There's a more subtle and likely unintentional parallel between Goku and Frieza by the Buu Saga. Frieza had four forms in total — his base restricted form, and three more powerful states leading to his true form. Goku eventually became so powerful that the only way to bring it all out was with a whopping three stages of Super Saiyan beyond his base form. In other words, his base too became his "restricted" form. Frieza, as you'll recall, had a fatal flaw in using his full power. As soon as he hit that peak, his ki would begin to take a staggering nosedive. Remember what Goku's crux was in going all the way to Super Saiyan 3?
Not to burst the bubble, but Super Saiyan multiplies a Saiyan's existing power, rather than jumping it to a set number.
Right before he dies on Namek, Vegeta tells Goku he wants Frieza to die by a Saiyan's hand. Guess who does ultimately kill Frieza? Not only a Saiyan, but Vegeta's son, Trunks!
Frieza gets one as well. His DNA is used to create Cell, who in one alternate future kills Trunks, thus bringing the Saiyan race to extinction.
In early Dragon Ball Z, Bulma and Roshi ask Baba if she can see the outcome of the fight against the Saiyans. Specifically, they ask whether the earth is intact one year from now. There was no apparent reason for her not to see the outcome, except for not spoiling the fight, of course. Then this troper realized that, if Roshi and Bulma asked her about this only a month or so before the fight, then the reason she couldn't see the a year ahead into the future anymore was because of Cell travelling to the past before that point. Remember that Cell arrived a year before Trunks, and the Freeza saga lasted barely over a month, with only a years time between then and Trunks arriving. Once time travel becomes involved, Baba can't see the future anymore! Must have hurt her business.
In Dragon Ball Z a friend of mine pointed out that Goku starts the series wearing an emblem on his outfit, then about midway through the series he stops wearing it. Neither me or my friend could figure out why he suddenly stopped wearing it, figuring that maybe the animators just got tired of it. My friend then remarked that it could be symbolic. He started the show as a student of Roshi and King Kai. Then after he became a Super Saiyan, he stopped wearing the symbols because he's now the master.—Sketchpad
The manga outright states this at least one time, but your friend was still dead-on.
You could potentially say a very similar thing about Krillin. Forever living in everyone's shadow: his best friends, the major villains, the monks at the Shaolin temple... he constantly wore some form of uniform right up until the very last battle with Cell. Seven years later free from any major battles and embracing the company of his wife and daughter (an arguably enjoying the protection living with a super powerful Android brings) he learnt to loosen up and accept himself. Come the Tournament he discards the Turtle and Shaolin uniforms and instead, for the first time in a major fight, wears an unbranded red T-shirt and track pants.
Muten Roshi's signature move is the Kamehameha. In Hawaii therewerefivekingsnamedKamehameha. Muten Roshi lives on a tropical island and has a penchant for wearing Hawaiian shirts, and he hangs out with a turtle.
"Kame" means turtle. Kamehameha roughly means "turtle school attack".
"Turtle school wave". Anyway, the conection with King Kamehameha was intentional. Word of God stated his wife come with this pun for him.
The series has referred to it as the "Kamehameha Wave" several times, especially in the original series. So it's the Turtle Destruction Wave Wave, then?
In the original Japanese Manga/Anime, the Kamehameha is seldom called the "Kamehameha Wave". That was added into the dub.
Piccolo's transition from Good Is Not Nice loner to Team Dad makes a lot of sense when you take into consideration that he takes on aspects of the personality of those he fused with. Considering fused with Nail and then Kami, it makes a lot of sense in story why Piccolo defrosted the way he did.
And on the subject of Piccolo, why keep the name of his evil counterpart? In Namekian, according to Word of God, Piccolo means "Another World". And since Kami is a title, not a name, Piccolo was probably adopted by the Namekian when he couldn't remember his name. Even deeper, the titles "King Piccolo" and "Kami (Piccolo)" would translate to King and God, respectively, of another world!
A more Meta Example. My entire experience for the anime was greatly enhanced when I stopped looking at it as a fight anime, and started looking at it as Kabuki Theater. Once I did that, the unbearably long Power Ups and poses and glowing and Calling Your Attacks were completely understandable and even enjoyable. Tropers/vp21ct
Spot on. Thanks for the tip.
This troper often wondered why Gohan went Super Saiyan 2 after Cell crushed Android 16's head. Sure, it was sad and all, but Gohan didn't really know 16 very well. But then, it hit me after seeing some video's: That scene was exactly identical to a nightmare Gohan had in some filler, were Cell crushed Piccolo's head, one of the people he cares most for, in the same manner. Cell crushing 16's head made him realize how Cell could easily destroy everyone he knew and loved. - Shadowgirl 13 Chaos
Furthermore, the filler episode early in Z, The Strangest Robot, shows Gohan developing feelings for a robot called C-6, which then sacrifices itself to save him. Not only would Android 16's death remind Gohan of his old friend and the sacrifice it made for him, but the loss of C-6 was the first time Gohan had experienced death and grief, and it happened to be a mechanical being. Thus, Gohan seems to associate much pain with the loss of artificial life that has developed a virtuous, altruistic personality of its own despite its programming. Some may write this off as a coincidence due to the episode being filler, but keep in mind that Toriyama was directly involved with the creation of the anime's filler and he made many suggestions and contributed many ideas to filler episodes. - E Bsessed
The existence of the many non-canon movies used to bug me. However, I remembered what Trunks said about the nature of time travel and the existence of multiple timelines. Then I realized- they may not be canon in this timeline, but they are in others.
Actually they are. The movies World's Strongest, The Tree of Might and Lord Slug take place in an alternate timeline where Goku arrived in time to save the other fighters from Vegeta and Nappa. Yamcha and the others never died so there was no need to go to Namek.
Not quite, in The Worlds Strongest during Gohans little song it shows a flashback of Piccolo sacrificing himself to stop Nappa's attack. The only way these 3 movies could take place is in the 3 years before the Androids, though even that causes some continuity problems, but less so.
Maybe in that timeline, Goku arrived in time to give Piccolo a senzu bean?
The way this troper sees it, Lord Slug takes place in a timeline where Goku arrived in time to save Piccolo and defeat the Saiyans, World's Strongest takes place in a timeline where Vegeta lost his Beam-O-War with Goku and died, and Tree of Might takes place in a timeline where Goku's Spirit Bomb killed Freeza and he never needed to go Super Saiyan to beat him.
Piccolo swore to avenge his father's death at the hands of Goku by killing him. I just realized hedid.
It gets better. Just minutes afterward killing Goku he starts becoming a good guy, shown by training Gohan. As soon as he completes his oath, he starts walking his own path.
The cherry on top is the WAY he killed Goku; a giant hole through his chest, JUST LIKE Goku did to his father! The Brilliance goes further: He hates and kills Goku bc Goku hated and killed his family. Gohan liked him and showed him kindness, so what dose Piccolo do? RETURN Gohan's kindness by saving him! Piccolo, being one of the youngest characters intentionally or unintentionally reflects the behavior directed at him back onto those that give it!!
I'm sure to a lot of people this was obvious but it took me a while to figure out that the whole reason Cell tried so hard to get Gohan to turn into a Super Saiyan 2 was because he had Vegeta's cells, and like Vegeta he wants to prove that he can beat people while they're at their strongest.
More likely, it's because he's the literal embodiment of the idea of perfection. The Cell Games are all about showing the Z Fighters that he's the perfect warrior, so he had to dispel any doubt about Gohan.
Not only is he part Vegeta, but part Goku as well. Maybe the Saiyans all have some trait about them that makes them want their enemy at full power when they're defeated.
It's stated in canon that ALL Saiyans are tremendous Blood Knights. Some take it the sadistic and more common route such as Vegeta, and others are entirely interested in the thrill of the fight such as Goku. Okay, just Goku.
Consider the Saiyan from an evolutionary perspective, and compare it to human evolution. When humans became predators, they took pride in waging a war on all other competing top predators (which has been successful to different degrees), and are quite proud of killing large dangerous non-humans, like bears. Saiyan don't bother hunting the lesser predators - they are hunters of the TOP predators (ie, people), and take the same joy in wiping out people-level creatures, as human people take in wiping out wolves, bears, and tigers. Humans just don't like being treated the way they treat other species.
At first, Cell self-destructing seems to be just an act of desperation. Here comes the brilliance; using the move, Cell manages to accomplish the purpose he was built for: killing Goku.
Actually it can be seen as somewhat ironic (I think I'm using that right) as Cell was the only Android in the entire saga that was NOT built for killing Goku, instead he was only built to achieve perfection.
This troper thinks the reason he was meant to become perfect was to help him beat Goku, and Cell just kinda went on his own from there. Even more ironic in that case would be that Cell actually wasn't perfect when he killed Goku since he lost Android 18.
I think I can solve the confusion here. Dr. Gero states that the reason for creating new androids was to find one capable of killing Goku. Apparently not convinced 17 and 18 could do the job, he creates Cell, who upon perfection can beat Goku. Cell reaches perfection, but the power corrupts his programming, making defeating Goku seem like a trifle. Nevertheless, Cell's tactics do lead to Goku's death. Note this is more Fridge Brilliance for Dr. Gero, not Cell.
Cell actually says as much to Trunks, at least in the Dragon Ball Kai version, when explaining and deciding that he wants a tournament.
After Cell's self-destruction and subsequent regeneration, he somehow learned how to use Instant Transmission even though that technique had puzzled him before. How did he suddenly figure out how to use it? The answer is simple: because of Tien's cells! During Tien's fight against Jackie Chun in Dragon Ball he displays his ability to copy and instantly master any technique that he sees, by firing a Kamehameha after only witnessing it once during his match against Yamcha. Because Tien's cells were also used in the creation of Cell, it's very likely that Cell also possesses this ability.
Goku seems to have a lot of problem with killing in the Saiyan/Namek saga (wanting to let Nappa, Jeice, Recoome and Burter live and letting Vegeta and trying to let Frieza live). The reason that stopped after the Namek saga was because for the first time that Goku had let someone live (Frieza) it didn't turn them good. Every other villain Goku let live in the past became good so Goku wanting to let everyone live, until Frieza proved mercy doesn't make all bad guys good, is understandable.
Although in the case of Frieza it was more Cruel Mercy. Goku thought it would be far more painful and humiliating for an egomaniac like Frieza to go on living, knowing he was beating by a 'monkey'. Given Frieza some of his energy to escape Namek, however, was Goku being unable to turn a deaf ear for a plea for help.
