what is the latter franchise in question most famous for again?
  • Certain Original Generation human characters featured in the Craft Essences tend to have very a propos effects, especially if you choose to equip them to their partner Servant in their original series:
    • "Limited/Zero Over" (Shirou) and "Verdant Sound of Destruction" (Illya): Being Buster power-up cards, they are very good choices to use for their servants, Altria and Heracles. This also thematically extends to Rin/Ishtar, whose host is Rin, one of Shirou's main love interests.
    • "Projection" (Shirou), "Formalcraft" (Rin) and "Another Ending" (Female Hakuno): Arts Power-up cards which coincidentally work best for EMIYA (due to his 3-Arts setup). The last one even works really well for the other main Servants from Fate/EXTRA (i.e. Nero and Tamamo)
    • "Imaginary Around" (Sakura) and "Gandr" (Rin): The Quick buff they offer fit very well for Quick-based Servants like Medusa and Cu Chulainn—the former having been Sakura's Servant and the latter having chosen to help Rin during Unlimited Blade Worksnote . Adding to this further would be the Lancer Parvati, (who is coincidentally hosted in Sakura's body) and the Rider Ishtar (using Rin's).
    • "The Imaginary Element" (Sakura): Having her serve as an NP battery for any Servant makes a whole lot of sense when you take into account her role in Heaven's Feel, where her unlimited mana supplies all the darkened Servants she controlled (most notably Saber Alter and Medusa). Using this to fill up Berserker Lancelot's NP bar is also thematically appropriate, what with Kariya's fight precisely about (unsuccessfully) saving her, and the fact that she also used Lancelot's power in Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA☆ILLYA.
    • "Art of the Poisonous Snake" (Kuzuki): A perfect fit for Medea, being a heavily Arts-reliant Caster.
    • "500-Year Obsession" (Zouken): In the unlikely event that any fight with Cursed-Arm Hassan leads with him being taken out, having this slapped on him causes NP seal and curse—a massive inconvenience to your potentially-overpowered enemy (and which can help you stall after losing your main star generator).
    • "Seal Designation Enforcer" and "Paradox Ace Killer" (Bazett): Star generation not being Cu Chulainn's strongest suit (despite his Quick deck), having something ensuring he can land critical hits is a very good idea. For that matter, Aŋra Mainiiu's low star absorption rate is handily addressed by this. The 2nd card, in contrast, is a straight Quick card buff, which they both handily need.
    • "Bitter Black" (Kiritsugu): Despite their horrible rapport in Fate/Zero, Altria never had sustainability and mana issues with Kiritsugu as her master—and this CE helpfully replicates it with its HP recovery and NP gain effects. Similarly, even Assassin EMIYA's own semi-fragility (and need for NP spamming capability) could be addressed by this. Finally, placing this on Dress of Heaven/Irisviel is not entirely a bad idea to keep her spamming her healing NP.
    • "Be Elegant" and "Duke of Flames" (Tokiomi): Star Generation being Gilgamesh's best suit, having Tokiomi's first CE increase this trait fits really well. With the Accel/Zero event, you can even add Cursed-Arm and Hundred-Faced Hassan here. The second CE, by contrast, pumps up the power of a Noble Phantasm—which if used on Gilgamesh guarantees no enemies will be left standing. In addition, nearly every buff given to Gilgamesh also fits either the Archer Ishtar or Parvati—coincidentally hosted by Tokiomi's daughters.
    • "Volumen Hydrargyrum" (Kayneth) and "Innocent Maiden" (Sola-ui): The first CE's damage plus and 3-turn invincibility would help Diarmuid's middling skill-set a lot, allowing him to survive and hit on Cu Chulainn's level on his own. The latter would strengthen his Quick cards and his poor NP gain as well.
    • "His Rightful Place" (Iskandar and Waver): This card is just about tailor-fit to their Servant units, with starting NP and star generation helping them fire their Noble Phantasm.
    • "Holy Night of Learning" and "Beyond the Distance" (Waver): The additional NP generation and strength is a welcome addition to Iskander, who lacks the means to properly fill the NP gauge by himself.
    • "Art of Death" (Ryuunosuke): The increased damage against humanoids compliments both Gilles's skills, which are oriented against Servants, as well as his buster Noble Phantasm.
    • "Before Awakening" and "Iron-Willed Training" (Kirei): These cards buff the power of a Servant's attack cards or increase their defense, respectively. Kirei's Servants for most of his life (Hundred-Faced Hassan, Gilgamesh and Cu Chulainn) would benefit well from such buffs, considering their lower-end attack stat, or make them even more overwhelming in the case of Gilgamesh.
    • "Awakened Will" (Kariya): His CE's benefits are not entirely great (what with the health demerit), but he does help in loading the NP gauge of his Servant. Placing it on Lancelot (while probably not a good idea in-game) definitely mirrors how Lancelot ate up Kariya's mana too much and killed him—leading to his Servant's defeat against Saber.
    • "Heaven's Feel", "Angel's Song" and "The Black Grail" (Irisviel) : Adding more firepower to a Noble Phantasm is of great benefit to servants like Artoria, Ilya, Chloe and Kiritsugu.
    • "Covering Fire" (Maiya), "Freelancer" (Natalia) and "Bygone Dreams (Shirley)": The damage plus effect and critical strength (Maiya), Quick cards + crit buff (Natalia) or NP buff (Shirley) effect would serve an Assassin with a relatively low-end attack stat—like, say, Kiritsugu himself.
    • "Victor of the Moon" (Male Hakuno): It is actually very helpful to equip this on either EMIYA or Gilgamesh—especially as their damage output relies on their Buster Noble Phantasms and the critical stars they will use.
    • "Victor's Complacency" (EXTRA!Shinji Matou): Despite the usual lackluster stats of any CE with Shinji in it, it does increase critical star generation, which is the specialty of Francis Drake.
    • "Knight's Pride" (Dan Blackmore): The critical buff would help Robin Hood to fill Arts-based NP gauge easier, especially considering his 3*-level stats.
    • Rhythmic Verse (Alice): NP generation and NP level overcharge is a best fit for Alice, especially considering her usual function for wave-clearing and crit-based damage.
    • "Ideal Holy King" and "Twilight Holy King" (Leonard Harway): Between max HP increase (1st) or Buster card buff (2nd), either actually works for his canon Servant, Gawain, whose gameplay does require increasing the damage of his triple-Buster deck or making sure he lasts long enough in battle.
    • "Sweeper" (Julius Harway): Providing Arts and critical buffs, this could aid either version of Li Shuwen (Lancer/Assassin), who would require such to follow up their single-target NPs.
    • "La Folia" (Lil' Ronnie): With Buster card buffs and increasing heal rates, it is tailor-fit for EXTRA!Vlad's skills and card layout.
    • "The Infant of Atlas" and "Tsukimihara Student Council" (Rani): It makes perfect sense to provide ignoring defense and attack buffs against Berserkers (1st) or provide Buster/Arts buffs (2nd), especially for the master of Lu Bu. Coincidentally, they also help Chen Gong (should he be used as the main wave clearer of the team).
    • "Room Guarder" (Jinako): One potential concern with Karna would be his inability to attract the critical stars he needs (especially if he is with other Servants with higher gather rates). This one handily plugs it. Not surprisingly, Ganesha/Jinako's own skillset can be helped by it, especially considering she has no way of making her own stars.
    • "Necromancy" and "Heading towards Trifas" (Kairi). A fixed chance of Guts can be useful for servants like Mordred, who lack any means of evasion or invincibility and/or have low-rates of NP charging.
    • "Vessel of the Saint" (Laeticia). The debuff ignoring ability synergises with Jeanne's main drawback in using her Noble Phantasm, moreso if it's required to use it in succession.
    • "Golden Millennium Tree" and "Dawn of an Ambition" (Darnic). The first card's biggest effect would be to add up to max HP to the equipped unit. This responds to one big problem any Berserker has (like, say, Apocrypha Vlad) in this game—an HP pool not large enough to compensate for their relative fragility. The second card is an outright Arts card buff, which Vlad's loadout is directly based on.
    • "The Final Narrator" (Caules). Frankenstein's biggest gameplay problems would be NP generation and damage power (at least compared to her class-mates). This CE's effects handily plugs most of these issues, ideally making her more viable in combat.
