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    Ymper Trymon 
Villain of The Light Fantastic and the first proper Discworld Big Bad. He is one of the wizards of Unseen University.

  • Alas, Poor Villain: Cries out "Help me!" to Rincewind as he transforms into a Thing.
  • Ambition Is Evil: Downplayed. His constant effort to kill Galder Weatherwax certainly doesn't help, but at the time of The Light Fantastic it was downright expected of the wizarding hierarchy for backstabbing and plotting.
  • Boring, but Practical: Unlike other wizards, rather than using magic to find Rincewind, he just hires a hero (wizards, as a rule, don't like heroes) and sends her to find him.
  • Cloudcuckoolander: Of the more sinister bent. He believes stars are untidy and inefficient.
  • Control Freak: He likes to make things orderly, efficient, and straightforward, and dislikes things that don't follow those ideas.
  • Demonic Possession: Is possessed by the Things during the course of the book he appears in.
  • Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu?: Rincewind defeats the possessed Trymon.
  • Evil Chancellor: To Galder Weatherwax.
  • Humanoid Abomination: Being possessed by Things From The Dungeon Dimensions can do that to you. Trymon was no exception.
  • Mad Mathematician: Trymon believes language should be replaced with an easily understood numerical system.
  • One-Winged Angel: Subverted / deconstructed. Despite being possessed by the Things, he still has a frail wizard body.
  • Squishy Wizard: Why the possessed Trymon could still be defeated by Rincewind. Rincewind is more physically fit than the average wizard.
  • Straight Edge Evil: He doesn't smoke or drink like his fellow wizards.
  • Uncanny Valley: In-universe, there's something unspeakably off about him that gives other wizards, who habitually study Things Man Was Not Meant To Know, a case of the Screaming Willies. And that's before the Things get their tentacles into him.
  • Younger Than They Look: He's about the same age as Rincewind (they were in the same classes), but he doesn't look it.
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    Ipslore the Red 
Villain of Sourcery. A former wizard from Unseen University who decided to use his Sourceror son to destroy the University, but then went even further overboard.

  • Abusive Parents: He forces his son Coin to commit evil deeds and uses magical Electric Torture when Coin tries to disobey. It’s implied he treated his first seven sons no better.
  • Chess with Death: More of a wager, but Death lampshades this trope when Ipslore tries negotiating with him at the beginning of Sourcery; Death is at least pleased that it isn't actual chess.
  • Color-Coded Wizardry: Ipslore the Red is a straight example.
  • Control Freak: He doesn't take no for an answer, at all.
  • The Dark Side Will Make You Forget: He starts with the redeeming quality of loving his wife, who died shortly before him, and his initial motivation is revenge for her death, which he blames on the Unseen University. Unfortunately, in the ten years between the prologue and the main story, he seems to have forgotten that, and is basically terrorising everybody in range of his wrath out of spite.
  • Disproportionate Retribution: Guilty of this on more or less a regular basis. Any defiance from Coin? Electric Torture. Get thrown out by Unseen University for breaking the rule of "no fathering children"? Murder many of his former colleagues via Coin (even those who likely weren't senior faculty at the time and therefore likely had nothing to do with the case), take over, terrorise Ankh-Morpork and eventually destabilise the Disc when reality starts to wear thin.
  • Empathic Weapon: Becomes one when he dies and his soul ended up in his wizard staff.
  • Even Evil Has Loved Ones: Had. He did genuinely love his wife, but ultimately got so absorbed in revenge that he becomes obsessed with power and never brings her up after the prologue.
  • Evil Sorceror: Evil? Check. Magic user? Check.
  • Hypocrite: Despite swearing revenge against the Unseen University for throwing him out, he ultimately ends up using the place as a stronghold and as a means of terrorising the non-magical world.
  • Loophole Abuse: In his dying moments, made a pact with Death that he'd never die so long as he was in his staff, provided Coin never threw it away (Death insisted on the rules that there be a loophole). So naturally Ipslore spent the next several years physically and emotionally abusing Coin to the extent he wouldn't function without being told what to do.
  • The Lost Lenore: His wife, who he did apparently genuinely love, died at least a short time before him. Unfortunately, The Dark Side Will Make You Forget and he treats their surviving son with contempt.
  • Magical Seventh Son: Eighth, but otherwise fits the trope. His son Coin, on the other hand, is the eighth son of an eighth son of an eighth son.
  • Motive Decay: Thanks to a bad case of The Dark Side Will Make You Forget. He starts wanting to get revenge on UU for chucking him out for marrying (which he blames for getting his wife killed), then forgets this in the ten year gap between prologue and main story. When he returns via his son, Coin (who he's abused despite Coin being the only reminder of his deceased wife), he turns it into his own dictatorship, takes over Ankh-Morpork and lets the wizards terrorise the now-helpless citizens.
  • Rhetorical Question Blunder:
    Ipslore: And what would humans be without love?
    Death: Rare.
  • Smug Super: Very conceited about the nature and power of magic, which wasn't much of a problem when he was just human. Once he gets access to a sourcerer, on the other hand... any time someone suggests, or absently mentions, that the wizards are not maybe the be-all and end-all of reality, Ipslore goes after them.
  • Vile Villain, Saccharine Show: Despite Sourcery still having quite a fair bit of humour to it, Ipslore is almost singlehandedly responsible for most of the book being Darker and Edgier than either Colour of Magic or Light Fantastic. Even after Death harvests his soul for good, the damage caused to the Disc still almost ends the world in two different ways and Rincewind ends up trapped in the Dungeon Dimensions.

    Lord Hong 
The Big Bad of Interesting Times. He is the Grand Vizier of the Agatean Empire.

  • The Ace: Deconstructed with Lord Hong. He's excellent at everything he attempts, but only because his civilisation is so stagnant that the standards for almost every activity have declined hugely.
  • Assassin Outclassin':
    "Fetch me another tea girl. One with a head."
    • Given this, it's unsurprising that he's eventually killed by a means no-one could possibly have predicted or planned for—Rincewind being randomly teleported away and replaced with a Barking Dog about to fire.
  • But for Me, It Was Tuesday: Twoflower knows Lord Hong has no idea his soldiers killed his wife, and as far as he's concerned that makes it worse.
  • The Chessmaster: Unfortunately for him, he and his usual opponents are so locked into this way of thinking that the Horde (who we are told think "The king and pawns rush up the board and set fire to the opposing rooks" is a good opening gambit) completely blind-sides and dominates him. He almost wins anyway, but it's due to sheer numbers after all his plans and strategies have failed.
  • Evil Chancellor: Is this and Rincewind and Cohen lampshade this.
    Rincewind: Grand Viziers are always —
    Cohen: — complete and utter bastards. Give 'em a turban with a point in the middle and it just erodes their moral wossname. I cut their heads off soon as I meet 'em, saves trouble later.
  • Evil Counterpart: Lord Hong is this with respect to Lord Vetinari, having the latter's magnificent bastardy and talent for Awesomeness by Analysis, but lacking his redeeming qualities and his clear insight into human nature, at least so far as guessing how the common folk will react to him or his plans. Of course, Hong considers peasants' nature to be less than human, so never saw any need to understand them in the first place.
  • Exact Words: Lord Hong promises an informant that he will never write or speak an order for his execution. He then folds an origami figure of the man... but doesn't have quite enough paper for a head.
  • Outscare the Enemy: He has a certain reputation.
    [The Lord Chamberlain] risked looking up and found the point of Cohen's sword just in front of his eyes.
    "Yeah, but right now who're you more frightened of? Me or this Lord Hong?"
    "Uh... Lord Hong!"
    Cohen raised an eyebrow. "Really? I'm impressed."
  • Scary Shiny Glasses: Wears one.
  • Smoldering Shoes: His final fate.
  • Tempting Fate: Near the end when Twoflower stands up to Lord Hong because someone has to, "Whatever happens to them", the villain sneers "Yes, let everyone see what happens." Hong is then blown up by the Barking Dog sent back to counterbalance Rincewind, who had been whisked away by a teleport spell.

Witches and Tiffany Aching

    Leonal Felmet and Lady Felmet 
Dual antagonists of Wyrd Sisters. They killed King Verence of Lancre and usurped the throne.

  • Ax-Crazy: Leonal. "The duke's mind ticked like a clock, and, like a clock, it regularly went cuckoo." Lady Felmet isn't much better. In fact, she might be far worse.
  • The Coroner Doth Protest Too Much: The Felmets claim that Verence died of natural causes. Absolutely everyone in the kingdom knows they're pulling this, but in Lancre they actually do consider assassination to count as natural causes for a king so they don't care. The ones that do protest find out that falling onto one's own dagger can be contagious.
  • Deadpan Snarker: Duke Felmet tries, occasionally, to be this, but finds it hard to do when his subjects are largely made up of people who Do Not Understand Sarcasm.
    "I'm not sure I made your orders clear, sergeant," said the duke, in snake tones.
    "Sir?"
    "I mean, it is possible I may have confused you. I meant to say 'Bring me a witch, in chains if necessary,' but perhaps what I really said was 'Go and have a cup of tea.' Was this in fact the case?"
    The sergeant wrinkled his forehead. Sarcasm had not hitherto entered his life. His experience of people being annoyed with him generally involved shouting and occasional bits of wood.
    "No, sir," he said.
  • Died Happily Ever After: Duke Leonal is quite happy being a ghost.
  • Faux Affably Evil: Leonal occasionally goes into this - he can be quite polite on occasion, but he is transparently mad and prone to violence.
  • Heel Realization: Subverted. Granny attempted to invoke this but Lady Felmet is fully aware of how evil she is and is in fact proud of it.
  • Karmic Death: Lady Felmet wouldn't have been killed by the angry kingdom if she had not escaped her imprisonment.
  • Lady Macbeth: Lady Felmet, for obvious reasons.
  • Last Villain Stand: Lady Felmet charges at the animals of the kingdom straight on despite her low chances of survival.
  • Nice Job Fixing It, Villain!: They could have ruled for a long while had they not made the Lancre witches their enemies.
  • Pragmatic Villainy: Lady Felmet proposes killing some of the guards for idiocy, but Leonal overrules this because it would mean killing a large number of their staff.
  • These Hands Have Killed: Leonal starts mutilating himself because he can't get the imaginary blood off his hands.
  • Villainous Valor: See Last Villain Stand above.

