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Also known as 'The Firehooves Cycle', is an expanded universe of Tornado Firehooves's fanfictions of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. It is a melded universe in which the G1 My Little Pony is a Bad Future of FIM, an inversion of a Fandom-Specific Plot for FIM. The first story in this universe is Twilight Then, Twilight Now, where two Twilights in two different timelines are experiencing events that shake Equestria/Ponyland's history.


    Stories set in the Firehooves Cycle 

These fanfics contain the examples of:

  • Absurdly Spacious Sewer: The Ponyville Sewer in Applejack Through the Ages. It even has an underground factory.
  • Abusive Parents: Sparkler (no, not this Sparkler) is not a very good mother to Quackers. So much that Cheerilee had to adopt her.
    • Chapter 6 of Moondancer's Misguided Mission reveals us that Sunset Shimmer treated her daughter Sun Shimmer as a weapon to be used against her feudal enemy, House Twilight. This resulted in neglecting Sun's childhood to give her hard training instead.
  • All There in the Script: The author usually gives his readers information about his universe. Most of them in-character with some roleplaying. (Here are some examples).
  • Alpha Bitch: Wish Shine, Twilight Shine's cousin, is one to every other pony. She also almost killed her cousin's coltfriend when he saw through her disguise in chapter 48 of The Magnificent Six.
    • Sun Shimmer, the assistant teacher from Mustangia, in Moondancer's Misguided Mission. However, it's revealed that her mother Sunset Shimmer made her into one by being a bigger Alpha Bitch than Sun is.
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  • And Man Grew Proud: Speculated to be one of the reasons why Equestria fell against Grogar's army.
  • Anti-Human Alliance: Grogar, Chrysalis, the Diamond Dogs and Tirek formed an alliance to raze Equestria and either slaughter or enslave the ponies.
  • Apocalypse How: Class 0: The two year long Grogar Wars caused a large scale destruction of all of Equestria and plunged all of Ponyland's technologies and society centuries back.
  • Apple of Discord: Sun Shimmer in Moondancer's Misguided Mission acts like one to the residents of Dream Valley as part of her mother's plan to ruin Twilight Sparkle's descendants.
  • Artifact of Doom: The Flashstone is the culprit of corrupting Luna to Nightmare Moon and Midnight to Tirek.
  • Bad Future: The post-Equestria era to those few individuals who have survived from the Equestria era. The Mane Six of the era are quite offended by this attitude, however. They take particular objection to Applejack's attempt to Set Right What Once Went Wrong, angrily declaring that, even if they're not as perfect as Equestria, they still have the right to exist instead of being replaced by a continuation of the Golden Age.
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  • Balkanize Me: After the Grogar Wars, what used to be Equestria is now a Confederacy of 5 sub-automous city-states, and several independent small kingdoms.
  • Bittersweet Ending: This universe loves this trope:
    • In Twilight Then, Twilight Now, Tambelon is lost to Grogar and his Troggle army and the Mane Six's coltfriends disappeared with it, but they have delayed an all out war to several centuries and in the present Ponyland, Tirek is Killed Off for Real and the war is won to the ponies.
    • In Ponyville Generations: Spike's Story, after Ponyville has returned to the outside world and became a normal village again, Spike lived happily with his girlfriend Whimsy for years, until Whimsy got killed by Tirek's Strydon hordes and Spike was captured to be enslaved in Midnight Castle.
    • In The Magnificent Six, Cadence did a Heroic Sacrifice to destroy the animated Alicorn Amulet like what Celestia and Luna did before her and because of it the Princess Ponies confiscated the Elements of Harmony from the six fillies, but she also ensured that Ponyland will get the heroines it needed.
  • Break the Cutie: It turns out that Ponyland-era's Applejack's "silly filly" behavior is due to her actually being the Equestria-era Applejack, who has been immortal for a thousand years and steadily traumatised by the increasing decline of ponies. Is it any wonder she is tempted by an offer to Set Right What Once Went Wrong, allowing her to prevent the Fall of Equestria?
