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Yes, a long-form version of Western Animation with this magnitude having a page like THIS is sort of shocking. But since the animation industry can be a little harder to pin down, even the greatest and least good animated movies can have a few moments that should’ve ended up in the cutting room floor.

Note that this section is for long-form western animation only. Want to discuss the most terrible moments in many animated television shows? Well, you may want to head over to this page.

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Examples:

  • Atlantis: The Lost Empire
    • aziuka: By no means was Atlantis: The Lost Empire a good movie, but the cataclismically stupid idea of Atlanteans being capable of speaking every Indo-European language ever by virtue of having an unspecified root language as their mother tongue made me want to tear my hair out. Sure, they don't know how to read in their own frigging native language, but this apparently doesn't hinder them in understanding multiple others, including modern ones that are separated from their own by several millennia. Not to mention that from a dramatic standpoint, it was a wasted opportunity to focus on Milo as a character intrinsically important to the relationship with the Atlanteans as he'd have been the only one who actually spoke their language. Instead, we got a cheap and lazy Hand Wave that mirrors the lack of creativity and imagination that plagues the movie as a whole.
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    • SinisterHoodedFigure2: I rather enjoyed Atlantis up until the moment Lyle Tiberius Rourke became the main villain. I can't fit all of the context and reasons why, but he has a very poorly thought out motive for an older audience: killing Atlanteans for more money, just so that Atlantis could have a one-note action movie villain. He behaves like some insufferably smug Magnificent Bastard, despite his extremely stupid actions. And for being such a dark villain intending to kill thousands, the Leviathan actually holds the biggest body count, while Rourke only killed the King, and stupidly thrown off his loyal henchwoman, who later ruins his plan afterwards (ultimately defeating himself), all for the sake of having the audience hate him. Rourke's character in particular is so painfully flat, compared to literally every other Disney Villain, as he just comes off as an even more last minute villain than Hans from Frozen. Say what you will about Hans as a last minute villain, he did serve some purpose in the film, and whether right or wrong, is actually memorable, unlike Rourke, who nobody, not even fans of the film, remember. Rourke as the villain is contrived, forced, and ultimately pointless in the grand scheme of the film; the heroes get rich, and the actual climax is a volcanic eruption. Rourke is also inept at killing Milo, and was accidentally killed. This is the absolute worst Disney villain; the Leviathan or even the King of Atlantis would've been better main villains.
  • The Hunchback of Notre Dame (Golden Films):
    • Doctor Cooper: Already a terrible product scarce in redeeming qualities, but the worst moment was Quasimodo becoming handsome. This is too out of place. There is nothing wrong with doing an In Name Only derivative work, but this is too far of the point, and it's even insulting. The film also touches that True Beauty Is on the Inside, but has the necessity to do such change. Way to do a moral. If looks don't matter, why bothering converting Quasimodo into a hunk? Not helped by the fact that the film states that Quasimodo's hunchback is just out of depression and mistreatment. Having self-steem will not heal a handicap. The attempt to kiddify a grim product backfired with two offensive "morals". Golden Films has done much better than this.
  • Kenya Starflight: Hotel Transylvania is a pretty good movie overall, but hits a sour note for me with talk about a "zing" — essentially the concept of Love at First Sight — and it's emphasized that you only get one "zing" in your life. A romantic enough notion, perhaps, but did the filmmakers think to consider how kids who come from divorced families might feel about this? Or really, anyone who's had a relationship end, either by death, divorce, or breaking up? The movie doesn't even justify it by saying that "zing" only applies to monsters (granted, they do mention this in the third movie, but not everyone watches sequels), which might have made it a bit more tolerable — basically the characters state you only get a single true love and that if you let them go, that's it. A cringe-worthy Accidental Aesop in an otherwise decent movie.