     Lilith Weatherwax 
A fairy-godmother and villain of Witches Abroad. She's Esme's older sister.

  • All Crimes Are Equal: In Lilith's Genua, thieves are beheaded on the first offence (under the logic that while cutting their hands off keeps them from stealing again, cutting their heads off keeps them from thinking of stealing again).
  • Baleful Polymorph: Lily turning the footmen, who we spent a while getting to know and sympathize with, into beetles. And stepping on them.
  • The Big Bad Wolf: She warps reality so it'd be like fairy tales. One tragic example involves making a wolf think more like a human so it will be a better villain (talking, opening doors, showing human-like cunning and so on). The wolf suffers horribly, stuck between species, and begs for a Mercy Kill.
  • Break Them by Talking/"World of Cardboard" Speech: Granny gives both to Lilith at the same time (pointing out why Lilith isn't suited to being evil and why Granny could do so much better, but doesn't).
  • Devour the Dragon: Lily eventually feels that she needs her magic for more important things than keeping the Duc human.
  • Esoteric Happy Ending: In-Universe. Many of Lily's 'stories' end this way, at least the ones that have happy endings.invoked
  • Evil Counterpart: Is this to Granny Weatherwax.
  • Evil Is Hammy: Subverted, to Granny's immense rage. Lily spent her whole life convinced that she was the good sister who was putting the needs of others over her own, and, so convinced of her own martyrdom, thus made herself a very understated and sinister foe. To Granny, who knew for a fact who was the good sister and who was the bad, this is almost a greater sin than any of Lily's actual wrongdoing, because Granny would have at least enjoyed it, making whole banquets of her surroundings and being bad enough to even top the legendary Black Aliss, who (when in Lily's role) could keep multiple stories going at once in the same place.
  • Fairy Godmother: An evil one who cares less for the well-being of others and more for making things like stories.
  • Fantasy Kitchen Sink: The Discworld itself is already one, but under Lilith, Genua became a Fairytale Kitchen Sink.
  • Felony Misdemeanour: She regards things like theft as a minor nuisance, nothing compared to the true evil of people not following the stories.
  • Foolish Sibling, Responsible Sibling: Granny Weatherwax wanted to be the irresponsible evil one, but because her elder sister, Lilly, beat her to the punch on that she felt forced to be the responsible good one. When both sisters are witches, you can see how this complicates family relationships.
  • Former Teen Rebel: She used to be one, when she was younger.
  • Genre Savvy: Lily is very familiar with the way stories work, and she's not afraid to abuse that knowledge.
  • The Glorious War of Sisterly Rivalry: Taken to its most extreme between Lilith and Esmerelda.
  • The Good Guys Always Win: Invoked. Lily is confident of her victory because she knows good always triumphs over wickedness; unfortunately for her, she's wrong about which part she plays.
  • Good Witch Versus Bad Witch: Granny vs. Lilith. The personalities are a bit unusual for the roles they take in this battle, and Lily thinks she is the good one.
  • Happiness Is Mandatory: Lillith turns Genua into a sparkling clean city full of blankly smiling citizens by dint of torture and execution.
    • this could be read as a Take That! to Disney World
  • Happy Ending: Subverted, with Lily murdering and ruining people's lives to get to what the stories demand. Then played straight, releasing the city from her grip lets everyone relax and party.
  • Humanity Ensues: Turns some animals human, though the only one who really benefits is The Duc.
  • Light Is Not Good: Lily dresses all in white and thinks of herself as a creator of happy endings.
  • Magic Mirror: It's specified that using one mirror for magic is fine, but Lily stands between two of them...
  • Palantir Ploy: Lilith can use her magic mirrors to scry through any reflective surface in the world. Subverted, as her inability to find what she wants to look at through any method other than manually scrolling through all available reflective surfaces makes it a bit Awesome, but Impractical.
  • Tautological Templar: Due to her mistaken belief that she's the good one, she thinks everything she does is good for everyone.
  • Theory of Narrative Causality: Lilith tries to order people's lives according to fairy-tale logic, twisting events so that they unfold according to the time-honoured patterns of stories. She thinks she's making the world a better place and giving people their happy ending, but really everyone would have been happier if she'd left them alone.
  • This Is My Name on Foreign: "Tempscire," Lilith's new last name, is "Weatherwax" in French.
  • Trampled Underfoot: Deliberately invoked on some coachmen by Lily, who turns them into beetles and stomps on them for failing her. Also the fate of the Duc, when he reverts to frog form and fatally encounters Baron Saturday's descending foot.
  • Utopia Justifies the Means: Lilith feels fully justified in using totalitarian methods to create a fairy tale kingdom.
  • Wrong Genre Savvy: Lilith thinks she's the kind fairy godmother who's giving everyone a happy ending, to the point where she invokes happy fairytale endings at sword-point. You'll live happily ever after or else.
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     The Elf Queen 
Big Bad of Lords and Ladies, The Wee Free Men and the second The Science of Discworld book, and also an important player in The Shepherd's Crown, she invaded Lancre when the walls between the universes weakened, and Roundworld when the wizards weren't paying attention. In her spare time she kidnaps human children.

  • Achilles' Heel: Like the other elves, she's highly vulnerable to iron due to it interfering with her ability to see magnetic force lines.
  • Bitch in Sheep's Clothing: A curious mix of this and Obliviously Evil. Thanks to her glamour powers she excels in making others believe she is a kind, just, fair and loving person — and, as is particularly noticeable in The Wee Free Men, this is also what she believes herself to be, even while repeatedly demonstrating that she is none of these things.
  • Can't Argue with Elves: She and other elves invoke this by placing a glamour to make humans feel inferior to them.
  • Creative Sterility: Elves don't learn. What don't learn can't live, what don't live can't grow.
  • Dramatically Missing the Point: When the wizards try creating Shakespeare, she assumes they're trying to get rid of human imagination. It's more the opposite - they want to encourage it.
  • Eldritch Abomination: The Elf Queen comes pretty close. From what Nanny Ogg says, the King is far closer. He even looks the part.
  • Evil Is Petty: Part of being an elf. Just before going to fight Magrat, she alters her appearance to look like the "ideal" Magrat, the one she wishes she looked like (and, apparently, how Verence has always seen her) just to further twist the knife in. Granny takes note as one expert in "professional nastiness" to another.
  • The Fair Folk: One of them. "No-one ever said elves are nice..."
  • The Final Temptation: She tries bribing Rincewind into giving up on helping Roundworld humans develop imagination, but it fails because Rincewind's one and only desire (aside from some nice boredom) is potatoes. She's utterly baffled and irritated by this, and storms off without giving him so much as a packet of crisps.
  • Given Name Reveal: In the very last book, her name is revealed to be Nightshade.
  • Glamour Failure: Literal, when Magrat defeats the Queen and sees her real self, not the image she projects - a rather small and pathetic figure of alien proportions.
  • Heel–Face Turn: Gradually, over the course of The Shepherd's Crown.
  • Lady in Red: This is the image she projects through glamour. In The Science of Discworld, she changes to Evil Wears Black.
  • Meaningful Name: Nightshade's common name, belladonna, translates to beautiful lady.
  • Never Learned to Read: Elves don't read. They get other people to do the reading for them.
  • Nice Job Fixing It, Villain!:
    • She hits Magrat with the full force of her glamour, stripping away the witch's ego... and revealing the iron-hard core beneath.
    • She and her elves invaded Roundworld, inadvertently leading to mankind having imagination, and Shakespeare. In fact, in trying to stop the wizards, she only helps them.
  • No Name Given: Until the very final book, The Shepherd's Crown.
  • "The Reason You Suck" Speech: Granny Weatherwax verbally eviscerates the Elf Queen. The Queen tries to fire back... and Granny just laughs in her face.
    Granny: I'm better than you. And madam, that ain't hard.
  • Redemption Equals Death: In The Shepherd's Crown, a Humiliation Conga courtesy of the usurper Peaseblossom, being kicked out of Fairyland nearly breaks her, and Tiffany's refusal to kill a helpless enemy and careful demonstration of how Good Feels Good slowly makes her undergo a Heel–Face Turn... and then in the final battle she gets herself killed trying to protect Tiffany.

    Salzella 
The Big Bad of Maskerade. He works at the Opera House.