    • "Basking Under The Sunlight" (Fiore). This card provides evasion and damage cut—which, coupled with Chiron's own evasion and defense skills, can help in making him harder to kill and lasting longer.
    • "Light of Intellect" (Roche): While definitely plainer (and easily-superseded) compared to the other ones here, Roche's CE helps in buffing Arts cards and increasing NP gain, something nearly any Caster (like his own Servant, Avicebron) would prefer having.
    • "Gentle Affection" (Reika). The enhanced effect of healing makes Jack's Surgery skill more effective and, if used on her, increases her survivability, which is vital for the members of the squishy Assassin class.
    • "Mystic Eyes of Distortion" (Fujino): While it definitely looks redundant, equipping this very CE on Fujino's Servant unit still does increases her damage output, and the defense demerit also reinforces her Glass Cannon attributes (as potentially counterproductive that is).
    • "Grand Puppeteer" (Touko) and "Mature Gentlemen" (Mikiya): These two CEs are just about tailor-fit for both versions of Shiki (Assassin and Saber), giving them either Arts cards buffs or death resistance—both of which protect them and help their damage output.
  • The boss fights with Saber Empíreo in Shimosa, Sigurd in Götterdämmerung, and Surtr are male Sabers, but they all have charm immunity. They are not only resistant being charmed by the opposite gender lore wise, it also prevents the infamous double Euryale and Stheno strategy that involves charm locking a male Saber or Berserker opponent to death (particularly in the case of Saber Empireo and Surtr boss fights where the player is forced to bring a fixed support Servant into the battle). Not that it matters anyways since bringing Euryale is always a good idea for the Noble Phantasm damage against male Sabers.
  • Olympus is, by far, considered to be the hardest of the Lostbelts but it completely makes sense if you look at it closely. You're up against Kirschtaria, The Leader of Team A and someone who averts Underestimating Badassery when it comes to facing the protagonist (as shown when he sends an entire fleet and Caenis to intercept the protagonist while having Artemis ready to shoot them down from the orbit). Of course it would be hard as Kirschtaria is basically pulling all stops to defeat the player.
  • Kirschtaria's attacks in the game are identical to those used by the Phantasy Trees. If you recall his magecraft is the same as the Animusphere Families who focus on astronomy and space which is where the Phantasy Trees came from. When the Alien God descends it adds even more context.
  • The Mystic Codes you get all have fitting powers for what they are supposed to represent.
    • The default Mystic code, Chaldea, provides an attack buff, one turn of evasion, and a basic heal. Its Boring, but Practical, just like a basic uniform for any of the potential recruits Chaldea would have used would give out. No matter how skilled you are as a Magus, its something anyone can use with ease.
    • Chaldea Combat Uniform gives a party wide attack, a stun, and allows you to swap one Servant with another. All of these are abilities that fit a battle focused Mystic Code and would naturally fit for any time Chaldea is expecting an intense battle.
    • Mage's Association Uniform gives healing to the whole party, charges a Servants NP, and shuffles the users deck. As the Mage Association is one of the primary sources of magic, its abilities all line up with the ideas of researching and higher magic usage and providing support.
    • Atlas Academy Uniform gives one Servant a one turn use invincibility, debuff cleanser, and reduces a single Servants cooldown by two. It also has one of the longest cooldowns for any Mystic Codes. As one of the most esteem parts of the Magus society, it naturally would have the most powerful effects that have the highest cost since its more elite.
    • Anniversary Blonde gives one Servant a Mana Burst buff, critical stars, and a one turn guts. Its all abilities that fit perfectly for Altria, the original wearer of the outfit.
    • Royal Brand gives one Servant a Quick card buff, sure-hit, and extra crit star absorption. All of these fit an Assassin, the class most likely to be a Combat Pragmatist, just like Kiritsugu.
    • Memoria of Lunar Mare gives one Servant a Arts buff, increase crit star generation, and a buff block debuff on the enemy. All three of the playable Extra Servants are Arts focused Servants, but the other two abilities match Mystic Codes you can use in Extra to stop the enemy, such as stunning the enemy to stop them from using a buff or attacking.
    • Memoria of the Far Side of the Moon gives a party wide Arts buff, debuff protection, and reduces the enemies NP charge. Like with the previous one, they all fit as abilities you can use in CCC.
    • Fragment of Year 2004 gives an NP damage buff, Buster card crit absorb, and increase NP generation. All three of these fit for both Altria and Emiya, the Servants of Shirou and Rin, two students from the school the uniform is from.
    • Arctic Region Chaldea Uniform has the same basic abilities as the default Chaldea uniform, except with additional effects. Its designed to be focused on battle, as with how desperate Chaldea was to defeat the Crypters, they needed to take the offense now.

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  • Sabers:
    • Void Shiki is in a league of her own and is one of the strongest beings in the Nasuverse (other than Servants). But she isn't effective for fighting Servants since she's in a human body. Just like her Assassin counterpart, her gameplay stats fit with the statement that she can only fight defensively against Servants: she's a Saber-class Servant, which is almost always guaranteed to have solid in-universe statistics, and she has very high HP but rather low ATK for the standards of a 5* Servant.
    • Mordred's third ascension may look like WTH, Costuming Department? at first glance, but going by how Servants trust their Master as their Bond and Ascension levels rise, it indicates that Mordred has become more comfortable in her Master's service that she feels free to be herself. She was also your ally in London, so that may have something to do with her outfit change (also her Summer version) as well.
    • Why is Proto Arthur's Excalibur so underwhelming compared to it's finished counterpart despite it's Super Prototype status? In gameplay, the damage modifier is a paltry 300% compared to Altria's 400% and Saber Alter's 450% at Level 1. The reason is because if you hear closely, only 6 out of 13 seals were unlocked meaning that it just got through the bare minimum requirements just to be able to do it's trademark Sword Beam. Not only that, Altria's 400% multiplier was due to her Interlude quest where she has to get rid of the 13 seals to tap into more of Excalibur's power more freely. Now what was her damage multiplier before the Interlude again? 300%.
      • Also, if Arthur undoes 7 seals, Excalibur can defeat an Anti-World Noble Phantasm, as seen in Fate/Prototype OVA.
    • It makes sense that Musashi would panic about falling in love with the main character, considering that the person she's based on never married or had a romantic/sexual relationship of any sort.
    • Why is Sigurd considered a much better servant in gameplay while Siegfried was primarily focused towards Dragon Slaying and required boosts later on? Siegfried's legend was a variation based off of Sigurd and came after the latter and in Nasuverse the older something is the more strength it gains.
    • Jason was the Arc Villain of the Okeanos chapter, and most of the player's allies in that chapter are part of the Archer class. Thanks to his plans ultimately failing thanks in large part to the efforts of said archers, it's only natural that he is in the class that archers have an advantage against.
  • Archers:
    • Two particular Servants' personalities are different from their portrayals in the original work:
      • EMIYA being his Lighter and Softer personality since he isn't burdened by his Counter Guardian duties in this work and it's consistent with his portrayals in Fate/Extra (where he is not a Counter Guardian with an eternal contract to Alaya, just a nameless hero with a contract to the Moon Cell). Thus he mainly acts like his young self, Shirou. This also explains why Altria is kind of attracted to him.
      • Gil also is not as jerkish as his Fate/stay night and Fate/Zero portrayals because humanity is at stake. This is because in his lore (from Fate/Extra CCC, at least), Gil considers humans his property and thus cannot abandon them. He actually loves humanity.
    • David's hair being green originally struck me as "Fate failed the lore again", since the Bible spells out that he's a Red-Headed Hero ("he was ruddy, a youth handsome to behold"). King Solomon's human incarnation is the red-headed Doctor Roman. So... did Fate fail the lore again, or did they dodge a massive Hair Color Spoiler by only pretending to fail the lore again? note 
    • Many players found EMIYA to be extremely lackluster for a 4-Star Servant and a favorite among long-time Type-Moon fans. He was considered weak for his rank, his skills were not the best, his animations were lacking, and Unlimited Blade Works did abysmal damage, requiring the player to use unconventional tactics to maximize his efficiency and perform several quests to upgrade his skills and Noble Phantasm, as well as needing buffs in later updates. However, this makes total sense when you take his origins into consideration. In life, Shirou/EMIYA was a third-rate magus and only became such a badass from years of training and improving the skills he already had and developing a very unconventional fighting style. The player's struggles to make him viable are a reflection of this.
