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A person reacts to an Identical Stranger (clone, temporal duplicate, zombie, shapeshifter) that "is" or used to be someone they know in the same way they react to the person.

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HeroGal2347 on Mar 16th 2018 at 10:38:58 PM
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HeroGal2347 on Apr 4th 2018 at 8:07:28 AM
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Was Borrowed Emotional Reaction.

When you're meeting an alternate universe version/clone/zombie/etc of someone, you're essentially dealing with a stranger. But because of your experience with your version, you may not feel that way.

For better or for worse, some people trigger very powerful emotional reactions in others. What specifically is being triggered varies — affection, protection, disgust, mistrust. However, it's very possible for the person triggering the response to be someone other than the person who originally provoked it.

Maybe the hero is meeting his Dead Little Sister's alternate-universe counterpart. Maybe he's reluctantly making himself team up with a good-aligned clone of his arch-nemesis. Maybe he's having to shoot one of his True Companions who has succumbed to The Virus and effectively stopped being the person he knew. The point is that he's still having an emotional reaction to the person because of who they "are" — even though they aren't.

In some cases, this may not have any negative effects; the recipient is similar enough to the original target that it's still the correct reaction. However, sometimes (such as if the morality of the counterpart is inverted) things may not work out so well.

Replacement Goldfish is similar, but in those cases the individual getting the benefit of the character's previous relationship are not in any way the original themselves, though they may resemble them in some fashion. Also, this trope may last a shorter amount of time (for instance, if the hero meets the Alternate Universe version of his dead sister but then has to go back to his universe).

Related to Unbalanced by Rival's Kid, Doppelgänger Replacement Love Interest, and Reincarnation Romance. It's also the reason why the Shapeshifter Guilt Trip is sometimes effective.


Examples:

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     Anime 
  • In Dragon Ball Super, Vegeta seems to treat fighting Goku Black as another chance to beat Kakarot, always eagerly snatching the chance to pound his rival's doppelganger.

     Comic Books 
  • In the Darkwing Duck arc Crisis on Infinite Darkwings, Quiverwing Darkwing acts as an affectionate and somewhat mentorly figure to Gosalyn Prime. He used to have his own version of Gosalyn, who was his sidekick, but she died at some point prior to the arc (hence why he goes by her superhero identity).
  • Subverted in The Multiversity: Pax Americana; after Captain Atom impulsively kills his dog in an effort to comprehend how it works, he then creates an exact replica, but can't bring himself to love it because he knows it's not the same dog.

     Literature 
  • In the Stardoc novel Plague of Memory, Cherijo encounters what appears to be the reincarnation of her long-dead first husband Kao Torin, which understandably complicates her mission. It turns out to be a Hsktskt that was put through Magic Plastic Surgery using a DNA sample from Kao's corpse.
  • Shota the witch woman from the Sword of Truth series first meets the protagonist while shapeshifted into his long dead mother. Though he isn't fooled, it's difficult for him to remain angry at her in that form.