His tendency to spare his enemies goes back to him letting Piccolo Jr. live at the end of Dragon Ball. It's a dramatic departure from his earlier attitude of killing his enemies without hesitation. What happened in the interim? He lived with God for three years! Kami didn't just made Goku stronger physically, he refined him spiritually.
Android 16 was a pacifist and Gentle Giant. He was also far more obedient than 17 and 18. So why was Doctor Gero so afraid of him? Perhaps he had a really bad experience with an android that had the exact same personality but a few hundred thousand times less fighting power (one from 8 generations ago).
Actually, it's for a different reason and related to the other 16 one: Android 16 was inspired by Dr. Gero's own son. He was killed by a bullet while as a high rank solider in the Red Ribbon army. So when he remade him, he made 16 strong enough to protect himself, but also had his son's personality. This was revealed in a somewhat recent interview.
No, Gero was afraid of 16 because 16 was good. 16 was obedient to 17 and 18, to an extent, because he thought they were decent people and he only wanted to kill Goku, but he wouldn't do anything for them that did not interest him. When 16 figures out Cell is a no good bastard, 16 immediately tries to kill Cell and doesn't let anyone stop him. Gero himself is a no good bastard directly responsible for Cell's existence. 16 would immediately try to kill him. Then he would have tried to kill Goku. 16 literally puts Cell's death ahead of Goku's.
This troper thought it was weird at first Gero made cyborgs when he was perfectly capable of making robots, then had a moment of fridge logic: Gero created CELL. To make Cell the most powerful being in the universe Gero needed him to have nigh infinite energy, but couldn't give him an infinite energy generator because Cell was grown from... cells. 17 and 18 NEEDED to be cyborgs in order for Cell to be able to absorb them, since he can't absorb pure machines (shown with 16) I like to think this is correct when 17 himself has an inner monologue pondering the same thing.
Furthermore, notice the term INFINITE energy. This explains why Cell refers to the state he reaches after absorbing the twins as "perfection".
This troper used to think that Gero saying android 16 was a "horrible defect" was just a fake warning to keep 17 and 18 from re-activating him, as he was perfectly functional. But, then i just realized he is defective, in Gero's eyes, anyways; he had no motive for destroying Goku like he wanted, and was peaceful and gentle, not the Goku smashin' death machine he wanted him to be. - Shadowgirl 13 Chaos
Android 16 seems to have an extremely good ability for analyzing his opponents, as observed by his sensing the Kami/Piccolo fusion. This might be why he turned out a "defective" pacifist. With perception comes empathy.
Not entirely true. I can't speak for the anime, but in the manga at the start of the Cell Games Goku says to 16 something along the lines of "Hey, thanks for fighting alongside us," to which 16 replies "Don't forget, I was created to kill you". YMMV on this, but he may have been implying that once Cell was gone, he was going to kill (or at least fight) Goku.
It's mentioned further down the page in response to something unrelated, but Dragon Ball Z Abridged also mentioned valid reasoning for this:
Broly is missing from both the Fusion Reborn movie and the Super 17 saga of GT when all the villains escape from hell (despite other movie villains appearing in both situations and Broly being one of the most popular movie villains), it just now occurred to me that at the end of the Bio-Broly movie Goku and Pikkon got sent to hell to stop Broly from causing trouble...They must have killed him, which would have wiped him out from existence.
If GT is anything to go by, getting killed in hell doesn't wipe you out of existence. Goku accidentally killed Frieza and Cell (and no guessing here, they were frozen solid and shattered), and they show up fine in the next episode, tied up and in a cage.
And they can both survive being ripped apart anyway.
Maybe not killed him permanently then, but did something to ensure when all the other villains escaped Broly was still too stuck to get out.
Krillin refusing to kill 18. Here I was thinking "what a softy, to think this was the pain in the ass punk kid Goku trained with." then I realized, that's why he's so reluctant to kill someone who, so far, has shown themselves to be little more than a delinquent, not a villain. He knows firsthand people like that can reform.
He even flat-out states it at the beginning of the Android Saga when explaining to Bulma that they should try to fight the Androids with Vegeta because it gave them a common enemy. Goku made most of his friends like this. At first, people like Oolong, Yamcha, Tien, Yajirobe, Piccolo, Vegeta and even Krillin were all rivals and enemies against Goku, but when faced with a common goal (i.e. finding the Dragon Balls and defeating a stronger enemy), they became allies and later friends. I think that Krillin was thinking that if they became allies to fight against Cell, she wouldn't need to die.
This troper used to wonder why Goku was willing to allow Frieza a chance to redeem himself and live, even after killing Krillin, even though when Demon King Piccolo did the same (indirectly, but still), Goku became a berserk Blood Knight who would not stop until Piccolo was absolutely dead. Then I remembered that Goku's utter pureness, he cannot bring himself to kill anyone who has even an ounce of redeemable qualities in them. Even though Frieza was as bad as we see in Z, he still must have been good at some point in his life, even if it was only as an infant, so he does have at least a minuscule amount of good in him. Demon King Piccolo, however, was literally the embodiment of evil, being what was formed when Kami expelled all the bad stuff from his body. He was born of pure evil and Goku was able to sense that. Even though he didn't know Piccolo's backstory, he could sense that there wasn't even the smallest chance at redemption, so he had no choice but to kill him.
Even more brilliant when you remember what he said about Vegeta episodes earlier, how Vegeta wasn't born bad, but made that way! Goku might be applying this same logic to Frieza and is offering him a chance to redeem himself.
Better still, it might have been both. Being beaten by a "lowly Saiyan" would be the kind of push that might knock Frieza off his high horse and change him significantly, and would only be a Fate Worse than Death if he didn't undergo any Character Development. If he did eventually redeem himself, his defeat at Goku's hands (and the subsequent energy dosage to make sure he lived) would undoubtedly be the start of that paradigm shift.
This would also explain Goku's desperation to get Gohan to finish Cell later in the series, as he's already made the mistake of wanting an enemy to suffer, only to have that Cruel Mercy come back to bite him.
Not exactly sure where to put this, but as I was watching Dragon Ball Z Kai I realized a human and a Saiya-jin have a fertile offspring, so that means biologically humans and Saiya-jin are the same species.
Not at all. What it means biologically is that they have the same number of chromosomes. Furthermore, even if they have different numbers of chromosomes, chromosome doubling through mitotic/meiotic nondisjunction can create fertile hybrid organisms which are able to produce viable offspring when mated with a member of one of the species the hybrid was derived from.
Still doesn't make a lick of sense, as humans believe they can't mate with chimpanzees (our closest biological relative; though no one has had the Dragon Balls to try crossing gametes in a lab. It's just a matter of "if it looks human, it can mate with a human" nonsense thinking.
Humans and saiyans are definitely in the same genus then, and this all depends on if you define species as "capable of producing fertile offspring" or "regularly produce fertile offspring".
Why is it that Gohan always seems to be just strong enough for any given situation? Because he trained with Piccolo, and the big green guy beat seven shades of hell out of him on a constant basis. Saiyans, even Half-Saiyans, get stronger every time they get themselves beaten into a fine paste. It could be that Gohan was Super Saiyan material all along and just didn't know how to control it, instead deciding subconsciously to be just a shade weaker than the strongest person he knew at the time, Piccolo. As time goes on, he learns to control it better, with occasional outbursts of "Holy Crap" power when he gets angry (see: him kicking around Types 2 and 3 Freeza after 1) impaling Krillin and 2) beating the crap out of surrogate father Piccolo). One of Gohan's inner monologues during the Cell saga suggests that, if he had been more prepared, more in control, it would have been him beating Freeza into a fine mist on Namek rather than his father.
Why was Goku the first Saiyan in millennia to reach Super Saiyan? It's stated that the trigger for the Super Saiyan transformation is anger. Specifically, anger over the death of Krillin, his best friend since childhood. Compare to pre HeelFace Turn Vegeta, who didn't hesitate to kill Nappa despite the fact that he's been Vegeta's constant companion since the Saiyan's extinction. Saiyans were raised from birth to be warriors and conquerers, and a big part of that was having little to no respect for the value of life, be it friend or foe. Goku was probably the first Saiyan in ages to truly care about someone other than himself, and as such was the first in ages to feel genuine anguish when he lost that someone. It's really the ultimate case of Beware the Nice Ones.
This also goes a long way to explaining why the very sensitive Gohan was the first to reach Super Saiyan 2.
If Episode of Bardock is considered Canon, then it would make perfect sense why Goku would be the first in a millenia to become a Super Saiyan. His father was the first super saiyan. It runs in his blood.
Why is it called a Hyperbolic Time Chamber? It exaggerates time.
I think it derives from hyperbola, not hyperbole (you know, all of that stuff with the theory of relativity, time slowing down as you speed up until it reaches an asymptote at the speed of light)...but I like this interpretation.
The reason those two words are similar is because they have a common root, meaning "to go beyond." Concerning hyperbole, the meaning is obvious. Concerning hyperbola, a hyperbola is the intersection between a hollow, infinite cone, and a plane whose slope is greater than the slope of the cone's side.
I originally believed that Goku told Gohan to finish off Cell quickly because then Cell would be dead and it would be all over and done with. After watching Kai, I realized that Goku was telling him this because 1) he had been in the exact same situation on Namek versus Frieza, and the trademark cockiness/ruthlessness of the SSJ transformation had nearly cost him his life, and 2) Goku probably realized that Cell, having Frieza's DNA in him, would react in the same way as Frieza did upon being overmatched: he would try to destroy the planet.
So what's this about Frieza saying it would take 5 minutes to blow up Namek, and it really taking umpteen episodes? Well, one could more than likely chalk that up in large part to the fact that by that point in the series, characters had long since been fighting at greater speeds than the human eye could normally track, and Goku and Frieza had started to gain speeds so high not even the already supersonic characters could track their movements. The death ball may well have been taking approximately 5 minutes to destroy Namek, but considering the show had to considerably "slow down" the Goku v. Frieza fight for we humans to see, it didn't translate into as short of a show-time.
The speed at which they would be fighting is fair enough a point, but the dialogue that Goku and Frieza exchange with one another lasts much longer than 5 minutes. Far more believable alternatives include the possibility that Frieza vastly underestimated the amount of time it would time for Namek to explode or that Frieza's perception of a minute being different from ours given that he is an alien.
Or maybe Namek have a different time scale than Earth. Who's to say that 5 minutes in Namekian time is the same as 5 minutes in Earth time?
Not Namekian time. Perhaps whatever measure of time Frieza is used to using.