      • It should also be noted that Unlimited Blade Works is mainly used by players for generating Crit Stars rather than for raw damage. Then, you realize that the Reality Marble has always been a setup rather than an attack in and of itself (such as when Shirou uses it to counter Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon). With Unlimited Blade Works up even for a moment, Archer's damage output rises significantly.
      • This could also explain why Kuro is so much more effective as a Servant than EMIYA, despite her powers being derived from him. Unlike her alternate dimension older brother, Kuro had EMIYA's skills from his peak installed(pun not intended) into her very being since she was given a body thanks to the Archer EMIYA Class Card. EMIYA's max potential is something she was gifted with at "birth" as opposed to through years of training.
    • Artemis comes of as really odd for her legend namely The Ditz personality she has but that's the thing: she isn't an airhead bimbo despite her body type, she is a child which makes a lot of sense because she is a goddess of childhood, her personality is like that of a spoiled princess, which if you have read her legend you know she kind of is, when she first met her father Zeus she asked for a bunch of things just like any little girl would to her father. it also explains how Apollo got her to shoot Orion, he likely did a simple Sibling Rivalry trick, bet you cant hit that rock and she didn't even think about besides proving her stupid brother wrong.
    • Swimsuit Altria uses an Arts Noble Phantasm rather than her standard Buster because she's on vacation, and is thus doing all she can to get away from the Troll that is Merlin. Having an incompatible Noble Phantasm means that Masters have less reason to put them in the same team, so she can actually relax rather than deal with reining in such an infuriating advisor.
    • Chrion being Four Star rarity seems odd when you consider he's arguably the most famous Centaur in mythology, and trained many great heroes like Heracles and Achillies. However, given how famous all of his students became, and how they essentially became heroes known forever in history and culture, it makes sense why Chiron would be beyond several of them in rarity; he's Overshadowed by Awesome by his students (which he himself is happy with).
  • Lancers:
    • Why are the breastplates used by Altria Lancer and her Alter counterpart sloped? Two reasons: It gives them room to breathe while avoiding the structural weakness of a Breast Plate, and will more easily deflect blows when they're charging the enemy on horseback.
    • Leonidas isn't one of the characters that Penthesilea gets bonus damage against. Aside from the obvious one, him being based purely in history, there's one other reason: his claim to fame is defending against a Persian invasion - much like how Penthesilea was defending against a Greek invasion of Troy; she'd probably see that they are Not So Different.
      • Furthermore, most of the Greek heroes she gets bonus damage against were ones that she has either encountered, or ones that were so influential that they would effectively go down as more then just a man. Leonidas was a Badass Normal king who lived roughly around six hundred years after her, meaning she wouldn't have any reason to have beef with him. Leonidas didn't do anything to her nor was he involved in any of affairs related to those she can deal extra damage to.
      • Penth's Berserk Button is being considered a woman first and a warrior second. Leonidas is from a culture where young girls and women were trained to fight as much as the men were. He would care more about strength than gender anyway!
    • Brynhildr's voice lines in which she loves people who remind her of Sigurd two of the most notable ones are Siegfried and Archer EMIYA. The former is understandable because he came from a variation of Sigurd's original myth. The latter makes more sense when you consider that Archer EMIYA and Sigurd are blacksmiths who create swords, use magic, and are tragic heroes.
    • Ereshkigal's Noble Phantasm replicates the conditions of Kur in the area, which manifests as a massive sinkhole that drops the entire battlefield into her domain. The animation for this sometimes includes the First Hassan as a cameo. Since this is basically how you deal with Tiamat, and the cameo was with you at the time, this rather strongly implies that you, the player, were personally involved in the creation of her Noble Phantasm (especially since the summoned Ereshkigal is explicitly the same one you met in Babylonia).
    • As Valkyrie raises through Ascension levels their hair get's longer and their spear more detailed. Now take a look at Brynhildr, the eldest of the Valkyries and whom the rest were modeled after, who has full on Rapunzel Hair and an incredibly intricate spear. Each successive Valkyrie is more powerful because they're closer in design to Brynhildr. Case in point, Thrúd, the strongest of the three normal Valkyries, has the longest hair among them, a spear whose design is evocative of Brynhildr's, and even has a sash draped behind her similar to the one Brynhildr gains in her third Ascension.
  • Riders:
    • For those who were repulsed by Blackbeard's behaviour and characterization, this post might actually provide insight as to why he is like that.
      • In addition, Blackbeard being a lolicon can be considered historically valid. His wife, Mary Ormond, was 16 years old when she married him.
    • Why does Red Hare need a lot of Magical Cerebrospinal Fluid for his ascensions and skills? Because from a distance, they look a lot like carrots.
    • Like Swimsuit Altria with Arts, Maid Alter uses a Quick NP in order to get away from Merlin. No matter her form, Altria needs a break from Merlin.
  • Casters:
    • Why is Mozart only a 1-star Servant? Because he wrote a canon about a place where the stars don't shine.
    • The story support Da Vinci has Chaldea in her background art because she stayed there for several years and it's like a home for her, whereas the one you summon is directly from the Throne so she's not too familiar with Chaldea to the point where she'd call it a home and thus doesn't have Chaldea as her background.
    • Caster Gil is 4 star rarity while Archer Gil is 5 star rarity. This seems like a weird switch, but Caster Gil is explicitly stated to be not that powerful of a Mage, and relies on his naturally high power to boost his skills as a Servant. Gil as an Archer however, is naturally suited to the role because he can use Gate of Babylon freely, without a need to worry about his lack of combat skills compared to other Servants. Furthermore, its stated that Caster Gil basically is using a weaker Gate of Babylon because he needed to use it to defend Uruk, so naturally his skills as a Caster are weaker because he himself is weaker. His Archer self doesn't have this weakness.
    • While Hans Christian Anderson and Nursery Rhyme may not get along, Hans is actually a great support for her on critical hit based teams. While itself a nice bit of Irony, it makes sense in two ways:
      • It's an author playing support to a book, and a book is only as good as the work it's author puts into it.
      • Hans was specifically an author of children's literature, so a good chunk of the stories Nursery Rhyme is composed of came from Hans, which means he knows what he's working with when playing her support.
  • Assassins:
    • Shiki being able to fit in the Assassin class is surprisingly congruent with the infamous answer to the oft-asked question about whether or not she can kill Servants. The Word of God answer amounts to: while she can see their lines of death, she isn't strong enough that she can maintain a head-on fight against them and actually cut the lines. Assassin-class Servants are also notable for being unable to fight Knight-class Servants head-on, so they instead rely on tricks and pragmatism to be able to kill them. With both of those in mind, Shiki as an Assassin when compared to other classes is very fitting; her combination of a low ATK but a specialization in inflicting a One-Hit Kill Noble Phantasm also reinforces this.
    • Shuten-douji is portrayed as a scantily-clad woman with slurry, alluring voice. That is very consistent with her legends, where she charms young men to her lair... to make them drunk senseless and then eat them. Also, this explains Kintoki's weakness against women in revealing clothes, because his ex-girlfriend is a woman in revealing clothes, herself. He won't be allured again!
    • Why does Li Shuwen use three strikes for his NP when fighting against the party in SIN when his playable version just has the one? This one's from an Alternate Timeline where the emperor and their needs are prioritized above everything else, especially with the several centuries of indoctrination of the emperor's teachings. Of course, he doesn't care about how many hits he does when the entire nation and emperor's well-being is at stake!
    • While not officially classified as such, Carmilla is essentially Elizabeth Alter. She's Liz who had been dominated by her darkest impulses, has gold eyes and pale hair, and hates her other self.
    • Historically, Mata Hari was extremely flat-chested... and had an inferiority complex about it. The voluptuous version of her in Grand Order could be seen as either padding her top generously or as magical self-modification, either of which makes sense.