     Live Action TV 
  • Arrow:
    • Still grieving over the death of Laurel Lance, Oliver is greatly affected by the appearance of her Evil Doppelgänger Black Siren. Despite his continual denial, it's apparent he sees her as the original Laurel and a second chance to save her.
    • Detective Lance, Laurel's father, has a much stronger emotional reaction. In fact, he has an arc where he kidnaps her to try to convince her that she can be his daughter if they both believe hard enough.
  • Crisis on Earth-X:
    • The Earth-X Version of Prometheus is the doppelganger of Oliver's dead best friend, Tommy, who died while the two were still having a fallout over Oliver being a secret vigilante. Oliver deeply wants to believe in the capacity for someone with his friend's face to change, but Prometheus, who was raised an unrepentant Nazi, uses Oliver's nostalgia and love for his friend to mock and manipulate him before deploying a cyanide capsule that forces Oliver to helplessly watch his best friend die a second time.
    • When the Earth-1 heroes get captured and sent to Earth-X for execution, Earth-X Quentin Lance expresses difficulty killing Oliver, the man with the face of the fuhrer. So he opts to have a bag put over Oliver's head to make the act easier for him.
  • In Doctor Who this is explored in the two-parter "The Rebel Flesh" and "The Almost People". The Doctor comes upon a factory where employers use "flesh avatars" for dangerous work. But trouble starts when the avatars or "gangers" become sentient and start protesting their individuality to their originals. The episodes explores if the gangers should be considered real or not, with the Doctor insisting they are while the factory workers believe they are not. The Doctor experiments this using his ganger, by switching his Identical Twin ID Tag and seeing if Amy (who knows the Doctor better than anyone else) could notice the change. Turns out she couldn't, proving the ganger and the Doctor were one and the same person.
  • The Flash:
    • Earth-3 Jay Garrick is the doppelganger of Barry Allen's father, Henry. Barry Allen is visibly emotionally overcome trying to deal with someone who looks just like his recently murdered father. Jay feels bad for Barry, but reminds him that he is not Henry and wouldn't make a very good Replacement Goldfish.
    • This is how Team Flash reacted when Harry Wells from Earth-2 first made his presence known. Being the Alternate Self version of the man who the Reverse-Flash was impersonating made it very difficult for Team Flash to trust him, despite Harry's constant reminders that he was not Thawne.
    • This also occurs with HR Wells from Earth-19, the third Wells to be a member of Team Flash. Despite the fact that he was incompetent and unintelligent compared to his predecessors, Team Flash still accepts him as a team member. As Cisco explains, the other Wells were geniuses who they depended on, while with HR it was the inverse. So after everything that Harrison Wells had done for them, Cisco wanted "to be there for Harrison Wells".
  • In Legends of Tomorrow, the Earth-X version of Leonard Snart aka Captain Cold is an unrelenting do-gooder hero which is stomach turning for his Earth-1 partner in crime Mick. Mick keeps trying to regale Earth-X Leonard with tales of their criminal adventures and Leonard finally has to forcefully remind Mick that he's not Earth-1 Leonard and he's not interested in being a criminal.
  • The Outer Limits (1995), "Second Soul": A man's wife becomes a donor for an alien race that needs to possess dead humans to live. The alien is not happy about his persistent interest in her.
  • Star Trek:
    • Star Trek: The Original Series: Implied in "Mirror, Mirror". Kirk shows more softness than one would expect toward the Mirror Spock, who (despite being better than Mirror Kirk) is as ruthless as one would expect from the Mirrorverse. This probably has something to do with his close relationship to his own Spock.
    • Star Trek: The Next Generation: In the episode "Parallels" (where Worf encounters many alternate universes) the Primeverse Enterprise briefly receives a transmission from an alternate-universe version of Riker, now in command after Picard died during the events of "The Best of Both Worlds". He expresses his happiness to see Picard, saying that it's been a while.
    • Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: Enforced in "Rejoined" as an allegory to closeted homosexuality. The episode has Jadzia Dax work with Lenara Kahn, another joined Trill. The Dax and Kahn symbionts were married in previous lifetimes, and the two women find that they're still strongly attracted to one another despite "reassociation" being a taboo in Trill culture. They ultimately do not stay together due to societal pressure.
  • Stargate SG-1: After hosting the Tok'ra symbiont Jolinar in "In the Line of Duty", Samantha Carter inherits some of Jolinar's memories, which includes a romantic attraction to the Tok'ra operative Martouf, lover of Jolinar's previous host Rosha. Also inverted: Jolinar's memories complicate Sam's preexisting Unresolved Sexual Tension with the Tollan diplomat Narim, with Sam telling him she's holding off on dating until she's more sure whether she's feeling things herself or because of Jolinar.
  • Supernatural:
    • Sam and Dean find themselves sucked into an Apocalyptic Earth-2. While there, they meet that Earth's version of Bobby. Earth-1 Bobby was their father figure and died suddenly and tragically so it shakes the brothers to see him alive on this Earth. However, because of choices made by their parents, Sam and Dean were never born on Earth-2, so he has no such attachment to them.
    • **Jack's mother dies giving birth to him, so he's always felt something was missing, having been able to communicate telepathically with his mother in utero but never getting to meet her face to face. While working a case, he and the brothers encounter a shapeshifter who works as a bereavement counselor. She is able to use the brothers' memories of Kelly to take her form and give Jack a chance to "speak" to the mother he was never able to meet. Jack is thrilled to finally be able to hug her and thank her for protecting him.

     Video Games 
  • In Sword Art Online: Hollow Fragment, the video game adaptation of the series, Kirito encounters a Hollow Data version of Sachi, his deceased first love who he failed to save. Although suspecting she's not real, Kirito is hellbent on protecting her at all costs so she won't die again. Eventually Sachi does reveal she is indeed not the real Sachi. She also remembers the words the real Sachi never got to say to Kirito, which leaves him distraught and shaken, but also giving him closure.

