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The greatest, and most well-known, moneymaking Shared Universe that has been brought to the big-screen. However, that doesn't mean it didn't suffer a hiccup here and there to make it work.

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Captain America: The First Avenger

  • Retloclive: For me, the first Captain America is a fun 40s era movie that proves that director Joe Johnston really knows how to get that era down after he did the Rocketeer movie. However, one thing that really bugs me about this movie was condensing Cap's mission to take down the HYDRA bases into a brief montage. Was it too much to ask to spare just a couple more minutes to extend the destruction of the HYDRA facilities? The movie spends a great deal building up the hero to kick some major butt, and yet they completely skip over it just so we could get to the final battle quicker.
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Iron Man 3

  • Shadow 200: Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie, and got my money's worth from it, but the fact that his long time arch-nemesis from the comics, The Mandarin, turns out to be nothing but a washed up drug addict actor hired by the real Big Bad really doesn't settle with me. All the promos and interviews suggested he'd be Tony Stark's greatest foe and when it's revealed he's drugged out of his mind and doesn't have a clue what's really going on it irks me as I felt they wasted a perfectly good character and plot as their rivalry was based on technology vs magic and Advancement vs Tradition. Still enjoyed the movie but that part just bugs me.
  • Jaydude 1992: My issue is the final battle between the Big Bad, and his minions, who all have My Blood Runs Hot style powers, and all of Tony's suits being controlled by Jarvis. You'd think this would be a CMOA, particularly if you saw this bit in the trailer, but no. The Worf Effect is in full play as, rather than fight them at range with their repulsor rays, the suits get into punch-ups with the minions, whom the protagonists should know by now can give themselves body temperatures of around 3000 degrees celsius, and are frequently torn apart as a result. It really doesn't help that the earlier versions of the Iron Man armour were capable of taking on terrorist cells, squads of very similar armoured drones, and virtually everything the Chitauri could throw at them. The latest versions? They have trouble fighting men and women with superheated bodies.
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  • Miracle @ St. Olaf: Back to those minions of the Big Bad: The men and women our heroes are taking on happen to be U.S. Military vets who were treated with Extremis to regrow limbs they lost in combat, and are all willing and eager to slaughter their own countrymen through terrorist attacks because they couldn't get jobs after they came home. To be clear, they were not brainwashed, driven insane or corrupted as a side effect of Extremis, no; they're gladly committing unconscionable acts of pure malevolence and evil... because of job security. The Mandarin's Race Lift was very obviously done to avoid offending part of the audience, and way to go on that, but how did nobody involved consider that making his evil henchmen wounded U.S. soldiers just might be even more offensive to a lot of viewers?

Thor: The Dark World

  • Animeking 1108: The movie had a bit of a problem with putting in comedy at inappropriate moments, but the moment that took the cake was Thor and Jane returning to Earth after Loki seemingly dies. It was such a tear-jerking dramatic moment, and they immediately follow it up with Erik walking around without pants, and even making a crack at Loki's expense. I get that Erik hates Loki for the shit he pulled on him in The Avengers, but couldn't they have done that a little less comedic?
  • h31r-of-l1f3:I think what's worse is the studio's lack of understanding that Thor is magic. If I wanted one with science, I'd watch Ant-man or Iron Man. Thor is a god with a hammer that controls weather and he can fly with if he spins it fast. This is best shown with the hot garbage of the dark elves' assault on Asgard. I honestly thought Star Wars was on, with the lasers and shields. It's not like magic does not exist in Marvel, Doctor Strange pulled off witchcraft. Thor is magic, not science.

Captain America: The Winter Soldier

  • RAZ: The Reveal that HYDRA had rebuilt itself within SHIELD since its inception. I could buy it if there was a valid excuse for the twist, but the reason given for how it happened is beyond stupid. The reason HYDRA is in control is all because the non-corrupt members like Peggy Carter and Howard Stark recruited Arnim Zola of their own free will into a high-ranking position which he exploited. The two of them completely ignoring his background with HYDRA in the past. If that's supposed to be what's considered "good" writing, then I have no problem dropping these movies.
  • akanesarumara: My bone to pick with the HYDRA reveal was that it felt like a cop-out. Up until then it felt like it was heading the thought-provoking way of adding a level of gray to SHIELD and the government and actually debating the question of how much secrecy and freedom will we give up for safety. But no, of course they had to include the Nazis. Because remember, your own government would never go to such lengths.
  • Case: The part where Cap and Widow are trapped in a bunker, a missile heads toward them, and... they dive out of the way. The movie as a whole has a lot of "heroes are surrounded on all sides, but get away" moments going on, even by MCU standards. Most of the time, though, it makes for fun action; it's stylized. For the bunker scene, style has nothing to do with it. The bad guys set up a trap, the trap works exactly as planned, there's no third party interfering with the trap in any way, and the heroes don't do anything clever. Obviously, we know the heroes won't get killed, but this is the only time in the entire MCU where this fact is blatantly taken for granted.

