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My Way or Yahweh: Let's Play Shin Megami Tensei Devil Survivor
I look forward to seeing what you do with the liveblog. How many endings will you be covering?
dragonfire5000
ComicX6
Hunter1
Devil Survivor, eh? This'll be fun. The main thing I'm wondering about is if you'll do the second game as well. That is, if you have it.
ReikoKazama
Of course I'm going to do the second game! The only problem is I was hoping that Break Record was either released by now or had a release date set so I could maintain parity with Overclocked but at this rate it looks like I'll have to do the DS game first and then go on hiatus until Break Record eventually drops.
ComicX6
Hmm. OK then ^.^
ReikoKazama
Here's something worth noting: the game over sequence is the COMP's error readout, stating that "Mind link [from user] to COMP disconnected". Which has some interesting implications.
Mysterion
Hunter1
Mysterion
Maybe, but freaking out over the whole situation is actually Yuzu's thing. Given how the endings can go, the MC's personality is... Well, as set in stone as any other SMT MC's.
Hunter1
Victory jingle not on the soundtrack? Dafuq?
ReikoKazama
I really like how you're including information on the various demons. It will make a very interesting read, I'm sure.
dragonfire5000
Ah, Kaido, Keisuke, Haru, and Gin. The game wastes no time in introducing characters. I'd like to share my thoughts on them once we see more about them.
Mysterion
Hunter1
Cracking will be introduced in the next installment.
ComicX6
I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of dumb slasher movies with a snowman as the villain...though the one you're thinking of is probably the one where a snowman rapes a woman with his carrot nose.
dragonfire5000
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Hoo boy. Shit be gettin' real now!
ReikoKazama
Just like Atlus to hand you the Cathedral of Shadows right after you defeat a boss who's about level 20.
dragonfire5000
Since it had been a while since I'd played the game for a moment I was worried that they wouldn't introduce Skill Cracking until afterward too.
ComicX6
Fusions are available now, woot~ 8D
ReikoKazama
Hunter1
Mysterion
Knowing Naoya? There are multiple possibilities, and not all of them are good... Or bad, for that matter.
Hunter1
dragonfire5000
ComicX6
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ReikoKazama
Hunter1
Mysterion
Hee-ho! ^_^
ReikoKazama
The Compendium was definitely one of the best things they added to Overclocked. Not only is it a lot of fun to read up on the many demons, but customization becomes a hell of a lot easier as well.
dragonfire5000
Mysterion
Jack bros ftw, hee-ho! 8D
ReikoKazama
Mysterion
Hunter1
The SDF makes like one notable appearance in Devil Survivor 2, where they're about as effective as they are in a Godzilla movie (ie: not very). JP's is a bit more, well, complicated as far as general helpfulness goes and I'll leave it at that for now. It's one of the main conflicts of the game.
ComicX6
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Yuzu didn't help, but Kaido being a sore loser here was where I first started to actively dislike him.
Mysterion
Hunter1
Kaido was lucky this wasn't one of the main games; his crying for more power would've been a cue for some demon to forcibly fuse with him or something like that.
dragonfire5000
Mysterion
Of course. It's an SMT game, often it's only a matter of time before an angel makes it's presence known in the story. This is usually followed shortly thereafter by the angel making it's wishes and goals known. This is usually only a good thing if you follow the path of Law.
Hunter1
dragonfire5000
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ReikoKazama
dragonfire5000
Yeah, Thor's kind of useless in this game sadly since he barely has any MP yet learns an MP-intensive spell (Elec Dance) and no Physical skills.
ComicX6
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Mysterion
No matter how you slice it, this is at or past the halfway point for the game. Makes you realize just how short this game really is once you take out the grinding aspects, although I understand that the story scenes really ramp up in frequency and length on the final day.
Hunter1
Mysterion
I find it interesting how Keisuke and Kaido embody many of the usual Law Hero and Chaos Hero attributes and beliefs, yet are not actually the game's Law and Chaos representatives.
ComicX6
...Kaido really does fit the role of the original Chaos Hero, it's just that this game's other representative is on a whole other level.
Mysterion
This is... The end of day 5, right? So far as I can tell, you haven't screwed up and locked yourself out of any endings yet, correct?
Hunter1
Right. I'm actually a little further ahead, at the decision point on Day 6, and I made sure to unlock all of the ending paths for the sake of the blog.
ComicX6
I actually missed out on Atsuro's path in my run. I'm not sure why, but I probably missed the last conversation that finalized it as an option.
Mysterion
You know, I have a theory that this group of demons were Beldr's followers who've been trying to lie low since they lost the war.
Mysterion
Hunter1
Uh, no, staying neutral and making the skirmish at the border a Melee-A-Quad does not lock out Amane's path.
Mysterion
Oh is that so? I coulda sworn it was like that on a previous playthrough - guess I was just mistaken.
ComicX6
Mysterion
Mysterion
Mysterion
Mysterion
Mysterion
Mysterion
Given that I tend to believe that humanity should be ruled by humans, I can safely rule out three of five endings.
I may trust God in this one (rather weird for SMT), but the rest of Heaven? Yeah, not so much. Plus, I think the whole Law vs Chaos thing is stupid. So Ayame's route is out. Naoya's route is basically the same thing as the True Demon Ending from Nocturne, so that's out. Atsuro's route... SMT has demonstrated that any large scale use of demons by humans leads to bad stuff happening, so yet again, that's out.