     Webcomics 
  • In Homestuck, Dave spend much of the Intermission being very anxious/nervous about meeting Dirk, an alternate universe version of his "older brother" who raised him. His nervousness reflects his insecurity and fear towards his enigmatic and abusive "older brother", and Dave harbors similar feelings towards the alternate universe version, even though he is the same age as Dave and has none of the same history. When they ultimately meet, Dave uses Dirk to work out his issues with the older version, specifically his use of irony to pretend that he wasn't in a deeply unhealthy relationship.

     Western Animation 

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Mar 17th 2018 at 10:13:05 PM

Comic Book

  • Subverted in The Multiversity: Pax Americana; after Captain Atom impulsively kills his dog in an effort to comprehend how it works, he then creates an exact replica, but can't bring himself to love it because he knows it's not the same dog.

Film Live Action

  • In Face Off, Archer's meticulous efforts to impersonate Castor Troy nearly fall apart when he meets Castor's son. Desperately missing his own son, Archer throws his arms around Adam and embraces him, weeping profusely.

Mar 17th 2018 at 10:35:50 PM

^ Thanks for the examples, though. I'm not sure the second one qualifies, though. Castor's son is not in any respect Archer's son or even like his son (at least as far as the example shows).

Mar 19th 2018 at 10:09:30 PM

Examples? Thoughts about the name?

Mar 20th 2018 at 12:20:51 AM

I can see where you're going with this, but the name makes me think of a scenario where someone "borrows" their emotional reaction from someone else, like a generally chill character getting really angry while the temperamental one isn't, or something along those lines. I don't know what you could replace it with, though.

Mar 20th 2018 at 6:55:50 AM

It seems to me like there could be a better one too, but I can't think of it.

Mar 20th 2018 at 11:19:20 AM

Either way, here's an example.

  • In Phineas And Ferb The Movie Across The Second Dimension, the Phineas and Ferb from the second dimension get really excited to see the first dimension's Perry, hugging him for a few more seconds even after finding out he's not their Perry, who'd disappeared ages ago.

Mar 21st 2018 at 5:57:02 AM

In Asuras Wrath, Asura meets and befriends a girl who reminds him quite a bit of his kidnapped daughter, though enough differences exist (like not speaking his language) for him to know that this isn't her. Regardless, shit hits the fan big time when said girl dies along with everyone else when Olga's forces bomb the village he and they are in.

Mar 21st 2018 at 9:24:07 AM

  • Shota the witch woman from the Sword Of Truth series first meets the protagonist while shapeshifted into his long dead mother.

Mar 21st 2018 at 10:57:07 AM

^ Thanks for the example, but could you describe his reaction?

Mar 21st 2018 at 12:09:49 PM

^^ He's extremely shocked, and finds it very difficult to remain angry at her (Shota already holds his beloved captive) while she appears that way. And mind you, he's hardly fooled.

Mar 21st 2018 at 3:20:30 PM

Okay. I realize this is a bit confusing as is, and it took me a while to get a handle on it. But the idea here is not just that the protagonist is attaching to someone who somehow resembles an individual he knows — that's Replacement Goldfish. This is for examples wherein the person "is" someone he knows — in the Outer Limits example, the alien is in the body of a human's dead wife, so physically it "is" her. In examples like the Phineas and Ferb one, the alternate person literally is the same individual the hero knows, just from a different universe. It's tough to explain laconically, but I hope I got the point across here.

Mar 22nd 2018 at 8:08:06 PM

Thanks for the additional hat, whoever that was. Does anyone have any more thoughts/suggestions about the name?

Mar 25th 2018 at 5:23:56 PM

  • In Arrow, still grieving over the death of Laurel Lance, Oliver is greatly affected by the appearance of her Evil Doppelganger Black Siren. Despite his continual denial, it's apparent he sees her as the original Laurel and a second chance to save her.

Mar 28th 2018 at 8:15:57 PM

So to sum it up, someone (let's say Bob) has the same emotional response to a person's doppelganger (let's say Alicia) that he had to the original person (let's say Alice)?

Why wouldn't it count for cases of Replacement Goldfish or Identical Stranger, though?