    • Kojirou has always been a weird Servant, not technically "existing" due to the historical character being fictitious. However, this may be changing. In Camelot, it was revealed through Bedivere's unique situation that while the events in a Singularity or similar event may be lost to the true timeline, the Throne of Heroes remembers and may even enter new Heroes and aspects of those heroes should they be of proper magnitude, such as Jason gaining a perpetual disdain for the player just from the events of Oceanus. Now, Kojirou - whether he started as a wraith Servant or not - has not only appeared in more seasonal events than most, but has also become the renowned champion of the Roman Colosseum (via his Interlude) and even appeared as an alternate version in Shimosa (the same location that the Musashi we know entered the Throne of Heroes). Kojirou, whether he realizes it or not, may be just as much a True Servant as anyone else at Chaldea if only because of the events at Chaldea.
    • In Yu's Interlude she is shown to be incompetent at using Servants with them being weak when she tries. However if you consider her nature it makes sense, she is a Zhenren modeled after The True Ancestors which created the Dead Apostles. Dead Apostles are considered an Antithesis to Heroic Spirits which leads to different timelines of dominance and her nature inadvertently rejects their existence.
    • Mysterious Heroine X has two potential reasons for her Quick NP:
      • She's trying to dissociate herself from the other Saberfaces; the original prefers Buster, while Nero usually uses Arts, which just leaves Quick for her.
      • She wasn't raised by Merlin, and thus has no reason to have an NP that he can support.
    • Cursed Arm Hassan is the lowest rarity of the Hassan characters, despite being gameplay wise arguably the best that isn't First Hassan. His time as the Old Man in the Mountain was stated to be the most forgettable one of them all, naturally his fame and status is beyond all the others, reflecting his status as a measly one-star despite being gameplay wise good.
  • Berserkers:
    • Despite many upgrades and his Saber version using Arondight as his Noble Phantasm, Berserker!Lancelot still uses an M71 Vulcan in his NP attack. This is because the Noble Phantasms of a Servant are dictated not only by the weapons and deeds they did in life, but also by the legends, stories and even mistakes and mistaken associations that sprang up around their original myth. The more famous the story, the greater the influence on the Servant. Now, isn't there a famous story about Lancelot using a machine gun? This actually piles up in his animation update: no way would the fighter jet be part of his Noble Phantasm if it hadn't contributed enough to his legend as well.
      • If you remember that Quetzalcoatl's love for Lucha Libre surpassed time space and imprinted itself on the Throne then it makes perfect sense on why Berserker Lancelot has guns and a jet. He must've really loved those things even when insane!
    • Just before the arrival of Lostbelt #4: Yuga Kshetra, Minamoto no Raiko gained a skill enhancement that further empowered her already impressive-set, which caused no small amount of surprise/comment. Gameplay-wise, her buffing is justified with the arrival of Arjuna Alter, who is nearly-superior to her in execution and survivability. While the meta-game explanation is pretty clear, it also works on an in-story sense: remember, Raiko and Arjuna are technically half-siblings, being borne of equivalent deities (Gozu-Tenno and Indra). It should definitely make sense that they are near-equal in power and performance.
    • MHX Alter, while not particularly trying to distinguish herself from other Saberfaces, uses a Quick NP both because she's an Alter of Mysterious Heroine X and because, like her, she wasn't raised by Merlin and thus can't synergize with him in battle properly.
  • Extra Classes:
    • Avenger of Shinjuku can only manifest as a proper Servant when Lobo and the Hessian work together, as they are only able to reach the level of an Urban Legend otherwise. This makes sense, given that even in The Legend of Sleepy Hollow, it was hinted that the Headless Horseman wasn't real.
    • Mash having the Riding Trait might seem a bit odd - she's a Stone Wall, so she doesn't have much use for crit stars, her deck only has 1 quick card, and her Noble Phantasm, on top of not being a damage-dealing one, is an Arts card. What's one common trait of the Knights of the Round Table in F/GO? They all have the Riding Trait.
      • Mash has another clue as to her true identity from early on. Mash's shield is capable of holding the Grail and bringing it back to Chaldeas. There are two main Knights of the Round Table who are considered "The Grail Knight" - originally, it was Percival, but later stories introduced the pure and perfect Galahad as the Grail Knight.
    • XX going after Foreigners makes a lot more sense when considering her hatred of octopi and that all Foreigners (and BB) currently are plugged into Outer Gods with octopi appendages, so she's just going after another of her pet peeves. In addition, her hatred stems from Gilles summoning several Cthulhu related entities in Fate/Zero, giving her another reason to go after Foreigners!
    • One common complaint of anyone who uses Angra Mainyu is how hard it is to get his Interlude in order to make him plausibly useful: namely that his occurs at Bond 10 which is also when he gives you a useful Craft Essence that makes him powerful against Beasts, beings he'd supposedly support. He also notably requires greater levels of bond points before he reaches new bond levels for his two star stat line, having the same amount as a four star servant instead. But consider this: He's Angra Mainyu, a man who was forced to take on the sins of mankind through ritualistic torture, cursed by his once fellow friends and family until he outlived them and died of old age. Of course it takes greater levels of bond for him trust you, he's still dealing with those mental scars and it takes loads of time and effort before he comes to realize you won't betray or hurt him like other humans have.
    • Voyager being a Foreigner was a rather odd choice of class given that other members of the class were all Eldritch Abomination who’s mere existence could shatter the minds of those who see them. By then again, much of H.P. Lovecrafts work involved the unknown and the fear of the unknown, particularly the ocean. And what’s the something Mankind doesn’t know about yet? The Deep Ocean and Space, because despite how much we know about the stars and how they work, the existence of other planets that could support life, there is still much we do not know, things that would make people afraid. Especially back when Voyager was first sent into space.
    • The extent to which Jeanne Alter becomes a lot less villainous as a summonable servant can seem a bit odd if examined closely. Her antagonizing her master and fellow servants actually just consists of childish, relatively harmless pranks, and even during the Da Vinci event, where she still hasn't yet joined Chaldea, her "evil plan" was just gathering people to love her one way or another. A far cry from the outright cruelty she displays as the Dragon Witch. Well, Jeanne's third Interlude reveals that the one hidden facet of her character that Jeanne Alter was able to find and connect herself to in order to stabilize her own existence as a "what-if" variant of Jeanne was her deeply buried wish to be saved from being burned at the stake. So at her core, she is not "the Jeanne who wished for vengeance" but rather "the Jeanne who wished she was saved", which is a much softer origin.
      • Even though her primary class is Avenger, that's actually from her own indignation at the humiliating experience she underwent at the hands of Santa Alter, making her motivations as an Avenger much more laughably petty.
    • While it's normal in most games for characters to have odd hairstyles and colors, Edmond Dantes seems abit weird. He's young, and yet his hair is stark white. Normally hair follicles turn white with old age or extreme amounts of stress, because the pigments gradually die out either way. However, it's quite fitting in the latter portion and it's even a case of Shown Their Work. Dantes suffered in the Chateau d'If for 14 years, and in the book, he made one of the people who sent him there suffer the same level of imprisonment as he did, which turned their hair white! It would be fitting for Dantes for his hair to be this color to mirror what happened to him!
  • General/Other:
    • Everything we've seen and been told about Fou's character makes sense once his true nature comes to light. He is called a "Beast of Comparison". He was raised by Merlin, so he naturally reflects off of his master, gaining a similarly fussy personality (as well as a few Covert Pervert tendencies gained from prolonged exposure to a half-incubus). The reason he and Merlin tend to argue is because, as Shirou and Archer have proven, Other Me Annoys Me quite often (another way in which "Comparison" comes to light). Conversely, if he were raised by Altrouge Brunestud, he would gain a more spiteful view of humanity and grow into Primate Murder rather than Cath Palug.
    • The Limited/Zero Over craft essence has "Convergence is the proof of the ideal. As if forging a sword, as if burning up your own life, you will continue to strike steel."' Guess what happens in the climax of the Shimosa sub-singularity: Sengo Muramasa — a pseudo-Servant in Shirou's body as depicted in Limited/Zero Over — burns up his life force to forge the Sword of Totsuka.
    • Sengo Muramasa raises the possibility that Shirou could be a descendant of his, this leads to the question of why would the Muramasa clan move to Fuyuki, this however makes sense with what happened after the Sengoku Jidai: Once the Tokugawa Shogunate was established, they began to hunt down their enemies and perceived threats across Japan, amongst their targets were the clans that opposed them and the Japanese Christians, who were thought to be in league with the European powers; it would make sense for the members of the Muramasa clan to seek protection from the Tohsaka as both were in the same situation of persecution and thus were allowed to live in Fuyuki, probably becoming Christians themselves in the long run.