  • Tangled:
    • Maths Angelic Version: I didn't like Tangled, and the climax is a main reason for that. Basically, Gothel has Rapunzel Bound and Gagged (wtf?)  and has stabbed Eugene (what?!) . Rapunzel tells about how she'll never stop fighting Gothel, which is awesome... until she promises to stay with Gothel forever if she's allowed to heal Eugene. It's clearly supposed to be heartwarming when she gives up her freedom for the man she loves, but it falls apart if you try to think about it for more than two seconds. Gothel has shown repeatedly that she doesn't give a damn about anyone but herself, and there's no reason whatsoever to believe that she'll change her ways. If anything, killing Eugene and blaming Rapunzel for it pushes her over the Moral Event Horizon if you don't think she has crossed it already. She has demonstrated that she's a liar and a murderer, which means that attempting to negotiate with her is very idiotic. Thus, Gothel will probably just go back and kill Eugene later, rendering Rapunzel's sacrifice worthless. It's made even worse by the fact that Rapunzel can never escape because she's irrationally committed to her promises, even though keeping that one will ruin her life without accomplishing anything except for prolonging the life of an abuser that doesn't deserve to live. Plus, staying with Gothel means ignoring her duties as a princess and making sure that her parents will never see their daughter again. Very irresponsible. Why the hell is this supposed to show a positive quality and not a Fatal Flaw? Even if we assume that Gothel is too lazy to go back and kill Eugene, it's heavily implied that she'll leave him chained up in the tower. Which means that he'll be stuck there and die of dehydration in a few painful days/weeks anyway, considering that a rescue is extremely unlikely.why?  This also takes away the selflessness of Eugene's "Heroic Sacrifice" explanation . If he would otherwise spend his last days/weeks being tormented to death by dehydration and starvation (or waiting for Gothel to come back and kill him), why not save himself this drawn-out suffering and let his wound kill him? This action is kind of stupid as well because if he cuts Rapunzel's hair, nothing is left to prevent Gothel from killing her. It's probably a better fate than having to stay with Gothel forever, and Rapunzel kind of asked for it by being stupid enough to make a promise when she could have suggested the deal to Gothel without promising anything, but still. Neither he nor the audiencenote  had any way of predicting the No Immortal Inertia that kills Gothel almost immediately after the cutting of the hair. After that, Eugene dies, Rapunzel whines a littlenote , then another Deus ex Machina revives him.

      To sum it up: The writers use contrived stupidity to put the main characters into a nearly impossible situation. Instead of at least letting them use their skills to get out themselves, Rapunzel's contrived horrible decision makes the situation worse.avoidable problem  Then a decision that is the least of two evilsnote  for both characters is for some reason portrayed as heroic. Then the writers Deus ex Machina the characters out of it to force a happy ending.
    • cheedo: Personally, I hated the emotional manipulation of Tangled. So Rapunzel is a very sweet girl who truly believes deceiving Gothel and sneaking out is morally wrong. Her decision? "I am going to see those lanterns!" She isn't sneaking out to get away from Gothel's teasing and using her; it's the equivalent to a teenager being told they can't go to a party and sneaking out to go anyway. What Rapunzel wants is more important than following her own moral compass. Great lesson for kids there, Disney. On top of that, seeing the lanterns isn't even particularly important or life-changing at all.
  • CJ Croen 1393: The documentary series March of the Dinosaurs had a dethroner in the form of the... monstrosities they claim are "Quetzalcoatlus", shown here, at the 9:05 mark. For a list of how awful they are *deep breath*... they're scaly and lacking pycnofibers, their wings are pointy and look just a bit too short, they are scavengers (something that would have been forgivable if it weren't made in 2011), they are bipedal and lack their small wing fingers and are just super ugly. As a paleonut and a pterosaur fan, I can't really forgive all of these blatant examples of Critical Research Failure. Keep in mind, this is supposed to be a documentary that is educational, but with the "Quetzalcoatlus", at least, it's clear that they didn't even try.
  • Maths Angelic Version: Brave was pretty good, but for some reason, Pixar decided to ruin the heartwarming scene where Elinor and the triplets are changed back to their human selves with embarrassing and juvenile Naked People Are Funny jokes.
    • cheedo: On top of that- I loved the fact that it portrayed a rare realistic relationship between a mother and daughter, but I really disliked that only Elinor was presented as wrong for burning Merida's bow- something she does AFTER Merida, in a rage, rips the tapestry Elinor had been working hard on. A bow can be replaced but that tapestry will have to be made over. And Merida isn't presented as equally wrong for doing it as Elinor is for her action.