Frieza DID in fact underestimate the time it would take for Namek to blow up. In the English dub at least, he actually points out when the five minutes have already gone by, and sounds rather surprised the planet is still intact.
This troper is a fan of the DBZ abridged series's explanation that Frieza didn't actually know what a minute was.
During Krillin and "Jackie Chun"'s fight during the 21st Budokai Tenkaichi there is a point where the announcer asks the two to reenact what they just did, as it happened too fast for the normal humans to see. Apparently this included some dialog (specifically Rock Paper Scissors) in the middle of it, so the Z-Fighters and villains can conceivably have entire conversations in the blink of an eye.
Further evidence for this is seen earlier in the saga. Goku used the kaioken which lasts for a heartbeat, while Ginyu and Jeice had a small conversation with each other.
When watching the fight between Goku vs. Pikkon, I at one point wondered why, when Goku went Super Saiyan, everyone (apart from King Kai) was surprised to see this, with West Kai outright asking what had happened to him. Then I realized that this was because practically every other Saiyan had been to some degree like Vegeta in their personality, and thus would have most likely been sent to Hell. The only possible exception to this would have been Bardock, and because Bardock was not an incredibly powerful fighter, he would not be "qualified" to participate in the Otherworld Tournament. Therefore, everyone is surprised because most of them have never seen a Saiyan before, and the few who might have seen one have definitely never seen a Super Saiyan. Rellevart.
Jossed. Bardock went Super Saiyan in Episode of Bardock. However, it's quite possible that he's just never been in the Otherworld Tournament, and is just kinda chillin' somewhere.
Even if we take Episode of Bardock as true, he most likely didn't keep his body after he died. In the Dragon World only heroes or people who spent their lives doing good have the privilege of keeping their bodies. Although Bardock risked his life to save the people on the planet he was on, it most likely wasn't enough to balanced all the evil he did while working under Frieza. As Piccolo noted to Vegeta, one good deed doesn't negate a lifetime of evil.
I was rereading the character page and noticed that Gohan's SSJ 2 form was listed under Dark Messiah. Gohan, even more than his father, seems to have a very high value for life in general (even animals), which is why, normally he doesn't seem able to outright kill his opponents. But when Cell killed 16 (angering him enough to get into that form), it's likely that, to him, Cell's life had lost all value. And if you're not considered alive to him, tearing you limb from limb won't quite affect him emotionally.
After the Freeza Saga, the Zenkai ability all Saiyan's possess, to get excessively stronger after suffering a near fatal defeat, seems to vanish completely after all Saiyan's have become Super Saiyans? The beatdown Vegeta received from Android 18 and then being healed later should have been enough to widen the gap, but we had to endure training. The same with Gohan, in the Buu Saga, who was beat nearly to death by Super Buu w/Gotenks and Dende healed him. Not a single increase. So, I asked a friend of mine, and he decided upon the fact that Zenkai itself is a rudimentary form of Super Saiyan, as it increases power with a certain trigger (near death, healing), Super Saiyan increases it with a certain trigger (anger, desire). Super Saiyan is simply an extreme, conscious version of Zenkai.
This is even better. Think about how the Saiyan's power suddenly started skyrocketing due to zenkai with boosts going into double digits. This is around the point where the characters' power levels are going from 50,000-180,000 to around the few millions. Vegeta, Gohan and especially Goku (for one got a 33x increase making him strong enough to fight Frieza's 4th form) get their powers boosted past the 7 digit mark. This makes their power levels high enough to bring the Super Saiyan transformation within reach. This suggests that at that point Zenkai is no longer just a healing factor. When there is a potential to ascend to a much higher level of power the Zenkai becomes the Saiyan's own Unlock Potential ability, and it's sole purpose at that point is to awaken enough power to allow a Super Saiyan transformation to happen. After that it again goes back to a healing factor and doesn't provide much significant boost to be noticed.
The notable exception to all this? Cell. He may have Saiyan cells and a power level of a Super Saiyan, but he's neither of these. He can't go Super Saiyan to begin with, so Zenkai boosted his power level dramatically when he survived his own suicide bomb attempt.
A simpler explanation is that the Zenkais became obsolete once Freeza reached his final form. Goku gained Zenkais whilst training, while Vegeta just recovered from injuries. Goku's method helped his mind keep up with his body and he could push himself to his limit and beyond, while Vegeta never seemed to push himself at all and was killed by a foe who was naturally better than himself. Once Vegeta realised that he couldn't rely on a cheat code to win any more fights, he started taking his training much more seriously.
It's noted on this wiki that Piccolo acts very differently in his first appearence in the 23d World Martial Arts Tournament then he does in all later appearences. When I re-watched those episodes, I noticed that his mad, card-carrying villian persona is a lot like his father's. The frige brilliance- Piccolo was only three years old at the time of the Tournament, but he has his father's memories. So, at the Turnament, he hadn't really had much life experience, and so acted based on his memories, but by the time he appears later on in "Z", he's had more time to develop his own personality- the stoic Jerk with a Heart of Gold he is for the rest of the series. -Bergil
So Frieza's organization conquers planets and then sells them to the highest bidder. Maybe this goes without saying, but why exactly does Frieza need money? Up until Goku came along, he was the most powerful being in the known universe, and he clearly wasn't above slaughtering entire races to have his way. What purpose does money serve to a guy so feared and strong that he can demand whatever he wants at anytime he wants?
First off, you must remember that Frieza did not start the Planet Trade Organization or whatever it's called. He has parents, at least a dad. And if you take the Episode of Bardok into consideration, we have Chilled, his ancestor. They must have established the Organization a long time before Freiza was born. He's just running it to keep it in the family. Plus, he's Wicked Cultured. The latter is more noticeable in Kai.
This is probably over thinking things but here goes... The laws of thermodynamics state that energy cannot move from a low energy place to a high energy place unless a greater amount of energy moves from a high place to a low place. Therefore it must take even more energy to focus a Ki blast than there is in the blast itself. (Think of it like the electricity requirement of an air conditioner.) No wonder everyone is constantly overestimating their own attacks. They feel like they should be much stronger than they really are.
To take that thought further and include Newtons Laws of Motion - it's shown often that Ki attacks exert a force on anyone they hit, pushing them around. The third law of motion states (simply): anyone applying a force experiences an equal force in the opposite direction. To stop themselves flying backwards, they need to apply equal forces both forward and backward - one in the form of the Ki blast, and the other with their general flight ability. Any Ki blast that does not move the user is, at best, only half the users maximum output.
Uub is the good reincarnation of the final villain of the last arc, who Goku meets at the World Martial Arts Tournament. Remind you of anybody?
GT's main three villains share similarities to the three main villains of Z:
Baby: a conqueror from outer space with ties to the Saiyan race (like Frieza)
Super 17: An android created by Dr Gero (partially in this case) who absorbs another of Gero's androids to become stronger (Cell)
Omega Shenron: An unspeakably powerful force that threatens the universe just by existing, which not even fusion can defeat, and takes a spirit bomb powered by everyone Goku's met to destroy (Buu)
Even better than that, the original Dragon Ball's three villains followed a similar format:
Emperor Pilaf wanted to conquer the Earth by collecting the Dragon Balls. He was ultimately thwarted when Goku transformed into an Oozaru, just like how Frieza was defeated when Goku transformed into a Super Saiyan.
The Red Ribbon saga introduced the first android to make an appearance, #8. Dr. Gero was also the Red Ribbon Army's head scientist at the time.
King Piccolo was the embodiment of evil who was sealed away long ago, but was released back onto the Earth. In order to defeat him, Goku had to drink Korin's Ultra Divine Water (not to be mistaken for Korin's Sacred Water). King Piccolo was ultimately reincarnated into Piccolo Jr., who would fight Goku in the World Martial Arts Tournament. Sound familiar to anyone?
A mysterious character who appears around the start of their debut arc, who smirks in a way that makes them look evil, who ultimately has arrived to work against the real villain of the arc and has purple as their main color. Now, am I talking about Future Trunks or Supreme Kai?
After first displaying the Kamehameha attack, Roshi explained that it would take a human 50 years of training in order to accomplish the technique, but after seeing the attack only once, Goku was able to perform a much weaker version on his first try. As Dragon Ball Z would later show, Saiyans (and most other alien beings, it would seem) are able to use Ki attacks practically as second nature. So when Goku first used the attack, he was acting on his natural Saiyan instincts, allowing him to perform it with no prior training, unlike everyone else (sans Tien who has some sort of copying ability), who took months or years to be able to use the attack effectively. The human students were practically prodigies, but for Goku it was simple instinct.
Word of God says Tien is alien which helps further prove this theory.
On the contrary, disproving your theory is the fact that Yamcha and Krillin both used the Kamehameha without any specific training in learning how to use the move. Yamcha whipped it out unexpectedly during a tournament (which terrified Roshi, as he yelled and pleaded for Yamcha to not use it because he didn't think he could handle it) and actually created a very impressive wave that rivaled a devastating attack of Tien's. Krillin then also used the wave for the first time later in the same tournament with absolutely no training in learning the wave (which again terrified Rosh, who once again pleaded and yelled at Krillin to not use it because he didn't think he could handle it, either), and of course, yet again, Krillin's wave was very impressive for his first. Granted he used it as a distraction to get a sneak attack on Goku and the wave didn't faze Goku at all, but the wave was still fantastic for having no training using it. It's not an exclusive ability to Saiyans, we're just dealing with an extraordinary group of martial artists in this series. - E Bsessed
Note that Roshi made that comment after performing the MAX Power Kamehameha that destroyed a mountain by accident, not the regular and less powerful variant. That likely threw off the estimate.
A nice bit of musical foreshadowing during the beginning of the Android Saga: the music playing when Trunks briefly talks with Vegeta while waiting for Goku is the same one that plays during the Dragon Ball ZEye Catch featuring Goku and Gohan
Goku's ability to read minds seems to come out of nowhere, but reading the earlier parts of the series, its use seems to be a sign that the person's a great martial arts master. (Nam's comment to Master Roshi during the first Tournament Arc indicates this, as well as what Korin says when he first meets Goku) If Goku doesn't qualify as a master by this point, then who does?
