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Coming off the heels of a very divisive creator and having a very diverse audience, it's no surprise that The Loud House would be a pretty divisive cartoon in spite of its popularity. Amongst the many divisive things are:

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  • One of the most divisive things about the show is the amount of abuse Lincoln often goes through, with one camp finding it to be Actually Pretty Funny while others think that it's just plain mean (to the point of often calling it "torture porn"). Especially as this makes his sisters come off as jerks considering they're often the cause of Lincoln's problems and are rarely called out on it. Even ignoring that, Lincoln as a character is also divisive, mainly from those who think he's an engaging character in his own right, and those who think he's bland and underdeveloped compared to the more colorful cast of characters.
  • Lola. One half of the fandom don't particularly mind her occasionally bratty attitude, while others dislike her for these very reasons, as they have unfavorably compared her to some other cartoon brats such as Angelica Pickles, D.W. Read, Princess Morbucks, or even Darla Dimple. That said, the general fandom did warm up to her in "A Tattler's Tale", in which she regains her siblings' trust by taking the blame for all the bad things they've done. Her having more kind-hearted moments in later episodes and her other focus episodes, especially in Season 2note , also helped her being better received, as they show her Hidden Depths and more of her good side.
  • Luan. Some fans enjoy her bad puns and quirky personality, while others find them to be annoying and excessive. Her actions in the episode "April Fools Rules" did nothing to soften this. However, her second focus episode, "Funny Business", shows her in a far more positive light. Her third focus episode, "Fool's Paradise", went back to square one, however, by portraying her as a genuine villain who takes sick glee in her family's fear and misery at her hands. Then "No Laughing Matter" aired and portrayed her again in a more positive light. How seriously she's taken by the fandom also varies, as some fans, younger ones in particular, can identify with her Innocently Insensitive and childish antics as well as her occasional insecurities (which were best seen in "No Laughing Matter"), while the more mature fans paint her in a much more negative light in that they hold a grudge against her inability to take criticism and humorous ideals, generally viewing her as a massive Attention Whore and Baby of the Bunch who shouldn't be taken seriously.
  • Lori. She's considered either a likable, relatively grounded sister or a generic Big Sister Bully without much personality outside of her obsession with Bobby. Her image among the fandom improved after the episodes "The Waiting Game" and "A Fair to Remember" showed a much kinder side to her personality. Also, many dislike the fact that she's the sister with the most episodes focused on her or at least having a major role.note  Her increased exposure gave her much needed character development and has allowed her to recover, mostly, from her earlier appearances, but at an arguable cost to other sisters who could benefit for more focus.
  • Lisa. While some like her for her witty bluntness and sarcastic sense of humor, others hate her for being an inconsiderate buzzkill and Insufferable Genius. Also, her habit of using her siblings as experimental test subjects is either seen as cruel or hilarious.
  • Lynn. While she has gained some fans for being an energetic sports-loving tomboy, she also gained several detractors for coming off as mean-spirited bully for roughing up Lincoln. Indeed, among all of his sisters, she's one of the most prone to use physical violence and threats to force him to do what she wants. Her lack of kindhearted moments towards anyone besides Lucy doesn't really do her any favors. Furthermore, in "No Such Luck", she is the one who starts the belief that Lincoln's bad luck that led him to getting locked out of the house.note  Also, she's often considered the least developed (character-wise) of the older sisters; episodes focusing on them would showcase more of their personality or make them the main character whereas episodes focusing on Lynn would make her a supporting character or an obstacle/rival. examples  Many feel that the writers don't know how to use her properly in a sea of relatively more colorful characters, especially with Lana being another tomboy with more comedic possibilities. However, the episode "Middle Men" has made her more sympathetic to many as the episode has Lynn reveal why she acts like a bully, something that the above-mentioned episodes didn't do. Though some viewers believe that Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse, and doesn't justify her behavior in the present.