Mar 28th 2018 at 9:18:38 PM

^ Replacement Goldfish, I think, includes instances wherein the person is not an alternate form of the same individual but merely resembles them. Suppose the death of Alice's little brother Bob is her greatest failure. In Replacement Goldfish, maybe she meets Charlie, a young boy about the same age who shares many of Bob's interests, and becomes attached to him as a replacement for Bob. In this trope, maybe she finds a clone of Bob or an alternate universe counterpart and experiences an instant attachment because of her relationship to her Bob. I suppose it might be a more specific form. Also, I think Replacement Goldfish is often a long-term trope; this may very well not be.

I suppose this trope relates to Identical Stranger insofar as the appearance is concerned, but the idea is that the person "is" in some way the individual whose appearance they have and the hero has an emotional reaction because of it. I'm beginning to wonder if I should strike shapeshifters from the lineup.

Mar 28th 2018 at 11:18:32 PM

^ So the emotional reaction actually serves as a clue that someone is a doppelganger?

Mar 29th 2018 at 12:37:33 AM

So this is basically a supertrope to a bunch of subtropes? From shapehifter tricks to clones to just people being reminded of someone important due to some similiarity or another?

I think a name like "Too Similiar" or something to that effect might be more obvious while capturing your deep emotional intent.

Mar 29th 2018 at 10:31:43 AM

Compare Reincarnation Romance.

TV:

  • Star Trek Deep Space Nine: Enforced in "Rejoined" as an allegory to closeted homosexuality. The episode has Jadzia Dax work with Lenara Kahn, another joined Trill. The Dax and Kahn symbionts were married in previous lifetimes, and the two women find that they're still strongly attracted to one another despite "reassociation" being a taboo in Trill culture. They ultimately do not stay together due to societal pressure.
  • Stargate SG 1: After hosting the Tok'ra symbiont Jolinar in "In the Line of Duty", Samantha Carter inherits some of Jolinar's memories, which includes a romantic attraction to the Tok'ra operative Martouf, lover of Jolinar's previous host Rosha. Also inverted: Jolinar's memories complicate Sam's preexisting Unresolved Sexual Tension with the Tollan diplomat Narim, with Sam telling him she's holding off on dating until she's more sure whether she's feeling things herself or because of Jolinar.

Mar 29th 2018 at 9:49:13 AM

Honestly, I think keeping shapeshifters on the list should be fine. This sounds like it could work as a situation where someone reacts to someone they think they know, from alternate universe counterparts to a shapeshifter in disguise. I think the key here is the emotional reaction, either before they find out the truth or regardless of the truth, not the specifics regarding who they're reacting to.

Mar 29th 2018 at 1:13:15 PM

3x ∆ No, it's not a clue. The general idea is that when you're meeting an alternate universe version/clone/zombie/etc of someone, you're essentially dealing with a stranger. But because of your experience with your version, you may not feel that way.

Mar 29th 2018 at 3:29:33 PM

@OP: Fixed the copypasta from my post.

Mar 29th 2018 at 6:22:32 PM

^^ Then that wouldn't exclude cases of Identical Stranger, right?

Dunno where deliberate disguises or Shapeshifters would fall here though.

Mar 30th 2018 at 10:16:16 AM

Literature:

  • In the Stardoc novel Plague of Memory, Cherijo encounters what appears to be the reincarnation of her long-dead first husband Kao Torin, which understandably complicates her mission. It turns out to be a Hsktskt that was put through Magic Plastic Surgery using a DNA sample from Kao's corpse.

Mar 30th 2018 at 7:47:51 PM

  • In Supernatural, Sam and Dean find themselves sucked into an Apocalyptic Earth-2. While there, they meet that Earth's version of Bobby. Earth-1 Bobby was their father figure and died suddenly and tragically so it shakes the brothers to see him alive on this Earth. However, because of choices made by their parents, Sam and Dean were never born on Earth-2, so he has no such attachment to them.

Mar 31st 2018 at 7:06:16 AM

  • Legacy Of The Void pulls this on Artanis and players of Starcraft I, by apparently bringing back Fenix. However, it quickly turns out it's not him but a robotic copy made from his memories prior to meeting the Terrans (thankfully, he and Raynor never meet). It gets to him as well, to the point where he chooses a Meaningful Rename to earn his own fame.
  • Top Ten: After Irma's partner Girl One is killed, her creators send a physically identical replacement called Girl 54. Irma is overjoyed when she thinks her friend is back, but the mistake is quickly corrected.
  • Terminator 3: John Connor is disheartened to learn the Terminator sent to help him does not remember any of the Character Development the first one had, since they're entirely different robots.
  • The Authority: One issue sees the Authority visit a Gender Bender universe where they meet their opposite gender selves. Jack Hawksmoor, on being asked what it's like to see himself heavily pregnant, replies that he doesn't want to know who the father is.