  • Corpsing: A blink-and-you'll-miss-it subversion towards the end, when Andre, the Cable Street Particular who'd been investigating the goings-on at the opera house, mentions that Salzella's cooling body needs to be dealt with.
  • Deadpan Snarker: He takes it so far he almost becomes the Meta Guy who subsists on Black Comedy.
  • Doing It for the Art: In-Universe example: Salzella tells Mr. Bucket this is the reason why anyone produces opera, as it makes no money. It turns out he's lying through his teeth, as he's stealing all the profits and actually hates opera with a passion.
  • Dude, Not Funny!: In-universe example. Salzella makes several jokes about people who have just been murdered; Mr. Bucket finds them distasteful. Once it was revealed that Salzella was the one committing the murders, it becomes a bit Harsher in Hindsight.
  • Falling Chandelier of Doom: Tries to invoke this but was thankfully thwarted in the attempt.
  • Frame-Up: Part of his plan involved framing Walter for all the crimes he did by impersonating as Walter's alter ego The Ghost.
  • Hypocritical Humor: Gives a long Final Speech about how ridiculous opera conventions like the long Final Speech are. This comes not long after he claims to be the Only Sane Man, using multiple exclamation marks (a sure sign of madness).
  • Kick the Dog: When we first meet him, Salzella appears to be a fairly normal guy, if with a very cynical sense of humor. However, his true colours shine through a bit when he mocks Agnes for her weight behind her back.
  • Lampshade Hanging: Just listen to his death rant:
    "... and the worst thing about opera is the way everyone takes... such!!! ... a!!!! long!!!!! time!!!!! ... to!!!!! ...argh...argh...argh...." (dies).
  • Only Sane Man: Salzella believed himself to be this but it becomes clear that he is very wrong: "You don't know what it has been like, I assure you, being the only sane man in this madhouse!!"

    The Magpyrs 
A family of vampires who are the villains of Carpe Jugulum. They consist of the Count de Magpyr, the Countess, and their adult children, Vlad and Lacrimosa.

  • Above Good and Evil: They claim to be Above Good and Evil.
  • Acquired Poison Immunity: The de Magpyrs have built up a tolerance to, among other things, garlic, holy water, sunlight, and OCD. This actually ends up backfiring on them, when they realise that their weakness to holy symbols is dependent on them recognising the symbols, and their training has given them a very broad knowledge of holy symbols, many of which are common geometric figures.
  • Affably Evil: Count de Magpyr insists that he is Affably Evil and talks like a self help guru. His attempts at being friendly and affable lead to him being a far greater horror than his genuinely Affably Evil uncle.
  • Assimilation Backfire: The Magpyrs suck Granny Weatherwax's blood and attempt to turn her. She survives the experience without becoming a vampire; the Magpyrs aren't so lucky, however, as feeding on Granny Weatherwax has allowed her to turn them. By the end, they're craving tea instead of blood and even talking like her.
  • Classical Movie Vampire: Count von Magpyr pointedly doesn't look like this. The Old Count does.
  • Contractual Genre Blindness: They consciously avoided this and took care to eliminate their weaknesses, but their attempts backfired, see above.
  • Daywalking Vampire: They have gotten rid of their sunlight problems with the power of positive thinking.
  • Even Evil Has Standards: The Count, to a little extent. When Lacrimosa mentions they should put Granny out of her misery, she likens it to when the Count said the same thing about her cat. The Count clarifies that what he really meant was for her to stop what she was doing to it.
  • Genre Savvy: They train themselves to overcome vampire weaknesses, and mock the old count for his Hammer Horror style Genre Blindness - easily-opened curtains, objects easily broken into holy symbols and stakes, copious holy water, etc. Subverted however, when it turns out the Old Count is far more Genre Savvy than his offspring. He deliberately allows humans to exploit his weaknesses so that, being an easily dispatched villain and giving the village boys something to feel good about, he is never Killed Off for Real.
  • Heel Realization: The Count outright asks the villagers of Escrow to look at him, and then at the newly-resurrected previous Count, believing that the comparison will convince them that he's the better of the two. But Villainous Breakdown ensues when he realizes that being Genre Savvy is considered far, far worse than the old Count's intentional use of the Villain Ball. Vlad gets this too, presumably, since he genuinely believes that the alternative for Escrow that his father offers is better than what it used to be.
  • I Love You Because I Can't Control You: Vampire mind control and mind reading doesn't work well on Agnes (because Perdita interferes). Vlad finds that fascinating.
  • Industrialized Evil: The orderly and systematic blood-draining that takes place in the villages surrounding the Magpyr estate horrifies Agnes more than anything else the vampires do.
  • Noble Demon: The Count views himself as this, but he's horribly wrong.
  • Our Vampires Are Different:
    • Thanks to the Count training them with a little exposure at a time, the Magpyrs are not affected by traditional vampire weaknesses such as garlic, holy symbols, holy water, and sunlight.
    • Also, the vampires of the Magpyr family turn into flocks of magpies instead of bats.
    • They're also capable of conventional reproduction, as Vlad and Lacci were both born as vampires.
  • Pragmatic Villainy: The Count occasionally objects to his daughter's sadistic habits, but not for altruistic reasons. They discuss the phoenix, concluding that it's absurd for a bird to burn. After all, Lacrimosa tried with a chicken — the count says that she really should have killed it first because at least then it would've been quieter.
  • Reminiscing About Your Victims: The Count and Countess have a textbook example when they recall their honeymoon.
    Countess: And we met such lovely people. Do you remember Mr and Mrs Harker?
    Count: Very fondly. I recall they lasted nearly all week.
  • Screw the Rules, I Have Money!: The Count uses his wealth to establish his own idea of order in his hometown.
  • Villainous Breakdown: The Magpyrs go through this, as their idea of what "modern vampirism" is about gets stripped away, leaving the bloodthirsty, power-hungry monsters at their core.
  • Your Vampires Suck: The Magpyrs practice this In-Universe toward their fellow vampires.

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Death series

    The Duke of Sto Helit 
An antagonist in Mort (though not the antagonist). The Duke is the Evil Uncle of Princess Keli, who aims to kill her and take over the Kingdom.

  • Cain and Abel: The Cain to the King's Abel; fittingly enough, the Duke kills the king.
  • Didn't See That Coming: He adapts well to it, but he's taken aback by
  • Dropped a Bridge on Him: Mort and Death fight and accidentally smash his life-timer, killing him via sudden heart-attack.
  • Evil Uncle: To Princess Keli; best shown when he comforts her after her father's death (which he orchestrated, no less), then plots to kill her as well.
  • Faux Affably Evil: Despite his polite facade, he's an Evil Uncle to the core.
  • Karma Houdini: The duke was one in the original timeline, going on to be known in history as a successful King and unifying the Sto Plains under one single kingdom. However, he dies of a sudden heart attack, subverting this.
  • Visionary Villain: He has the aim of uniting the various duchies and small kingdoms of the Sto Plains into one large, single kingdom that lasts for a hundred years. When he dies, Keli is given this task to ensure the timeline remains more or less on course.
  • You Have Outlived Your Usefulness: He was thoughtful enough to give the assassin that killed the King a packed lunch. Said lunch is poisoned.

    The New Death 
The secondary antagonist in Reaper Man, the New Death is the replacement sent to kill "Old" Death by the Auditors of Reality and take his place.

  • A God Am I: In its brief existence, it counters Death's anger as such, showing that if it doesn't regard itself as a deity, it at least thinks of itself as something along those lines:
    Death: A crown?! I never wore a crown!
    New Death: You never wanted to rule.
  • Awesome, but Impractical: It's noted that its skeletal horse is not, in fact, something pleasant for most to ride on, as it would give you no end of arse-ache and can't eat anything.
  • Clap Your Hands If You Believe: A standard for the Discworld; the New Death's malevolence is based on the fact that modern people tend to treat death as more fearful and less of a natural occurrence than people in the past.
  • Dark Is Evil: To contrast the Death we know and love.
  • Don't Fear the Reaper: Averted with a vengeance - unlike the regular Death, this incarnation is malicious, cruel and views all life as something to dominate and rule over as a king. Humanity's imagination of how Death should look like is to blame, it seems.
  • The Dragon: To the Auditors in Reaper Man, though he only appears towards the end.
  • Evil Cannot Comprehend Good: The New Death is unable to understand why Miss Flitworth would give up some of her own time on the earth to give Death a chance to defeat it.
  • In the Hood: Like Death, it has a hooded robe. Unlike Death, there is seemingly nothing underneath.
  • "The Reason You Suck" Speech: It and "Old" Death trade these back and forth throughout their fight.
  • Rule of Drama: Unlike Death, who occasionally has dramatic moments, New Death downright relishes the opportunity to show off and terrorise. It deliberately arrives at midnight, accompanied by thunderbolts. Death, being Genre Savvy, exploits this to maximise the time he has to prepare.
  • Shout-Out: Its described appearance borrows a few cues from the Witch-King of Angmar, though the Witch-King himself borrows a few cues from the depiction of Death of Paradise Lost.
  • Showdown at High Noon: Played with; Death's battle against the New Death of Men takes place at midnight rather than high noon, and Death is unamused at his counterpart's ham-handed attempt at "drama".
  • When the Clock Strikes Twelve: This is when the new Death will turn up. The new Death deliberately chose this time in order to heighten what Death dismissively refers to as "drama".
  • Would Hurt a Child: Unlike "Old" Death, this one actively takes pleasure from harvesting the souls of children.

    Mr Clete 
A secondary antagonist in Soul Music, Mr Clete is the Secretary of the Musicians Guild and constantly making efforts to kill the Band with Rocks In.

