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This is a list of members of The Moore-Carson family, allnote  residing in Tesuque, Nuevo Mexico and appearing in "Escape From L.A." of BoJack Horseman, with any previous or further appearances involving only two other family members so far in season 3.

For other Tesuque residents, see here.

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    General 
  • Bragging Theme Tune: As it details below in Leitmotif, "Kyle and The Kids" is basically a description of the life of Charlotte's Family and how they're perfectly happy with no one to ruin their happiness. Ouch.
  • Dysfunctional Family: Not overtly or completely so, but there were problems with the family before our hero arrived. He just had to make them worse.
  • Gender Equals Breed: Played With. Penny, the daughter, is the same species as her mother yet has her father's hair color in the fur. Trip is a human like his dad and clearly has the same hair.
  • Human Mom, Non-Human Dad: Inverted. Penny and Trip's parents are respectively a female doe and a human, with each one of their offspring being of one of their species (Penny being a doe with same color as dear ol' daddy and Trip a human with the same hair color).
  • Inferred Holocaust: After BoJack leaves, the disasters he caused around people, especially the Carsons, are left unsolved.
  • Leitmotif: "Kyle And The Kids", an upbeat 80's style sitcom song containing Lyrical Dissonance and Mood Dissonance considering how bleak is the episode in which it plays.
  • Missed Him by That Much: One of the pictures from the Photo Montage in "Escape From L.A." shows the Carson family vacationing at Todd's Disneyland. Since that park burned down at the end of "Yesterdayland", they were attending at the same time BoJack and Wanda were.
  • Photo Montage: At the beginning of the episode, in order to explain who's who in the family.
  • Two First Names: "Carson" can also be used as a first name.
  • Walking Spoiler: Since they basically spoil what Charlotte has been doing since last seen by BoJack, so yeah.

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Parents

     Charlotte Moore-Carson 

     Kyle Carson 
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Played by: Ed Helms.

Charlotte's human husband and Trip and Penny's father.


  • Big Beautiful Man: He's a bit overweight, but otherwise, has a relatively good physique.
  • Brutal Honesty: Downplayed. Kyle's not confident about his son entering the school team but is not willing to say so to him. He is willing to tell this to Charlotte.
  • Bumbling Dad: Zigzagged. He is certainly goofy and laid-back, but knows when to put his foot down and isn't stupid or gullible at all.
  • Chubby Mama, Skinny Papa: Inverted with his wife, Charlotte. She's slim and fit, while Kyle's a Big Beautiful Man.
  • Good Parents: He and Charlotte are actually quite lenient and attentive with their kids, yet still know when to put limits and put them on line.
  • Happily Married: Kyle is in a stable, loving, and and secure marriage with Charlotte. "The Showstopper", however, had Kyle admit there marriage hit a rough patch, but according to him they worked it out.
  • Interspecies Romance: He (a human) is married to Charlotte (a doe).
  • Irony: Kyle didn't trust BoJack when he first arrived, believing the latter in having an ulterior motive for visiting. After he's stayed for over 2 months, at which point any good intentions he had with the family have long since vanished.
  • Locked Out of the Loop: Just like Trip, Kyle is busy sleeping while the Drama Bomb is going off in BoJack's boat. Of course, one can only imagine what will happen when he wakes up and Charlotte tells him what happened...
  • Mellow Fellow: Kyle's down to earth, personable and non-confrontational.
  • Motivational Lie: Encourages Trip to continue his attempts at the tryouts for the high school team, only to then confide to Charlotte that he's never going to make it.
  • Negated Moment of Awesome: When hearing about Penny's prom problem, Kyle tires to cheer her up by dressing and going as her date as a father-daughter bonding activity. However, BoJack offers and Penny accepts and a dejected Kyle simply accepts it.
  • Nice Guy: If the rest of the tropes listed in here aren't proof, nothing is.
  • Shoo Out the Clowns: Charlotte mentions that Kyle's sleeping in the last third of "Escape From L.A.". Not that it's gonna be easier when he wakes up.
  • Stiff Upper Lip: Often maintains a calm demeanor even when feeling mad or hurt. His reaction to Penny going with BoJack instead of making it a father-daughter dance seals it:
  • The Stoic: Not unfeeling by any case, but Kyle keeps his composure and he only has subtle mood changes.
  • Unknown Rival: Kyle has no idea that BoJack has an unresolved attraction towards his wife or that he sees him as a hindrance. Ironically, he only starts trusting him after he has stayed 2 months with the family. When he first arrived, he was highly suspicious.