  • Broken Pedestal: Celestia's Heroic Sacrifice to destroy Discord have made the majority of ponies to lose a lot of faith in Alicorns due to realising that they can die like any mortal pony and are not really Godesses.
    • Also, the Snowponies (who are descendants to the Crystal Ponies) lost a lot of faith and are hostile towards Cadence, whom they believe had abandoned them at their greatest time of need during the destruction of the Crystal Empire.
    • In the chapter 'Confrontation' of Applejack through the Ages, Luna's depression-induced hostile behaviour when Applejack and Kimono told her off for mismanagement of the kingdom had cost her all of their faith for Luna. This also made Applejack renounce her loyalty to her. Though, the next chapter clarifies that Luna snapped out of it and tried to be a better ruler, see Repaired Pedestal below.
  • Canis Latinicus: In chapter 49 of The Magnificent Six we have a spell, with very fake Latin.
    Draggle and Reeka: Reallykus... Badus...
    Surprise: Shockus!
  • Cloud Cuckoolander: Surprise, Fizzy and Whizzer are three of a kind.
  • Creation Myth: The first chapter of The chronicles of the Horsemaster is a Creation Myth of the ponies' world in a Horsemasterist belief.
  • Culture Clash: Being an Equestrian, Cheerilee can't find anything wrong with not wearing a bow on her tail. Moondancer, however, thinks otherwise.
    • Also involving Cheerilee, in YOU EAT MEAT?!? chapters in My Little Short Stories, she didn't take the knowledge that some ponies are omnivores quite well.
    • In Honeymoon in Selenia chapters in My Little Short Stories, let's just say that Twilight had a big surprise in culture differences between Dream Valley or the Confederacy and New Equestria (such as whinnying and snorting for language, Alicornism as an official state religion, ponies living in villages instead of citadels and the locals are friendlier and more forgiving than their Dream Valley or Ponyland Confederacy counterparts.
  • The Dark Times: Equestria after the death of most Harmony Bearers did decay a little for centuries, but the worst times for ponykind were after Celestia's Heroic Sacrifice, the Grogar Wars and the aftermath of Equestria's demise.
  • Darker and Edgier: To all My Little Pony shows.
  • Dawn of an Era: The Magnificent Six is basically this. With Cadence appointing new heroines for Ponyland, she ensured that The Dark Times in Ponyland will end.
  • Deal with the Devil: In Moondancer's Misguided Mission, Sun Shimmer admitted in making a pact with the Windigoes to help her freeze Dream Valley while giving them unlimited source of hatred in there. It backfired on her after Moondancer and her friends defeated her and freed whole of Dream Valley from the Windigoes' icy grip. In Harmony Dies in My Little Short Stories have the queen of Dream Valley at the time, Sky Skimmer, decide to take the offer from Tirek that she will destroy the Tree of Harmony to weaken Equestria so he will invade it while leaving Dream Valley alone, as long as they stay neutral during his invasion.
  • Demonic Possession: Sombra, Luna and Midnight had this happen to them, mostly due to the Flashstone corrupting them enough to be open to the Tirac (who is the ponies' equivalent to Satan) to possess, turning them to King Sombra, Nightmare Moon and Tirek.
  • Despair Event Horizon: Happens to everypony when a lifebonded mate dies. Implied to be one of the reasons for Cadence's odd behaviours after Lavan's destruction of the old Crystal Empire and Shining Armour's death during the Grogar Wars.
  • The Dreaded: Gypsy, the mysterious Roma unicorn, is feared by the local Dream Valley ponies. Justified for her really being spooky to ward off trespassers, especially since it's a dangerous world after Equestria's fall.
  • Disney Villain Death: Just like in the original merchandise, in Applejack Through the Ages the Jewel Wizard was kicked by Applejack and he fell into a deep chasm in the mines during the slave revolt.