  • Almighty Janitor: He wields a lot of power in the Musicians' Guild despite being just its secretary, to the point that he can call assassinations on unlicensed musicians.
  • Annoying Laugh: "Hat, Hat, Hat". Ridcully is quick to mock it in the climax.
  • Big Bad Wannabe: Clearly assumes he's the brains in the Guild, and while a threat to the Band, he's clearly unprepared for the interference of Susan Sto Helit or Ridcully in his would-be murder attempts. He's also not the chief antagonist - that falls to The Music.
  • Disproportionate Retribution: His entire vendetta against the Band is itself over-the-top, and eventually he keeps trying purely because their survival seems to anger him. This vendetta angers him so much that when his underling Satchelmouth says he liked the Band, he throws him to his apparent death; Satchelmouth survives, while Clete does not.
  • Dreadful Musician: Despite being in the Musicians Guild. Justified in that even musicians need someone to run the numbers and keep things going.
  • Evil Has a Bad Sense of Humor: He laughs at things nobody else finds funny.
  • Evil Is Petty: While Ankh-Morpork guilds are known to enforce membership fees seriously, Clete takes it a step further with his pursuit of the Band with Rocks in and subsequent attempts to kill them.
  • Jerkass: Even before attempted murder, he's unsympathetic and unpleasant.
  • Jumping Off the Slippery Slope: Mr. Clete just starts out as an Obstructive Bureaucrat, who wants to stop The Band from performing music without a Guild license. Over the course of the novel, as The Band becomes more and more famous, he becomes increasingly obsessed with them, seeing their popularity as a threat to the entire Musicians Guild, and attempts several times to have them killed. He eventually loses it completely, leading to his own death.
  • Necessary Evil: Mr. Clete is not, in as many words, an evil person. He's just the logical result of having organised guilds everywhere. Without him, the Musician's Guild would just be a bunch of broke musicians who never pay their fees. With that said, the book's comparison to a plague rat shows he's still pretty disgusting regardless.
  • Obstructive Bureaucrat: Starts this way by just blocking the Band from performing, then goes overboard.
  • Undignified Death: Post-death, in that it's not Death who collects him, but the Death of Rats. Clete ranks as so inhumanly petty, mundane and loathsome that he's closer to a rodent than a human being.

    Jonathan Teatime 
The villain of Hogfather, is the personification of terrifying or just plain badass. He's one of the Assassins' Guild scholarship boys, taken in because both his parents died when he was young and they felt sorry for him. As Lord Downey put it, "Perhaps we should have wondered a bit more about that."

  • Adaptation Distillation: Say what you will about the movie adaptation as a whole, their version of Teatime was so disturbingly convincing that it's likely to color your perception of him forever afterward.
  • Ax-Crazy: He has a wonderful mind, like a shattered mirror - all facets and rainbows, glittering and sparkling. But ultimately, you can't get around that it's something broken.
  • Crazy-Prepared: He spends his free time working out how to kill mythological figures, which comes in handy. Perhaps subverted in the fact that he spends his spare time planning to kill supposedly fictional or metaphorical characters simply because he has literally nothing else to do with his spare time. He's insane, and magically supplemented. 'Nuff said.
  • Double Jump: Somehow. He's got a magical item as a glass eye. Discworld magic. Being able to Double Jump is the least of his abilities.
  • Faux Affably Evil: Despite his politeness, it's readily apparently that Teatime is neither benevolent nor the picture of perfect sanity.
  • The Heavy: The Auditors of Reality may have commissioned his services, but Teatime is the one moving the plot and thought up the way to kill the Hogfather.
  • It Is Pronounced "Tro-PAY": "Teh-ah-tim-eh"
  • Kick the Dog: One of the first things we learn about him is that he nailed someone's dog to the ceiling to stop it from barking.
  • Psycho for Hire: This guy is a mad man, and he was given the task of killing the Hogfather.
  • Psychopathic Manchild: Oh boy, this guy kills people the very moment they stop being useful to him, all while maintaining a childish immaturity. The effect is rather creepy, to say the least.
  • Red Right Hand: His Mismatched Eyes, which are the trope image.
  • Self-Made Orphan: Heavily implied.
  • Slasher Smile: Mr. Teatime really, really enjoys his job.
  • The Sociopath: Mr. Teatime sees things differently from people; he sees people as things.
  • Stupid Evil: Teatime immediately kills anyone who stops being of use to him, with no thought to the long-term consequences or even whether or not this person might become useful again later. If he'd survived the mission, the Assassins and Thieves would likely have had him killed just because of all the incredibly valuable experts he went through. Combined with The Sociopath: he's physically incapable of thinking of people as anything beyond 'assets' beyond the moment. It's anything but a justification for him, but quite a justification for Downey not particularly minding that he dies.
  • There Is No Kill Like Overkill: Teatime's nature becomes disturbingly plain when Downey reproaches him for the enthusiasm with which he inhumed not only the client, but two servants and a guard-dog who might have been in the way. Teatime made very sure his client was dead. He even checked for breath with a mirror while the man's head was several feet from his body.
  • "Uh-Oh" Eyes: Doubly so when you remember that on Discworld nothing can change the person's eyes...
  • You Have Outlived Your Usefulness: Pretty much everybody he employs.

City Watch series

     Lupine Wonse 
The leader of The Elucidated Brethren of the Ebon Night and an antagonist of Guards! Guards!. His society planned to use a dragon for their attempt to take over Ankh-Morpork.

  • And I Must Scream: The Dragon turns him into its servant through hefty Mind Rape, to the point that he begs for an Assassin to kill him.
  • Bad Boss: The odd Pet the Dog moment aside, he's generally demeaning to the Brethren and considered killing some of them once they were no longer of use.
  • The Cat Came Back: Was tormented by Vetinari this way after the Dragon was dealt with.
  • Disney Villain Death: Carrot throws a book at him after interpreting Vimes' order literally and Wonse is knocked down, falling to his death.
  • Evil Is Not a Toy: The Dragon eventually turns on Wonse and seizes control of events to become the Big Bad of the book. He still doesn't learn his lesson after this, trying the ritual again only for Vimes to stop him.
  • Godzilla Threshold: Towards the end, he attempts to summon a second dragon despite the first fairly easily turning Ankh-Morpork into its personal fiefdom, because he's just that desperate to deal with the threat. Quite what would have happened had he succeeded is anyone's guess.
  • Hypocrite:
    • He moans that the city is run by idiots and aims to change this... by replacing them with people just short of him in terms of intelligence.
  • Hypocritical Humour: From his own internal monologue: Do away with the cold inhumanity of the Patrician and bring about an age of enlightenment and kindness, where people like Brother Dunnikin will be roasted over slow flames if he has anything to say about it, which he will.
  • In the Hood: Exploited in his guise as Supreme Grand Master.
  • Mouth of Sauron: Is reduced to this once the Dragon gets a hold of him.
  • Pet the Dog: While an unrepentant schemer with little regard for most of his underlings, he does chip in money for an injured co-conspirator to get better. He also chastises Vimes for startling the head of the Teacher's Guild and leaving him a bit emotionally shaken.
  • Post-Climax Confrontation: While Vimes and Wonse do face off on a few occasions, their final confrontation is after the Dragon is dealt with, with the Palace Guard providing a final roadblock.
  • Rightful King Returns: He and his secret society attempted to invoke this and discussed the trope in general.
  • Smug Snake: Vastly overestimates his ability to control the Dragon and thinks he can do a better job of running Ankh-Morpork than Vetinari can.
  • The Starscream: The first of many that would seek to overthrow Lord Vetinari. He temporarily succeeds, but then the Dragon usurps him... leading to Wonse trying to summon another dragon to deal with the first one.
  • Summon Bigger Fish: Was going to summon a second dragon after the first one turned on him, but Vimes stopped him.
  • Surrounded by Idiots: Wonse frequently has this reaction to his own subordinates, who are generally as thick as a plank.
  • You Have Outlived Your Usefulness: Was planning on this with some of the Brethren, but the Dragon saved him the bother.

    The Elucidated Brethren of the Ebon Night 
The various people assembled by Lupine Wonse for his secret society to overthrow Lord Vetinari. Their ranks were filled by those who were so far down the Ankh-Morpork food chain that even Vetinari's network of spies failed to take notice.