Guardians of the Galaxy

  • TerrorToad: The freaking stupid 'Ooh Child' dance at the end. Ronan, who at this point has ultimate power, and needs only to drop his hammer to win, literally stands there for a full minute with his mouth hanging open while Starlord sings and dances around like an idiot instead of just killing him. It killed the mood and was just a bottom of the barrel joke. Any dignity the movie and Ronan might've had died there.

Avengers: Age of Ultron

Ant-Man

  • Doctor Sleep: Starting from just a trailer, there's a scene where Scott Lang is goading Hope into showing him how to punch. Hope responds by punching him right in the face. You don't have to picture that moment with the genders reversed, because that exact same thing happened in the comics when Hank Pym smacked his wife. By playing a woman bashing a man as a punchline when the opposite is considered abhorrent just shows how low Marvel Studios is willing to sink for the sake of a joke. No wonder they lost a comedic craftsman like Edgar Wright. By the time the movie is released, it only gets worse with Hope ultimately ending up with Scott in the end. Iron Man had Tony and Pepper take things slow. Thor, Captain America and The Incredible Hulk ended with the heroes not getting with their love interests due to their overwhelming responsibilities. Ant-Man ends with Scott falling for the woman who attacked him simply because she's there. Way to speak out against domestic violence.

Captain America: Civil War

  • hank412: I have trouble finding a single moment that pissed me off in a movie full of moments that pissed me off. Though, if I had to pick one, it would be where all my problems with the movie first began, the first snowball that someone threw down the snowy hill: The moment when Cap tells Tony that he tore the Avengers apart by signing the accords. Great job on reminding me that the accords were in this movie, because I had pretty much forgot. Though, that’s probably because it was this moment that I realized the film pretty much paid lip service to them, but it was still going to act like they’re the driving force behind everything when they clearly aren’t. It was a moment where it felt like the movie was completely insulting my intelligence as a viewer and essentially flat out lying to my face. Something like that goes beyond a few plot holes or inept storytelling. The moment when this film thought it could get away with treating its audience as anything less than equal is bullshit.
  • Shadow Wing LG : While the whole movie is basically a series of action sequences held together with the thinnest strings of plot the single moment that shattered the movie for me was the scene where Steve and Sam have Bucky restrained in the vice and they figure out Zemo is going for the other Winter Soldiers and Steve stated "They were on their own." I almost yelled "What about NAT?!" in the theater! Its like Steve completely forgot that he had a close friend, ally, and second in command of the Avengers with the ability and skill to verify that Zemo used forged docs to get close to Bucky and set off his rampage that ALSO had access to Tony and could have convinced him of these facts with proof as back up! The cherry on top of ALSO giving Tony ammo against Ross at least and the Accords best.

Doctor Strange:

  • cricri3007: The New York fight scene, or, as I call it: "The clusterfuck of so many trippy special effects I can't see who is doing what until the very last two minutes of the fight". There is "having nice special effects that make a scene more awesome", and there's "going overboard with them".

Spider-Man Homecoming:

  • immortalfrieza: The movie was fine, but Spidey's competence throughout the movie was all but nonexistent mostly just for the sake of cheap slapstick and it really dragged down a movie that would have been a lot better otherwise. No moment more clearly illustrates this than the fight against the ATM robbers. Any other version of Spider-Man including those just as young as this version and just as inexperienced would have effortlessly kicked these guys' asses in the space of about 10 seconds to a minute tops, likely before they even knew he was there. This Spider-Man instead walks straight up to them and announces his presence, then gets into a several minute long fight scene that ultimately results in the whole bank being destroyed along with a Deli across the street. It only gets much, much worse from there. I get that he's supposed to be young and new to this but come on, this Spider-Man is so green he looks like he got his powers an hour before the time of the movie with no attempt to train, not been active for months.
  • 227someguy: I also liked the movie as a whole, but what really bothered me was how Iron Man handled the ferry scene. The problem is how he blames Spidey for despite the fact that it was more his fault. First, he didn't give Peter a reason to avoid the Vulture aside from Because I Said So, scolded poor Peter for not listening to him, and not telling him about the FBI beforehand (that last one could've told Peter that he really did trust him). This scene really hurt my opinion of the character to point where he's become my least favorite Avenger.

