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When choices in developing an adaptation involve straying from certain aspects due to being too much risk to the performers. Title Crowner

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Proposed By:
Zerukin on Oct 11th 2018 at 11:42:27 AM
Last Edited By:
Arivne on Oct 30th 2018 at 8:05:34 AM
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In most cases, when you are working on an adaptation, it is important to be as faithful to the source material as possible. However, if the adaptation is live action with a limited budget or a stage play, it's often suggested to take the performers into consideration. This of course means having to stray from the source a bit to ensure they can perform without any hazard to their health and/or safety. Especially so if said portion has a high risk of death.

The reasons said source is cut is due to being too expensive to safely pull off, had serious health concerns, or were just too dangerous in general. It's possible that said moment may have been attempted to be added in, but after many attempts to pull it off, it was scrapped after confirming how dangerous it truly is. Stunt actors can be used to defy this.

Depending on how development starts out, may also be a case of What Could Have Been. Compare Coconut Superpowers. Because of nature of this trope, this only applies to Live action and stageplay adaptations unless it occurs in-universe. Serendipity Writes the Plot is the supertrope.


Examples

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    Film 
  • Holes: During development, There was intentions to have Shia LaBeouf put on weight for the beginning of the film and then lose it all for the end to reflect on how Stanley was in the book, but the director opted against it since such an action would be too dangerous for Labeouf's health.
  • Tora! Tora! Tora!: The first people to visually see the incoming Japanese planes are a flight instructor and her student. In reality, the Japanese were coming right at them head on. Since they were using real planes in flight for the movie, the planes came up from behind them.

    Live-Action TV 
  • Game of Thrones:
    • Cersei Lannister's "Walk of Shame" was shot in such a way as to reduce the amount of time that actress Lena Hedley actually had to be fully naked, as the local environment was not exactly conducive to a nude stroll.
    • Sandor Clegane is said to have extensive burns that heavily disfigure his face. However, the prosthesis that actor Rory McCann was expected to wear obscured his vision, and his was a character that was supposed to get into several sword fights, where his vision would be needed, so the burn prosthesis was dialed back.
  • For Lethal Weapon (2016), Damon Wayans' stunts had to be scaled back due to his age and diabetes-related ailments. Shortly after the premiere of the third season, he announced that he was leaving the show altogether for the sake of his health.

    Theater 

Feedback: 34 replies

Oct 11th 2018 at 12:34:39 PM

Spiderman Turn Off The Dark sadly averted this trope, with many on-set accidents caused by dangerous stunts being repeated over the course of its tragic run, rather than re-staged or removed from the production. (Link here: https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/spider-man-turn-off-dark-top-woes/story?id=13837622 ; item 3 is particularly apropos.)

Oct 11th 2018 at 2:15:43 PM

Compare Coconut Superpower.

The title should specify that it's for the actor's safety and that it's an adaptation.

Oct 11th 2018 at 6:50:45 PM

Live Action TV

  • In Game Of Thrones, Cersei Lannister's "Walk of Shame" was shot in such a way as to reduce the amount of time that actress Lena Hedley actually had to be fully naked, as the local environment was not exactly conducive to a nude stroll.

Theatre

  • Horrendously subverted during the notorious Profiles production of Killer Joe, where star Darrell W. Cox managed to wrest control over the production away from the director and choreographers and carried out actual violence against his co-stars.

Oct 12th 2018 at 4:51:25 AM

Iron Man 2: Tony Stark was supposed to have become an alcoholic between movies, but the idea was scrapped by RDJ, a recovering alcoholic and addict, because of how close it struck to home.

There's more info on the film's trivia page, iirc.

Oct 12th 2018 at 5:39:40 AM

^ That sounds more like Serendipity Writes The Plot, the supertrope to this. It's not like RDJ was actually asked to drink onscreen, or was he? Either he refused because of said possibility or just because it doesn't fit him being a recovering alcoholic.

With all that said, though, I thought stunt actors are often employed to avoid this problem? Suprisingly there's no mention of it in the description.

Oct 12th 2018 at 6:17:59 AM

I think this is a needless split from Pragmatic Adaptation.

Oct 12th 2018 at 6:23:30 AM

^ I found the reference; it was in Creator.Robert Downey Jr (curse wiki walks), and apparently it concerns both Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3.

  • Wag The Director: The MCU was supposed to further explore Tony Stark's alcoholism (as seen in Iron Man 2) but he nixed the idea, saying that it would have caused him to revisit a mindset that he'd worked hard to overcome. Tony's story arc was reworked to have him deal with PTSD and a neverending need to be Iron Man at the expense of everything else. Given the fact that thisís exactly what happened on the film Less Than Zero and that role caused Downey to go from habitual user to full addict itís probably for the best that Downey nixed that idea.

I think it fits, since the plot got nixed by RDJ himself out of fear of a relapse.

Oct 12th 2018 at 7:15:10 AM

^ Okay, it's confirmed then.

Oct 12th 2018 at 1:31:39 PM

Literature

  • Also for A Song of Ice and Fire
    • Sandor Clegane is said to have extensive burns that heavily disfigure his face. However, the prosthesis that actor Rory McCann was expected to wear obscured his vision, and his was a character that was supposed to get into several sword fights, where his vision would be needed, so the burn prosthesis was dialed back.

Oct 12th 2018 at 3:32:08 PM

Why is the Holes example listed under literature, when the example itself talks specifically about the movie and the actors within it?

Same with Game Of Thrones. Those series exist as separate work pages from the book series they're based on. Just use those.