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Children

    Penny Carson 
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Played by: Ilana Glazer

A brown doe and Charlotte's daughter after settling down in New Mexico and getting married.


  • Adults Are Useless: Penny's perception of her parents, although it's presented in a more realistic way than usually presented. Charlotte is clearly trying to connect with her daughter Penny in such turbulent times like adolescence, but The Generation Gap makes them see the world differently: Charlotte thinks that Penny needs to listen and understand that she has lived through the same thing, while Penny thinks the best course of action is try to establish her independence and from her own path away from other influences. It only gets worse when BoJack arrives, since their rift is intensified by both being ignorant about him in their own ways: the mother thinks he's a returning friend and the daughter that he's a kindred soul. The former's beliefs leads her to trust the horse far more than her own judgement, allowing him to get closer to Penny.
  • Appeal to Popularity: See "Common Knowledge".
  • Because You Were Nice to Me: She bonds with BoJack because he's the first one to have treated her like an adult.
  • Birds of a Feather: With BoJack, since he still has the mind of a teenager.
  • Big Ego, Hidden Depths: She acts all confident and haughty, but she has a surprising amount of vulnerability typical of a teenager.
  • Boyish Short Hair: She has thin hair surrounding the top of her head with no manes in sight, so it applies.
  • Bratty Teenage Daughter: A realistical portrayal, with a dumbass teenage brother to boot.
  • Break the Cutie: Two instances of her life in this trope:
    • A lighter example: When Diego rejects her and goes to the prom with Lyla K., Penny goes on a brief slump.
    • A darker/more extreme example: When she spots BoJack at her college in Ohio, a year after the boat incident. Her increasingly frightened attitude and backing away makes it clear she has absolutely no interest in reliving that moment, let alone see him. The fact he somehow knew where she was (thanks to Sarah Lynn), and the trench coat he wore made the encounter even more terrifying.
  • Broken Pedestal: BoJack. Dear lord, BOJACK. Penny becomes good friends with him during his time in Tesuque and even takes her to the prom after Diego, her crush, turns her down. However, the tragedies surrounding the evening become more and more troubling for her (drunk driving, possible alcohol poisoning, irresponsibility galore), until she almost sleeps with BoJack believing he's the only adult who understands her, something he avoids until he's too depressed to even care. By the time they re-encounter, Penny is now scared of BoJack and is traumatized by the possibility that he's been following her..note 
  • Cannot Spit It Out: Towards her crush, Diego Mendoza. She prefers to stalk him rather than speak face-to-face.
  • Character Development: In the season 3 episode "That's Too Much, Man!", Penny is revealed to have entered an university in Ohio and has finally gained enough common sense and maturity to deal with her personal life out of home. Further reinforced by her reaction to seeing BoJack again: first surprised, then repulsed and scared because of what they almost did together.
  • Cool-Kid-and-Loser Friendship: Played With. She's most definitely this with Allison Flierl, the school's resident nerd. However, Allison, judging by comments, is more of a Cool Loser and Penny, while higher in the social hierarchy, is not that popular. After two months and being with the cool kids, Penny eventually denies being friends with her at all, putting the state of their current relationship in question.
  • Commonality Connection: Bojack and Penny don't start on the right foot, but after they come clean to each other about certain things, they become as thick as thieves.
  • "Common Knowledge": In-universe. Like any teenager, Penny follows the crowd and tries to keep up appearances for the sake of popularity and self-esteem. Hell, the reason why she has pressured her dad to give her driving lessons is because she's the only senior who hasn't got a driving license. A unique approach, since the episode shows that this attitude is nothing more than a façade of her rampant confusion of what she doesn't know and that establishing herself as a moral center is bad when you're vulnerable, unable to grasp the whole truth and a Horrible Judge of Character.
  • Daddy's Girl: Implied to have been this somewhere in the past. Not so much nowadays.