  • Antiquated Linguistics: The oath of loyalty sworn by them, especially what happens if they break faith, is full of obscure and antiquated words; the Supreme Grand Master takes the fact that none of them have asked what any of the words mean as a sign of their stupidity:
    • There's a running joke that they're all in mortal fear of having their figgin taken out and toasted on a spike, without any of them being entirely sure what a figgin is. (A footnote tells us it's a pastry filled with raisins, and the guards enjoy some later on.)
    • Other words in the oath include welchet ("a type of waistcoat worn by certain clock-makers"), gaskin ("a shy, grey-brown bird of the coot family") and moules ("a game of skill and dexterity, involving tortoises"). The oath, when one doesn't know the meaning of the words in it, sounds much more menacing than it actually is.
  • Be Careful What You Wish For: The members of the Elucidated Brethren of the Ebon Night just wanted what was coming to them. They didn't realise that, in a case of Exact Words, this meant they'd die.
    Death: Congratulations.
  • Bread, Eggs, Milk, Squick: Colon comes across the rota for the building they hire. Their name stands out like a sore thumb compared to a life-drawing class and a pottery team.
  • Didn't Think This Through: It's noted that in stealing from the University, the Brethren have angered both the Thieves Guild and the Unseen University (pre-Ridcully's tenure, so they were still vicious bastards even after the events of Sourcery); indeed, the Librarian ends up cluing Vimes in on what might have happened during his own investigations.
  • Disproportionate Retribution: Brother Watchtower has the Dragon incinerate his brother-in-law's cart out of spite, while Brother Doorkeeper targets a vegetable seller for irritating him.
  • Dumbass Has a Point: When Wonse berates them for not doing their job properly, he is called out by them for not actually telling them what they need to do. He (mentally) admits that this is one of the few times they're right.
  • Epic Fail: Brother Doorkeeper's passwords are so bad that he lets in a member of a different secret society, who doesn't realise the mistake until the meeting is well underway.
  • Evil Is Petty: A lot of their grievances, while driven by their being at the bottom of the Ankh-Morpork hierarchy, are less about "oppression" and more frustration that other people are better off than they are. For one, Brother Watchtower has the Dragon incinerate his brother-in-law's cart out of spite, while Brother Doorkeeper targets a vegetable seller for irritating him. This is, in fact, entirely the reason Wonse recruited them - he wanted easily-led idiots with "stomachs full of bile" who could be talked into doing what he said.
  • Evil Smells Bad: Brother Dunnikin smells horrible because of his halitosis.
  • The Guards Must Be Crazy: Brother Doorkeeper isn't a great doorkeeper, and accidentally lets the wrong society member in.
  • Imperfect Ritual: The Elucidated Brethren of the Ebon Night are trying to summon a dragon, and the cult leader orders the brethren to find magical objects to sacrifice. They come up with really low grade magical junk, like a still-fizzing letter from a bar and an amulet the Snake Oil Salesman swore was magical (though, oddly enough, for once he seemed to be telling the truth). It doesn't seem to cause any problems except that they can only summon the dragon for a few seconds at a time before the magic runs out.
  • Insane Troll Logic: Their definitions of "oppression" fall into this combined with Disproportionate Retribution.
  • Karmic Death: As (sym)pathetic and "down the food chain" as they may have been, their death by incineration was fully deserved given their terrorising the city, especially those that had wronged them.
  • Maximum Fun Chamber: The Oath of the Brethren is basically this; that nobody questions it is taken by Wonse as a sign of the group's stupidity. Results in a Brick Joke when Brother Fingers mistakes an offer for a toasted pastry as a threat of torture.
  • Oh, Crap!: The entire group has this reaction when the Dragon lands on the roof, although they don't actually know what's happened until after the event.
  • Only Known by Their Nickname: All of them, with the exception of the Supreme Grand Master (Lupine Wonse) and Brother Fingers (Bengy Boggis).
  • Rightful King Returns: They're oddly knowledgeable about this despite otherwise being relatively stupid.
  • Secret Circle of Secrets: Played for Laughs in that they're not the only secret society in Ankh-Morpork, and subsequently the members of the various groups go into the wrong secret meetings on at least two occasions.
  • Shout-Out: Their name seems to take inspiration from the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.
  • Smarter Than You Look: Brother Watchtower is noted by Wonse to actually be quite intelligent, or at least less stupid than the rest of the group, and Wonse thus keeps an eye out of him.
  • Sole Survivor: Brother Fingers is the only one of the five not to be incinerated by the Dragon; he had gone out to order pizza for the group and happened to not arrive back before the . What happened to him afterwards is anyone's guess.
  • Uncertain Doom: It's unknown if Brother Fingers survived running into the Shades out of sheer terror.
  • You Have Outlived Your Usefulness: Wonse secretly planned to inflict this on at least some of them after the conspiracy was completed. The Dragon saved him the bother.

    The Noble Dragon 
The other main antagonist of Guards! Guards!. A dragon summoned by the Brethren as part of their scheme.


  • Artistic License – Biology: Lampshaded multiple times throughout the story, with some discrepancies explained scientifically and others explained by magic.
  • The Dog Bites Back: The "dog" in this case is angry when you use it as a pawn, grant it freedom temporarily and then imprison it again.
  • Dragon Ascendant: Quite literally, when it usurps Wonse.
  • Even Evil Has Standards: Upon examining Wonse's mind, it is horrified by some of the things humans have inflicted upon one another in the name of "morality".
  • Evil Is Not a Toy: In this case, it is the "evil" someone tried using as a toy.
  • Karma Houdini: It technically gets a happy ending by flying away with Errol, despite burning multiple people alive and eating at least two on-page.
  • Mind Rape: Inflicts this upon Lupine Wonse to a horrifying degree, even if it is deserved to some extent.
  • Pet the Dog: It genuinely does seem to love Errol.
  • Samus Is a Girl: Assumed to be a male throughout most of the book, but turns out that it's actually a female.

    Edward d'Eath 
The Big Bad of Men at Arms. Edward is an Impoverished Patrician who, having fallen on hard times, decides that it is time the Rightful King Returns.

  • Affably Evil: Most of the time, he's genuinely quite nice and polite.
  • Anti-Villain: Edward isn't a malicious or mean person in the slightest, just desperate to try and restore what he thinks is best for society.
  • Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass: It may seem easy to mock him given his reduced circumstances and stammer-like pauses, but he ends up graduating from the Assassin's Guild postgraduate course with full marks, which is no mean feat.
  • Dead All Along: Dr Cruces had actually killed him about a third of the way through the story.
  • Rightful King Returns: Much like Wonse before him, though unlike Wonse Edward is sincere in his belief and actually had found the "rightful" king.
  • Well-Intentioned Extremist: He genuinely believes bringing the monarchy back is a good thing, seeing Vetinari as a tyrant holding the aristocracy back; throughout the book, he expresses regret for his actions and didn't actually mean to kill anyone. Dr Cruces eventually came to the same conclusion.

    Dragon King of Arms 
The Big Bad of Feet of Clay. He is a vampire who works as the Ankh Morpork's herald, tracing genealogies and making coat of arms.

  • But for Me, It Was Tuesday: Part of what drives Vimes to rage is that Dragon didn't know who Mrs Easy and her grandchild were and probably doesn't care that they died as collateral damage due to his machinations.
  • Evil Has a Bad Sense of Humor: Dragon King of Arms loves his heraldic wordplay. This becomes important later, as it turns out one of these "jokes" was a vital clue.
  • Faux Affably Evil: Most apparent when meeting with Vimes for the first time, where he's polite but nevertheless clearly up to something.
  • Hoist by His Own Petard: Subverted. Vimes claims to have put holy water in the wick of the candle that was lighting the room in which he confronted Dragon, but is implied to be bluffing]].
  • Incredibly Lame Pun: Made several. Some are in fact clues to the murder plot.
  • Karma Houdini: Vimes was worried that Dragon would get away with what he did due to how influential he was but he managed to subvert the trope. See below.
  • Look on My Works, Ye Mighty, and Despair!: Dragon King of Arms (whose long life grants him a certain perspective on these things) reflects:
    Men said things like "peace in our time" or "an empire that will last a thousand years," and less than half a lifetime later no one even remembered who they were, let alone what they had said or where the mob had buried their ashes.
  • Obviously Evil: Made apparent in his second scene if not the first. It's part of the reason the book's a howdun nit rather than a whodunnit.
  • Our Vampires Are Different: In a possible case of Early Installment Weirdness, he seems to be the only shown vampire in discworld with wings in his humanoid form.
  • Poetic Justice: Vimes, upon realising that Dragon is too influential for Vetinari to punish, uses a candle to burn the genealogies which Dragon has worked on for centuries.
  • Smug Snake: He actually showed Vimes a vital clue early on in the story.
  • Verbal Tic: Dragon, ahaha, King of Arms.

    Prince Cadram 
The Big Bad of Jingo. He is the head of Klatch, who seeks to unify the country by starting a war against Ankh-Morpork.
  • Affably Evil: A genuinely affable man with a vision for Klatch, who nevertheless won't hesitate to murder his own brother for the war effort.
  • Deadpan Snarker: Gets some brilliant jabs in at Rust's racist views.

    Wolfgang Von Uberwald 
One of the two villains of The Fifth Elephant, Wolfgang served as the more obvious of the two Big Bads. He is a dangerous werewolf, and Angua's brother.