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  • Clyde is seen either as a funny, good-natured sidekick and friend, or as an annoying and oversensitive kid who is too obsessed with Lori. Adding to his divisive status is his general rudeness to Nice Guy Bobby, as well as whether he's overexposed in comparison to the sisters. The general consensus is that he's fine when his crush on Lori is downplayed and his other traits are focused on instead. Said gag was eventually dropped.
  • Despite her legion of fans, Ronnie Anne has gained this reception owing to her characterization as a Loving Bully, which is very divisive because of the double standard, and her relationship with Lincoln. It doesn't help that she appears far less often than the sisters, Clyde, or even her brother Bobby. Some fans like this since it keeps her from suffering Flanderization, while others don't since it seems to relegate her to being "Lincoln's crush" and "Bobby's sister".
  • Some fans believe that Bobby's a perfectly good character whose relationship with Lori and his kindhearted, if dimwitted, nature endear him to many fans. Other see him as a pretty bland character who's too dumb for his own good, and wonder how he and Lori ever managed to become a couple.
  • Maggie, an emo kid who had her birthday party in "Funny Business", and it mostly concerns two things:
    • Her relationship with Luan in fanon. Is their relationship a perfectly good Opposites Attract interaction, romantic or otherwise, or are they simply incompatible with each other?
    • The other issue, funnily enough, is about her bust size. She's 13, but has the same bust size as some of the older teens, like Lori and Leni, and adults, like Mrs. Johnson. Is this a natural way to show that not all female body types look the same, or does this make Maggie seem more mature than she should, specially considering she's the only teen so far to have the bust size?
  • Sam, Luna's crush from "L is for Love". Despite not having much screentime, most are fairly divided on those that like her for her potential relationship with Luna and her neat design, while others aren't so hot on the character, either because the two haven't even interacted yet, they feel she's part of pointless pandering, or because they're wary of the show's track record with love interests.
  • Most love interests (like Cristina, Ronnie Anne, Paige, Benny, Silas, and so on) featured in the show are either enjoyed by the fans for either their designs or potential for relationships and interactions, or are considered wasted potential, either because they don't appear again, have no personality besides being the love interests of specific characters, or a mix of both.
  • The Yateses, the Louds' new neighbors in "Future Tense". An interesting set of characters that could bring forth possible future plots, or flat Mary Sue diabolous ex machinas that are way too perfect to be believable and frankly just annoying?
  • The genderbent characters in "One of the Boys"— interesting characters who should appear in more episodes, or obnoxious walking stereotypes?

  • "April Fools Rules" is a rather divisive episode among fans. There are those who liked it and thought it was funny, while there are those who felt Luan was being too much of a jerkass towards her family with all the endless (and rather lethal) pranks and who didn't like the fact that she got away scot-free at the end of the episode.
  • Though not as bad as the other episodes here, "Raw Deal" is a bit divisive over whether or not Lincoln's paranoia was funny or unpleasant to watch.
  • "One of the Boys". Is it one of the best episodes of the series or is it just a chapter full of very offensive masculine—and feminine— stereotypes and clichésSuch as ? And for that matter, should the gender-flipped universe from that episode appear again in the series? Another issue is how most of the sisters' gender-flipped counterparts are voiced by their regular voice actors doing boy voices. Some thought that it was distracting and would've preferred for all of them to be voiced by different people just like the ones for the four eldest, while others didn't mind since that's what they were expecting to happen when the episode was first announced knowing that most of the voice actors for the sisters, especially Grey DeLisle and Lara Jill Miller, have proven to be capable of Cross-Dressing Voices in the past (and still continue to do so in other instances on this very show).
  • For the most part, "Study Muffin" has been well-received, with many finding it to be a very funny episode. However, there are some fans who felt that the obsession the sisters had with Hugh was a tad out-of-character for them (or at least for the more relatively grounded sisters like Lisa and Luna) and even a bit weird considering that Hugh is a young adult.