So, we're left with the two "neutral" options, so which to choose? Well, Yuzu's route is basically saying "screw this, I'm going home". Sounds good, until you realize that you are giving up and running away, and that the only person with the ability to make things better is the MC. In other words, you just screwed over the world because you didn't want to take a stand. Say what you will about the White ending from
SMT 4, at least there you took a stand and fought for it. So yeah, not doing this one.
That leaves, by process of elimation, Gin and Haru's route, which is rather similar to Nocturne's Remake The World ending. And while the world may have been screwed up before the Lockdown, at least it wasn't supernaturally screwed up. This one... I actually can choose.
(Although, my preferred ending is the one where you travel back in time to save Aya and stop the Shomonkai's plans before they even start in the first place. Sadly, the only way that one will happen is via fanfic... Plus, given the truth about Naoya, it might be only a stopgap solution at best...)
Hunter1
I'm thinking of going with Amane's route for the first go-around. In addition to gameplay things like having good fusion rewards and being the one of the paths with an 8th Day to showcase, it's different from most normal Law paths in that it actually addresses the whole asshole angels thing and goes with an alternative.
ComicX6
Mysterion
I'm guessing that he was counting on her influencing the crew with the Shomonkai's anti-God rhetoric, and didn't expect her to actually come down on His side and reject her father's teachings.
ComicX6
Hunter1
Hunter1
Mysterion
Hunter1
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Okuninushi does mention having previously abdicated Japan to mankind, so I guess he's okay with whatever we decide to do ourselves and the consequences thereof...but once someone else (God) tries muscling in on the land and tries to actively take it over all bets are off.
ComicX6
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Nice word choice at the end there. I'm also interpreting this as "the final boss awaits". Well, at least for this route and 8th Day...
Hunter1
Mysterion
Congratulations on beating Amane's eighth day. I agree that this is probably the best Law ending in any Shin Megami Tensei game ever. Good luck on the bonus bosses.
dragonfire5000
Hunter1
Here's something interesting: Yomotsu-Ikusa's actually has a limit on how many reinforcements he can summon. Once he runs out, he will begin to move to try and kill you. Yeah, that thing about his racial skill preventing him from moving turned out to be complete baloney.
dragonfire5000
Mysterion
Hunter1
Mysterion
Mysterion
Interesting...
Hunter1
So, Fushimi talks about how someone needs to take responsibility for the disaster, while simultaneously trying to shield the government from their deserved blame. When you think about it, the theme of taking responsibility doesn't quite work...
Mysterion
Especially with Naoya acting like he has nothing to do with this. It would've been a neat little twist of the aesop the day's trying to present by having him be more gloaty.
ComicX6
dragonfire5000
Hunter1
Yep. Every one of my active demons are either in upper seventies or low eighties, with Metatron and Okuninushi cracking Lv. 90. I'm gonna need all those levels in the future though...
ComicX6
Mysterion
dragonfire5000
ComicX6
Naoya makes a few interesting points during his "negotiations" with Fushimi, like how "angels won't tell you anything there's the slightest chance you could figure out yourself". An anti-villainous protagonist should still have gotten the option to smack him for dodging blame and accusations, though.
Mysterion
...Well, True Demon End, here we come...
Hunter1
Nah, this ending isn't anywhere near as bad as the True Demon one, even if you do go the evil route. At least here time and life still exists!
ComicX6
Mysterion
SaintDeltora
All of them are Lv.99. I'm going to use the Skill Set Bonus feature to tweak their command skills a bit and maybe buff some of their stats with Mitamas, but generally I've got them all where I want them. All the humans too as a side effect, though sadly their levels will reset once I start the next playthrough.
ComicX6
SaintDeltora
ComicX6
Hunter1
No, that one is in Devil Survivor 2.
SaintDeltora
The Demi-fiend is not the only SMT boss with rules. Elizabeth (or Theodore in P3 Portable) and Margaret set some (and then promptly not tell you), and failing to follow them results in them pulling out a Pixie that puts the Demi-fiend's to shame, and preceding to hit you for 9999 damage every turn until you die and stay dead.
Hunter1
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- Gin and Haru
- Japanese armed forces and government (by default)
Advantages: While the Gigilo considers this a cop-out because it means giving up the opportunity to change the world, I disagree - the goal here is to balance your own morality with creating the best outcome possible:- Things were fine before the demons started spilling out onto Earth. It doesn't need changing.
- Gin is one of the most genuinely moral people in the supporting cast.
Disadvantages: (Aside from the "putting the world in danger in the meantime which all endings share)- Japanese armed Forces
- Naoya (Sort of)
Advantages:- Humanity gains control of powerful forces - both Demons and comp-based magic. This is a huge gain.
Disadvantages:- Naoya
- Kaido, who Naoya has already recruited. This is why their routes are the same.
Advantages:- Power...Unlimited Power!!!
- Punish the angels for their hypocrisy!
Disadvantages:- The angels
- The Japanese Government (By default)
Advantages:- Power and respect.
- End the war between Yaweh and Bel once and for all.
Disadvantages:- ...Perhaps none. But do we need any?
Advantages:- Punish the SDF.
- Punish the angels.
- Screw the War of Bel.
Disadvantages:Important Links