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Fridge Horror

  • If Edith did move to Germany, her life might be in peril in a decade or two, due to her maternal grandfather having been Jewish.
    • Things clearly aren't going so well for Gregson in Germany, since he's apparently had a run-in with some thugs who wear Brown Shirts...
      • All three of the children are screwed when WWII comes. Unfortunately, George is even more screwed than his cousins because he'd be fighting in the war and can end up in a concentration camp. A 1/8th Jewish person in a concentration camp — this is not good. Any Jewish blood was, to the Nazis, bad.
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    • The introduction of Atticus, Rose's husband, who is Jewish, will also likely cause problems if there is ever a sequel series or movie that includes the WWII era(not unreasonable, considering the many time skips in the show). Will he become a target?
  • After discovering that the nanny originally hired to look after George and Sibby blatantly hated Sibby because her father was an Irish chauffer, it suddenly makes everything she did earlier look much creepier. Her ordering Thomas to not talk to Sibby initially seemed like her being overprotective and his refusal to pass along the message to not give Sibby an egg with tea ("Why shouldn't she have an egg with her tea?") came across as his usual jerkishness, but it makes one wonder if the nanny had been trying to isolate the poor kid and begin starving her.
    • Could also be an example of Nice To Waiter being true. Someone being rude to their inferiors is a warning sign of their character, and it was not just "coincidence" Cora caught Nanny being mean; she was cruel all the time, and it showed in those red flags. Although Thomas was probably upset about being treated rudely by the Nanny on personal grounds, he also knows that is not how the Crawleys treat their inferiors and not the values they want being passed on to their kids.
    • It's likely both; Thomas doesn't like the way the nanny treats him largely because he doesn't appreciate being treated that way, and if she was polite and friendly he might not have bothered... but he's also historically been fond of Sybbie, and her nanny forbidding him from even talking to the child of a woman he respected would have made him furious for entirely different reasons. His tone when he asks indignantly why Little Sybil shouldn't have an egg just like George is very different from his usual manipulative politeness, which hints at him being genuinely protective.

Fridge Brilliance

  • Sybil had told Tom she wished she knew how to fix an engine. Its a clever way of her to express her need to be free. If only she knew how to drive and fix a car, she'd hop in and drive away from Downton and finally be free to be her own woman.
  • The TWoP thread for Downton mentioned how Robert and Cora lack parenting skills. This makes sense when you consider that the people that raised them wouldn't have been their parents, but rather a Nanny.
  • A lot of viewers talk about how sweet Mary's affection for Anna despite their difference in rank is. In fact, the friendship likely only exists because Anna is a servant: Mary, who is the type of woman who sees women of her own age and rank as competition, was able to open up to Anna because she isn't a threat.