  • Dream Walker: Using the power of the Shining Star Lanterns, Twilight Shine's job is to enter the dreams of Ponyland's inhabitants and removes nightmares, just like what Luna did before she died.
  • End of an Age: Seems like this is the Mother Trope of the mentioned fics due to the fall of Equestria and the death of Celestia and Luna marked the end of Equestria and the start of The Dark Times to the ponies. Harmony Dies had started the end of all things that made Equestria, by the slaughtering of the Tree of Harmony.
  • Enfant Terrible: Baby Lickety Split is a sociopathic filly who enjoys inflicting harm on animals and ponies alike.
  • Epic Fail: In chapter 43 of The Magnificent Six, we have the two witches Draggle and Reeka trying to stop the monster truck from reaching Misty Mountain by using their magic. They missed and hit each other with a boom.
  • Et Tu, Brute?: In the chapter Downfall part 2 in My Little Short Stories, this is what Spitfire and Soarin' felt like when Lightning Dust led her squad of Dream Valley's Lightning Bolts to sabotage the Wonderbolts as part of Dream Valley's plans to worsen international views towards Equestria. The Wonderbolts were never the same afterwards. When Chocolate sells Applejack to the Jewel Wizard during the start of the Grogar Wars.
  • Faith–Heel Turn: After the fall of Equestria, ponies view friendship and forgiveness as a sign of weakness.
  • Fantastic Racism: Do you know what happens to ponies not born as earth ponies in Coltonville in The Royal Respite? That's right, they remove their wings or horns after being born.
    • In The Royal Respite, the residents of Coltonville are very cold towards Equestria for having unicorns and pegasi living there, whom they view as oppressors to earth ponies. They also see Celestia and Luna as tyrannical.
    • The Flutter Ponies hate other pony races, mostly due to what happened to the first naturally born Flutter Pony in Tambelon in Twilight Then, Twilight Now ( it involves an impostor Celestia).
    • New Equestrians towards their northern 'barbarian' neighbours (Ponyland Confederacy, Dream Valley, Flutter Valley, etc...)
  • Fantasy Counterpart Culture: Most kingdoms in Ponyland have many similarities to Real Life cultures:
    • Dream Valley has a typical Medieval European culture.
    • Fort Rainbow Dash is Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece.
    • Bright Valley has a typical 1950s American city feel.
    • Hoofkaido is feudal Japan.
    • Misty Mountain is Switzerland.
    • Maretonia is Spain and Mexico.
    • Mustangia is south USA, possibly Mississippi.
    • The snow ponies are the pony equivalent of the Inuit.
    • Hastland is any Scandinavian country (Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Iceland).
    • The reindeer are the Lapp.
    • St. Ponysburg is Russia.
    • Ziemelia is Malta with a bit of Italy.
  • Fish out of Temporal Water: Poor Cheerilee. She really did get one heck of a culture shock after being released from a book one thousand years later.
  • The Fundamentalist: The Rainbow Monks. Let us just say that Tornado is a devout Zorypontist and looked at Alicornists with scorn.
  • Generation Xerox: In The Magnificent Six, we have six fillies who are direct descendants of the last bearers of the Elements of Harmony with similar, albeit slightly different, personalities and preferences.
    • Except Applejack is the same Applejack of FIM in all stories due to gaining immortality in Twilight Then, Twilight Now.
    • North Star is Daring Do's descendant. She is also an archaeologist.
  • Good Is Not Nice: Our Dream Valley heroes protect their herd and ponykind from evil, but the ponies after Equestria's fall have shunned actual friendship and forgiveness as something only the weak or sitting ducks use. In The chronicles of the Horsemaster, Bz'ekre (the Horsemaster) placed the windigoes at the three pony tribes to wipe them out after becoming very angry at their fighting and lack of harmony.