Au contraire, my fellow troper. Goku's ability to read minds does not come out of nowhere. The earliest reference to his psychic abilities in the timeline is during Bardock: The Father of Goku when Bardock says "You see it too, don't you?" in reference to Goku when he was having visions of the future. The next time Goku shows psychic ability is during Dragon Ball after drinking the Ultra Divine Water, which nearly kills him. He awakens, having visions of the past, present, and future, and he has a sudden calm, clear understanding of things. The water has the ability to tap into one's hidden potential, similar to Guru's ability to unlock an individual's hidden potential, and when Goku drank it, the water awakened the dormant psychic ability lying within him. It's stated that if one does not have "the power within him," the water will kill him, which implies that it will kill anyone who drinks it and doesn't have hidden potential within them. Goku then develops this ability during his training in 100x gravity while traveling to Namek, as stated by him when he arrives and reads Krillin's mind, saying when Krillin asked how he got the ability to do so (paraphrasing; I don't have the quote on hand), "I don't know, I was training in 100x gravity and something happened. I suddenly had this strange new ability within me." All of this also explains why Goku saw Vegeta and Nappa in his nightmare in the Princess Snake episode of the Saiyan saga despite having not seen them himself yet, and why he also saw the Androids and their pink truck in his nightmare during the Unwelcome Discovery episode of the Androids saga despite having not seen them yet, either. - E Bsessed
Future!Trunks is normally quite pragmatic in killing his enemies, but takes time to fool around with Frieza and his army before finishing him off. Keep in mind that Trunks has spent nearly his entire life fighting to survive in a world besieged by two Androids he's completely powerless against. Frieza was probably the first enemy Trunks had ever faced that not only was evil enough to warrant killing, but that Trunks KNEW he was stronger than. He was taking out a lifetime of frustrations at feeling powerless on Frieza. He takes out King Cold quickly, possibly because, while we don't see it, King Cold may be able to transform and thus Trunks wanted to kill him before he did so on the offchance that King Cold's higher forms exceeded his.
Right at the beginning of the Buu Arc, Vegeta and Trunks are training, and Vegeta promises to take Trunks to the park if Trunks lands a punch on Vegeta. After Trunks does, Vegeta reflexively punches Trunks, and Trunks starts tearing up. Vegeta then yells at him for crying, starts to leave, then says they're going to the park, to Trunks' delight. Is this Vegeta keeping a promise as a warrior? No. Is this Vegeta doing something a father should do? Kinda. The real reason: he's seen his son die once before, as a result of his own mistake (Future Trunks vs. Cell, who Vegeta had a chance to stop long before then but didn't because of hubris), and whenever he realizes he's acting like an ass to Trunks, that image likely pops into his head, makes him remember how precious his son is to him, and genuinely makes him want to coddle Trunks a little (remember that to a Saiyan, being nice to a kid in any manner is probably "coddling").
Parenting is a struggle for those who grew up in abusive environments. Often the initial reaction to a child's behavior is the same reaction their parents would have. It takes a conscious effort to check that reaction and choose a different response. In a series with so many fantastic elements, Vegeta's efforts to be better than his father are poignantly real.
At first glance, cosmology in Dragon Ball makes zero sense. Planets have local Gods, Kami, whose only purpose seems to be training warriors and guiding heroic souls into the afterlife. In the afterlife heroic souls can meet with the Kaio of their galaxy for training. There are four Kaio, one for each of the four galaxies, and one Grand Kaio, who overlooks the living realm as a whole. Especially heroic characters can meet with Grand Kaio and spend eternity training with him. This makes no sense. They're dead, what are they training for? There is nothing for them to fight other than other dead heroes. The Kaioshin make things worse, as they do nothing but hang out on their planet. The entire thing seems incredibly inefficient until you remember one fact: Before the afterlife was properly introduced we met Uranai Baba, who revealed that every dead warrior can return to the realm of the living for 24 hours. With that in mind it all makes sense: The role of Gods in the universe is to prepare mortals to defend their own worlds. The Kamis scout their planet for warriors and prepare them for the afterlife, the Kaios train those warriors and when trouble starts up the warriors return to the mortal world and save it. The Kaioshin, who watch over both the living and dead realms, brief the great warriors in the case of a threat to the universe as a whole (as was the case of Majin Buu), not just the living world (which is the jurisdiction of the Kaio).
Alternatively, access to the world of the Kaio's could be like a warrior's paradise. Note that other characters when they die (Chi-Chi, Bulma, Videl) go to regular old Heaven, while the Z-Fighters go to the world of the Kaio. Hell, Lord Enma even gave Goku that opportunity when he first died. There was also one scene where an ogre tells Goku he's going the wrong way when he heads to the plane to take him to the Grand Kai's world, until he notices Goku still has a body, then he starts gushing about the honor to be around a warrior like him.
Also, it follows that since the Kai worlds are for heroes, that the heroes can visit anywhere in the heavenly realm that are below them.
Actually, according to Dragon Ball Kai, King Yemma is confused by Goku's request to train with his galaxy's Kai, claiming Goku was a shoe-in for Heaven. This tells me that access to the Kai planets is by request only.
"Four galaxies"? Four quandrants of ONE galaxy (a universe consists of millions or billions of galaxies, each with millions of stars). East, West, North and South kai just run ONE galaxy, with a boss above them. Presumably, either Supreme Kai is a boss of all galactic kais, OR there is an as-yet unseen god above THEM. King Yemma is the guy in charge of sorting out people for the Afterlife, similar to Hades or King Minos as portrayed in the Inferno. We know that Beerus is a destruction god, but so far, those are the only jobs we know of so far (beyond Zen'o, who is apparently Boss God of All the Multiverse.)
Well, Jaco says the universe is made up hundreds of thousands of galaxies, or maybe "countless", depending on Anime or Manga, so yes, that part of cosmology is true, but (east)Kaioshin says that before Majin Buu killed them there were five Daikaio/Grand Kais. So, going by four quadrant kais answering to one grand kai, that would be one grand kai for each galaxy, five out of...hundreds or thousands and or too many to bother counting. It could be that there are only five populated galaxies, or it could be that East Supreme specifically oversaw five Grand Kais, and assuming that was mirrored there are...twenty populated galaxies out of hundreds of thousands and or too many to bother counting? That's a lot of lifeforms from a human perspective, but celestially speaking most of the Dragon World, or at least universe seven, seems pretty lifeless.
Why did Pilaf and company wish for youth rather than world domination? Because Pilaf is well aware that wishing for world domination is worthless at this point- the dragon couldn't kill Goku and sons, and they'd just take it back. His solution? Wish for youth and hope to outlive them.
Raditz wanted to make Gohan into a true saiyan, and the irony is that Gohan did become a true saiyan warrior, far exceeding anything he imagined, but as a protector, not a murderer. He grew up on battlefields, fighting and winning wars even as a child. Likewise, producing a bunch of saiyan-human hybrids was Nappa's idea, to which Vegeta replied that the humans must be exterminated to prevent such a dangerous thing from happening, but Vegeta ultimately winds up carrying out that plan and only thereby effects the revenge against Freeza they both so longed for.
Vegeta berating Gohan about not training for seven years is not intended to belittle Gohan; rather, Vegeta is expressing disappointment in the first comrade he actually likes wasting his true potential. Raditz and Nappa annoyed him, and he only kept them around because they happened to be useful for the time being, but Gohan earned his respect.
Why did Goku stay on Namek and prolong his fight with Frieza when he could've left with the others when Dende used the last wish when he could've beaten him numerous times before? So he can make Frieza, a genocidal tyrant, feel the same feeling of helplessness and despair that he had caused millions, if not billions of people and planets. To let him know what it's like to not be able to do anything and that his life could end at any moment just like he had destroyed the lives of others. He prolonged the fight and even let him go up to 100% power to let him know that it wasn't enough. So he could experience the same pain and terror he had inflicted onto others so he'd know what he's put them through. Frieza had been broken by the end of their fight with his pride shattered and his belief in his invincibility gone. Just goes to show that even Goku can be cruel.
Biers, god of destruction, has proven himself to be the most powerful being in the Dragon Ball universe, with the exception of his mentor. Considering how destruction happens on a daily basis and can be easily repeated, that isn't surprising.
Cell didn't know the full extent of his own regenerative capabilities. He only knew from Piccolo that Namekians can regenerate as long as their heads remain intact, but Gero made some improvements with the genetic mash-up that is Cell. Even he was surprised when he came back From a Single Cell.
During the Budokai Tenkaichi, Roshi managed to defeat Goku through a crossed flying kick. As Roshi's body and legs were longer than Goku's, his harm was disminished so he was able to win. Then you think about how impractical it was as an attack: a flying kick is a big move, easy to dodge and counterattack. But Roshi was taking in account Goku's amazing ability to imitate his foe's moves, that he had been using during all the fight. Roshi used Goku's instinct against him. Genius.
It's a common question as to why Goten and Trunks are still little midget bastards in the Battle of Gods movie. Growth seems to vary from Saiyan to Saiyan, and, looking at Goku, the only full-blooded Saiyan we've seen grow from childhood to adulthood did this in spurts, he had random growth spurts at various points in his life, even at age 12, he wasn't much taller than Goten or Trunks who are about 12-13 as well in the Battle of Gods movie, and even Gohan seemed to have some erratic growth spurts, he was fucking NINE when he appeared as what we call "Teen Gohan". So...Saiyan growth is weird, 'nuff said.
To be fair, he was only nine in the manga. In the anime he was 11. That's not much better, but two years can give a kid a lot of time to grow.
It was confirmed in Jaco the Galactic Patrolman that Saiyans have longer childhoods than humans, staying cute and child-liked before spurting to their full adult height. Since Gohan, Goten, and Trunks are hybrids, their growth could be more erratic with Gohan growing in-between that of a human and a Saiyan while Goten and Trunks grow more closer to a purebred.
One thing to keep in mind also is that genes can skip a generation. Gohan bears a bit more facial resemblance to Chi-Chi, so it stands to reason that his mother's genes may have been more dominant in his case. Said genes include those of Chi-Chi's father, the Ox King, who is human, but is also quite tall and, in his prime, was very powerfully built. Notably at age 17-18 or so (16 in the manga) during the Buu Saga, Gohan - despite not being the voracious trainer his father was, has a naturally bulkier physical body. Compare Gohan, even in base form, to Goku at about the same age during the end of Dragon Ball. Sure, Goku had noticeably put on some muscle in his late teens, but Gohan, in terms of his physical body, looks closer to what Goku looked like well into adulthood in his 20s. This might be in part due to the Ox-King's 25% share of Gohan's DNA manifesting more strongly in Gohan than it did in Goten.
Another thing to note is that Gohan may be biologically a year older than his chronological age due to the time spent in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
Why does Master Roshi always wear sunglasses? Almost certainly so he can perv on women without being noticed!