    Penny: If there's anything I can do to help around here, Mom. Dad was supposed to take me driving after school today, but now he's gotta take Trip to his dumb-ass basketball game.
    • When she's lacking a date to the prom, BoJack offers - only for Penny's father to walk in dressed in a tuxedo and a bouquet of flowers behind his back, obviously willing to accompany his daughter to the dance as moral support.
      Kyle: Oh, yeah, well, that's definitely the better idea.
  • A Day in the Limelight: "Escape From L.A." focuses on her life and her budding relationship with BoJack.
  • Deadpan Snarker: She has her moments.
    Trip: (arguing about why he needs to go to the game) It's the quarter-finals.
  • Deconstructed Character Archetype: Of the Doppelgänger Replacement Love Interest. Penny is young, resembles Charlotte, bond with BoJack over similar mindsets and immaturity and seems to be a chance for him to start anew. She's also the teenage daughter of his Old Flame who listens to every word BoJack says and knows no better than to follow the crowd. Yikes.
  • Decoy Protagonist: In "Escape From L.A.". Once the story kicks in, Charlotte recedes into the background while her daughter, Penny and her own issues take center stage. Yet, for how much focus the little doe receives in the episode, Charlotte still remains at the center of the story is the major catalyst of two major events in it.
  • Designated Driver: Leads to her being the Only Sane Woman in regards to Bojack getting bourbon to replace the Red Bull and Vodka mix that Maddy had in a flask.
  • Do You Want to Copulate?: She offers herself to BoJack in a rather clumsy way.
  • Dogged Nice Girl: When she finally musters the courage to ask her crush, Diego Mendoza, out, he rejects her and goes to the prom with another girl. Happens again with BoJack... at first.
  • Drives Like Crazy: Penny's alibi to get out of the house is to get BoJack to teach her how to drive. Downplayed given she's not that bad, except when bothered or embarrassed.
  • Earn Your Happy Ending: Turns out her experiences in "Escape From L.A." haven't affected her that much and has matured into a young adult now going to college. Too bad BoJack wanted to make amends.
  • Erotic Eating: Discussed when in an attempt to convince BoJack to have sex, Penny mentions her ability to put a condom in a banana.
    Bojack: With your mouth? What kind of health class was that?
  • Establishing Character Moment: Once the entire Carson family is presented in "Escape From L.A.", Penny's first line involves asking who BoJack is with some distrust and then following with wondering why he's here in the first place. He's mom's old friend. What, he came all the way down here just to see her? Is he expecting something, hoping she was still single after more than 20 years and start dating? And then, after he takes her driving and both come clean about their respective secrets (she was driving near her crush's house [spying on him] and he is running away from the person he was back in L.A. [he wants to restart anew with Charlotte and even have a new life away from Hollywoo]), she changes her tune to "Maybe he's not so bad after all".
  • Expospeak Gag: When Bojack asks for context on her "relationship" with Diego, Penny starts explaining it....by talking about how her friends counseled on what to do to ask him out, while failing to provide any context for the people she's mentioning.
    Penny: So, anyway. My best friend, Alison F. was talking to Rachel Kaplan....
    Penny: Rachel heard from Ray-Ray and the Bean that Diego said if prom happened right now he'd want to go with Ali Sandler.....
  • Fangirl: Of Llama Del Rey and FKA Pigs.
  • Foolish Sibling, Responsible Sibling: Played With. While she starts as a sort of Responsible Sibling to Trip's Foolish Sibling, the events of the episode "Escape From L.A." focus on her and some of her less wise decisions, while less focus on Trip makes him come off as the (relatively) sane one.
  • Friendship Denial: After the Time Skip, Penny denies been friends with Alison Flierl when talking with Maddy. Whether they're still in a good standing and she's just saving face or she's really no longer friends with her isn't revealed.
  • Friendship Favoritism: While Penny is smart enough to know better than choose sides, she's passive and insecure enough to embrace the relationships that will make her life better and have a perception of life she'd like. This has backfired on her in several occasions:
    • For starters, her relationship with BoJack, contrasting that of her parents, comes first even at the cost of practical advice and knowledge from Charlotte and Kyle. Being of similar minds, Penny believes BoJack to be more understanding, less judgmental and because of her naïvety and arrogance, to be the only adult with some sense of how serious everything in her life is. As such, even if her common sense tells her otherwise, she just follows his lead and considers him a good influence for her. It couldn't be farther from the truth, but It Seemed Like a Good Idea at the Time. Of course, once innocents get hurt and hormones get in the way, things get a lot more murky. Now, Penny has learned to do better the hard way.
    • Pre-Time Skip, she was often implied to be good friends with Alison Flierl, the school resident Cool Loser, much to the chagrin of the popular clique like Maddy Ginsburg. Seeing the chances of raising in status fly by, Penny distanced herself from Alison, preferring to hang with Maddy, even neglecting any time spent together with Alison. Post-Time Skip, Penny denies ever being friends with Alison to Maddy as they head to the prom. As they never speak directly neither before or during the prom, it's dubious if they remained in touch, but it's clear they're not as close as they used to be.
  • Gender Equals Breed: She is a deer just like her mother.
  • The Generation Gap: Deconstructed in her relationship with Charlotte, her mother. Charlotte, being older and wiser, knows exactly what's going through her daughter's life and mind, but because of her rather peaceful approach and Penny's impulsiveness and chaotic feelings, she's unable to reach out to her no matter what she does. And Penny's not going to start listening anyway, so any advice is branded as typical "parents don't understand" clueless advice, disregarding any merit the advice has. Being similar, yet in different stages of life also shows in rather terrifying parallels: Charlotte keeps BoJack at bay during most of the time he's visiting and argues against his impulsive decision of them eloping together despite still (possibly) attracted to him; Penny, due to her inexperience and similar taste, becomes smitten with BoJack and due to them having the same mindsets with none of the foresight, they propel each other's bad decisions without stopping to think about the consequences. Needless to say, neither of these choices turn out to be wise, colliding in a life changing incident.
  • Generation Xerox: Looks like a younger version of Charlotte with a different fur color. BoJack ends up noticing the parallels.
  • Go to Your Room!: A darker example than the rest. Penny gets yelled by Charlotte to go to her room not because she misbehaved, but because she just caught her daughter and BoJack in some rather intimate circumstances and is about to let BoJack have it.
  • Human Mom Nonhuman Dad: Her mother is like her, a doe, and her father a human.
  • Have I Mentioned I Am Sexually Active Today?: For all her bravado, she acts kinda clumsy and inexperienced when trying to convince Bojack to have sex.
  • Held Gaze: She and BoJack share one, right before things go horribly wrong.
  • Horrible Judge of Character: She mistrusts and drifts apart from her parents, while becoming close friends with BoJack. It gets to the point that while hesitating to leave her possibly intoxicated/ alcohol poisoned friend, Penny changes her mind when BoJack justifies it, seeing him as a trustworthy person. Justified, since she's a teenager and in conflict with her emotions and opinions, as well as easily swayed. It doesn't help that BoJack is not the classic type of monster.
  • The Ingenue: She fits it to a T. She's cheerful, somewhat innocent, idealistic and quite more trusting than an average person ought to be. This only makes it easier for her and BoJack to get close, bond and almost have sex.
  • I Can't Believe a Guy Like You Would Notice Me: Penny is surprised and delighted when an adult like BoJack actually pays heed to her problems and afflictions and tries in his own way to help, finding it a nice change of pace from her parents' constant dismissals. Eventually, this leads her to confuse these feelings with love and try to seduce BoJack.
  • Intergenerational Friendship: She develops one with Bojack. It goes bad places.
  • Interrupted Intimacy: With Bojack. Sadly, combined with Parents Walk In at the Worst Time.
  • Irony: Penny wants to distance herself from her family in order to stand out and become an independent person. Her way of doing so is getting involved with a man who coerces her into making some very irresponsible mistakes.
  • Jail Bait: For BoJack. Although when he tries to argue this as a reason to not sleep with her, Penny tells her that her age, 17, is of legal consent in New Mexico.