      • If their relation is confirmed, this would also make Shinji a Foil of Shirou on another level: The former's family came from a prestigious background in the Magus world and was one of the founding members of the Holy Grail War; however, the land of Fuyuki rejected the Makiri and sent their clan to magical decline, ending in their latest heir being born without magic circuits. In contrast, the Muramasa were likely outlaws by the time they arrived to Fuyuki, on the run from the Tokugawa's persecution of Christians and political enemies alike; yet it was from this family that Shirou would be born as a first generation magus, something uncommon in the world of lineages that is the magus world.
    • In one particular dialogue, Archer EMIYA notes that he has a weakness for Gold Archers and Blue Lancers, and suggests that the player keep them away from his team. While he is technically referring to Gilgamesh and Cu Chulainn, Ishtar and Parvati can also count as a "gold archer" and "blue lancer". Ishtar was summoned into the body of Rin, and Parvati into the body of Sakura, both of whom were two of Emiya's love interests in his former life. In other words, he is weak towards the two women he cared for in his previous life.
      • Muramasa, Ishtar and Parvati's place in the Class triangle (as Saber, Archer and Lancer respectively) makes quite sense if you know the source material: Sakura was Rin's Morality Chain for a long time, being the ultimate reason for why she revived Shirou with her supercharged pendant at the start of Fate/Stay Night; Shirou, on the other hand, was Sakura's Living Emotional Crutch, something exploited by Zouken in "Heaven's Feel"; finally, Shirou tends to follow Rin's lead and admired her before the story begins while falling for her in Unlimited Blade Works, not to mention that he was a servant of her in all the routes.
    • Considering that Tesla and Edison were famous rivals in real life, it might seem odd that the two aren't part of the same triangle - that is, of course, until you realize that the two developed competing electrical currents, AC and DC. Since each one has advantages the other doesn't, it makes sense that the classes each one is reflect this - thus, neither has a class advantage over the other.
      • Furthermore, the reason why Edison and Tesla are in their respective classes is reflective of their approach to electricity: Edison was quite the business man and is the one who managed to make the light bulb profitable to sell and easy to mass produce, which fits with the Caster's ability of Item Construction; meanwhile, Tesla became infamous for his Death Ray, which would allow him the qualify for the Archer class.
    • The Alters and rarity:
      • Altria's Saber and Lancer alts are both Five Star rarity Servants, while the Alter variants are Four Star rarity despite being considered better gameplay wise. Excluding seasonal alts which are almost always Five Star rarity, due to the nature of the Alter form this makes sense: the Alter form is a perversion of the Heroic Spirits original being by essentially causing them to change alignments, even if they still have the same beliefs overall. Their essentially a Evil Knockoff of the original Heroic Spirit that normally shouldn't exist, meaning that they are a lower rarity because they are a "less pure" variation of the Heroic Spirit summoned.
      • Cu Alter and Jeanne Alter are both Five Stars, with Cu's alts all being Three Stars and Jeanne's being also Five Star. As both Orleans and America show us, both of these Servants are not natural, they were created by someone else (Giles and Medb) wishing for their own version of the person. They are high rarity because they are technically beings not supposed to exist, and so are indeed rare to find.
      • Emiya Alter is the same rarity as his normal form, a Four Star Servant. As the CCC event shows us though, Emiya Alter is implied to be a version of Emiya who is from the Fate/EXTRA setting, and became changed by what he did there. He is a twisted form of Emiya, but he's an Emiya from a different universe, not the same as ours.
      • Atalante Alter's form is created by using Agrius Metamorphosis to become a Berserker class Servant. Unlike the others, she is essentially turning into another class through a Noble Phantasm, so she isn't a separate being from the regular Atalante in terms of her Alter form. Furthermore, her Alter title is more of a title since in Fate/Apocrypha, she was essentially in a powered up form instead.
  • When one initially faces Tiamat in her "Femme Fatale" form, she does no attacks and only serves as a debuffer to both her Lahmus and your party. It's commonly theorized that she was holding herself back from actually murdering everyone, but how was she able to do that? Simple, she's the Beast of Regression. It's within her nature to try and turn things back to how they were and she's no exception. Therefore, Tiamat has the ability to keep herself within the form where she loves humanity. Until you kill that form to make her conceivably killable.
    Story-Specific 
  • The Fake Richard I who led the False Crusaders at Jerusalem is said to be "monstrously strong" even if his enemies are the Knights of the Round Table. This apparently stems from his (as for now) small display of abilities in Fate/strange fake with his 2 powerful Noble Phantasms and the fact that he, Saladin, and a Hassan fought a Dead Apostle in the Third Crusade. It was said that fake Richard is so different from the real Richard... but we can guess what happened if Richard had forgone his royal, knightly manners.
  • The 'Camelot' we see isn't the real Camelot, it's essentially just a magical replica. In other words, it's only a model!
    • It gets even better with Mash's Noble Phantasm for Cosmos in the Lostbelt as she has to use a simulation of it, and it's literally called Model Camelot.
  • A little bit of delayed Fridge Horror with this too, but with the revelation that Dr. Roman is actually Solomon, who was originally summoned in the 5th Grail War and is generally a great guy, a lot of Roman's previous actions in the previous Singularities, notably his breakdown after London, come in a very different light.
  • Ishtar shrinking at the gates to the Underworld was a good way to censor the myth where she has to strip her clothes off. However, in English translations, it becomes a rather clever Stealth Pun. Ishtar must belittle or diminish herself, since both of those words can be read as either "to shame (someone)" or "to reduce in size". Lucky Translation?
  • After the Babylonia chapter, Gil's dismissiveness of Angra Mainyu in Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night makes much more sense. Angra Mainyu is just a "knockoff" of Tiamat... and we all know what Gil thinks about fakes and imitations. No wonder he assumed it couldn't affect him!
  • When Gorgon told Mash and Gudao to leave, Mash told Gudao: "But Gorgon is A-" (Avenger or Ana). Fast forward to the anime where Ana's voice was used with Gordon's, and Mash may have felt Ana was pretending not to be there. Gudao stopped her though.
  • While it is likely a coincidence, this post says that the order of the Demon Pillars killed in the NA version of the Solomon raid actually makes sense in a story perspective aside from obvious greed.
    • Barbatos being the first to go is due to being the Control Tower aka the command centre. Crush it first and the rest of the pillars will fall into disarray.
    • Secondly, Flauros is next to fall. Being the information hub, the lack of information will result in them being unable to analyse and form a counter-attack.
    • Thirdly, Forneas is the observatory. The Masters can no longer be tracked.
    • Fourth, Sabnock's defeat will weaken the remaining pillars regenerative properties as it was the hospital.
    • Last to fall will be Halphas and Amon. At this point, the armoury (Halphas) is as good as useless due to the lack of intelligence while Amon ability to infer requires the Observatory Forneas which was destroyed earlier.
    • Another post, which will be linked when it can be located, contains a brief lecture on the Ars Goetia and the role correspondence of Fate's named Demon Pillars to their original counterparts, whether straight (Barbatos is keeper of treasures) or ironic (Zepar advises lovers).
  • Continuing from the above, the Demon Pillars make sense in the form of what time periods they appear within according to their descriptions in the Ars Goetia. Still in progress, feel free to add your ideas.
    • In the Eternal Madness Empire: Septem, we face Flauros. Flauros is a demon who gives true answers of all things past, present and future, and who gladly speaks of divinity, creation of the world, other fallen angels and himself, and who also commands fire to burn his foes. However, unless compelled to stand within a circle, he will lie and betray his summoner. As most people know, Lev Lainur was really Flauros in disguise. He betrayed essentially all of Chaldea, causing the firey explosion that killed most of the Masters and seeks to cause the incineration of humanity. Furthermore, he does give true answers on the Pillars plans. The period we fight him in is also fitting, as Septem is focused on the time of Nero's rule over Rome, in which one of the biggest things that occurred was the Great Fire of Rome.
    • In The Sealed Ends of the Four Seas: Okeanos, we face Forneus. He focuses on giving men a good name, and makes them be loved by their friends and foes, and it's also depicted as a giant sea monster. During the chapter, Jason is focused on becoming a God and developing an empire, a feat that Medea Lily leads him on with. And of course, a demon depicted as a sea monster is fitting as a boss for the sea based chapter.