It also aids his Jackie Chun disguise, as he doesn't wear shades. This is pointed out by Krillin when Roshi's glasses are broken in the Goku v Tien fight.
With the new reveal that the Kaioshin are the gods of creation who counterpart Beerus, the abilities of the Kaioshin, Kaio and lesser Kami to create objects as seen in the series (Clothes Beam!) suddenly make a lot of sense.
This also makes it likely that Fat Buu's candy creation abilities came from absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai.
In the Z series the Spirit Bomb seems to have a ridiculously poor success rate. Despite being established as a fight-winning ultimate move it only kills one of the three villains it's used against. Remember, however, the Spirit Bomb is ineffective against those with good hearts. This was established heavily, and it was even shown bouncing off harmlessly after hitting Gohan. No living being can ever normally be pure evil; no matter how many terrible things they had done, Vegeta and Frieza had to still have some amount of good in them, and that tiny fragment of good prevented the Spirit Bomb from actually killing them! This is also the reason why the Spirit Bomb was able to kill Buu - he had purged all good from himself in order to reach his maximum power. There was no tiny fragment of goodness left to protect him.
A simpler explanation: Goku couldn't turn Super Saiyan the first two times he used the Spirit Bomb. He was also worn out from over-using Kaio-ken both times, whereas with Buu he got a recharge from the Dragon Balls.
Battle of Gods, a usual topic of debate is the appearance of Super Saiyan God and how it sticks apart rather blatantly from the rest of the transformation line. However, in a certain light, it wouldn't make any sense to look otherwise. You all remember the Kaioken, right? The technique for powering up as held by the Kais, also known as gods? When Goku used it, the state manifested in reddening his form. As such, SSJG could be considered the logical conclusion to that form.
Also, despite the name "super saiyan god", it's not an extension or improvement of the super saiyan form the way 1, 2 and 3 are. Super saiyan used to be something saiyans could do, but was lost to the point it was a legend they were trying to bring back, Goku being the first in a thousand years. Super saiyan god was something they hadn't done in an even longer amount of time. The fact that it was even called "super saiyan" was just a result of history being corrupted into legend and the legend itself corrupting. This also explains why in the flashback super saiyan god disappears while Goku just powers down, it's possible super saiyan god was literally a created god with a limited lifespan, but the latter day saiyans, having no idea and used to transformations, caused it to manifest in Goku instead, believing that's how it should work. They made it connect to the super saiyan transformation, and the corrupted legend became reality.
Why was Raditz so much weaker than Nappa and Vegeta? Well, Saiyans get stronger after recovering from life-threatening injuries. Cowards like Raditz are unlikely to get those injuries. Vegeta and Nappa, on the other hand, had a lot of genuine courage, so it makes sense that they'd be stronger than him.
Beerus seems to have a Mood-Swinger personality, ranging from polite and friendly to Ax-Crazy when angered. However, remember he is the God of Destruction. Considering destroying stuff is his job it makes sense: he needs to destroy things when he's awake to keep the universe functioning properly, that's his duty, so what better way for him to do so than him having a Hair-Trigger Temper and very little restraint in how he expresses it? For a normal person, it's crazy, but he is the personification of destruction, it makes sense he wouldn't have a normal mental state. It's also possible that Beerus simply has a habit of losing control of himself for the same reasons and when he gets worked up he has trouble stopping until he burns off some energy. Remember the first thing he did after his fight with SSJG Goku was to apologize for ruining their party and letting himself get out of hand.
A lot of people are confused about the youthful appearance of Bulma's mother, but take a look at all of her appearances. She has the same facial expression in all but one and that one time she opens her eyes, they appear unnaturally slanted. Toriyama might be subtly alluding to a botox habit.
Piccolo's shoulder weights get bigger with each appearance. That's not Art Evolution, he's adding more weight so he can get stronger.
The same could be said for Vegeta. Prior to his battle with Goku, he starts out looking baby-faced. Then after taking the beating of his life several times within a short timespan, he looks much rougher. Most likely scenario is that he'd never taken any injuries serious enough to warrant his facial muscles hardening the way they did.
Due to the fact that Videl is pregnant with Pan, that means that the Super Saiyan God transformation occurs before Dragon Ball GT. Assuming you class both as canon, there is a perfectly valid reason as to why Goku never uses the God transformation: He can't. Plain and simple. Goku states before he fights Baby for the first time that his child form is no longer able to handle the power of a Super Saiyan 3. That being the case, then to even contemplate using Super Saiyan God would be probably be very dangerous. Once he reaches Super Saiyan 4, the fact that it has no time limit (relatively speaking) and he can use it independently without having to rely on help from the other Z fighters, makes it a superior option regardless of how much weaker it may or not be. Think of Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan 4 as similar to Super Saiyan Grade's 2 and 3, which as Cell points out when he beats up Trunks, the latter is the epitome of Awesome, but Impractical.
People claim that Frieza going from not even Super Saiyan level to being able to take on Super Saiyan God Goku with four months of training in Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F is completely unrealistic, but think about the plot from Frieza's perspective He is the last hope of his Intergalactic Organization, revived by the Dragon Balls but unable to fight, healed to full power by something, trains for four months straight, and then unlocks a Golden Super Form In his desire for revenge against Goku, Frieza has gone completely through what would normally happen to Goku in an arc of Dragon Ball Z. Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F is written as if Frieza was the protagonist of Dragon Ball Z. And of course, as Frieza makes a shitty protagonisthe fails despite his advantages.
In-Universe, Frieza says that he never trained a day in his life to get to where he is, with a base power exceeding a million. If Goku can reach a million when starting at a base power of 10, Frieza has possibly the largest untapped potential of any characters in the Dragon Ball universe.
Princess Snake. At first, she seems like a pointless anime filler villain to add some drama to Goku's run down Snake Way. But what did she try to do to Goku? She tried to seduce him and get him to lower his guard so she could eat him. What is Snake Way? It's a challenge for any warrior wanting to seek out King Kai to overcome as a test of strength. Princess Snake serves as a final test- a test of morality and withstanding temptation- immediately before the end of Snake Way and finally reaching King Kai.
More about Snake Way, it's longer than the planet Earth. There's no food, water or shelter. Anyone attempting to reach the end of it would die, either from starvation, dehydration or exposure... unless they are already dead! That's exactly why dead Goku never had the problems with Super Saiyan 3 that living Goku did. He never realized while running Snake Way or training in the after life that he was literally pushing himself to death.
During the Buu saga when Vegeta allows Babidi to turn him majin, Babidi is shocked that Vegeta can shrug off his control. It's easy to write that off as Vegeta's inherent stubbornness, but what did Vegeta spend most of his life doing? Working under the boot of an evil tyrant. When Vegeta screams that a saiyan always keeps his pride, he's tapping into the same anger and frustration that built up under Frieza. He's already lost much of his life working for one monster, nothing can make him submit to another.
Something noted first in the WMG section, but it makes so much sense it just has to go here. You know how Hercule kept saying Videl wasn't allowed to date anyone who couldn't beat him in a fight? Presumably this had kicked off as soon as she started to get interested in boys. While he would never publicly admit it, he knew there was exactly one boy in the world who fit that description and was anywhere near her age: the kid who really beat Cell. Thing is, though, he never actually found out that the kid's name was Gohanhe and the TV crew thought gohan (rice) was their lunch order. Later, he thought that everybody from the Cell Games was dead because they seemed to have dropped off the face of the planet, until they showed up at the Tournament 7 years later, and he doesn't recognize Gohan right away, either. Hercule was actually a Gohan/Videl shipper the whole time, but he didn't know it.
Why did Bulma kicked off her original search for the Dragon Balls to get herself a boyfriend? Think about it: she's the daughter of the richest man in the world, the younger sister of a famed science fiction author, and an Omnidisciplinary Scientist superior to her father in her teens. She wasn't just searching any boyfriend, but a boyfriend who wasn't a Gold Digger. Further hinted by the males she was truly attracted to: Yamcha fell for her before having any hint of Bulma's family or genius (remember, Bulma's case of expensive capsules, the one clue that could have given away her wealth, had been lost in a river, and Bulma never even implied that she had created the Dragon Radar herself) and wouldn't have cared anyway (as he himself said in his bandit days, power was too much of a hassle and if he wanted money he could just steal it), Vegeta is just too full of himself to care and could easily steal anything he wanted, and Goku (to whom Bulma had professed attraction before finding out of his engagement to Chichi) is just too nice to care.
Bad Lunch didn't become nicer because of some random event. Right before Lunch sneezed before him for the first time, Muten offered to teach her martial arts, saying it would be useful for the health of both her body and mind, and by the time of the Tenkaichi we see Bad Lunch as a Token Evil Teammate who's not as kill-happy as before. Lunch must have accepted his offer off-screen.
Goku also knocks Bad Lunch on her ass and (inadvertently) stops Roshi from groping her while she's at this disadvantage. She might have come to respect Goku's strength and strength of character.
Krilin defeating Chiaotzu through the power of math isn't just a gag, but a clear demonstration of the differences between Muten Roshi and Shen as teachers: Shen tells them they're the strongest and they should use violence to take what they want, Muten teaches them to be humble and how to get by without violence, with such teachings as how to plow a field and math.
Early on, Goku couldn't tell the difference between males and females without patting them on the crotch, yet he could tell that Upa was a boy without that. Strange? No: he saw that girls don't show their chests and Upa wore only an open jacket on it.
Despite the recent speculation about the Saiyans from Universe 6 that will be introduced in Super, it's highly unlikely that an Evil Goku/Kakarot will ever appear in official material.
For decades we've seen alternate timelines and continuities presented in official Dragon Ball lorewhether canon via the Trunks/Androids/Cell saga, filler, anime movies, GT, and many of the video games. Yet with the exception of Tullece, who just happens to look like Goku, none have even entertained the possibility of Evil Kakarot until Dragon Ball Xenoverse came along. Xenoverse introduced one of the easiest possible opportunities to see Evil Goku in Towa and Demigra's Villainous magic, used to take over and control anyone from prominent villains to Hercule Satan and even the Z-Fighters. But then they turn around and make it clear even Demigra can't possess a god, and since Goku had his ascension in Battle of Gods, he's immune to the Villainous magic. Godhood didn't have to equal immunity, though. Nothing about the God concept even hinted at this hypothetical scenario prior to Xenoverse. It was a deliberate creative decision designed to give Goku an out; they wanted to make people ask if Evil Goku was possible, just so they could say "Yeah, that's not happening." Dick move, right? But then again
There is a narrative reason why Akira, Toei, Namco, etc. are so hell bent on Evil Kakarot never happening in official material. The recently-added "Foil" entry under Goku's character page spells it all out. If we really want a Shadow Archetype or Evil Counterpart to Goku that badly, all we need is to look at Tullece. Or Raditz. Or Vegeta. Or Cell. Or Frieza. Or Majin Buu. Or Android 17. Or Beerus. Or Broly. And there's probably more where that came from when it comes to notable antagonists or tweeners who have enough similarities to Goku to make a comparison yet enough stark differences to define that he's purer of heart, more stable-minded, has done more to organically earn his strength, etc. Evil Goku is already a narrative device used to help define both Goku's character and that of the foes he and his friends face by showing what sets him apart from said foes. Of course they don't want to turn that into an actual character: doing so defeats the entire purpose.
