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Index for tropes with page quotes that don't actually portray the trope

This work is a proposed Trope, Tropers can vote and offer feedback in the comments section below.
Proposed By:
Zerukin on Nov 5th 2018 at 8:12:27 AM
Last Edited By:
Zerukin on Nov 8th 2018 at 7:13:37 AM
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Needs More Examples


Much like how there are tropes with images that don't actually portray the trope, there are a few with tropes with page quotes that don't actually use the trope in the material they are taken from.

So why is the quote being use on the page? One of the reasons is likely because even though the work doesn't provide an example of the trope, the quote just fits so well with the trope.

This is not for quotes that don't represent the trope. If the quote doesn't fit at all, discussion will be needed.

See This Image Is Not An Example for tropes with images that don't actually portray the trope, and This Index Is Not an Example for Trope Namers


Examples

  • The Death of Death: The quote comes from the first story in Cthulhu Mythos which doesn't actually feature an embodiment of Death dying in any possible way.
  • Night and Day Duo: Miss Saigon's "Sun and Moon" only compares Kim and Chris to the sun and moon because they're Starcrossed Lovers; the show doesn't give them themed appearances/powers/etc.
  • Shouldn't We Be in School Right Now?: Shortly after the beginning of the story, the characters get stuck in a game which can bring about the apocalypse, which is a pretty good reason not to be in school. And even with regard to this first day, the story starts after school would have ended for some of the characters, and for one other it'd be stranger if she did go to school.
  • Stealth Pun: The trope is about a pun that's there but not addressed. Crow's quote from Mystery Science Theater 3000 was simply about a bad joke.
  • Wartime Wedding: The 'awful things' referred to in the song "Let's Only Think About Love", set during the Steven Universe episode "Reunion", are not war. An invasion does around the time of the wedding, but it's coincidence.

Feedback: 14 replies

Nov 5th 2018 at 8:48:45 AM

So this is an index of page quotes that are just Discussed Tropes?

Nov 5th 2018 at 8:54:52 AM

not just discussed tropes, but if necessary, I can categorize the examples here when more get suggested with one category being for Discussed But Not Used.

After all, the one example I have right now isn't really a Discussed trope, but the source of the quote doesn't actually feature the example in any way despite the quote working thus making it fit.

Nov 5th 2018 at 9:28:14 AM

I'm not convinced we need this? It might be harder to maintain than This Image Is Not An Example, since we're a lot less stringent with page quotes. Quote Source isn't as comprehensive yet as Image Source, for example. (And I would argue that discussing the trope is still using the trope)

Anyway, here are a couple, we'll see how this goes:

  • Night And Day Duo: Miss Saigon's "Sun and Moon" only compares Kim and Chris to the sun and moon because they're Starcrossed Lovers; the show doesn't give them themed appearances/powers/etc.
  • Wartime Wedding: The 'awful things' referred to in the song "Let's Only Think About Love", set during the Steven Universe episode "Reunion", are not war. An invasion does around the time of the wedding, but it's coincidence.

Nov 5th 2018 at 2:24:25 PM

Page quotes can be more easily changed than page images you know. (I.e what used to be fit for this list might no longer apply later...)

Nov 5th 2018 at 2:34:30 PM

I mean it was worth a check. If everybody agrees we don't need it, then I can respect that.

Nov 5th 2018 at 3:20:07 PM

  • Shouldnt We Be In School Right Now: Shortly after the beginning of the story, the characters get stuck in a game which can bring about the apocalypse, which is a pretty good reason not to be in school. And even with regard to this first day, the story starts after school would have ended for some of the characters, and for one other it'd be stranger if she did go to school.

Nov 5th 2018 at 5:36:33 PM

If a page quote doesn't demonstrate the trope, the quote should be changed. Having a page like this would validate useless quotes.

Nov 5th 2018 at 6:06:10 PM

This seems like it could be Administravia. As if, "these are tropes where the quote doesn't work. Let's fix this."

In which case, the trope could serve a useful purpose instead of glorifying mistropes. Move to convert to Administravia?

Nov 5th 2018 at 6:20:35 PM

I suppose we could do that. Rewrite the description to specify and such... not right now though. can't even edit at the moment due to some strange bug.

Nov 5th 2018 at 6:24:40 PM

I think moving this to Administrivia is a good idea.

Nov 5th 2018 at 7:32:41 PM

The point isn't that the quote doesn't work, though. I think if a quote works sufficiently well in the context of the page it's on, then the original context shouldn't necessarily hold it back.

Nov 5th 2018 at 7:42:25 PM

^Yep, same rule for images — they don't necessarily have to be an example, but as long as they illustrate it well enough they can stay.

Nov 7th 2018 at 9:39:55 PM

Stealth Pun: The trope is about a pun that's there but not addressed. Crow's quote from Mystery Science Theater 3000 was simply about a bad joke.

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