  • Kenya Starflight: While I love most of Disney's output, one scene in The Aristocats drives me absolutely nuts — the scene with the goose sisters. They're meant to be comic relief but come across as irritating, pushy, and doing more to hinder O'Malley than actually help him — even almost killing him at one point with their interference! They seem added only to pad out the story, and end up having little to no effect on the plot — the cats could have found their way out of the river and to Paris without their "help."
    • Geoduck: Mine would be the inclusion of painfully bad Chinese stereotypes during the song "Everybody Wants To Be a Cat". Doubly tragic because otherwise, it's a cool song and scene.
  • Kenya Starflight: Another Disney one — this time Zootopia. During the scene where people tell Judy off for giving them parking tickets, a child tells her "My mommy says she wishes you were dead." When is it ever okay to say this to a police officer who is just doing their job, even if it's one that mildly inconveniences you? Maybe I'm just suffering from Harsher in Hindsight given the horrific shootings of police officers that have taken place this year (2016), but wishing death upon an officer for simply upholding the law is inexcusable, even as a throwaway line in a movie.
    • SampaCM: Seconded. Although nothing to bare your teeth at, that particular line was pretty disturbing, even if it's just an innocent child repeating what her mom said. I guess it's no surprise that line was changed in the Latin American dub, and the child, instead says "My mommy says she doesn't want you near her".
  • Maths Angelic Version: Even though Kronk's New Groove wasn't as good as the first film, I didn't find it bad at all. The one moment I hate is when the naked Rudy busts into Kronk's house and asks for more of Yzma's youth potion. I understand that Disney wanted to show that Rudy is badly addicted to the stuff, but having him selling his clothes and making the scene Fan Disservice was unnecessary and squicky. It also demeans Rudy as a character. Why couldn't Disney at least have made him "borrow" a carpet (or something like that) and wrap it around himself? That would have kept some of his dignity and wouldn't have interfered with anything else in the film.
  • Theenglishman: The very sudden and out-of-place Shout-Out to Chinatown in the middle of Inside Out's climactic chase scene. Up until then, every Parental Bonus gag had either been in the background or was integrated into the plot somehow, but this one brought the entire chase to a complete halt for one joke which only a film buff would understand, and anyone who didn't would just think some poor cloud woman had been killed with two policemen making a quip about it for no good reason. Thankfully it's just one moment of suck, and the film picks up where it left off almost immediately afterward.
  • Maths Angelic Version: I had very little sympathy for King Triton in the original The Little Mermaid. He started off as an unlikable, intolerant and incompetent Jerkass, and while he did show some improvement later, it was too little, too late. Then comes The Little Mermaid III, which shows how he became a bigot. That'd make him a tragic character whom I'd finally understand and respect, right? Wrong. It turns out that this is the "explanation": He gives his wife, Athena, a music box. Then a pirate ship appears, and everyone escapes while the pirates are trying to steal their stuff. That is, everyone but Athena. She throws herself in front of the ship to try to save the music box. Unsurprisingly, she is crushed to death, and Triton blames the humans. The problem? If anyone is responsible for her death, which is essentially a stupid accident, it's Athena herself. It's not like some cruel humans murder her For the Evulz. She puts herself in harm's way for the stupid music box and has to pay the pricenote . Okay, the pirates probably didn't care that their ship killed her, but they didn't have much of a chance to avoid her. All in all, this attempt at making Triton a Tragic Bigot only made him even more unlikable to me. I realize that his bigotry isn't supposed to be justified, but it should at least be understandable. Otherwise, he just ends up looking like a villain. Him having some resent towards humans would be okay, but this is just stupid.
    However, the problems with the scene don't end with that. As a result of this incident, Triton bans music. It would have been understandable if he only forbade his subjects from playing music in his presencenote , but he takes music away from everyone and is a jerk about it. Sure, the ban is eventually lifted and he ends up enjoying music again, but The Little Mermaid shows us that he learns nothing about this "don't get mad at Ariel because of her interests, especially not if you won't even explain your feelings properly" thing. Thus, Athena's death is my DMoS for the series because it could have made the unsympathetic Triton more likable, but instead makes the situation worse. It shows us that he's the type who lets his emotions get the better of him, even when it obviously hurts his subjects. It shows us that his actions in The Little Mermaid are the result of him failing to learn his lesson the first time around. And it's all for the sake of his Too Dumb to Live wife. What an awful king. I can honestly say that Ursula ends up being far more likable than he is.