  • "No Such Luck" has so far managed to surpass "April Fools Rules" and "Brawl in the Family" as the show's most controversial episode:
    • Even before it aired, some fans didn't like it for seemingly being yet another episode where Lincoln's family holds the Jerkass Ball against him. This is only made worse by the fact that Mr. and Mrs. Loud also help to make Lincoln miserable and that it feels Out of Character at least for Mrs. Loud who's generally the Only Sane Man. Others consider it to be a much better version of "Brawl in the Family", since this time Lincoln brought much of the anguish upon himself.note  He does apologize to his family for lying to them about being a jinx, however, and even then they still treat him like an outcast. Lynn's part in introducing and reinforcing this belief towards him, in part as something to blame for her team blowing a winning streak, did not endear her to many.
    • In a situation unique to this particular episode, there is the general reaction toward fanon relating to it. Many have grown sick of "No Such Luck" Deconstruction Fics, Fix Fics, and Revenge Fics and feel that either fans are overreacting to the events of the episode, that The Loud House fanon circle is just overloaded with fanon/fics that are predictable and similar in terms of plot, or both. A particular sticking point over this is the sheer contempt some members of the fandom have toward Lincoln's sisters and parents over their treatment of him during the episode. Others either find their reactions to the episode justified or don't really care. Reportedly, some have even left the fandom over this alone, instead of the episode itself. Many believe the episode could had been salvaged if the episode would had ended on a positive note rather than a bittersweet "it's better than nothing" note.
    • Chris Savino responded to the criticism by simply saying that "Lincoln got what he deserved." This statement made it more heated. Some agree with the idea, while others think that Lincoln's punishment is Disproportionate Retribution and that the boy ends up becoming Unintentionally Sympathetic.
  • "Vantastic Voyage." Fans are split as to whether Mr. Loud's obsession with his new van was funny or uncharacteristically mean, especially after "Lock 'N' Loud," where he claims his family is the thing he values most.
  • While "The Loudest Mission: Relative Chaos" is generally agreed to be pretty good, the ending is a bit divisive, since Bobby and Ronnie Anne, two characters who've been in the show since the beginning, end up moving with their relatives, the Casagrandes. Depending on your opinion, this is either a poignant and natural way of changing the status quo, or a lazy way for the show to write-off a pair of characters that didn't manage to develop that much on their own.
  • "Fool's Paradise", the Sequel Episode to the infamous "April Fools Rules". Some fans hate the episode for being a sequel to one of the show's most despised episodes as well turning Luan into a full-fledged horror villain by having her trap the Louds in a motel full of dangerous pranks.note  Others actually like the episode for its inventiveness and addressing the complaints of "April Fools Rules" as Lincoln mostly gets away prank-free instead of bearing the brunt of Luan's prank like last time and Luan actually gets hit by karma. Among the episode's detractors, it's either considered as bad as its predecessor if not even worse. The biggest contention for many fans is the ending in which Luan experiences a Humiliation Conga yet doesn't show any regret while plotting to have even more meaner pranks come next April Fools' Day.
  • "Change of Heart." While fans were pleased to see Leni get a central role after being Out of Focus for most of Season 2, those who were tired of Clyde's obsession with Lori were left disappointed that the episode didn't go a different route.
  • "No Laughing Matter," not so much because of the episode itself, which tries to paint Luan in a positive light, but due to coming after "April Fools Rules", which portrayed Luan in a negative light, and "Fool's Paradise", which did the same thing but to a lesser extent. Is the episode perfectly fine, and it's attempt to make Luan seem likable works, or is it a mediocre/average episode whose attempt to positively portray Luan is a rehash of "Funny Business"? Also, in general, some fans view it as a cute heartwarming episode and were glad to see the writers open up a door to Luan's insecurities and depression, while others just see it as a bland episode that showcases Luan as an immature person who Can't Take Criticism and has no other to her personality than comedy.
  • "Job Insecurity" was hyped up to be a game changer episode for the series, but all that really happened was Lynn. Sr getting a new job as a cook. Was the hype worth it, since this is a change that wasn't seen coming, or does the "game changer" aspect fall flat, and make the episode seem overhyped?