    "Enough! Ponykind has forgotten the messages of love and friendship I had created them with, and therefore must be cleansed from this world." The horsemaster decreed, regretting she had made this ungrateful, sinful ponies in the first place. "Therefore, I shall send a bitter cold to cleanse this world of their poison, and the other races I have mane may inherit the planet in their stead."
  • Götterdämmerung: The Fall of Equestria is essentially a long series of these, starting with the death of Celestia and continuing on to the erasing of everything Equestria had achieved.
  • Horny Vikings: The raiding horses from Hinigsita wore brown cloaks, grey armour and horned helmets while they pillaged the remains of a destroyed Equestria immediately after the end of the Grogar Wars.
  • Identical Grandson: Played with in The Magnificent Six. The main characters, Twilight Shine, Firefly, Posey, Surprise and Glory are Twilight Sparkle's, Rainbow Dash's, Fluttershy's, Pinkie Pie's and Rarity's descendants, respectively, and they look like their ancestors so much that Cadence usually expects them to be like their heroic ancestors. Applejack seems to be this as well, at the start, but is actually the exact same pony as we know in FIM. However, though they may look like their ancestors, they are very much different in terms of personality — Posey, for example, is terrified of animals and only wants to be involved with plants.
  • Innocence Lost: The Grogar Wars and some endless wars that fell Equestria have really made ponies suffer. No wonder they've become more warlike and hostile.
  • Kids Are Cruel: Some foals in Dream Valley seem to enjoy watching the adults (especially Sundance and Cheerilee) suffer.
  • Maniac Monkeys: The Gizmonks. They are a race of scientifically-advanced monkeys who do experiments on ponies and also make glue out of them in a secret factory under Ponyville.
  • Matriarchy: Zigzagged. Although not completely matriarchal, mares have considerably more power than stallions — it averts Lady Land in that, while the mares have more political power and social rights, stallions are still considered part of the herd and loved by their mates. At its worst, its essentially a gender-flipped 1950s style sexism. Word of God says that this is mostly due to some side-effect of the Grogar Wars, which made stallions turn extremely violent in large numbers and thusly be unsuitable for more civilised society. Although, as a result of this increased violent nature, when a war breaks out, the mares let the stallions take over leadership.
  • Moral Guardian: Moondancer. She was shocked on seeing Cheerilee (who is a time-lost Equestrian mare) 'naked' (only because she didn't wear a tail-bow). This trait is also the reason why most ponies in Dream Valley dislike Moondancer.
  • Oh My Gods!: Most ponies in this universe (who don't worship Alicorns) usually exclaim "Great Horsemaster!"
  • OOC Is Serious Business: One of the general themes of Moondancer's Misguided Mission, mostly due to Sun Shimmer's corrupting the residents of Dream Valley with false knowledge.
  • The Pig-Pen: Waterfire is coated with filth and "brown stains". She also technically lives in the Ponyville Sewer.
  • Precursors: The Penna were very technologically and magically advanced for their time and could also magically create living beings. Their fall came when they created the draconequi and it backfired on them when the draconequi turned against them. The Penna-Draconequus war destroyed the Penna civilisation, which left the ponies to rise in their place.
  • Qurac: Saddle Arabia. Think of every cartoonish Middle Eastern, North African and other Islamic world stereotypes, this kingdom most probably has them.
  • Redemption Rejection: After defeat, when Moondancer offered forgiveness and friendship to Sun Shimmer, Sun rejected it, furiously.
  • Red Herring: At some point, some readers thought that Sun Shimmer in Moondancer's Misguided Mission is actually Sunset Shimmer, from My Little Pony: Equestria Girls. Turned out it wasn't her.
  • Repaired Pedestal: After the confrontation, Luna snapped out of her grief for a bit to see what the Gizmonks are doing to her subjects and reacted by expelling them and their industries and tried to be a ruler in the likes of her late sister. That was enough for Applejack to forgive Luna.
  • Salt the Earth: What happened to most (if not all) of what was once Equestria's countryside during and after the Grogar Wars.