  • Likes Older Men: She ends falling for BoJack, in a Puppy Love way. Yep, it's as squicky as it sounds.
  • Living Lie Detector: Penny quickly finds out that BoJack's not in Tesuque for a boat show.
  • Loving a Shadow:
    • Since this is Penny we're talking about, it's clear from her reasons to chase after and stalk Diego Mendoza, that there's no true connection between them other than the whims of an emotionally unbalanced teenager. She has no idea of his character and he's not aware she exists.
    • She ends up falling for BoJack because he treats like an adult, but mistakes that for romance, especially since she knows very little about him.
  • Made of Temptation: Penny represents a chance for BoJack to have his cake and eat it after finding out Charlotte is married: she looks just like her mother, Charlotte; she's single and, more than that, trusts and considers him a true friend. It doesn't take a lot for Bojack to reject her (at first), but it's clear it's more out of scruples than not having interest.
  • Maintain the Lie: After BoJack confesses to her that he just wants to stay a bit to figure things out, Penny tells him that lying about the boat show will backfire when the family realizes it doesn't exist. She redirects him to a shop and helps him buy one to keep them from suspecting.
  • "Not If They Enjoyed It" Rationalization: She believes that if she and BoJack want to have sex, all that's necessary is to give him consent to do so. Never mind that Penny is BoJack's good friend Charlotte's daughter, that she is only 17 years old, that she is trying to romanticize a relationship that has just started, that a girl like her is asking a stranger like him to have sex with her and so on...
  • Not Quite the Right Thing: One of her main flaws. For as much as Penny tries to be morally upstanding or as morally upstanding as a teenager can be, her sense of right and wrong is determined by what she can do to help her friends for better or worse, regardless of the morality of their actions. She just can't turn down helping her so-called friends out of fear of being ostracized and her compass is guided more by "what can hurt us?'' rather than "is this the real good thing to do?". Even when Maddy starts drinking way too much and everyone except her is okay with it, Penny doesn't say anything about it other than a few passive remarks because BoJack actually approves and she clearly trusts his judgement, even if she starts feeling uncomfortable about it. Even when she collapses, Penny is convinced to go through BoJack's plan of leaving her at the entrance of the hospital...as long as there's someone looking out for her like Pete. She seems to have grown out of this by the time of her appearance in season 3.
  • Old Man Marrying a Child: A variant. She and BoJack almost sleep together.
  • Only Sane Woman: Zigzagged. On one hand, she calls bullshit on the story BoJack made up to stay in Tesuque, as well as some of the less rational decisions and actions made during prom night. On the other, she's just as likely to cause some screw-ups herself such as crashing BoJack's car in a panic, and BoJack has to resort to calling her out as well. Also, being a teenager makes her easily swayed to anyone's opinion.
  • Operation: Jealousy: She and BoJack plan for him to go as her prom date as a way for her to stick it to Diego for not going with her, as well as not losing out on having a great time.
  • Precocious Crush: As the months pass, she develops feelings for BoJack. To be fair, they stem out of the fact that he treats her with respect, as an adult, unlike her parents. This eventually turns a lot less precocious when she tries to get BoJack to sleep with her.
  • Rebellious Spirit: She always tries to rebel or go against her parents' advice or wishes, often acting standoffish and plain demanding when things don't go the way she wants them to go. It's mostly to affirm her own identity, though.
  • Replacement Goldfish: For BoJack , as Penny is nearly the splitting image of Charlotte, The One That Got Away and for which BoJack still feels something. Cemented when after having his hopes crushed by Charlotte, he subtly allows Penny to have her way with him.
  • Secret Keeper: Briefly becomes this for BoJack, since out of all the Carson family members, she's the only one BoJack confesses his real motives behind his arrival at New Mexico. Once she helps him keep up the façade out of sympathy, she ascends to even The Confidant. And, then their mutual immature minds start confusing everything and it all blows to hell.