  • "Future Tense" deals with the parents making their children be more "well-rounded", which translates into basically changing their entire selves. Does this show that the parents are just people who make mistakes, or does the episode make the parents seem like neglectful jerks who'd be willing to turn their children into something they're not, just to feel good with themselves and their parenting skills, lesson learned in the end or not?
  • In "Not a Loud", Lincoln is revealed to be a biological Loud delivered by the First Lady, debunking a popular fan theory that he is actually adopted. Some fans are glad that Lincoln is indeed a Loud, while others love the theory of him being adopted and view this revelation as a disappointment. There are also those who were keen to him being a biological Loud, but thought the revelation was stupid.
  • "Be Stella My Heart" seemed to have gathered so much hype for months due to Stella becoming an Ascended Extra since "White Hare" where she only played a small role in the end of the episode, leading many to believe there’s going to be a ship between her and Lincoln made canon. It only escalated to a major disappointment (to at least the shippers) when it officially premiered where Lincoln and his friends spend about half of the episode fighting over who would Stella choose as her boyfriend, and later put her to blame for destroying the boys' friendships. In the end, it turns out that Stella really just wanted to be friends with Lincoln and his friends. All in all, the episode's outcome was divisive for those that thought the episode was pretty fun to watch and had a decent moral of "just because a girl wants to hang out doesn't mean she's interested in you" versus those who thought it was downright cringeworthy.
  • In general, any episode where Lincoln ends up being the Designated Monkey (a.k.a. "Lincoln Torture Porn") gets this, with the arguments of whether he deserved the punishment in question and if the sisters are justified in their treatment flying back and forth across the line.
    • "Spell it Out" is similar, only it's Lucy who's the designated monkey. Her siblings ignore her for half the episode and don't even notice when she raises her hand for pie or is standing right where Leni's painting. Some people think this is both too mean and too uncharacteristically oblivious, while others don't mind it because it started the conflict (every episode needs one) and they apologised afterwards.
  • While not as infamous as "Brawl in the Family", "Two Boys and a Baby" has a bit of this, particularly the ending: Is the fact that despite going out of his way not to stay with Ruth, Lincoln ended up staying with Ruth anyway funny or disappointing?
  • A minor case for "One Flu Over the Loud House": Is the zombie aspect funny or not? Are people holding the Idiot Ball too much? (not wearing germ masks, Leni of all people is the Only Sane Woman, etc) Should the whole family have gotten infected?
  • The Casagrande arc that began Season 4 was met with this. While fans enjoy how this will establish more history and development for Ronnie Anne, Bobby and the rest of the family, while also introducing new diverse characters like Sid Chang, that will practically build up hype for the spin-off series, other fans are frustrated that they are taking away 9 episodes worth of focus from Lincoln and the Loud family that started it all and felt like they could've saved that arc for their actual show.
  • "Making the Case": Was it a good episode because Lincoln learnt his lesson or was he just too much of a jerk when he uploaded the video of his sisters' embarrassing situations? On the flip side, was it heartwarming when he lost the contest but was given a trophy from his sisters or would it have been more satisfying if he'd won the contest?.
  • As mentioned in the characters folder, the episode "Middle Men" shows Lynn's Dark and Troubled Past on her first year of middle school which might explains why she is so rough on her brother and her overall personality. The episode offers her some sympathetic light by some viewers. Lynn's detractors, however, felt like her past doesn't justify her words and actions in the present.

  • Between "Loudcest" shippers (mainly on imageboards) and the fans who find it disgusting (mainly on Tumblr). Caught in the middle are the camp who either don't care or only care based on how it's used.note 
  • The Lincoln/Ronnie Anne relationship certainly broke the base when Lincoln said it was "complicated" and that they weren't anything beyond friends. To some, this is Ship Sinking a potentially good relationship, since there are times when the two get along and it's been a long time since she's bullied him. Others will tell you this is a good thing, since the pair haven't interacted that much together and even if she doesn't bully him that much anymore, it still started with her bullying him, when he already had enough problems in his life to deal with.