Unless it's an In Universe example, there really shouldn't be anything pertaining to literature as a genre.

Oct 12th 2018 at 3:38:48 PM

^ I figured it would be better to list by source material, since if listed by what the adaptation is, all the examples would be live action films, live action tv shows, and Stage theater. Feels like it would be better organized the way i have it.

Oct 12th 2018 at 5:17:50 PM

The Killer Joe example should be under "Theatre", not "Film", as it was a play before it was adapted into a movie.

Oct 12th 2018 at 7:01:15 PM

^^ That's actually not the correct way to add examples though. If an example specifically pertains to an adaptation of the source material, then the work page of the adaptation must be properly credited as the focus of the example.

You don't go to various comic pages to list plot elements of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Oct 12th 2018 at 7:06:08 PM

Alright. I'll fix when i get the chance. Can't right now.

Oct 12th 2018 at 7:13:08 PM

Since this is trivia, it's Not A Trope, which means it can't be Played With. Averted and subverted examples, like the Spider-Man and Killer Joe examples wouldn't be allowed.

Oct 12th 2018 at 9:22:11 PM

There we go. All fixed.

Oct 12th 2018 at 10:56:33 PM

Please mention in the description that stunt actors can be used to defy this.

Oct 12th 2018 at 10:56:55 PM

Please mention in the description that stunt actors can be used to defy this.

That, and Serendipity Writes The Plot is the supertrope.

Oct 15th 2018 at 12:04:33 AM

Live Action TV

  • For Lethal Weapon 2016, Damon Wayans' stunts had to be scaled back due to his age and diabetes-related ailments. Shortly after the premiere of the third season, he announced that he was leaving the show altogether for the sake of his health.

Oct 19th 2018 at 8:38:22 AM

Would anything which uses an Indian elephant where an African elephant would be more accurate counts? They usually use Indian elephants instead of African in films, even where it would be more accurate, because African elephants are much more aggressive.

Oct 19th 2018 at 8:46:20 PM

^ Maybe? You'd need to give specific examples.

Oct 20th 2018 at 1:54:44 AM

I think a better name for this would be OH&S Writes the Plot, Safety Writes the Plot or Too Dangerous to Adapt

Oct 20th 2018 at 7:59:02 AM

I'll take the last one.

Oct 20th 2018 at 1:21:46 PM

The Walk of Shame was done by a stand in wasn't it? Lena Headley has a no-nudity clause in her contract.

Oct 21st 2018 at 11:26:30 AM

Tora Tora Tora: The first people to visually see the incoming Japanese planes is a flight instructor and her student. In reality, the Japanese were coming right at them head on. Since they were using real planes in flight for the movie, the planes came up from behind them.

Oct 21st 2018 at 12:14:06 PM

"Too Dangerous to Adapt" makes it sound like it includes cases where the writers left something out because it criticised powerful people or could cause too much controversy.

Oct 21st 2018 at 2:09:28 PM

Alright. I'm opening a Title Crowner. Add more suggestions if you feel so. I'm sure we will decide on a title better with this.

Oct 21st 2018 at 3:34:06 PM

^^ That would be "Too Controversial to Adapt". It's "Dangerous" because it's physically so.

Oct 28th 2018 at 7:18:15 PM

I'm certain there are more examples than what is currently here. possibly a few theater examples. I'd hate to have to scrap this for lack of examples.

Oct 28th 2018 at 9:39:31 PM

Live Action Film example:

  • The Martian: After so much time living on highly rationed food on Mars, Mark Watney is skeleton-thin by the final part of the novel. Matt Damon actually offered to lose weight for that particular part of the role but the director refused both because of safety reasons of having to lose that much weight so fast and because allowing it at a more sedate pace would also probably delay production significantly, so for the one scene where Watney's thinner body is in full (naked from the back) view, a body double and CG effects were used.

Oct 29th 2018 at 8:34:08 AM

... so you're saying it was adapted? That seems like saying "in the book, he was impaled by an antenna. This would be too dangerous, so props and CG blood were used."

I also have no idea what the Tora Tora Tora example is saying.

Oct 29th 2018 at 1:01:27 PM

If there is a problem with the way I wrote that example, I am sorry. I did it very late at night. Regardless, it was assumed that having Damon look actually malnourished on top of "raggedy" was a dangerous idea, so a take showcasing this used a body double rather than Damon, who proposed losing the necessary weight himself.

As for the Tora Tora Tora example, I think the idea is that doing the scene in a way that was historically accurate as per the records of what happened during the attack on Pearl Harbor was a pretty dangerous aerial stunt, so the production changed it.

Oct 30th 2018 at 6:47:05 AM

My point is that it is adapted, Watney is shown emaciated. It's just done through tricks, makeup, and SFX same as literally every time an actor isn't stabbed, burnt, or shot.

Similarly, the Game of Thrones examples seem pretty weak as well. Again, the Walk of Shame was adapted and it was pretty long. Is the entry saying that it should have been straight up ten minutes of looking directly into her face and boobs? And when I hear "didn't want to do more prosthesis on the actors" for the Hound, I don't think "FOR SAFETY!" so much as "because it's a pain to put on and take off, and it's harder to emote in."

And again, Pragmatic Adaptation exists. The fact it's not even linked in the description is worrisome. Whenever a TLP seems to try to avoid mentioning the thing it's The Same But More Specific of, I get incredibly wary.

Oct 30th 2018 at 8:05:34 AM

I can see that there won't be any form of agreement. I can also see that examples won't be popping up. I'll just close it now and work on my actual tropes. Prolly won't bother with trivia again.

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