  • Say My Name: Kimono in chapter 2 of Memoirs of a Mane Stylist. Which is not usual, according to Daffeydazey.
  • Scam Religion: This is what most Ponyland ponies view Alicornism as.
  • Scenery Gorn: The chapter 'Goodbye Equestria. Hello Ponyland' in Applejack Through the Ages describes former Equestria after the two year long Grogar Wars as a vast wasteland full of decaying deceased ponies and ruined cities and villages full of roofless buildings.
  • Screw Politeness, I'm a Senior!: Spike in A Bitter old Dragon Rambles on in My Little Short Stories, using what feels like a When I Was Your Age... rant.
  • Screw This, I'm Outta Here!: In chapter 49 of The Magnificent Six, Draggle and Reeka had enough of their plans getting foiled a lot, and so gave up.
  • Shrouded in Myth: Most FiM events have been turned into myths, such as Twilight Sparkle's ascention into an alicorn.
  • Southern Belle: Truly. She was from Mustangia (which is south of the Confederacy and Dream Valley) and she loves to dress up in style.
  • Take That!: Moondancer's Misguided Mission is full of it: Molestia, Trollestia, Tyrant Celestia, Humans Are Bastards fics, Solar Empire vs. The New Lunar Republic, The Conversion Bureau, Doctor Whooves, Cupcakes, and Rainbow Factory.
  • The Power of Love: In chapter 54 of The Magnificent Six, Princess Cadence helped Twilight Shine and her friends by reminding them their loved ones to keep them from breaking the Rainbow of Friendship to defeat the witch Hydia.
  • The Sociopath: Surprise is hinted to be one. All of ponykind's enemies (Tirek, Grogar, Hydia, etc...) possess absolutely no empathy. And they're not only like this to ponies, either.
  • Too Dumb to Live: The two witches Draggle and Reeka in The Magnificent Six are REALLY stupid! Their plans to sabotage Cadence's plans to create new bearers for the Elements of Harmony usually backfire on them. Most fillies in Ponyville Generations: Spike's Story are this due to having generations in exposure with the enchantment put in all of Ponyville that makes visitors enter a dream-like fantasy, lowering the locals' intelligence and maturity. There are some exceptions though, such as Kimono and (G3) Cheerilee.
  • Unreliable Narrator: Tornado may be considered as one in universe by mostly stating the negatives of Equestria and Ponyland. This blog can explain better.
  • Valley Girl: The chapter Like, Whatevar! in Tales of Dream Castle, Shady, Gusty and Wind Whistler have turned into these kinds of mares complete with '80s Hair, excessive make-up and large ear-rings.
  • Villain Has a Point: Both sides of the matter when Applejack makes her attempt to Set Right What Once Went Wrong, regardless of which side you take in the matter and thusly who you see as the villain.
    • If you take the viewpoint that the New Six are the heroes, it's still hard to deny that Applejack has a point that the present era is a Bad Future, what with the unequal gender rights, lack of tolerance, religious strife and other aspects that make it a full-on Crapsack World, compared to the mildly Crapsaccharine World that was the Golden Era.
    • On the other hand, even if you see Applejack as the hero — or at least a justified Well-Intentioned Extremist — it's hard to claim that the New 6 are really in the wrong when they point out that they have a right to exist too, even if they're not as perfect as their ancestors were.
  • What the Hell, Hero?: Spike was not happy that Applejack and Kimono confronted and seemingly attacked Luna while she was grieving over her sister's Heroic Sacrifice.
  • Who Wants to Live Forever?: Applejack has been immortal since the first fall of Tambelon in Twilight Then, Twilight Now. She continuously regrets that she ever became immortal.
  • Your Normal Is Our Taboo: In Classroom of the Future, Moondancer saw Cheerilee, who doesn't wear a bow on her tail like all mares in Ponyland. Her reaction? Calling her a nudist.
    • Also, Dream Valley ponies eat meat. This is one of the reasons why other herds call them barbaric.


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