Mar 31st 2018 at 7:18:43 AM

Webcomics

  • In Homestuck, Dave has a lot of apprehension about meeting Dirk, an alternate universe version of his "older brother" who raised him. In their first introduction, Dave approaches him with hostility even though they've never met, then uses him to help him work through his issues with Bro.

Mar 31st 2018 at 8:42:25 AM

I don't like the new title, the old one seemed more clear about the definition.

Mar 31st 2018 at 1:54:16 PM

Anyone else have any thoughts or suggestions about the name?

Mar 31st 2018 at 1:55:48 PM

I'm also thinking that shapeshifters fall under Shapeshifter Guilt Trip (which could be a subtrope) and should be listed there. Anyone have any thoughts on that?

Mar 31st 2018 at 3:47:18 PM

Doppelganger Feels? Doppleganger Feels Fail? Doppelganger Dissociation Failure is just such a mouthful and vergers on sci-fi/ psycho babble that you either know what it means or you don't.

Mar 31st 2018 at 5:06:22 PM

^ I agree it's a mouthful and somewhat confusing. I just couldn't think of anything better.

Mar 31st 2018 at 5:46:40 PM

Video Games

  • In Sword Art Online: Hollow Fragment, the video game adaptation of the series, Kirito encounters a Hollow Data version of Sachi, his deceased first love. Although suspecting she's not real, Kirito is hellbent on protecting her at all costs, as he failed to save the real Sachi. Eventually Sachi does reveal she is indeed not the real Sachi, but is able to remember the words the real Sachi never got to say to Kirito, which leaves him distraught and shaken.

Apr 1st 2018 at 12:49:56 AM

I'm fine with current title.

Apr 1st 2018 at 4:58:52 AM

Apr 1st 2018 at 6:09:00 PM

Naturalironist, could you give some more information about what his relationship with his older brother was like? Maybe it's just because I've never read it, but the idea that his brother raised him seems to suggest a close relationship and then you skip to talking about him working out his issues with his brother on the duplicate.

Apr 2nd 2018 at 2:05:51 AM

If I saw the title Doppelganger Dissociation Failure, I would have no idea that it was this trope.

Not clear, Needs A Better Name.

Apr 2nd 2018 at 8:15:38 AM

It's hard to encapsulate the title in a few words, though. "Someone who reacts to someone else's doppelganger the same way they react to said someone else"...?

Apr 2nd 2018 at 12:12:18 PM

^^^^ Having difficulty writing this example without too may spoilers/tags (this is basically the entirety of a major character's arc), but here it goes:

  • In Homestuck, Dave spend much of the Intermission being very anxious/nervous about meeting Dirk, an alternate universe version of his "older brother" who raised him. His nervousness reflects his insecurity and fear towards his enigmatic and abusive "older brother", and Dave harbors similar feelings towards the alternate universe version, even though he is the same age as Dave and has none of the same history. When they ultimately meet, Dave uses Dirk to work out his issues with the older version, specifically his use of irony to pretend that he wasn't in a deeply unhealthy relationship.

Apr 2nd 2018 at 6:00:20 PM

I'm wondering if I should have just stuck with Borrowed Emotional Reaction. This seems difficult to name.

Apr 2nd 2018 at 6:03:17 PM

The bit about an emotional reaction should be kept in the title, because I think it's the most important aspect of the trope...

Doppleganger Emotion Impulse? Reaction To Wrong Version? Clone Reaction? Reacting To The Clone? Reaction For Other Version? Just spitballin' here.

Apr 3rd 2018 at 6:05:35 AM

In the Arrow example, Oliver is the main character, but Detective Lance, Laurel's father, has a much stronger emotional reaction that would better fit this trope. In fact, he has an arc where he kidnaps her to try to convince her that she can be his daughter if they both believe hard enough.