    • DrZulu2010: Speaking of The Little Mermaid III, we have to mention Ariel's Disney Death. Really, Disney?! Like You Would Really Do It?! Like you would really kill the main character of the original movie in this prequel?! Hell, I liked this trope for kids movies. But the thing is we have to make it work, we must not know if the character might survive at the time. This is why the Beast's, Megara's, Baymax's and, yes, even Gurgi's death, among many others are impacful; because we are not sure if they will come back to life (Granted, Disney wouldn't dare to kill off those characters... well... except maybe Gurgi) and when they came back, it gave the audience joy and happiness. But Ariel?! The movies are named after her! This is just as bad as thinking that Bambi might die in his midquel.
  • InsertCleverNameHere: I did not like DreamWorks Animation's Bee Movie at all, but one scene in particular infuriated me. After Barry wins the jury, we see him ordering all of the honey-producing factories to be shut down so that the bees can be free from their work and have the honey brought back to their hive. Okay, fair enough. But then they show a gag of an agent shooting Winnie the Pooh with a dart! Seriously?! I suppose some people would of found it to be hilarious, but to me this scene is not only completely unnecessary, but it is also a stab in the back of many people's childhoods and plays animal cruelty for laughs.
  • Statzkeen: Moana had the best music of any Disney movie since Lion King, and then nearly ruined it with that awful pop cover version of "How Far I'll Go" in the credits.
    • SenorCornholio: My biggest issue with yet another Disney movie that I overall happen to enjoy has to do with the action of leaving out Pua, Moana's pet pig. Even John Musker, one of the film's co-directors, had mixed feelings about this decision. The merch advertised him to have a larger part of the movie, and he would have been a great addition to the cast. Instead, Moana's accompanied by Heihei, who has all of one semi-important role in the film: saving the Heart of Te Fiti from being lost to sea which anyone else could have done. And to make matters worse, imagine the two animals bouncing off of each other's personalities. The thing that bothers me the most, however, is why he was removed: Moana's journey should be as difficult as possible, and Pua's inclusion would have gotten in the way of that. Okay, so we can't have him, but we can totally have Gummy's distant island-bound cousin? I call shenanigans. Whether this would have been better with Pua, or whether it would have been better with just Moana and Maui, this decision overall didn't help the film's semi-Broken Base.
  • Retloclive: The Liar Revealed moment of A Bug's Life will always be the part I dread sitting through the most when this film pops up on tv, because it's one massive contradiction when it comes to the ant colony. Early on, the ants all celebrate behind Flik's back for finally being rid of him when Flik departs from the colony to search for warrior bugs. Yet when the jig is up that what Flik brought back to the colony on accident were circus bugs, Princess Atta and the colony have no issue choosing to banish Flik for lying to them, even though they were the ones who originally lied about wanting Flik gone without him knowing. By that logic, every single one of them should have been banished, and Flik would have every right to tell them all to piss off if he ever found out that a bunch of liars threw him out for lying.
  • Big Jimbo: While A Goofy Movie is by no means a bad movie (at least in the original version, the Greek dub takes a lot of the charm out), it's one of my least favorite films. While one might argue that Max was in the wrong, I think both were right and wrong in various aspects. However, Goofy's actions annoyed me the most. I hated both the Lester's Possum Park scene and the scene where they almost crash after "On the Open Road" (where Max said Goofy could well have gotten them killed, but Goofy has the audacity to say navigating is a big responsibility) My DMOS is when Max gets a possum in his pants and Goofy starts dancing with him (it doesn't help that the scene of the people from Max's POV is eerily similar to the people mocking Quasi in one of the biggest Tear Jerkers in The Hunchback of Notre Dame, ending up hurting his feelings. He even called Max a party pooper earlier. Because not having your son with you totally ruins your fun. What does he get for that? Nothing, he just gets away with it and isn't presented as equally wrong as Max is for changing the route. If I recall correctly, he didn't even apologize for it! OK, he learned to let his son grow up at the end, but other than that, he has no significant consequences for causing that. This scene alone made Max's behavior more Strawman Has a Point than rude to me.