  • All Animals Are Dogs: Werewolves, as beings stuck between humans and wolves, are very doglike, to the point of disliking the words 'bath' and 'vet'. This gets him killed in the climax when he catches the signal flare Vimes shoots with his mouth.
  • Ax-Crazy: Partly because he doesn't bother trying to control his violent nature as a werewolf and partly because he has been brought up by a family of Fantasy Nazis.
  • Batman Gambit: Wolfgang and the other Game-playing werewolves employ this trope to put Sleeps and Skimmer right where they want them.
    • Used against him in the climax, when Vimes kills him by playing off his dog-like instincts to get him to catch a powerful firework in his mouth.
  • Convenient Escape Boat: Subverted and Invoked, because werewolves really are very clever.
  • Danger Takes a Backseat: Wolfgang's pack are fond of a low-tech variant, waiting under a tarp in a rowboat for an unsuspecting quarry to climb aboard.
  • Determinator: Even after falling off a waterfall in a life-and-death struggle with a very large, very clever wolf called Gavin, and Gaspode (who, though small, has a street fighter's knack for the Groin Attack), he isn't finished yet, leading to the Post-Climax Confrontation.
  • The Dreaded: To most people in Uberwald, since he's a nigh unkillable sadistic psychopath rendered even harder to actually hurt by the fact that silver isn't mined in Uberwald, leaving only fire as a weakness.
    • Insofar as he's actually afraid of anyone, he's afraid of Angua, and for good reason - she off-handedly remarks that she could always send him away howling, intends to break up his 'Game' (which means taking on his entire pack, albeit with Gavin's help. Gavin, by the way, is a wolf), and in their one on-page fight (admittedly while Wolfgang wasn't in the best of shape) she kicks the crap out of him and sends him running, getting only scratches in return. The only thing she's afraid of is what he might do to Carrot.
  • Evil Counterpart:
    • To Angua, most prominently, to the point where she uses him as an example of why she's so flighty and so scared of going bad. He is quite literally what she would be if she lost her conscience.
    • Also, to an extent, to Vimes, as noted under Not So Different.
  • Faux Affably Evil: Behind the sometimes-polite and cheerful facade is a sadistic murderer who takes pride in hurting others and hunting people like sport. Best shown when he pretends to be sporting with Vimes in offering him a chance to win four hundred crowns, then quickly shows his angry side when Vimes brings up Angua.
  • For the Evulz: Unlike Dee, who had a tragic if misguided motivation for the plot, Wolfgang just joined in because it would see trolls and dwarfs killing each other en masse and he found such a prospect funny.
  • Groin Attack: From Gaspode. Until he's killed, it's the one thing that actually seems to hurt him/slow him down - or at least, make him jump straight up.
  • Just Toying with Them: Wolf and his cronies like to play with their food. As Angua points out, not even Vimes would have stood a chance if they'd just rushed him at once instead of giving him a "lead" and harassing him one at a time. Luckily for Vimes, they didn't know he had reinforcements coming.
  • Karmic Death: Vimes kills Wolfgang with the distress flare from the clacks tower that his pack killed the operators of - the one the men never had a chance to use. Also counts as a Death by Irony. He's an Übermensch undone by his own base instincts, namely that a dog can't resist fetching a stick... even when it's dynamite.
  • Kill It with Fire: Fire and silver are the typical ways to dispatch werewolves. Vimes takes this to heart and launches a flare at Wolf, expecting him to catch it in his mouth.
  • Kingpin in His Gym: Wolfgang likes to give his muscles an airing.
  • Never Heard That One Before: When Vimes comments on Wolfgang having that name while being a werewolf.
  • Not So Different: After Wolfgang's disappearance, Vimes explains to Sybil why he keeps his guard up by describing Wolfgang as "bottle covey" - someone who does not quit no matter how soundly he has been trounced. Sybil remarks that it sounds like someone she knows well.
  • Post-Climax Confrontation: His last confrontation with Vimes happens after the plot has been solved.
  • Putting on the Reich: Wolfgang and Co.
  • Shapeshifter Mode Lock: Apparently a common birth defect in werewolves. Angua had a human-shaped sister and a wolf-shaped brother; Wolfgang killed the former and chased off the latter.
  • Shapeshifter Swan Song: Downplayed — when Wolfgang comes back the last time, he seems to be having trouble controlling his transformations, and is wobbling around the halfway point between man and wolf.
  • Tempting Fate: A subtle example appears in Wolfgang's chosen symbol of a wolf's head biting a mouthful of lightning bolts. Granted, they're not literal fireworks, but symbolically it rates as this trope.
  • Undignified Death: He’s offed by the fact that his instincts compelled him to play fetch with a signal flare, a fate anybody would find laughable and pathetic.

    Dee 
The other of the two villains in The Fifth Elephant. Dee is the Ideas Taster for the Low King.

    Carcer Dun 
The Big Bad of Night Watch, he's a Serial Killer being pursued by Vimes.

  • Annoying Laugh: Haha.
  • Ax-Crazy: He'd kill you for your watch rather than ask you the time.
  • Combat Pragmatist: Much like Vimes, he won't bother with a straight-up fight.
  • Crazy-Prepared: Carries at least three knives.
  • Cop Killer: In the present day, he kills at least three police officers, one of whom was off duty and didn't even realise him. In the past, he murders a few more.
  • Determinator: Vimes bregrudingly admits that Carcer's a determined bastard, as shown in their final fight where he continues to make an effort to fight back despite his leg being buggered.
  • Dragon-in-Chief: Technically, he's always in a position of subservience to someone else; first to Findthee Swing as a sergeant in the Particulars, then briefly to Lord Snapcase as Captain of the Palace Guard. It's fairly clear that he follows their orders for exactly as long as it's in his own interest and while Swing and Snapcase are bad enough, the main plot is about Vimes having to drag Carcer back through time.
  • Evil Counterpart: It's heavily implied that if Vimes was to ever allow himself to become The Unfettered, then he might wind up like Carcer.
  • Faux Affably Evil: The polite and chummy facade is surprisingly convincing, right until he stabs you.
  • For the Evulz: His main motivation.
  • Good Angel, Bad Angel: According to Vimes, he has two bad angels and they're egging each other on.
  • Kick the Dog: Just before the Post-Climax Confrontation, he eats the hard-boiled egg left at Keel's grave.
  • Knife Nut: Carcer is never unarmed.
  • Obliviously Evil: Occasionally gives off this impression, but it's probably an act given his random displays of cruelty.
  • Psycho for Hire: If you manage to get a leash on him, although it probably won't stick and you'll definitely regret it.
  • Psychopathic Manchild: As mentioned by Vimes:
    He'd stand there amid the carnage, blood on his hands and stolen jewellery in his pocket, and with an expression of injured innocence declare, 'Me? What did I do?' And it was believable right up until you looked hard into those cheeky, smiling eyes, and saw, deep down, the demons looking back.
  • Serial Killer: He likes killing, that's for sure. He graduates from this trope into (indirect) mass-murder by trying to stoke the conflict in Ankh-Morpork.
  • Shadow Archetype: Provides a
  • The Sociopath: Carcer doesn't seem to choke on guilt or regret for his numerous murders.
  • Straw Nihilist: Carcer is said not to be insane but rather too sane, in that he can do whatever the hell he wants because he knows that laws and things are just arbitrary lines the normal folk draw in the sand to pretend they're safe. Needless to say, Vimes does not take this well.
  • The Unfettered: As a contrast to Vimes being The Fettered.

    Captain Findthee Swing 
The Captain of the Cable Street Particulars or the "Unmentionables", Swing comes into conflict with Vimes-as-Keel throughout Night Watch.

  • A Nazi by Any Other Name: Though not going quite as far as to discuss racial purity, Swing's invention of craniometrics is sadly very much Truth in Television and was employed by the Nazis in their eugenics programmes. The Unmentionables also dress themselves very much like the Gestapo of Nazi Germany and enforce the Fascists Bedtime.
  • Authority Equals Asskicking: Surprisingly played straight in that he puts up much more of a fight
  • Bad Boss: When the Cable Street Watch House is burning down and a torturer is struggling to free himself after Vimes has restrained him and forgotten to loose his bonds before setting the place ablaze, Swing stabs his own underling. It's implied he was trying to cover up any hint that he'd tortured and killed.
  • Bald of Evil: Balding rather than fully bald, but nevertheless fits the trope nicely in all other senses.
  • Cold-Blooded Torture: He never does the torture himself, but will willingly have it carried out on anyone who fails a craniometrics exam; as the narrative puts it, "And from such figures he could, infallibly, tell that you were devious, untrustworthy, and congenitally criminal. After you spent the next twenty minutes in the company of his staff and their less sophisticated tools, he would, amazingly, be proven right". The results are so disgusting that young!Vimes is vomiting and Vimes-as-Keel opts to Mercy Kill a few of the victims immediately.
  • The Dragon: Seems to fill this role with Lord Winder.
  • The Dreaded: Even the Ankh-Morpork army know better than to question Swing or his thugs. Carcer is still able to exploit this even after Swing's death.
  • Faux Affably Evil: Despite his polite demeanour, he's by far one of the nastiest characters Vimes encounters. Lampshaded when Vimes describes him as "polite as hell" but nevertheless gets a weird vibe from him, even before he sees the torture cells.
  • Greater-Scope Villain: Technically this to Carcer - while Carcer's the primary antagonist of the book, Swing is one of the biggest reasons, if not the biggest, why past!Ankh-Morpork is such a shit place to live. Nevertheless, he mostly stays resigned to the background at least to begin with.
  • Horrible Judge of Character: Suffice it to say that Swing is very much not the expert in detecting criminals he thinks he is. For one, he has multiple innocent people tortured because he thinks they're criminals, then hires the Obviously Evil Carcer Dun into the Unmentionables because he "absolutely couldn't be a criminal if he tried".
  • Karmic Death: Vimes-as-Keel kills Swing with his own measuring ruler.
  • Knight Templar: Swing has a hideous case of Black and White Insanity; anyone who fits his horrendously wrong definition of a criminal is tortured, and anyone he views as on his side is viewed as good, even if the person in question is an Obviously Evil Serial Killer.
  • Lean and Mean: Noted to be quite lean, and most of the other tropes should describe the "mean" part of him pretty thoroughly.
  • Not So Above It All: Despite being a horrifying villain with absolutely no redeeming traits, he does get one amusing moment post-demise, when he tries to use craniometrics on Death and fails miserably as it's, well, Death.
  • Secret Police: The head of them.
  • Slashed Throat: How he dies.
  • Sword Cane: Proves to be surprisingly efficient with one to Vimes's surprise.
  • Torture Cellar: The Cable Street Watchhouse has one of these.
  • Two Plus Torture Equals Five: Captain Findthee Swing uses craniometrics to determine whether someone was a criminal or not. And funnily enough, after a short stay in the care of his much more direct underlings, he would inevitably be proven right.
  • Verbal Tic: Swing's unusuallypaced... speech pattern is something Vimes picks up on in their first encounter.
  • Vile Villain, Saccharine Show: The Discworld series isn't all laughs, but Swing is by far one of the reasons that Night Watch is among its darkest stories, and he is never played for laughs, at least before his death.
  • Villain Takes an Interest: After his first meeting with Vimes-as-Keel, he attempts to recruit the man into the Unmentionables. Vimes, disgusted by such a notion, deliberately lets Ronald Rust know and pretends to actually be tempted so that Rust will block such a move.