  • Sibling Rivalry: With her brother, Trip, mostly for their parents' attention.
  • Sibling Yin-Yang: With Trip. Which one is which is debatable.
  • Single Girl Seeks Most Popular Guy: This is her main purpose towards her classmate, Diego, with shades of Loving a Shadow since it's clear that the connections she often tries to find between them are nothing but simple imagination and the image she has of him is quite exaggerated.
  • Smitten Teenage Girl: Her crush on Diego makes little sense, being based on nothing except a few amiable conversations they've had and skipping altogether how Diego truly feels about her. Penny clearly idealizes the idea of them being together to the point it exceeds anything resembling reality. Her crush on BoJack also has shades of this. Despite arguing that she really wants this, that she's old enough to make her own decisions and she sees things clear enough for a relationship to work, the reason why she likes BoJack is because he treats her with the respect she feels her parents don't give her.
  • Squaring the Love Triangle: Penny's relationship with BoJack evolves into this as his stay prolongs itself, even if only Penny notices at first and from a wrong perspective nonetheless. The great resemblance she has to her mother Charlotte, his increasingly desperate desire to redeem what he sees as his biggest mistake and Penny's naivete when it comes to relationships and the nature of people come to a boiling point when Charlotte rejects BoJack and Penny offers some comfort in the form of sex. The fact that this almost happens between him and Penny is enough to kill any sense of lasting friendship with Charlotte and, after a Time Skip, any camaraderie with Penny, once she has had time to reflect on what really happened.
  • Strong Family Resemblance: She is physically identical to Charlotte. While dancing with BoJack, he lampshades their strong resemblance.
  • Tantrum Throwing: When she's rejected by Diego, she throws a hissy fit during a family dinner.
  • The Tease: While trying to convince BoJack, Penny shows a more flirty side of herself.
  • Teens Are Short: To be fair with her, it's only by comparison and this is Bojack we're talking about.
  • Tender Tears: After getting sent to her room, she's heard crying little bit.
  • Textile Work Is Feminine: Her room, besides having some posters of Llama Del Rey, has some hand-woven blankets covering the wall. Then, there's also her typical dress, with specific patterns of the culture of New Mexico.
  • Thinks Like a Romance Novel: Penny is smart, but be it Diego or BoJack, she has a tendency to idealize the kind of relationship she has with both of them from her perspective, never once changing her opinion completely or accepting someone else's take on reality. This eventually leads to disaster.
  • Trademark Favorite Food: Discussed. When Sarah-Lynn reads Penny's twitter account, it states she likes Thai food.
  • TV Teen: She avoids most of the stereotypes in this trope. She's still impulsive.
  • Virgin Tension: BoJack's lust after her is made more complicated by the fact that she's a confused virgin.
  • Virginity Makes You Stupid: Given how much she ignores about actual sex, as well as her idealization of relationships and her clumsy attempts to come on towards BoJack, Penny's knowledge is hindered by how much does she ignore about men, their ideas, desires and lows they will sink when they seek her attention.
  • Walking Spoiler: Penny's existence reveals a lot about BoJack's past relationships and how they have changed.
  • We Used to Be Friends: With Allison Flierl, the school's Cool Loser. Judging by the conversation Penny has with Maddy after the Time Skip, she would prefer if Allison was never mentioned and denies ever having contact with her.
  • Wide-Eyed Idealist: She can be woefully naive about how the world (and relationships) work.
  • You Remind Me of X: BoJack tells her she looks a lot like her mother, and that's just the tip of the iceberg...
  • Your Normal Is Our Taboo: BoJack considers sleeping with Penny bad because she's a minor and a confused teenager. Penny, thinking it's more because of legal reasons, mentions that in New Mexico, 17 is the legal age.
  • Youthful Freckles: She has tiny dots of pigment below her eyes and is just a teenager.

    Trip Carson 
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Played by: Adam Pally.

Charlotte's human son with Kyle and Penny's younger brother.



Alternative Title(s): Bojack Horseman The Carson Family, Bojack Horseman Charlottes Family

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