    • SenorCornholio: An Extremely Goofy Movie is a mixed bag for me. On one hand, it's definitely a lot of fun to watch at points, such as the signature disco scene. On the other, it seems to take place in an entirely different universe from the first movie at points. And probably my biggest complaint has to do with Max's Aesop Amnesia. Despite the above entry, the plot was about Max realizing how much he and his father mean to each other, and learning to be upfront with him. And by the end, Max has a better appreciation for Goofy than he had at the start of the film. So how does Extremely start Max's development? By having Max say, and I quote, "going off to college means no more well-meaning but totally smothering, overprotective, doting, ah-yucking dads?" Really, man? You two almost fell off of a waterfall together, and this is how you see him? I get that they still tried to make him somewhat sympathetic to Goofy's joblessness later in the film and still make him a good kid at heart, but this just made him come across as a disrespectful punk in the first few minutes of the film alone. If that entire aspect of Max's character was cut, it would have been a much better sequel to A Goofy Movie instead of just slightly above average.
  • Ryanruff 13: The trailer to Ralph Breaks the Internet has a gag where a bunny in a smartphone game is fed too many pancakes by Ralph and ends up exploding off-screen, much to a horror of a young girl playing the game on a tablet. This may be an unpopular opinion, but the joke ended up coming across to me as needlessly disgusting, not to mention rather predictable.note  And this is coming from somebody who's not overly squeamish and can usually handle dark stuff.
    • Loekman 3: While the movie is actually quiet good, the ending to the movie really sucked...basically Vanellope decides to abandon her own game in favor of the Shank racing game while parting ways with her best friend Ralph. I hated it because not only does it breaks the message from the first movie but she is basically selfishly leaving everyone behind in favor of her own dreams and invalidated whatever Character Development she had and essentially makes her no better that Turbo in that regard. I lost sympathy for her here what makes a great movie ended up being undermined by the Esoteric Happy Ending. Here's hoping that Frozen II does not follow the same example and has Anna leaving her sister behind for her own dreams...
    • synczomb: For me, the movie's Dethroning Moment would have to be the catalyst for the plot. Upon seeing that Ralph has made a new track for her, Vanellope decides to interrupt a game while the player is playing as her just to check it out, and her fighting over control of her cart is what leads to Sugar Rush breaking. Considering the fact that she's been a playable character for six years by the time this happened, you'd think she'd understand by now that a player should be allowed to play the game. Looking at it like this, the film almost seems like an Idiot Plot.
    • The Lucky Cat: I didn't hate this movie, but I found it kind of all over the place when it comes to the plot, and what I consider a Dethroning of Suck is the way the movie pretty much bends over backwards to make everything Ralph's fault. See, Vanellope gets what she always wanted, to be acknowledged as a Sugar Rush racer, but now she's bored of it! So already she looks really ungrateful, given how much she and Ralph went through in the first movie to both get recognised within their own games, only for Vanellope to whine about it not being challenging enough for her anymore. Then Sugar Rush's steering wheel breaks, which is Vanellope's fault because she tried to wrestle control from the player, something it's established in the first game is a really bad thing to do, like when Ralph messes with the first-person shooter in Hero's Duty. So she and Ralph have to go online to find a new steering wheel before Mr. Litwick gets rid of Sugar Rush. But Vanellope suddenly finds the Slaughter Race game and becomes determined to race in it, which already feels kind of stupid because even if she was treated like an outsider, she's still a Sugar Rush character and she acts like this game is her true calling despite being in it for all of five minutes. The movie then totally Hand Waves the initial reasons Ralph and Vanellope came online, by buying the freaking steering wheel offscreen (to the point where I didn't even realise they'd done that until the climax - the least they could have done was have a quick cutscene of it arriving at the Arcade or something!) and the whole "if you leave your game and get killed, it's Game Over!" thing from the first movie also immediately gets "fixed" with some bullshit about Vanellope and Ralph updating their codes, so instead of Ralph having very legitimate concerns about letting a child race around in an extremely dangerous environment she barely knows with strangers, the climax of the movie becomes all about Ralph being too clingy toward Vanellope. What?! Vanellope is going to abandon her own game, which she is the rightful ruler of, mind you, and all the Sugar Rush citizens and Ralph and gets to do all of that without once being called out on how selfish and ungrateful that looks? And sure, Shank does turn out to be a reasonable person, but a little kid deciding to run off with a bunch of adults she doesn't know and getting her way on the matter is not a great message in a family-movie. Not to mention, Ralph's relationship with Vanellope is kind of bizarrely-handled in this movie. They're friends, yet half the time he acts like a disapproving parent trying to reign in a bratty kid, then sometimes it's more a brother-sister relationship, but then when Vanellope fangirls over Shank, he starts acting almost like he's an insecure boyfriend and is worried Shank is going to steal Vanellope. Squick.