    Grag Ardent 
An extremist Dwarven grag, or wise-man, who is the Big Bad of Thud! and Raising Steam.

  • And Your Little Dog, Too!: Sends men to Vimes' house to kill his wife and son as an extremely ill-thought out attempt to dissuade Vimes from pursuing him.
  • Bad Boss: To poor, poor Helmclever. And to the miners who found the Cube under Empirical Crescent, who Ardent had murdered by dark guards so they couldn't speak about what they found.
  • "Common Knowledge": He's skilled at the in-universe form via "everybody knows" and "stands to reason". He uses it to poison others' opinions and spread his philosophy.
  • Dragon-in-Chief: In Thud!, he technically serves Grag Hamcrusher and the other more venerable grags who accompanied him to Ankh-Morpork to find the Cube of Koom Valley, but it's pretty clear he exerts a lot of power over them instead and is the one truly leading the expedition after Hamcrusher's death.
  • Fantastic Racism: Against Trolls, big time. He believes hatred of trolls is central to the dwarven identity.
  • Non-Action Big Bad: Is an interpreter of dwarf law, not really a warrior. Grag Bashfullsson is able to defeat him relatively easily using a type of martial art at the end of Thud! even though Ardent has grabbed an axe from a dark guard and Bashfullsson is unarmed. His coup in Raising Steam is undone pretty much just by Rhys managing to make it back to Uberwald on Iron Girder, at which point what little support he has left dissolves and he's taken into custody.
  • Oh, Crap!: In Thud!, when Carrot discovers evidence that supports Ardent's claim that a troll got loose in the mine and killed Hamcrusher. This is because Ardent had made it up in order to try and cover up the fact that one of the other grags had murdered Hamcrusher and so really wasn't expecting there to be evidence suggesting a troll was in the mine that he had not already planted.
  • Renegade Splinter Faction: By Raising Steam even most of the Dwarf fundamentalists think his faction is just insane. Unfortunately they have the loyalty of the Delver troops and just enough popular support to seize power in the absence of the King.
  • Smug Snake: For all his plotting and smug sense of superiority, he is quickly reduced to ranting and raving when his plans begin to come undone. Even when he manages to oust Rhys Rhysson while the Low King is away in Ankh-Morpork in Raising Steam, the strain of trying to hold his powerbase together while Rhys is speeding along on Iron Girder back to Uberwald to reclaim his throne sends Ardent into near hysterics.

Ankh-Morpork villains (William de Worde, Moist von Lipwig)

    The New Firm 
A pair of crooks consisting of Mr. Pin and Mr. Tulip. They were hired to discredit Vetinari in The Truth in a plot to overthrow him.

  • Bad Dreams: Tulip has them.
  • Bad Habits: Mr. Pin dresses as an Omnian priest as a disguise, while Mr. Tulip dons a "Vestigial" Virgin's habit.
  • Beat Bag: Tulip never manages to buy any real drugs.
    In a street where furtive people were selling Clang, Slap, Chop, Rhino, Skunk, Triplin, Floats, Honk, Double Honk, Gongers, and Slack, Mr. Tulip had an unerring way of finding the man who was retailing curry powder at what worked out as six hundred dollars a pound.
  • Bond Villain Stupidity: Genre Savvy Mr. Tulip notices something is wrong when Mr. Pin fails to kill Mr. Slant (with fire, from which even a zombie would be hard-pressed to come back) and mutters something about "I think I shall let you live today."
  • Brains and Brawn: Pin is the brains, Tulip is the brawn (outside of his encyclopaedic knowledge of art).
  • Clap Your Hands If You Believe: Mr. Tulip believes, but he doesn't believe in anything in particular, which causes something of a problem after he dies.
  • Cluster Bleep-Bomb: Played with. Somehow Mr. Tulip actually pronounces the dash.
  • Death Equals Redemption: It helps if Death gives you a little post-mortem therapy to help with the redemption. However, as Mr. Pin finds out too late, redemption is only possible if you're sincere about your regret for your crimes...
  • Fake High: Mr. Tulip never seems to get his hands on real drugs, but that doesn't stop him from claiming it keeps his mind sharp.
  • Freudian Excuse: Something very bad happened to Mr. Tulip as a child.
  • Hidden Depths: Due in part to his terrible childhood, where the only thing of any value in his village was the decorations in the church, Mr. Tulip has an excellent knowledge of art history and value. He can also gauge a gem's worth by sight.
  • Horrifying the Horror: A mutual version occurs when the New Firm visits Biers, the city's bar for the undead, in hopes of intimidating a werewolf into helping them track down Vetinari's terrier, Wuffles. Mr. Tulip's behavior has one of the residents asking if he's human, especially after he smashes a glass bottle against his head simply because he no longer needed it and putting it on a table was too much trouble. On the other side, when Mr. Pin asks the half-man, half-wolf to shift forms, the werewolf just gets bigger and hairier. The New Firm leave without their werewolf and feeling shook up — whilst the undead in Biers can be heard locking the door behind them, because they do not want Mr. Tulip coming back.
  • Killed Off for Real: Both of them die. Pin killed Tulip to save his own ass and is himself later killed by the protagonists in self-defence.
  • London Gangster: They fit the archetype, describe themselves as "the New Firm" and Ankh-Morpork is part London in its conception.
  • Mister X and Mister Y: Tulip and Pin, as befits Those Two Bad Guys (as noted below).
  • Narrative Profanity Filter: Played with. At first it seems as though Mr Tulip's use of "——ing" is a 19th-century-style censoring of the F-word, but it turns out that what he's saying is actually just a glottal stop and then "Ing!" When Sacharissa decides to try out swearing, she clearly can't reproduce the glottal stop correctly.
  • Nuns Are Spooky: Mr Tulip briefly disguises himself as a Nun, and he's pretty spooky... but Sacharissa claims that the nuns who taught at her school were far worse.
  • Poor Communication Kills: The New Firm is much less effective than they should be because their employers neglected to mention a lot of things. They are not —ing happy about this.
  • Reincarnation: Pin and Tulip both get this after death. Mr Tulip note  comes back as a woodworm in William's antique desk, happily enjoying fine works as he did in his previous life. Mr Pinnote  is reincarnated as a potato in his former likeness that was destined to fry. To further add to the Disc's twist on this, both also happen to be reincarnated to a point in time before their deaths.
  • Sanity Slippage: Pin starts losing it after Otto took a picture using forces he probably shouldn't be messing with.
  • Shout-Out:
    • Mr. Pin has "'Not a Nice Person at All' done in pokerwork on his purse,", Mr. Tulip at one point elaborates on "get medieval on his arse" at some length (see under Noodle Implements), and Mr. Pin and Mr. Tulip discuss foreign food at one point, including "what they call sausage-in-a-bun in Quirm." When discussing whether or not people will take a dog's word as evidence, Mr. Slant points out "A dog has personality. Personality counts for a lot."
    • They call themselves the "New Firm," which has to be a reference to Neverwhere's "the Old Firm" (where there's a New, there must be an Old), though the characters themselves and the general idea behind them are based on a common archetype, not direct Expys.
  • Sir Swearsalot: Subverted with Mr Tulip, who doesn't —ing swear. He just says "—ing" a —ing lot.
  • Small Name, Big Ego: Mr. Tulip and Mr. Pin, big time. They believe they are absolutely the latest, greatest thing in crime and that Ankh-Morpork's underworld is full of lily-livered amateurs. They never catch on that Ankh-Morpork is to evil and corruption what guns are to bullets and the only reason the city's criminals no longer try to upset the status quo is that is they're up against two of the most fearsome forces on the Disc: Vetinari's intelligence and Sam Vimes's dedication to the law.
  • Those Two Bad Guys: Mr Pin and Mr Tulip fit the trope quite well.
  • Verbal Tic: Mr. Tulip's got a ——ing bad one. It's implied for most of the book that the word is censored, but it turns out he's actually pronouncing it that way.
  • Villainous Breakdown: Mr. Pin. Big time. All because of Otto taking a picture that involved forces he probably shouldn't be messing with. The effect it had on Mr. Pin was scary, to say the least.
  • Villainous BSoD: Mr. Tulip, after Death shows him his life "as it flashed before other people's eyes".

    Lord de Worde 
The mastermind of the plot to overthrow Vetinari in The Truth.