Thor: Ragnarok

  • Zeh Monsieur: Take Animeking's criticism regarding The Dark World and amplify it; you now have my primary complaint with Ragnarok. I've seen my fair share of Taika Waititi's work and I speak from experience when I say his tragic moments shine just as bright as, maybe even better than his comedic work, so why is it that he's incapable of providing the same emotional honesty here? I could cite a good number of examples, but since that's against the rules, I'll target one moment that I feel best highlights this problem: Surtur's destruction of Asgard. Now, you'd imagine that our hero's homeworld, already stated to be a place of great importance on the cosmic scale being entirely annihilated would be given some sort of emotional seriousness, but no. Instead, they give Korg a bunch of dialogue about rebuilding Asgard for the sake of a cheap Tempting Fate gag that writes off the demise a place we've come to know over the years and still had space to build upon as just another joke in a movie already overstuffed with them. It's moments like these where I can understand where detractors are coming from when they say the MCU relies too heavily on comedy and whole-heartedly accept Black Panther delivering on its sober, serious premise.
  • 666metalupyourass: Thor: The Dark World gave us a hell of an ending with Loki sitting in the throne of Asgard with an evil smile, followed by Age of Ultron in which Thor had a vision of a ruined Asgard that made him suspect something is going on. We finally return to Asgard and find Loki ruling over it, using his power to... make a theater play about himself and eating grapes. And then Thor looks through his disguise so fast he makes the god of mischief look like three kids on a trenchcoat. Then, the once considered "Greatest comic book villain ever" spends the rest of the movie either doing nothing or helping the heroes. Well done, Marvel.

Avengers: Infinity War

  • Adept: This is probably a controversial choice, since I'm sure many people would consider this a Moment of Awesome, but for me, the movie killed all of its Willing Suspension of Disbelief when Captain America is somehow able to hold Thanos's punch, when the latter had already equipped 5 of the Infinity Stone. Captain America may be a Super Soldier with enhanced strength and durability, but it's pretty much established that he's not as strong as The Hulk. Thanos is able to Curb Stomp Hulk without having any of the stones, and having Captain America be able to withstand an attack that even The Hulk is unable to block, when Thanos is even stronger than he was during his fight against Hulk just screams bad writing for me. Don't get me wrong, I still liked the movie (for the most part), but having the characters' power levels fluctuate so wildly for the sake of convenience is one of my biggest pet peeve trope in action series, especially when there is no justifiable explanation behind the event, other than the fact that the writers want to force in a "cool" scene.
    • Twoeyesshort: Same general complaint, but for me, the point at which it's clear author fiat is the only thing holding the movie together is the moon scene. For as epic as destroying a moon and raining chunks of it down on those pesky superheroes looks, it fails to be anywhere near as effective as such an event would reasonably be. Not to mention, it begs the question of why he didn't try that same basic trick pointing down, or demonstrate that kind of power with one of the numerous normal punches thrown. Then there's Iron Man blocking a raw blast from the same stone that blew up the moon with nothing but a shield made of nanites, Spider-man being able to hold Thanos back at all, Dr. Strange using way more powers than he was ever shown having just to keep pace with Thanos... the suspension of disbelief died along with Titan, it seems.

Avengers: Endgame

  • dsneybuf: I purposely spoiled myself beforehand on who does and doesn't survive this movie, and came in unsure if I'd feel offended with Black Widow's death. When it occurred, I thought her Heroic Sacrifice seemed more noble than getting Stuffed into the Fridge. Even Iron Man's sacrifice helped it feel less sexist than if all the male Avengers survived. Unfortunately, the scenes of Tony and Natasha receiving their dues feel very disproportional. All the MCU's major players, and then some, attend Tony's funeral, but only Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch pay Nat their respects. Why not combine the two ceremonies, or at least have everyone Nat saved stick around a while after Tony's funeral? Instead, they all come off as ungrateful bastards.
  • Retloclive: The Girl Power scene that was shoehorned into the final battle. It came off as such a forced moment that it just left me rolling my eyes at the thought that no one but the females all ended up in the exact same spot on the battlefield.
    • cricri3007: Not to mention that Captain Marvel is the last person who would need to be escorted. She plowed through Thanos's ship like it was nothing, and almost overpowered Thanos wearing the Infinity Gauntlet by herself.
  • crowtr0bot: Killing Thanos in the first ten minutes of the movie was easily this film's biggest misstep. After getting to know him and see his character develop in Infinity War, he's slain with little fanfare after revealing he destroyed the Stones. As a consequence, the Final Battle ends up being with a Past Thanos who has none of his future self's Character Development, and comes across as more of a Generic Doomsday Villain than his Future Self. This also makes the final battle feel far more impersonal and less emotionally charged than it should be (since this Thanos never fought The Avengers or dusted half the universe before), and the Laser-Guided Karma of seeing Thanos dusted feels less...Karmic as a result.

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