    • In the City of Demonic Fog: London, we face Barbatos. Barbatos is said to give voice to animals, give good counsel to friends and kings, speak true of past and future, and lead men to hidden treasures. It's within this singularity that we learn that Solomon is the main threat (who is really Goetia hijacking Solomon's body, the original Solomon being your good ol' friend Romani), which fits Barbatos connections to friends and Kings. His connection to treasures also befits how he was popular as a raid boss due to dropping loads of materials.
    • In the North American Myth War: E Plurubus Unum, we face Halphas. Also known as Malthus, Malthas, or Maltous, he is said to speak with a rough voice, and specializes in producing weapons for war and creating soldiers. The entirety of the Singularity was essentially an eternal war between Medb and Edison who were birthing and manufacturing warriors to fight eternally.
    • In the Divine Realm of the Round Table: Camelot, we face Amon. Though he doesn't seem to fit at first given the description of him in the Ars Goetia, it bears mention that Ramesses fuses himself to the pillar for a time to turn it into Amun-Ra, what Amon was originally named after in the Ars Goetia. The Egyptians viewed Amon as their supreme god, and as it just so happens, he gets hijacked by a Pharaoh.
      • In the case of the sub-singularities, the relationship is to a villainous servant, not the time period:
      • In the Quarantined Territory of Malice: Shinjuku, we face Baal. Baal isn't related to the time, but he is mentioned as having many shapes he can appear as. Kind of like Assassin of Shinjuku. Furthermore, he is associated with the sciences and garnering favor, which befits Moriarity's plan in Shinjuku.
      • In the second Guda Guda event, we face Andras. He's described as sowing discontent, and teaches those he favors to kill their enemies, masters, and servants. While Hijikata doesn't specialize in the field of sowing discontent, his reputation as a Torture Technician to get answers usually led to the deaths of those he got information about.
      • In the Subterranean World of Folklore: Agartha, we face Phenex. He's described as an excellent poet and obedient, neither of which matches with his depiction here, but a perfect fit for the one secretly serving him, Caster of Nightless City, given that she's Scheherazade. He's also said to want to return to Heaven after 1200 years, but his hope is mentioned to be foolish. This is mirrored by how Scheherazade's plan is to make it so that she can't be summoned from the Throne of Heroes ever again, but said plan is ultimately selfish and foolish.
      • In the Forbidden Advent Garden: Salem, we face Raum. Raum's generally depicted as a crow that takes on a human form, can also tell things past, present and future, and destroys cities and the dignity of men. The Salem witch trials had many of the accused have their dignity destroyed due to suspicions of being a witch. And as it just so happens, one of the other main threats we face here is Abigail Williams, who had a hand in accusing several people of witchcraft.
      • In the event only Deepsea Cyberbrain Paradise SE.RA.PH, we face Zepar. He causes women to love men, and bring them together in love. He befittingly corrupts FGO's Kiara Sessyoin into becoming like her CCC Self, who was befittingly an avatar of lust and desire. This comes to bite him when she instead becomes uncontrollable and evolves into Beast 3R as an aspect of Pleasure.
    • Though it's a one off mention, Amadeus Mozart mentions offhandedly that he was once a Demon Pillar candidate for the demon Amduscias, however he lost that qualification once he "sold his soul to music". Amduscias, fittingly enough, is written to be able to create concerts on demand and lords over the cacophonous music that sounds throughout Hell.
    • Within the final singularity, three of the Demon Pillars are noted to have defected from Goetia and have discussions with the heroic spirits. These Pillars are Gusion, Eligos and Caim. Gusion is said to "reconcile friends and bestows dignity", Eligos attracts the favor of lords, knights and other important persons, and Caim is a good disputer. They have the skills that would possibly allow them to deal with Heroic Spirits.
    • Within Dante's first interlude, we deal with the Demon Pillar Andromalius. Andromalius is said to bring back thieves and stolen goods, as well as punish the wicked and thieves, and sees through all evilness and dishonest dealing. Befittingly enough, there was a theory that Dantes was originally supposed to become the Pillar, and who better to embody him than a man who had everything stolen from him and wrongfully imprisoned, and who sought to punish everyone who made him suffer?
    • In Medea Lily's second Interlude, we face off against the Demon Pillar Hagenti. While there aren't any connections to food or cooking (as Lily had intended to turn him into an infinite pancake), Hagenti is known for changing metals into gold and wine into water (and vice-versa) - in other words, transmuting things...which makes his death at the hands of Medea Lily extremely ironic, since she ends up transmuting him into ingredients for her pancake.
    • While the first demon pillar we faced in Solomon, Naberius, didn't appear in the singularity he would correspond to (Orleans), said pillar does reappear in Assassin Emiya's Interlude. Naberius is known for making men cunning in arts (the type of card Assassin Emiya's Noble Phantasm is categorized as), and he commonly appears as a crow, a bird associated with death - which as an Assassin, Kiritsugu Emiya is quite capable of causing. For that matter, the Noble Phantasm of Jeanne D'Arc, our ally for the chapter, also happens to be an Arts card and the singularity takes place shortly after her death.
      • Similarly, another of the pillars we face in Solomon, Sabnock doesn't appear in Babylonia (the singularity he corresponds to), one of his specialties is building high towers, castles, and cities, all 3 of which would fit right in with Babylon's defenses. Also, class-wise, he's an archer, similar to Ishtar and the SSR version of Gilgamesh.
      • Although not fought or mentioned, it's worth noting that both times you fight Solomon-possessed-by-Goetia, Goetia doesn't use any of Solomon's special attacks or even Noble Phantasm. Instead, he uses an "Incineration Ritual" like the other pillars, often followed up by the pillar's name. What does he use against you? "Incineration Ritual: Beleth". It's worth noting that Goetia-As-Solomon's disposition changes with whom they speak to, with different pillars taking charge. For an unseen pillar who possesses Solomon when fighting you, who does Beleth correspond to...? Well, it's obvious: The Player and the Main Character. Both fights involve you using your servants to fight while Solomon is surrounded by Demon Pillars, mimicking you! His debuffs can be seen as similar to the effects of Mystic Codes! As well, Beleth is a demon king of hell who was the first one invoked by Noah's Son, Ham, after the Biblical Flood, and that Beleth must be summoned with proper rituals or compelled into loyalty by paying respect to him, and in return, Beleth can grant the love of all the men and women he is compelled to grant until the summoner is satisfied. Out of all the Goetic Demons, Beleth is the most qualified to be the demon one who fights the Last Master of Humanity, who commands all sorts of men and women as Servants and who grants them respect and earns their loyalty!
  • In Shinjuku, it's a plot point that all the Hassans are practicing Muslims and are not allowed to get drunk on alcohol. However, in Camelot, we saw Hundred Personas visibly intoxicated on sake. Hundred Personas' superpower is a direct result of mental illness, so she/they may have a medicinal excuse. In addition, Hundred Personas received the name of Hassan-i-Sabbah as a Loophole Abuse to prevent the Zealot Assassin from getting it— she/they might be an exception altogether.
  • In the Babylonia Singularity it's said that Ishtar is attacking Uruk every day she can, yet she's treated more as an annoyance. There's a good reason: Ishtar is Uruk's guardian deity-she's just going through the motions.
  • There's a level of brilliance and beauty in how it's Sengo Muramasa with his vessel, Shirou Emiya, to ultimately defeat the Avenger Shirou Amakusa in Shimousa. The first thing we see in the latter's Shimabara Hell Reality Marble is a field in flames. The Avenger's world was only this despair and hatred. Yet, what cuts right through him and that hopeless world is someone whose vessel was born in a city in flames. Shirou Emiya had gone through the same kind of hell just like Amakusa had, and yet, even after abandoning everything until he had a Heart of Glass, losing his identity and becoming a Sword, he overcame that despair. And that's why Amakusa's world of flame was no match for the Hero born from the same circumstance.
  • Why is the Protagonist so exhausted and sleepy at the start of Part 1, even falling asleep in the hall? Because he's been in transit from Japan to an unspecified point in Antartica as revealed in Part 2's prologue, meaning he's both jet legged and exhausted from the absolute minimum almost an entire day's worth of traveling, as he's the last Master Candidate to reach Chaldea before the initial briefing.