  • Authority Equals Asskicking: Interestingly, even though it's specifically said that he never gets his hands dirty with violence — he has men for that — he seems to be pretty good with a sword in the final confrontation. Of course, facing a vampire, that doesn't help him very much... William does mention several times that the one thing the de Wordes are expected to excel at is charging into battle.
  • "Begone" Bribe: William pays his father a generous estimate of what it cost to raise him in order to sever any remaining ties between them. The money isn't the thing, as Lord de Worde has gold in his DNA, but instead is based on the Dwarfish tradition in which betrothed dwarves buy one another from their parents to symbolise their independence.
  • Berserk Button: He is one to William.
  • Calling the Old Man Out: Eventually done by William to his father.
  • Even Evil Has Loved Ones: Lord DeWorde is horrified to learn that the New Firm tried to kill William. It doesn't stop him from trying to ship William to another continent to stop his interference, but it's the thought that counts.
  • Foreshadowing: In one meeting of the Committee To Unelect The Patrician, the lead shadowy figure says the novel's Arc Words ("A lie can run around the world before the truth has got its boots on"). This is a major hint to the reveal that Lord de Worde is the Big Bad.
  • Like Father, Like Son: William doesn't appreciate the comparison. They're both arrogant, single-minded, stubborn jerks. Where they are different, however, is that William tries not to be.
  • Not So Different: William and his father, as noted by more than one character.
    William: Of all the bone-headed, stubborn, self-centered, arrogant—
    Otto: But you make up for it in other vays.
    William: I meant my father.
  • Your Approval Fills Me with Shame: After he figures out the plot against the Patrician, William gives his father some of the jewels taken from Mr. Pin, essentially repaying the cost of raising him and buying himself out of the family, but Lord de Worde tells him to keep it because William is "most ''certainly'' a de Worde".

    Reacher Gilt 
Big Bad of Going Postal. Gilt is the new head of the Grand Trunk, the company that runs the Clacks.

  • Eyepatch of Power: Wears one as part of the whole "pirate" getup.
  • Faux Affably Evil: His polite act is almost always an act, and it's noted by several characters that despite his calling people "friend", they're horribly unnerved.
  • Humans Are the Real Monsters: Gilt's Igor comes to this conclusion, being particularly unnerved by him even after working with werewolves and vampires. As Igor comes to think of it, "at least in Uberwald the monsters had the decency to look like them".
  • I Die Free: Opts to walk into the pit of spikes rather than become a Boxed Crook.
  • Killed Off for Real: Like Moist, he is caught by Vetinari, and offered a choice of working or walking. He chooses to walk. Right in to the impossibly deep pit filled with spikes.
    Vetinari: You have to admire a man who believes in choices. Alas, he did not believe in angels.
  • Meaningless Meaningful Words: Like any conman, he's good at stringing people along with utter bullshit. At one point, Moist sees some particularly meaningless guff of his printed out in the newspaper, and thinks of the skill at how decent words could be stripped of all meaning by Gilt ("though "synergistically" had probably been a whore from the start.")
  • Pirate: Dresses up as one as part of his act.
  • Pragmatic Villainy:
    • When a subordinate comes to him and inadvertently allows a spy to follow him to Gilt's house, Gilt... has his Igor escort the subordinate home and ensure he gets into bed safely. Then he has his banshee assassin kill him some time later, so as to minimise suspicion and leave there with no proof. Vetinari still believes he's responsible, but doesn't actually have anything he can act on.
    • Notably averted by his live-action counterpart, who is very much Stupid Evil.
  • Refuge in Audacity: The man dresses like a pirate and openly admits he's not trustworthy, causing everyone to trust him and think of Gilt as a Lovable Rogue.
  • Villain Respect: A very brief one, but he and Vetinari both play Thud and share a glance when Horsefry, one of Gilt's stupider associates, dismisses it on the grounds that "the dwarfs always win" (when one Thud expert in the next book remarks that among the best players, the feeling is that the balance is actually marginally in favour of the trolls), one that the narrative sums up as, "I may hate you and your personal philosophy to a depth not previously believed possible, but I will at least give you the credit of not being Crispin Horsefry."

    Mr Gryle 
The Dragon to Reacher Gilt in ''Going Postal, Gryle is a wild banshee and Gilt's head assassin.

  • Ambiguously Human: Initially, it's not exactly clear what he is, with even Gilt's Igor not being sure and getting the creeps around him.
  • The Dragon: To Reacher Gilt, as his chief assassin.

Villains from other books (one-shots)

    Dios 
Big Bad of Pyramids. Dios is a High Priest among High Priests in Djeylibeybi.

  • Creature of Habit: He can't fathom doing things differently, to the point where he stands in the exact same spot every day, next to the throne. The floor has been worn down so that an imprint of his feet is visible.
  • Death Glare: Gives such a potent one when looking for Ptraci that Teppic is surprised the walls didn't melt.
  • Dramatic Sit-Down: Is so shocked when Teppic refuses to follow the rituals he sits down on a chair that happened to have a model ship on it. And again when the entire pantheon appears in Djeylibeybi.
  • Evil Chancellor: More an evil priest but the trope is referenced in describing Dios, though unlike other examples of this trope on the Disc, he isn't malicious.
  • Stable Time Loop: Turns out to be stuck in one. When the energy in the pyramids is unleashed, Dios is sent back to the past when Djeylibeybi is founded with no memory and does all the same things that led to the present.
  • Time Abyss: As a result of the Stable Time Loop, it's impossible to know how old he truly is, and even he's forgotten.
  • Well-Intentioned Extremist: Why is Dios manipulating generations of kings? Is it greed? Megalomania? For the Evulz? No, it's for the kingdom; he sincerely believes following tradition for eternity is the right thing to do.

     Vorbis 
Villain of Small Gods, Vorbis is head of the Exquisitioners of the Omnian Church.

  • And I Must Scream: Vorbis's final fate - an eternity in the absolute silence of his own mind, all alone with himself - is Subverted when Brutha mercifully takes him to the afterlife.
  • Bad Boss: On realizing there's a secret tunnel from the Ephebian library, Vorbis tells a captain to take some men to examine the tunnel, which will almost certainly be filled with deadly traps.
  • Bald of Evil: He deliberately shaves his head.
  • Black Eyes of Evil: He has this. It's said that it has something to do with his coming from a tribe living deep in the desert, a Shout-Out to Dune
  • Church Militant: Vorbis is this. Ultimately he cares more about his personal power and the power of the church than the god it was supposed to be dedicated to. Part of what makes him frightening is how completely unaware he is of this; he believes he's following the commands of his god all the way to end, until he passes to the desert and finally learns that he's only been hearing himself. And now that's all the company he'll ever have...
  • The Corrupter: Vorbis is noted at least twice to have a tendency to make those around him more like himself.
  • Death Equals Redemption: In a manner of speaking..
  • Didn't See That Coming: Someone acting contrary to his expectations seems to be the easiest way to get an actual emotional reaction from Vorbis - first when Diadactylos doesn't remain defiant in the face of certain, eventual death and decides to recant his work, and later when Brutha nearly slaps him in front of everyone but doesn't.
  • The Dreaded: Outright called such, and with good reason, what with being the head of the Exquisition. Even his own underlings find themselves disturbed by Vorbis, and at one point the occupying force in Ephebe loses the fight against an uprising in part because of the simple fact that Vorbis isn't there to terrify them into fighting harder.
  • Evil Has a Bad Sense of Humor: On the rare occasions Vorbis cracks a joke, they're completely lacking in actual humour, but everyone laughs like their lives depend on it. Which they do.
  • For the Evulz: That he would turn a supposedly helpless tortoise on its back just to see what would happen horrifies Om, and not just because he's the tortoise in question. Om reasons that if a man will turn a tortoise on its back, he'd do the same to the universe if given half a chance.
  • Heel Realization: Vorbis finally gets this after death, realising that he'd never actually been following the commandments of a god—that the only voice he'd ever heard came from his own head.
  • Humans Are Bastards: Why he approves of Punch Clock Villains working in the torture cellars, because he feels it proves everything he thinks about other people utterly right.
  • Hypocrite: Among the many objects declared anathema by Omnian doctrine includes mirrors, but Vorbis has no problem using a pair as part of his plan.
  • Kick the Dog: Commits several.
    • Turning Om (whom he believes to be only a tortoise) on his back and props him with pebbles to ensure that he cannot right itself, just to see what would happen.
    • Later forces the captain of the ship he's sailing on to harpoon a porpoise, because sailors generally believe that killing a porpoise is bad luck; a foolish superstition that must be overcome in the fundamental truth of Omnian doctrine. The sailors are right; Om is forced to make a bargain with the local sea goddess to spare him and Brutha. Later the ship does indeed sink as a direct result of Om's bargain (though a bit of bad luck and timing was involved), though after Om, Brutha, Vorbis and Simony have all disembarked.
  • Nothing Personal: A brief glimpse into the mind of one of the Exquisition has this as his reason he finds Vorbis so disturbing - most of the Exquisition are either Punch Clock Villains or people who want to hurt other people for a living. Vorbis has people horrifically tortured to death on the grounds that they've sinned, but doesn't even grant them the dignity of hating them for it. note 
  • Obfuscating Disability: Vorbis pulls a chilling example of this on Brutha as they are about to leave the desert.
  • Pet the Dog: A man comes to Vorbis bringing word of the proto-tank being built, hoping that it would earn the release of his incarcerated father. Vorbis outright states that he knows that he would be in league with the rebels if not for his father... and nonetheless orders that the father be released. It appears for a moment that he is Baiting the Dog by asking an inquisitor if they know where the man lives, but never follows up on it. Then again, Vorbis may simply not have gotten around to it. He was rather busy from that point until he died.
  • The Plan: Vorbis's plans, among other things, include invading Ephebe by sending the Omnian fleet to attack Ephebe directly - and getting burned by a giant Ephebian magnifying glass - partly as a justification to his main plan to cross the desert, helped by several expeditions that left caches of food and water along the way. Pratchett referred to it as "planning your counter-attack before your attack." If the first attack works, excellent. If not, it sets up the second. Vorbis may be the most frightening villain Pratchett has ever created, because he is essentially what Vetinari would be if he were actually evil and sadistic.
  • Schmuck Bait: Very fond of using it. People are noted to be afraid of asking him what he's thinking about in case the answer is "you".
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