Apr 3rd 2018 at 6:15:16 AM

  • In The Flash, Earth-3 Jay Garrick is the doppelganger of Barry Allen's father, Henry. Barry Allen is visibly emotionally overcome trying to deal with someone who looks just like his recently murdered father. Jay feels bad for Barry, but reminds him that he is not Henry and wouldn't make a very good Replacement Goldfish.
  • In Arrow, the Earth-X Version of Prometheus is the doppelganger of Oliver's dead best friend, Tommy, who died while the two were still having a fallout over Oliver being a secret vigilante. Oliver deeply wants to believe in the capacity for someone with his friend's face to change, but Prometheus, who was raised an unrepentant Nazi, uses Oliver's nostalgia and love for his friend to mock and manipulate him before deploying a cyanide capsule that forces Oliver to helplessly watch his best friend die a second time.

Apr 3rd 2018 at 6:19:20 AM

  • In Legend Of Tomorrow, the Earth-X version of Leonard Snart aka Captain Cold is an unrelenting do-gooder hero which is stomach turning for his Earth-1 partner in crime Mick. Mick keeps trying to regal Earth-X Leonard with tales of their criminal adventures and Leonard finally has to forcefully remind Mick that he's not Earth-1 Leonard and he's not interested in being a criminal.

Apr 3rd 2018 at 10:23:13 PM

Okay, I'm going with this one

Apr 4th 2018 at 3:54:16 AM

Another Flash example.

  • This is how Team Flash reacted when Harry Wells from Earth-2 first made his presence known. Being the Alternate Self version of the man who the Reverse-Flash was impersonating made it very difficult for Team Flash to trust him, despite Harry's constant reminders that he was not Thawne.
  • This also occurs with HR Wells from Earth-19, the third Wells to be a member of Team Flash. Despite the fact that he was incompetent and unintelligent compared to his predecessors, Team Flash still accepts him as a team member. As Cisco explains, the other Wells were geniuses who they depended on, while with HR it was the inverse. So after everything that Harrison Wells had done for them, Cisco wanted "to be there for Harrison Wells".

Apr 4th 2018 at 4:05:16 AM

Oh and one more from Arrowverse. It might be worth grouping the Arrowverse shows together as many characters keep crossing over between shows.

  • In the crossover Crisis On Earth X, when the Earth-1 heroes get captured and sent to Earth-X for execution, Earth-X Quentin Lance expresses difficulty killing Oliver, the man with the face of the fuhrer. So he opts to have a bag put over Oliver's head to make the act easier for him.

Also, the Prometheus/Tommy Merlyn example is also from the crossover.

Apr 4th 2018 at 4:19:24 AM

(sorry, accidentally double posted)

Apr 4th 2018 at 4:26:39 AM

  • Dragon Ball Super
    • Future Trunks had been endlessly battling the new Big Bad, Goku Black who is the Evil Twin of Goku. Upon barely escaping Black and returning to the present, the first thing that Trunks sees when he wakes up is the real Goku. Trunks mistakes Goku for Black and immediately tried to attack him, before Bulma slaps him out of his rage and makes him realize this is the real Goku.
    • Vegeta likewise seems to treat fighting Goku Black as another chance to beat Kakarot, always eagerly snatching the chance to pound his rival's doppelganger.

Apr 4th 2018 at 6:35:58 AM

Not quite sure about these two:

  • In Supernatural:
    • Jack's mother dies giving birth to him, so he's always felt something was missing, having been able to communicate telepathically with his mother in utero but never getting to meet her face to face. While working a case, he and the brothers encounter a shapeshifter who works as a bereavement counselor. She is able to use the brothers' memories of Kelly to take her form and give Jack a chance to "speak" to the mother he was never able to meet. Jack is thrilled to finally be able to hug her and thank her for protecting him.
    • Sam and Dean get sent back in time to save their now-deceased-parents from an attack that has been planned in order to make sure Sam and Dean were never born. Sam, who was only six-months-old when his mother was murdered, is speechless and visibly overwhelmed by actually getting to meet and speak to her first time. However, as they have to lie about who they are, Mary is confused by the intensity of Sam's emotions. Sam is also startled by how gentle and calm his eventually militant father is. Sam describes how he was raised and John reacts in horror that a child would ever be raised that way. Without revealing who he really is, Sam is able to tell his dad he appreciates John's sacrifices and John is able to express that he would unconditionally love any kid he was lucky enough to have.

Apr 4th 2018 at 7:24:11 AM

^ I think the first is but not the second.

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