  • The reveal of grand servants explains a lot about the summoning chant 'I shall be all that is good' 'I shall defeat all evil'? That always seemed a bit weird given that most magus seemed to be immoral scientists who wouldn't hesitate to disect a child but now that we know it is a corruption of the grand servant summoning system it makes perfect sense. Summoning servants to fight against the seven evils of humanity. They would be all that is good, the best of humanity and the Beast would be all that is evil, to be destroyed.
  • It's no wonder the Greek Lostbelt is so big that it needs to be split into two parts, Classical Mythology is the mythology with the largest influence on the world, with most people being able to name some of the gods or heroes from the myths.
  • The reveal of Lostbelt 5: Atlantis, is that it actually is just part one of the real Lostbelt: Olympus. Atlantis is a fictional city that has been disputed to ever exist, and has been used in history as an ideal concept of a city, or in some cases, a cautionary tale of one. The Bait-and-Switch was in the name all along. In hindsight, the fact that the Lostbelt subtitle is completely different from the one shown in the PV should already be a giant red flag showing that you haven't scratched the surface yet.
  • In the Olympus Lostbelt, it's revealed that there was a war between the Olympians over whether or not to live amongst humans or to continue their ascension into godhood and creating a forced Utopia. The ones who voted to create the utopia were Zeus, Hera, Demeter, Aphrodite, and Artemis. The ones who wanted to keep a level ground with humanity were Hades, Ares, Athena, Hephaestus, Hestia, Apollo and Poseidon. While the story may showcase how the Gods split because of ideals, one must also consider the fact that if Zeus had his way, the gods who voted against him, or at least their concepts, would eventually cease to exist.
    • Hades is the God of the Underworld, responsible for shepherding the souls of the dead. If Zeus had his utopia, Humans would become evolved and undying, depriving his underworld of any real purpose.
    • Ares and Athena are both Gods of War, with Ares being the bloodshed and violent side while Athena was the more tactical side. Not to mention Athena was also associated with wisdom. Zeus's utopia would have no need for war or wisdom due to peace and perfection, and Zeus was clearly lacking the latter half.
    • Hephaestus is the God of Blacksmiths, and master crafter of Olympus. If Zeus had his way, there would be no more need for any new machines, improvements or the like because everything would be perfect. Which makes it ironic because he plays a huge part in ending the Lostbelt.
    • Hestia is the goddess of the hearth, home, family, and the rightful ordering of the state. At first, it looks like Hestia would actually side with Zeus given his plans. However, once one takes into consideration the fact that Zeus was ultimately planning to leave humanity to die so he and the remaining Olympians could live in space, it makes sense why she'd go against him: he violates everything she stands for!
    • Apollo is the god of Archery, Prophecy, healing and diseases. If Zeus had his way, everyone would have no need for healing or disease because every human would be perfect. Furthermore, the future would become entirely ordained by Zeus and thus removing the need for any oracles.
    • Poseidon is the god of the Sea, Earthquakes and Storms. Somewhat like Hestia, Poseidon at first seems like an ally to Zeus and actually is in the Olympus Lostbelt. But it's then revealed that he was made Brainwashed and Crazy by Zeus, to serve as a guardian for the Olympus Lostbelt in the Atlantis portion. So the question that remains is why would Poseidon go against Zeus? For the same reasons as Hestia, actually: Zeus would eventually abandon humanity to take Olympus in space with him, which would deprive Poseidon of any Seas to control as the Earth was left to die.

    Event-Specific 
  • In the Saber Wars event, it's mentioned that Lancers are extinct and Archers are imprisoned as criminals. Of course that would be the case: Lancers are weak against the Saber class (plus this is a joke event, so the Carnival Phantasm running gag of Lancer dying at the drop of a hat is no doubt in play) so in a world overrun by Sabers it makes sense they've been killed off, while Archers are strong against the Saber class. Sabers likely wouldn't want to have people that can kill them easily running around free.
    • Also, MHX's profile mentions that her ultimate nemesis is the Great Emperor Cosmo Gilgames. Sounds familiar? Why of course, it's Gilgamesh and he won't be imprisoned like those mongrel Archers! It's likely that Gil is the only Archer running amok in that future.
      • It could also be some form of foreshadowing to the fact that Gilgamesh has a Caster version - after all, she doesn't mention the fate of any of the other 5 classes that are available when Saber Wars takes placenote , and Caster! Gilgamesh would be a good choice for taking down an Assassin...like MHX.
      • Due to a translation error, in the North America version of the Saber Wars event, MHX's cosmic nemesis is Gilles. Talk about From Nobody to Nightmare! The "brilliance", however accidental, is that Gilles de Rais is both Saber (in which form MHX easily wins) and Caster (theoretically giving him a class advantage, although by stats alone MHX still has the high ground).
  • The first run of the Da Vinci and the Seven Counterfeit Heroic Spirits event coincided with Leonardo da Vinci's actual birthday, April 15th. Cute or what? A Birthday, Not a Break for Da Vinci-chan!
  • In the Fate/Zero event, it's mentioned that due to Irisviel receiving upgrades to be Altria's Master, the two of them form an unbeatable team said to be guaranteed to win the Fourth Holy Grail War, to the point that the World is even sending a Counter Guardian after Irisviel to stop the horrible consequences of the Einzberns regaining Heaven's Feel. With a Servant like Gilgamesh in the picture, why is it that Altria and Irisviel are predestined to win, but in the Fifth War a similarly-powered team of Illya and Heracles were easily brushed aside by Gilgamesh? Because with Irisviel upgraded and Kiritsugu out of the picture, there was no reason for Irisviel to keep Avalon from Altria, meaning that she would be in possession of a Noble Phantasm capable of halting even Ea. In addition, unlike Heracles, Altria lacks divinity, meaning that the Chains of Heaven wouldn't have as much of an effect on her than they did with Heracles.
  • The Onigashima event, being a Japanese-themed event gives damage boost for "Japanese" Servants, including the Type-Moon original characters who are explicitly Japanese like EMIYA and Shiki Ryougi. Its rerun about a year later then adds more Japanese Servants who are released after the original event, although Pseudo-Servants whose human vessel is a Japanese person like Ishtar (Rin Tohsaka) and Jaguar Man (Taiga Fujimura) are not included. One may wonder why Illya and Chloe are included in this list of "Japanese Servants", since Illya is usually considered as being from Germany and Kuro is her... magic clone... sister-thing. And then you realize: Illya's father (and thus Kuro's, by association) is Kiritsugu Emiya, a Japanese man, making the two half-Japanese and thus a perfect fit for the list. (It even works extra hard for this Illya, since it's the Prisma version of Illya, meaning she lives in Japan, too!)
  • At the beginning of SE.RA.PH, Nero suggested the protagonist to have an island vacation with Servants but Tamamo-no-Mae objects, saying it is a bad idea and recalled the events in Chaldea Summer event, implying that this Tamamo is the same Tamamo who becomes Lancer and stuck in swimsuit after Scathach forgot the runes to undo it. How did Lancer Tamamo revert back to Caster if the runes to do it are forgotten? Since she is originally a Caster and never lost her abilities upon turning into Lancer, it's possible for her to use her own magecraft to find a way to undo it and even transform again at will. It is evident later in the post-story section of SE.RA.PH in MICOON Battle where the player faced Tamamo and transform into swimsuit Lancer mid-battle. And unlike Nero who stays as Bride after she is defeated in her battle, Tamamo reverts to Caster after being defeated and later assist the player against BB.
  • During the Valentine's Event for Space Ishtar you get killed twice by the Evil and Good Halves of Space Ishtar, but are brought back to life and have time reset by Fou. Then during your meeting with the Fused Space Ishtar she manipulates time so that you can spend the day with all 3 versions of her at once. These events also explain how you survived/escaped BB, Summer BB, Kiara (when you piss the latter off), & Kamadeva/Mara (when you accept her sinister offer). Somebody at Chaldea is using their abilities to save you from these bad situations whether it's Fou or another Servant.