    • Even before it sunk, fans certainly didn't ignore the double standard it brought. Fanfiction is notorious for calling this out. Also, considering genderbent Loud House fanfiction mostly has Male!Ronnie Anne own up to his mistakes, whereas Lincoln is treated as the one in the wrong most of time in canon, this means that the whole 'Lincoln is the guy, so anything that goes wrong in the relationship is his fault' is completely intentional by the writers.
  • Lori and Bobby's relationship. Some fans see their ship as a pretty stable, dynamic couple and the two work well just fine. Others find it baffling that a girl like Lori and someone like Bobby could ever manage to become a couple, let alone stand each other, and are wondering whether it's a matter of time before they break up.
  • The Lori/Clyde relationship is divisive, particularly whether or not it should be depicted like in the show, or not. Some say it should be unlike the show, seeing as it would be nice to give someone like Clyde a bone for once, and Lori could do better than Bobby. Others believe it should stay like in the show, and either not develop beyond acquaintances or at least develop into the two becoming better friends (mostly on Lori's end). Finally, some find that the Running Gag of his nose bleeds became annoying after a while and are glad that it has been toned down in Season 2. Some could also argue that Clyde doesn't emerge greater from the whole situation. Since Bobby is a textbook Nice Guy, Clyde's jealousy and dislike of him can come across as very petty and mean-spirited.note  By Season 3, the ship sunk and Clyde no longer has a crush on Lori and find a girl in Season 4, presumably due to the Savino fiasco.
  • Let's just be blunt, certain types of relationships are very controversial:
    • Luna/Sam. A perfectly good lesbian couple that brings a lot of potential for interactions and stories, or pointless pandering that didn't need to exist? And likewise, is the resulting rainstorm of "Luna gets heartbroken because Sam rejects her one way or another" jokes funny in a dark way, or just outright cruel?
    • Luan/Maggie. A decent Opposites Attract pairing, or a mind-boggling, logic-defying Crack Ship, seeing how Maggie doesn't even interact with Luan in her introductory episode outside of liking her mime act?
    • The Loud sisters/their respective crushes in "L is for Love". Are the relationships cute, just fine, meh, or outright bad for whatever reason?
    • Lucy/Rocky. Is it a cute ship, or was it a pointless ratings bait, since Lucy is off crushing on somebody else in "L is for Love"?
  • Lincoln/Stella. Would they make a cute couple, or would it just break the Aesop of "Be Stella My Heart", which is basically "boy/girl platonic friendships exist, and it's important to remember that"?

  • Chris Savino himself. Some fans are happy he's got his own show based on his work on Kick Buttowski and My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. Others aren't as optimistic because he was a part of the Seasonal Rot for Dexter's Laboratory and The Powerpuff Girls. The latter sentiment died down a bit once the show finally aired, however. Things got heated again when Savino was fired from Nickelodeon after various allegations of sexual harassment and threats of blacklisting women who refused his advances that go back as far as 2004. After Savino's dismissal, many fans are debating whether they should continue supporting the show in light of his allegations.
  • Does the show use Toilet Humor too often? On the one hand, it can happen to make some good jokes, but on the other hand, it can feel particularly pointless and distasteful.
  • Whether the show should break the Status Quo Is God rule in a major way or not. Some say that the show works better as a comedy where what happens in one episode, stays in one episode, which would allow for a lot of humor while also allowing the show to be accessible. Others say that breaking the status quo would help the show become even better by making continuity a thing, and allowing characters to get long term Character Development. Starting in Season 3 though, while the show still adheres to a loose continuity, there are a few quick nods to previous episodes.
  • Lincoln being downplayed in later episodes note  in favor of fleshing out the other characters. One side doesn't mind it since it helps give more depth to the characters, and he still gets enough moments to shine. The other side feels it comes at the expense of Lincoln's character and and makes him somewhat underdeveloped.


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