The Universe 6 Saiyans are outright confirmed not to be producing an "Evil Goku" anyway, as not only are all the U6 characters different than anyone we've seen before, Cabbe explains that the U6 Saiyans are mercenaries of good, not evil.
Even Goku Black, the black-clad evil double of Goku seen in the Future Trunks saga of Dragon Ball Super, doesn't quite fall into the straightforward "Goku as a villain" stock trope. He calls Trunks "Saiyan" as if he himself isn't one and wears a green Potara-like earring as well as possesses a Ring of Time. He seems to be able to actively manipulate smoke clouds in ways no one else has been seen doing to this point in the series, and his eyes glow a bright menacing rednote in Dragon Ball, red glowing eyes are usually reserved for one of four uses; intentionally-vague "flashback" scenes, Shenron or a counterpart granting a wish, or as an indicator of demonic activity and/or brainwashing when he's covered under smoke. Indeed, he may not even be a Saiyan at all. He does away with the smoke tactic after his face is shown on-screen, but is still vastly different from Goku due to his Kai artifacts, no-nonsense murderous snobbishness, and an Ax-Crazy belief in his own Omniscient Morality License to declare that Humans Are the Real Monsters similar to that of a rogue Supreme Kai apprentice named Zamasu in Universe 10. Then it turns out that he (A) is tag team partners with the version of Zamasu from Trunks' future, and (B) is an alternate version of present Zamasu himself who successfully kills his master to become a Kai, wishes on the Super Dragon Balls to steal Goku's body, and kills Goku and his family in cold blood before recruiting his future self. He's not so much "the anti-Goku" as opposed to "a Satanic Archetype who successfully pulled a permanent Ginyu."
Vegeta's callous attitude towards the deaths of his fellow Saiyans feels counter-productive given that they're near-extinct, but that's exactly how mass-consuming lifeforms function in any given ecosystem. If Saiyans didn't have such Darwinian attitudes towards each other, they'd find themselves facing a famine, so it's only natural that Vegeta would rather be the last of his race than have to starve with his weaker comrades.
Why doesn't Goku ever appear to age, despite the series going through a few decades? He was dead for a whole year at first, presumably not aging because the dead can't age, and then another 7 years. That's a whole 8 years where Goku hasn't aged whatsoever, hence why he hasn't shown any signs of his actual age. On top of that, as was explained during the Buu saga, Saiyans age far slower than humans anyway, so he's had two anti-aging cheat codes in his favor.
Dr. Gero's ability to create killer robots, augmented humans, and bio-android creatures capable of dwarfing a baseline Super Saiyan and pre-Resurrection F Freeza, at the time thought to be the most powerful beings in the universe, using only basic Earth technology, seems to be preposterous at first. However, it's become a building block to foreshadow two facts critical to understanding future developments in the Dragon Ball franchise. First, the power scale in the universe is exponentially leagues beyond what even the Saiyans and Freeza had achieved at the time. Second, the vast technological potential of Dragon World Earth's natural elements, which Bulma and her father already showed with the Dragon Radar, the capsules, and chronologically later on the Time Machine (which future media confirms is a violation of even divine natural law), can even be used to harness some of this same grand power, making the Insignificant Little Blue Planet far more important than it would appear. Goku and Vegeta are able to overcome Gero's creations, become strong enough to defeat Kai-killing universal threat Majin Buu, and become Physical Gods capable of giving Beerus the God of Destruction a good fight and even defeating Freeza by attrition when he finally trains and reaches that same level of power. For reference, Beerus and Buu were the two creatures that pre-training Freeza was told by his father to never mess with. Bulma is able to look at a force field that a god-attendant used her powers to create capable of containing the reach of many ultra-powerful fighters including said Physical Gods, and then do a pretty good (albeit imperfect) job of imitating that herself using Earth technology.'
Goku expresses disgust when Yajirobe kills and eats Cymbal. Yet, Vegeta and Nappa are seen eating enemies they've just killed. Amazingly as it sounds, by Saiyan standards Goku is a Picky Eater!
Muten Roshi's rarely used grappling skills are a hint to his ability as a master: pretty much all fighters use some form of Kenpō and are striking-focused, so they find themselves out of their depht when confronted with grappling moves, allowing to him to counter otherwise-superior opponents, as shown by him casually manhandling Tenshinhan when he came too close in their fight.
That also explains how and why Goku whips out a Boston Crab when fighting Tenshinhan: he wasn't taught any move by the Turtle Hermit, but his first teacher was another of his students who may have learned the skills, or at least the idea, from him, and Goku, after not using them out of personal preference, saw how effective they were against that same opponent-and indeed, the Boston Crab almost wins him the fight.
They're also used in the 23rd Tenkaichi to show Tenshinhan's growth during the timeskip: at one point during their rematch, Goku whips out the grappling moves again starting from the Boston Crab, but Tien this time holds his own and manages to keep Goku from completing the Boston Crab.
The passing of the torch at the end of the Cell arc (temporary though it may have been) is even more poignant when you take into account Cell's genetic makeup. Specifically, he is a combination of the last three arc villains (Piccolo, Vegeta and Freeza) that was created by the story's first true Arc Villain, the Red Ribbon Army. By killing Cell and saving the world Gohan not only takes his father's place as savior of the world, he does it by defeating all of the major enemies Goku defeated in his lifetime. It's the ultimate rite-of-passage.
In the 21st tournament two of Krillin's past bullies from the Orinji Temple, who had not made it to the finals, mock Giran, who did make it, for drinking milk and not alcohol... When Giran is about to have his fight with Goku in a few minutes: it was a hint that Giran, for how boorish he acted, was a better martial artist than the two monks and smarter than he looked, as he would not drink something that was going to dull his reflexes before a fight but something that gave him some energy.
In his fight with Tien in the 23rd Tournament, Tao Pai Pai is both unable and unwilling to attack until his opponent's stance doesn't show at least one opening. He's also an assassin with a stated preference for one-hit kills... And Tien's stance had no openings that could be used for these.
How was Goku able to figure out the weaknesses of Tien's Multi-Form Technique while being attacked by it when the smarter Piccolo could not while he was watching their fight? Easy: Goku, differently from Piccolo (and the other spectators), is used to fighting groups of opponents from his battles against the Red Ribbon, and tracking four opponents on an open ring at short distance is easier than tracking hundreds or even thousands of soldiers in the middle of various terrains (including the urban terrain of their HQ) at all kinds of distances, so after the initial surprise he could just fall back on those old instinct to keep up with the four Tiens while he analyzed their strengths and weaknesses. In a way, Goku was by far the worst possible opponent on Earth for such a technique.
Related to it, Nappa has little trouble keeping up with Krillin and Piccolo when they use a similar technique against him in an anime filler. As he conquered planets for a living, Nappa was even more used to fight multiple weaker opponents, as his job required him to face entire armies on a regular basis.
Why there's so few senzu from Z onward when it was previously shown Karin had a large supply? Easy: Yajirobe started living at Karin's.
Why does Goku send Trunks out to search for the Dragon Radar while he goes to stall Buu? 1) Goku is the only one left strong enough to stall Buu. 2) Trunks lives at Capsule Corp, and so wouldn't get lost in the building and know where the Radar might be (Goku only visited the place once over a decade prior). And 3) Mr. and Mrs. Briefs don't have a high enough battle power for him to use Instant Transmission to warp to.
Remember how Chi-Chi didn't want Gohan to fight? It makes a lot of sense when you consider that she had to watch her fiancé get brutally tortured and nearly killed in what was supposed to be a low-stakes competition. She was probably traumatized deep down.
When you look at Majin Buu as a character and a design, he incorporates elements from all of the manga's previous Big Bads, which makes sense considering he's the manga's Final Boss:
Character: Like King Piccolo, he's a demon that was sealed away long ago and is released by a foolish Big Bad Wannabe that he quickly supplants. He comes from space like the Saiyans and Piccolo and was initially subjugated by someone he had no loyalty to like Vegeta. Like Frieza, he's a universal terror that has destroyed many planets and is so powerful that even the gods fear him. Like Cell, he has regenerative abilities that make him very difficult to kill, can absorb others into himself to get stronger, and was someone else's powerful creation until his origin was retconed. Finally, Kid Buu is killed and reincarnated like King Piccolo while Fat Buu reforms through befriending someone like Piccolo Junior did.
Design: Buu's antenna is reminiscent of King Piccolo's/Piccolo Junior's antennae, his "ears" are identical to final form Frieza's, and like Cell, his base forms lack certain facial features that he gains when he absorbs people. Super Buu and Kid Buu also wear wrist and shin guards that make them "armored" to some extent like the Saiyans are.
If you thought Omega Shenron was dangerous, imagine the evil counterpart of the black starred Shenron.
Boss Rabbit was left on the moon after he was defeated. A little later Roshi blows up the moon, presumably with the rabbits still living on it.
Piccolo blows up the moon again early in Z to stop a rampaging Gohan. That means Dragon Ball's Earth must have at least two moons, possibly more.
Dragon Ball's Earth only has a single moon. During Goku's training in the Lookout, Kami restored the moon after he made sure Goku's tail would never grow back.
In a game on the DS (Attack of the Saiyans, an adaption of Kai's Saiyan Saga), Boss Rabbit and his gang show up, explaining they somehow got off the moon before it was destroyed.
The Capsules. Ranging from practical (cars and house), to threatening (Launch being able to carry an entire armory of guns in her POCKET) to more horrorific things like being able to hide dead bodies inside capsules (as Bulma does to Krillin after his first death, and later Master Roshi and Chiaotzu. If Bulma can easily place Krillin's body in a freezer capsule, turn the freezer into a capsule with HIM inside, you have to wonder how many potential unsolved murders there are. Presumably you could hide LIVING people inside a capsule. If not by simply pressing the button with them inside while they're alive, killing them, placing the body in a capsule, shrinking the capsule, and then resurrecting them with the Dragon Balls, without taking the body out. Given the accessibility of capsules in-universe, this could be done just about ANY DAY of the week.