Fridge Logic

  • How exactly did the prosecutors know specifically which servants had been eavesdropping on Mr. Bates?
    • The prosecutor mentioned Mr. Bates gave reports to police. It's unlikely he'd have been anything other than honest and thorough. He likely mentioned that Mrs. Hughes and Miss O'Brien knew things about the situation.
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    • Handing them that information, though, does seem to have put Bates into Too Dumb to Live territory-almost literally.
    • Referring to the quote on the main page ("we all have different parts,etc."): What a load of crock. If you don't have a need for someone, stop paying them and fire them. But later, when the Crawley family goes through yet more financial difficulty, it becomes clear that this "everyone is entitled to a job" mentality may have been causing this unstoppable decline.
      • Except that Robert firmly believes it's the duty of a lord to make sure his people are taken care of, i.e. employed. That's almost exactly what he says to Matthew regarding Molesly: yes, Matthew might find him superfluous, but getting rid of him would deprive Molesly of his livelihood.
      • Yes, but Matthew pretending he can't dress up on his own doesn't make much of a difference about Molesley's livelihood. Standing there idly may be frustrating, but Robert makes it sound like Matthew at least wants to throw him into a dungeon and starve him to death. Even assuming their house is his only chance to get a job, and he couldn't do anything really useful, like helping out in Downton Abbey where there is too much work to do, or in some charity action of Isobel's, or doing errands in Matthew's office. This was rather guilt-tripping Matthew into a lifestyle he was uncomfortable in. Not to mention not Matthew is the lord yet. Why would he have to do Robert's job? And if he has to take the responsibility, where is the power with it? Has he no say in reforming the system, changing the "roles"? He didn't even want to be a Feudal Overlord, ever and despised the mannerisms of the highborn, and now he suddenly will be the next lord and has a dresser forced on him without his consent, which is another thing - has a valet nothing else to do in a household?
      • Aside from maintaining his employer's clothes, a valet really didn't. Servant roles were very strictly delineated, unless you were a scullery maid like Daisy. Taking care of Matthew's clothes wouldn't have occupied all of Molsely's time, and doing other, non-valet tasks would have been seen as beneath him — not just by Molsely himself, but by everyone. Servants had just as rigid a caste system as the people who employed them, and while it was silly and wasteful, it was the way society was. Doing the work of a footman or gardener, or even office aide, would have been considered horribly shameful by Molesly and everybody who knew him. Not until World War I would anyone have even dreamed of trying to shake the system up.
      • Just look what happened to Molesley after Matthew died! He lived at the Abbey for six months after Matthew died, trying to find a position as valet, under-butler or butler in another household, and eventually had to take a job mending the village roads until circumstances finally came together for him to get a job at the Abbey again. Even then, it was a demotion for him and it took being forced to work as a manual laborer for him to be able to accept it. Servants took pride in their work, in their ability to seamlessly and tirelessly cater to the needs of the peerage; and the more prestigious the title of the peer for whom they worked, the more precedence they were given below stairs. The movie Gosford Park, which is a spiritual cousin of this series, lays this out pretty explicitly. For Matthew to say that, as the future Earl of Grantham, he didn't want or need a valet and therefore wanted to dismiss Molesley was the 1910s equivalent of a new managing partner at a major law firm telling an administrative assistant inherited from the former managing partner that he prefers to write his own letters and make his own appointments, so said assistant can either go work in the fast food industry or, at best, join the rest of the general secretarial pool that helps out the junior associates and paralegals.
      • But he didn't even want to fire him! At least as I remember. He would have been in a nominal position at worst. Or even promoted to a housekeeper or something like Carson is. Doing nothing can be frustrating, but is it better to be humiliated with pity errands? Isn't it counterproductive to be someone's burden to feel useful? Why couldn't Robert send someone practical into a relatively small house, like a housekeeper, secretary or gardener? Especially when Molesley got delusional enough to ask why Matthew wanted a valet if he doesn't use him. Matthew never promised caretaking for him, it's unfair to act like he begged for him or promised him anything. Robert should do his own job and be generous at his own expense. Not to mention he shouldn't be sexist enough to dump the land on someone who doesn't want it, try to shoehorn him into a role which isn't him while he has Mary who does want to be his heir and would manage the land the way he wants his heir to.
      • Did you not watch the same series we did? Robert did not have any choice about who would inherit his title or his property. That was rather a large and important part of the plot!
      • I don't know, but in what I watched, Robert was blamed for passing Mary over, and Matthew was suddenly able to leave it to Mary, not even George. Not like being a powerless figurehead would justify guilt-tripping the heir to do things his way because that's the only right way, times don't change and Robert isn't slowly but surely ruining the holding with his financial EpicFails.
      • The fortune was entailed - they don't give a full explanation of this on the show, they expect you to be able to figure it out from context, but basically that means all holdings associated with the current holder of the title are passed down to the heir to the title. Women, in 1912, couldn't inherit titles. So, because of the entail, Mary could not inherit the house. Mary, Edith and Sybil are NOT titled until they marry, this is why they're called "Lady Mary" or "Lady Edith", as a courtesy address instead of being "Lady Crawley". The only Ladies Crawley are their mother and grandmother, who both are conferred the title by marriage. It's only AFTER marrying Matthew that Mary is allowed to use her husband's title. The rules of English nobility were bonkers, that's the point of the show.
      • The idea of “don’t keep a servant around if you don’t need them” is addressed in a later episode by Violet. She states in that it is the responsibility of the nobility to provide employment for the people around them, and if they didn’t, they were “as useless as a glass hammer.” Basically it didn’t matter how independent you felt like being or whether you thought you really needed a valet. You were expected to have one for their sake more than yours. Long story short: the nobility are what would later be termed “job creators” and they took that responsibility seriously.

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