    • dmcreif: Personally, I think it'd be a more effective climax if Vanellope wasn't let off the hook. There'd be a stronger climax if it was focused on Vanellope's insecurity instead of Ralph, and the climax involved virus clones of Vanellope as well. Then the story would've been more effective, with a revised resolution where either Vanellope returns to Sugar Rush, and visits Slaughter Race after hours to fill her desire for unpredictability, or the same as the movie, but with the chance to say goodbye to Felix, Calhoun and the others.
  • Loekman 3: While The Lion King is easily my Disney favorite movie of all time, there is one moment that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth and that is when Simba has just returned to the Pride Lands after learning to move on from his past. See the Aesop here is that "The past is the past and you must face your fears in the present". All that's good, but then Scar proceeds to make Simba reveal that he himself is responsible for his own father's death. The DMOS here is that Simba goes back to his fearful self and none of the lionesses(Not even Sarabi or Nala) even bother to vouch for him despite the fact that they need him to free Pride Lands of Scar's tyranny, with the only reason that Simba and the lionesses even fight back is that Scar stupidly confesses that he killed Mufasa, which pretty much makes everything that Simba learned being completely meaningless and instead has the lesson that "You will only free yourself from the past if someone admits the truth and had lied all along".
  • Clown-Face: The Emoji Movie is an awful movie, and there are no shortage of moments that could qualify as its DMoS, but for me, it's when Gene screws up and wrecks the text center early on. After spending the previous scene pleading to his parents to let him work on the phone for the first time so he can finally fit in, what does Gene do? He immediately, and with no provocation, freaks out and proceeds to make a mess of the text center, endangering everyone else there in the process. His actions go beyond that of a newbie making a mistake, and just makes him look like an incompetent dumbass. What makes this such an Epic Fail on the movie's part is that they try to make Gene out as a sympathetic woobie being treated unfairly for being "different", and paints his father Mel in the wrong for not believing in him, but all Gene does is prove their viewpoint correct. And what adds to this is that in the climax, Mel tells Gene that he was wrong for not believing in him, and what's meant to be a heartwarming moment is again ruined because at this point, Gene has done nothing but continue to make matters even worse, as his actions have inadvertently caused Alex to try to delete the phone, and Gene has thus far done nothing to rectify this. So Mel's change of heart makes no sense because Gene has done nothing to show that Mel was wrong for not trusting him; if anything, he's just shown that Mel's earlier opinion of him was warranted.
  • The Almighty King Prawn: While The Lego Movie 2 The Second Part was nowhere near the first film in terms of quality, I still found it to be a very fun movie overall, with a great soundtrack, some funny jokes, and a little bit of the original film's charm. One thing about the movie bugs me however, and that is the Status Quo Is God applied to The LEGO Batman Movie. Essentially, the reason why Robin and Barbara aren't in the movie is handwaved away as... some unexplained event apparently caused them to leave/die/whatever and Batman is now alone with Alfred again. Not only does this pretty much make the whole film a "Shaggy Dog" Story, but it was completely unnecessary! Either let the Batman film be a separate canon from the Lego film (I thought it was in the first place due to everyone seeming to know who Bruce Wayne was in TLM and no one seeming to know in TLBM) or bring the characters along for the ride — I would have particularly loved to see Robin react to his new mom, but we will never get to see that or any other hilarious situations that Robin and Barbara may have gotten into in the Systar System.

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