Let's also consider the thought that not only could the capsules hold a living person, but multiple people. One person could carry an entire gang of armed soldiers into any place they want.
And suddenly, the ludicrously high crime rate of West City makes sense.
Pretty much every villain starting with Vegeta wanted to use the Dragon Balls to gain immortality, which means that they wouldn't be able to be killed. Sounds all nice and dandy until you think of Frieza's reaction if Vegeta had succeeded. Can anyone say endless cycle of pain? Suddenly, immortality doesn't sound so great.
IIRC, Garlic Jr. got his immortality. Didn't work out so well for him.
However, Saiyans grow in power whenever they survive a fatal experience, so Vegeta could have just withstood Frieza's punishment until he was powerful enough to fight back.
He became Super Saiyan from feeling extreme rage after he hit a plateau of the Can't Catch Up variety. An immortal Vegeta still at Frieza's mercy could easily replicate that.
In Dragon Ball Z, there is a problem from a Filler where Buu (after killing everyone on Earth and destroying the planet) also destroyed at least one other planet with intelligent life on it. Later, they wish Earth back into existence and then revive every good person killed by Buu. Fridge Horror when you realize all those Aliens who were brought back to life... only to be floating in space to die horribly again.
Furthermore, there are all those islands Cell blew up when looking for 18. When the people inhabiting those islands were revived, they'd just reappear in the middle of the ocean, and presumably drown.
When the others gathered the Dragon Balls after the Cell Games, they wished for everyone killed by Cell to come back to life... leaving all those killed before by Vegeta and Dr. Gero dead.
And Piccolo tried to buy time by telling Buu to kill off all the inhabitants of the Earth. They weren't planning on using the Namekian Dragon Balls at this point (they didn't even know that would work on such a large scale), so that means that anyone who had previously been killed by Vegeta or Cell and then revived couldn't be revived. Piccolo was either that jaded or that desperate that he offered to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of people that the Dragon Balls couldn't save.
He was desperate. The decision was clearly an agonizing one for him - which goes to show just how far he's come, given that he once wanted to do the exact same thing.
Some of the OVA movies like Lord Slug which are thought to be set in an alternate timeline, where Goku got to the battle with Vegeta and Nappa earlier so that none of the Z-Fighters died, and therefore they never made the trip to Namek. This means that nobody was around to stop Frieza, who presumably wiped out the remaining Namekians. Does that mean Frieza is immortalin those universes?
It's quite possible that Freeza, being Freeza, ended up killing Guru during in his search for the Dragon Balls, rendering their powers void, and his mission meaningless. Of course, this theory has the major flaw of "Why didn't he just go to Earth and take theirs, then?", which could be Fridge Horror in and of itself.
But if none of the Z-Fighters died, they would have no reason to plan a trip to Namek, meaning Frieza never overheard their plans to go, meaning he never went there, either.
Still leaves Frieza with his galaxy-spanning empire where he's free to kill and destroy anyone he comes across, and might end up on Namek eventually anyway.
Cui told Vegeta that Frieza overheard the two Saiyans talk about the Dragon Balls over the Scouters. If Goku was on time to save everyone from the Saiyans, Vegeta would have never had the chance to talk about them, so Frieza would not know.
Snap back to Fridge Horror. They are all going to be wiped out by the androids in a few years. Trunks isn't coming back in time to warn them, because in this timeline, Trunks doesn't exist. Maybe Goku doesn't get sick in this timeline, but it doesn't matter, because he simply wouldn't be strong enough to defeat them if he wasn't training constantly for three years.
Frieza and King Cold wouldn't have any reason to come to Earth, and so Dr. Gero wouldn't have the opportunity to scan their power and the androids would only be as strong as Kaioken Goku. The Z-Fighters would still be at a severe disadvantage though, since Piccolo never fused with Nail and neither Gohan or Krillin ever got their innate strength unlocked by Guru.
In the Buu saga, Videl accidentally kicked an opponent's head so hard it snapped his neck. Now remember she's on the weak end of the cast, with even the little kids far exceeding her power. You start to realize just how much power these characters have and are holding back.
We get an example out of Goku. In the new Battle of Gods movie, while fighting Beerus, he PUNCHED through King Kai's planet (which has 10x gravity therefore far denser than Earth, and apparently has all its mass), not a special technique or anything, just a mere punch. In other words, Goku has the potential to destroy or at least seriously damage the Earth in a single punch.
The fillers before the Cell Games seem like Heartwarming Moments... until you realize that Goku's putting the entire fate of the world on his own son, who a) might not be able to gather up enough energy to destroy Cell, and b) might not even want to fight Cell!! This, after he told everyone that even he would be utterly destroyed by Cell! He was really, really lucky Gohan was able to do both (a) and (b) otherwise the world would have been really, really screwed.
The world was screwed if Gohan couldn't defeat Cell, and that's the point of all that heartwarming filler. Goku's not a complete idiot - the potential for failure was there, so he wasn't about to waste what time they had left. Goku's Saiyan love of battle may have been lost in Gohan's human heritage, but his desire to protect life certainly was not.
Elder Kai warns our heroes that irresponsible use of the Dragon Balls could badly upset the balance of nature and cause terrible cataclysms. Wasn't planet Namek all but destroyed by natural disasters in Guru's time?
The Dragon Balls can also be said to be responsible for how jaded the Z-Fighters become towards death later on. Remember Piccolo offering up the remaining lives of the people on Earth to Buu to pass time for Goten and Trunks to train? "We can just wish them back with the Dragon Balls". It is not only potential cataclysms over-use of the Dragon Balls will invite; it also invites a desensitization to death.
The AU story Episode of Bardock ends on a positive note as Bardock rescues the people of Plant by ascending to become the first legendary Super Saiya-jin and defeating Chilled. However, this begs the question of how his actions affected the future within that specific timeline. Do the Saiya-jin wind up colonizing another world or do they still wind up on Planet Plant? If it's the latter, did he inadvertently contribute to the conquest of Plant by making the people there think Saiya-jin could be trusted?
Pretty sure they still wind up on Plant, as the end of the movie has Chilled ordering that his descendants be told of the golden transformation, meaning he's responsible for Frieza's intense fear of the legend.
Which leads to fridge horror in itself if we're to believe this story as canon. Bardock's actions in the past caused the genocide of his people.
Buu's murder of Smitty. Asshole Victim indeed, but look at how big he expands while Buu is forcing it's way into his mouth. He should have died in seconds, but then you remember that Buu can heal people. He was forcing Smitty to stay alive for as long as possible to prolong his horror and agony.
This is a rather small moment, but when Goku teleported to the Lookout to get a Senzu Bean for Videl after her disastrous fight with Spopovitch, he ended up delayed in a task that should have taken him seconds, due to the fact that he stopped to eat - not because he couldn't have eaten at the tournament, but because the food at the Lookout was better. Granted, Videl's life was not in danger, and the whole thing was treated as comedy, but that doesn't change the fact that Goku prioritized stuffing his face over ending the suffering of a teenage girl who also happened to be his son's girlfriend. Given that Goku was always held up as the perfect compassionate hero and a Friend to All Living Things, this scene comes across as positively chilling when one stops to think about it.
Or (and this is both Fridge Brilliance and Fridge Horror depending on your POV) this is just a natural consequence of being fully aware that Death Is Cheap. There are two sets of Dragon Balls that are easily obtainable and have resurrected almost everyone he knows, the Senzu Bean and Dende can heal anything barring death or serious disease like the heart virus, and he is fully aware that the afterlife exists and that Videl will probably be going to Heaven. Friend to All Living Things he may be, but that doesn't stop him from becoming jaded to something that hasn't mattered since arguably the end of the original Dragon Ball series.
This one concerns the characters from Dr. Slump. We all remember the episode where Goku wound up in Penguin Village, right? So, we could assume that both Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball shared the same universe, right? Now, remember Super Buu's Genocide Attack? Since that attack tracks down every human on Earth, that means almost every one in Penguin Village (save for Arale and a couple others) are killed off. And to twist the knife even further, Kid Buu later destroys Earth so every character from Dr. Slump is now dead. Granted, Goku wished everybody back, but could Shenron bring robots like Arale and Obotchaman back to life?
No, no they couldn't have. As Arale and Obatchaman aren't technically living beings. Remember when everyone killed by the androids and Cell were revived? Android 16 wasn't brought back because he technically wasn't a living being. The reason Arale and Obatchaman WOULD be brought back though is because Porunga not only brought back Earth, he restored it EXACTLY the way it was on the day of the World Martial Arts Tournament, this includes fixing buildings and MACHINERY! So Arale and Obatchaman as well as every other robot were the first beings brought back after Kid Buu destroyed Earth, which brings about some more minor fridge horror: after that wish, Dende still thought Nameks Dragon Balls COULDN'T bring back everyone on Earth, which could've lead to a Robot Uprising Utopian Society.
Not exactly, since the robots would only be in control for a few months. If they couldn't revive everybody with one wish, then they would have used their second wish to revive Gohan and their third to bring him to the Planet of the Kais. Dende is still alive, and with the Earth restored, so were the Dragon Balls, albeit, still needing recharge time, and Gohan could beat Kid Buu, especially with help available. After 130 days, they would use the Namekian balls again to revive Vegeta, Krillin, and Trunks (the first two were revived by Shenron once before, and it would be best not to take the chance that reviving the time-traveling Trunks used up this Trunks' one revival). Then, once the Earth's Dragon Balls have recharged, revive everyone killed by Babidi or Majin Buu. This wouldn't help the ones who were killed by Vegeta, Cell or King Piccolo, but it would revive most of the population. Tien then reminds them that they forgot about Chaotzu, so Goku and Tien go to New Namek one last time revive Chaotzu and also Master Roshi.
This is mostly discussing how screwed Frieza was: Goku never died on Planet Namek, and was always stronger than Frieza (as opposed to the English dub, which claimed that he was temporarily outclassed and was killed and revived by Porunga). However, he uttered a line that suggested that, as mentioned above, he could easily destroy a planet with a punch. He said that he was waiting for everyone else to be removed from the planet before going "all out." This means that he may have simply been playing with Frieza for the whole fight and that, had he been using his full strength, the battle wouldn't have gone on.