  • During the Dead Heat Summer Race event, Charles Babbage has been booted from Chaldea for the summer since his constant steam turns everything into a sauna, forcing the female Servants into wearing swimsuits everywhere and subjecting them to Blackbeard's leering. So he went to London, where he says he's been playing with stray cats "and stray Jack." While obviously meant to be a funny joke, it does make sense for her to be playing with Babbage despite his steam. After all, this is Jack the Stripper we're talking about, the girl infamous for her Age-Inappropriate Dress. She's always dressed for the heat, so of course a little steam wouldn't bother her.

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Fridge Horror

  • Fuyuki City in flames is already very disturbing, but compare the map in this game to the map of Fuyuki in Fate/hollow ataraxia, the first area of the map is the Emiya residence, the large crater in the ground is exactly where the Tohsaka residence was and the area where you can fight Heracles as a Bonus Boss is the forest outside the Einzbern Castle. And if you look at a version of the map without game icons, you can see a long city-spanning line of fire that was shot by Excalibur.
    • You can get a more precise measure of what area is what by comparing the "Fate/Zero Accel Order" event map, as it's area per area the same; just before and after.
  • The Big Bad is a Servant who is capable of summoning himself from the Throne of Heroes. Considering how the Throne exists outside of space-time, and a Heroic Spirit who "dies" really just gets sent back there, this means that Solomon is completely unkillable - even if you do muster enough power to destroy his form, he can just summon himself back into the world without a hassle.
    • Thankfully this turns out to be a bluff in order to intimidate Chaldea. However, we actually learn that it's Beast I Goetia possessing the dead corpse of Solomon, and it's basically immortal until the real Solomon sacrifices himself and his existence in the throne to even make him vulnerable.
  • From what's been shown, all seven of the Beasts are capable of ending humanity, with Solomon's Noble Phantasm incinerating Earth in an instant and the brutal onslaught that was Tiamat and her Lahmus. Both required extraordinary effort to defeat, so we can only shudder at what the remaining ones are like and what it'll take to defeat them.
  • Also, from the prologue to Time Temple Solomon: So Marisbury Animusphere and Solomon made normal wishes on the Fuyuki Grail? Fate/Zero, both itself and the Zero event in the game itself, tells us why that would be a terrible idea! The Fuyuki Grail at that point, in that state, would implement the wish in the most destructive way possible! Yet it would seem like nothing happened... until you realize that Solomon had that final vision of humanity's incineration right as his Clairvoyance faded, after he had made his wish. Making that wish is probably what prevented Lev Lainur from killing himself as he otherwise does, allowing Goetia to kick off his plan and the entire plot of Grand Order.
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    • The grail in Fate/Zero and Fate/stay night only interpreted wishes as destructive because Angra Mainyu had contaminated it from the Third War. There were no previous grail wars in this timeline so the grail would never have had a chance to be contaminated.
    • As a side bit of horror to this: the records on Trihermes in the Atlas Institute during Camelot are pretty clear on Animusphere winning the 2004 Fuyuki War by killing all opposing Masters. If... if Animusphere was the only "new" Master (or is even, perhaps, the otherwise Master of Medea briefly seen during the UBW anime), then did he... did Shirou, Rin, Sakura, Illya...?
      • He can't be the otherwise Master of Medea, because that master's name is Atrum Galliasta, and from what we know of him, he doesn't match any description that has been given of Marisbury so far.
    • They're probably okay. Remember that no Grail Wars happened in the F/GO timeline until 2004. As such, Shirou would be living a normal life (since the fire would've never happened, at least outside of the Point F Singularity), the Einzberns may've still sent Kiritsugu (so he would've died instead), and Tokiomi should still be alive since Kirei repressed himself until meeting Gilgamesh).
      • Until it was revealed that the Greater Grail War still happened, with Goredolf having met Balmung personally.
  • Fou turns out to be an alternate version of Beast IV, better known as Primate Murder, who gained a different perspective of humanity thanks to Merlin's influence. Given what we know about Primate Murder and the other Beasts, we're extremely lucky it's on our side and gave up its power and intelligence to bring back Mash.
    • After the reveal of how Beast III-R was made, which is created by overriding the GO counterpart with a counterpart that became a Beast, who's to say that any other Demon pillar or even Altrouge Brunestud herself might waltz in and pull the same stunt on our dear Fou. Unlike Kiara, Fou is actually aware of his original future as Primate Murder as stated by himself when he was resurrecting Mash in the epilogue of Solomon chapter but still...
  • Tamamo says in her second Interlude that her nine-tailed true form's power is on par with Grand Caster Solomon as possessed by Goetia. Considering that Goetia is a Beast, it's possible that nine-tailed Tamamo (which first appeared in Fate/Extra CCC's Tamamo secret garden) is a Beast herself.
    • And in Valentine 2017, Swimsuit Tamamo outright says that her beastly nature is awakening and that she's joined the Tamamo Nine as "Tamamo Shark". Also, after drinking Tamamo's concoction...
      MC: "... this girl is truly a Beast, isn't she?"
    • Let's not forget the entity of whom even Nine-Tailed Tamamo is only a splinter fragment: Amaterasu. A SOLAR DIVINE SPIRIT, who thus isn't an emanation of Earth but of the Universe, and thus in the same weight-class power-wise as Velber/Sefar. And who called herself an Evil of Man, which is the moniker of the Beast class. Be afraid.
  • Kiara's inclusion as a playable character brings a certain point to the mind. It's her "Independent Manifestation" passive skill, a skill that all Beast Servants have. It would seem that the skill is one of the requirements for a Beast class vessel, just like EX-ranked Clairvoyance for the Grand Caster vessel. Then, who else has "Independent Manifestation" as a passive skill? It's Void Shiki. The Spiral of Origin as an Evil of Humanity? *shudder*
    • Fortunately, they aren't Beast candidates. Side materials say that she and Merlin simply stole this skill from Beast-class. Phew.
  • Gilgamesh's statement in Babylonia that people killed in singularities stay dead even after the timeline is "corrected." Consider just how many people have died thus far, from Charles VII (due to Jeanne Alter) to George Washington (due to Medb) to nearly all of Mesopotamia.
  • In the Olympus Lostbelt, we see that the Olympians had a schism between whether to rule as dictators or to live amongst humans. The dictatorship was made up of Zeus, Demeter, Artemis, Aphrodite and Hera, with the rest going against him. This doesn't seem too horrible at first...until the fact that Zeus was explicitly mentioned to have Brainwashed the other people to serve him. Not only that, but the fact that they're all the goddesses save Athena and Hestia. Zeus is well known for Double Standard: Rape, Divine on Mortal, in this game he's basically extended it to the Goddesses he's taken a fancy to, only this time he's adding in Mind Rape into the mix!
    • This interpretation would violate incest taboos (Hera and Demeter are his sisters, and Artemis his daughter). By the source material it was nothing new (he was married to Hera, after all), but to modern audiences it does add an extra level of Squick to the whole situation.
  • After the fight has ended, Altria notes that the whole thing seems to hint at the involvement of none other than Morgan Le Fay. Who hasn't shown up once at all throughout the entire plot. So we have no idea at all what she's up to.
  • The prologue for Cosmos in the Lostbelt, even before the Alien God's invasion, has the Protagonist and Mash being brutally interrogated by Mages Association officers. Imagine being in their shoes; after going through countless trials and, in Mash's case, defying death itself, their "reward" was having their benefactors completely turn on them, invade their home, banish almost all their friends, and then shunt them into cramped, barely-lit rooms where complete strangers furiously rant and scream about how their actions were "heretical" and that they would "pay dearly" for breaking the laws of The Masquerade.
  • Cosmos in the Lostbelt adds an extra layer of horror. Doman's purpose wasn't simply to take advantage of the alternate Amakusa's despair and rage and use it to cause mayhem and suffering (though it was definitely part of it), but was mainly him creating a prototype Lostbelt.
  • Though still a bit hotheaded, the summer version of Jeanne d'Arc Alter is significantly more laid-back and even playful compared to her Avenger incarnation. They explicitly state it's because she is no longer an Avenger. This implies that Avenger Jeanne Alter is not, as it might initially seem, simply an extreme case of a Tsundere, nor that that is how she actually wants to be. Instead, it's her class that's causing the behavior. In other words, she doesn't actually enjoy being angry and kinda bitchy to people all the time, she got stuck against her will with a class that makes her miserable and basically forces her to.
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