Adding to this, it's fully possible that Goku could have used the Super Kaioken ability on Namek should push have come to shove, doubling his power at least, at which point Frieza could never hope to keep up. In other words, Frieza never stood a chance from the start, unless his hypothesis was right that Goku couldn't breathe in space a hypothesis that in and of itself faces scrutiny. Considering now that Goku's power level could have shot up to 300,000,000 for moments, and it's possible he could survive the planet's explosion in some way, this troper feels that Goku really was overcome by animosity towards Frieza and only prolonged his suffering just to physically and psychologically torture him. That's the brutal nature of a recently-procured Super Saiyan transformation!
Kaioken puts strain on the user's body, even at just double power. I don't think Goku wanted to risk burning his body out by doubling his Super Saiyan power when he didn't have Super Saiyan fully under control. In fact, the only time we see Goku use Super Kaioken is during the filler Tournament in the afterlife, years after Goku has fully mastered his Super Saiyan powers. As such, it's very possible that Goku would have destroyed his body if he used Super Kaioken against Frieza, since not only has he already used Kaioken repeatedly against Frieza, he's also taken a lot of damage during the fight.
During the filler fight between Buu and Vegetto before the latter goes Super Saiyan. Buu creates a giant energy sphere in an attempt to destroy the Earth but before tossing it, he states that every time he has destroyed a planet, he was taken a piece of that planet's energy and the energy sphere he has made to kill Vegetto is the collective energy of all the planets he has destroyed. If the filler is to be considered canon, then Buu's rampage across the universe would make him truly invincible and considering that he can distort reality, would make him a god capable of killing all reality.
And if this is true, when Super Buu regressed into Kid Buu and destroyed Earth, then doing so just made him stronger before he fought Goku. The worst part; Earth's destruction was inevitable because 1) Goku would need time to transform into SS 3 which he was lucky to do while fighting someone like Kid Buu. 2) the Earth would not be able to handle the power output generated by them fighting there.
Given what we now know about the Saiyan's Zenkai ability, it's entirely possible that the Ultra Divine Water really was just poison.
Yajirobe was right!
Given that Baba realized Goku was the figure of a prophecy about a pure heart having boy who would save the Earth, and that Korin said the divine water only kills those that don't have the power within them, it could very well be that not only was it poison, but that it was intended for a saiyan.
Vegetto only managed to remain conscious thanks to being so damn powerful.
Nope, in the anime at least, we hear the screams of some of Buu's candy victims and at one point Krillian angrily demands a flippant North Kai to answer if he has any idea how horrible it was to be eaten.
During the Androids Saga, Trunks briefly flashes back to a moment in his future, in which the Androids bust into a safety bunker armed with guns and presumably massacre several people. There was always one thing that bothered this troper: why were the almighty Androids just using guns? They could blow up entire city blocks with ki blasts, so what on earth do they need comparatively pitiful human weapons for? And then you stop and think about the nature of Trunk's Androids, and it makes all makes horrible sense: They were all for making the annihilation of all humans a game. They were probably using guns to make the game more challenging and much longer.
There's some fridge horror in Seventeen and Eighteen's names. We know they were originally human, and almost certainly wouldn't have been named Android Number Seventeen, and Android Number Eighteen. We also know they hated Gero, and rebelled against him. So why is it they always use the numbers he assigned to them? That even after she marries Krillin, he still only calls her Eighteen? Whatever Dr. Gero did to the twins either made them forget their own names, or made them feel so distanced from their previous lives that they no longer feel any reason but to use the names he assigned them.
Word of God says their human names were actually Lapis (Seventeen) and Lazuli (Eighteen). This piece of Fridge, likely running around in people's heads for years, can pretty much be considered canon at this point.
To a point. People of all cultures have an irritating habit of giving their kids names that are just random words in another language. To people who don't know what those words mean, they're just pretty foreign words that have a ring to them.
The point isn't "look how weird those names are", though. It's the fact that they never use them, implying how badly Dr. Gero's experiments must have affected them mentally.
Lapis lazuli is a blue metamorphic rock. It's a Meaningful Name because the blue eyed twins were turned into killer androids. If Lapis or lazuli are numbers in another language, then that's just a Punny Name on top of it, just like Kamehameha is a Hawaiian name that has a completely different but equally valid meaning in Japanese.
Given that Beerus is canonically capable of destroying galaxies and that his sun-like energy ball is supposedly his strongest attack, it follows that even if Goku had actually deflected it, he still wouldn't have saved the Earth from the blast radius. (Is it possible that he actually knew this and was trying to absorb it all along?)
What would've happened if Cell came after Majin Buu? That means, in addition to having Frieza's cells, he'd have Buu's as well. Let that thought sit in you for a while.
Assuming Majin Buu is made of organic matter and not magic bubblegum.
From all we've seen of Buu, that prospect is even more terrifying.
Buu's incorporated organic beings into his makeup through absorption, so it would be moot.
There's this video game called Dragon Ball Fighterz, that answers this question, and the result is not pretty. Well, it wouldn't have been if said scenario happened immediately after Buu. Luckily for the protagonists, it's well into Dragon Ball Super before it happens.
During Vegeta's fight with Perfect Cell, Trunks accuses him of using too much energy that will surely destroy the planet. In the Final Flash's aftermath, Trunks realizes Vegeta was able to focus most of his energy on Cell, leaving Earth relatively unharmed (indeed, the rockets that launch the space shuttle probably leave more collateral damage despite Vegeta's attack traveling much faster). The scary thing is, this concept was explained by King Kai back when he taught Goku the Spirit Bomb. Trunks, even when too weak to stop 17 and 18, was still several hundred times more powerful than Goku was then. The basic techniques that keep the planets intact, Trunks apparently lived his whole life to that point without knowing them, making him a potentially bigger threat to all life than the Androids through sheer ignorance. In fact, after he achieved his ultra-muscular grade Super Saiyan transformation, if Cell had been of near-equal rather than superior in overall power Trunks would've more likely destroyed the Earth than Cell! Of course, Vegeta would know this because he wasn't in the business of destroying planets, but wiping out their native populations and selling them to the highest bidder.
Even though Frieza is downgraded to a joke villain from the Androids saga onwards, really, when you think about all the implications of his powers, he's terrifying. As stated in Resurrection F, Frieza has never had to train so much as a day in his life before; all that power we see in the Namek saga? That's just natural talent and fighting instincts. Then, In Resurrection F, after only training for four months, Frieza manages to raise his power level to the point he can actually pose a decent challenge to Goku in Super Saiyan GOD form, which is currently Goku's ultimate form. It took Goku years of training against some of the most powerful fighters around and defeating big-name bad guys like Majin Buu and Beerus to unlock this state, and then Frieza manages to pump himself up to threat level for it in a less than half a year. Just how powerful could Frieza get if he actually trained anywhere near as hard as Goku does?
Ginyu's ability to body switch is unblockable because the Z-fighters were caught off guard the first time and have never encountered another technique like it before or since, which makes developing countermeasures difficult. Its hard to believe that Frieza would not have a defence against it given how long they have worked together or that he wouldn't keep Ginyu away from him at all times given the risk. Frieza is prideful, not stupid. The other problem is that we simply do not know enough about how it, it may not even work on someone as powerful or as biologically different as Frieza.
The What an Idiot page goes on and on about the mistake about saving Dende and Hercule and not Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo. However, think about that situation critically. No Dende means no Dragon Balls and no Hercule means no Spirit Bomb or Good Buu's return. And despite all their great power, the kids have flaws that would cause them to fall to Kid Buu. Between Gohan's sadistic tendencies at full power and Gotenks' childish arrogance, they could easily find themselves toying with Kid Buu and giving him enough time to heal back to full strength and kill or even absorb them due to his Physical God status and Healing Factor that puts Cell's to shame, or worse yet, causing his temper to flare up and kill everyone out of rage all things the slightly more composed Super Buu has either successfully or nearly done on several occasions. Meaning, if Goku had saved his family, he would havedoomed the universe.
At the very least, even without the benefit of hindsight, saving Dende was critical. Even if the dragon balls were lost with the Earth, he could still negotiate with those on Namek if their holders proved uncooperative. Besides him, Goku would be the only option and he's one of the three beings capable of holding off Buu if the need arises, so he might not have the time.
When he thought Goku had been killed by King Piccolo, Yajirobe considered eating him. He also thought Goku was human. Did he ever eat people?
Dr Gero's mosquito robots took DNA from every major arc except for the Namek arc, and Freeza/King Cold when they arrived to Earth. Cell, the product of this, is one of the most daunting foes the Z-Fighters have faced and inherited all their techniques. Had Dr Gero manage to follow them to Namek, he would've had accessed to Guldo's DNA and thus his time-stop. And since Cell doesn't need to breathe, the only thing limiting Guldo's power (having to hold his breath) is gone and can use it as long as he wishes. You know how The World is a terrifying ability the heroes were barely able to overcome? Now imagine a foe that lacks Dio's time limit.
Vegeta was just a few second from getting his wish for immortality before the Grand Elder died. The thought of a still evil Vegeta becoming unkillable is bad enough, but you have to wonder how it would affect his Zenkai boosts. Would being torn apart and magically resurrecting because of his immortality count as a near-death blow? If Cell, who's already all but immortal, still gets Zenkai boosts from being eradicated, it probably would.
By the time he was in his Perfect form, Cell was already stronger than any of the Z-Fighters and it took SSJ2 Gohan to take him down; and like Frieza, he's never trained a day in his life. He also has Frieza genes and thus his potential, combined with potential from the cells inherited from other Z-Fighters. Thought Golden Frieza was powerful? Imagine what Cell could become if he trained for four months. Hell, even if he trained during the nine-day wait for the Cell games(or just decided to call things off so he could reach his potential)? Like with Frieza, the universe is really lucky Pride is his Fatal Flaw.
Cell has techniques, but not power. He had to gain that by draining people and absorbing androids. Still, a Cell dedicated to training could likely achieve something similar to Freeza's golden form. It may take him longer, probably on a timescale much closer to the saiyans, but considering unlike the saiyans and Frieza, Cell can regenerate and multiform, he could shorten the gap a little.
More like Fridge Sadness, but the dragon's limitations on resurrections, like how they can't have been dead for more than a year and can't have died of natural causes, are not widely known. Which means that in their history, probably at least one person set out to find the balls to bring back a loved one...but without the Dragon Radar it might have taken years or even decades, and then when they finally summoned the dragon...it was too late.