Line #16 YMMV/TwitchPlaysPokemonCrystal


1	* AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
2	** AJ is either a fight-happy child tortured by the voices with a goal of merely defeating Red or an embittered individual deciding to [[KillTheGod Kill The Gods]] of the previous stream and their leader. And [[http://alexisroyce.deviantart.com/art/TPP-Crystal-440353396 some even interpret him]] as ''liking'' being possessed.
3	** Red is thought to either be saving AJ from control of the Mob by [[BeatTheCurseOutOfHim beating the voices out of him]] or to have finally gone off the deep end and kill anyone remotely associated with the voices.
4	** This applies to the Mob itself: an EldritchAbomination hell bent on making children's lives miserable for entertainment a la Drosselmeyer of ''Anime/PrincessTutu'', or well-intentioned users who are just as much a part of the ride as the protagonists are?
5	** Some have even applied it to the ReasonableAuthorityFigure Admin themselves, stating that they aren't as reasonable as they might seem.
6	** A the Raticate: ButtMonkey who was unfairly kept underleveled by AJ, had his chance for redemption with the EXP Share taken away from him, and then was harshly abandoned in the PC? Or TheLoad who chickened out upon first battling Red and dove into the PC because they didn't want to have to face him again?
7	* BaseBreakingCharacter:
8	** Lord Helix and the other characters from the previous game themselves. One side is trying to force similar characters into this game, whilst the other side just wants to move on and introduce new characters. You can imagine the outrage when the former caught a Pidgey and declared it the second coming of Bird Jesus... There is also a noticeable divide in lore interpretations between those who want to interpret Lord Helix as still being the BigGood and the events of this game as a BatmanGambit by the gods of the previous instalment, and those who prefer the darker, more mortal-centred "No gods or kings only 'mon" version.
9	** The way that Prince Omelette is one, either he's the true Supreme Being, a messenger from Helix, or just a member of the team continuing a Monarchy theme
10	** King Leer the Lazorgator. One side loves having a crocodile that shoots lasers from its eyes; the other side believes that he has become overpowered and makes the game [[InvincibleHero boring]] as a result. They point to the moment in ''Twitch Plays Pokemon Red'' when Red lost his starter as the moment when the game started to become interesting. And on yet another side, there are those who love Lazorgator just fine but believe that relying on a single mon to win would come to bite them in the butt, which showed when they fought the Elite Four. The tensions over Lazorgator boiled over during the Night of the 3rd Day, resulting in a spectacular shattering of the fanbase, a nearly hour-long war over the PC, and debate spilling into Reddit, 4Chan, and other chats dedicated to the stream. The stream's gotten 2 badges since this, but still spends hours in Pokemon Centers arguing over the fate of Lasor Gator.
11	** The base breaking eventually became a part of the lore itself, interpreted as the team struggling to carve their own identities and fight back against the Gods of old; i.e. [[ToughActToFollow the standard set by the original TPP]]. For instance...
12	*** [[Film/MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian Brian]] is interpreted as an ordinary Pidgey [[UnwantedFalseFaith mistaken for the second coming of Bird Jesus]] and seeking to be recognized for what he is, and not what his ancestor was.
13	*** Lazorgator is depicted as a formerly innocent Totodile who saw a lot of hardships and abuse, which prompted him to [[CrutchCharacter grow stronger for the sake of the team]], but also turned him [[AntiHero bitter and dark]].
14	* BrokenBase:
15	* ContestedSequel: To ''Twitch Plays Pokemon Red''. Some are glad the adventure is continuing and will be able to get more of their crowdsourced gaming fix, but others feel that the entire concept is going from "Hey, we [[Awesome/TwitchPlaysPokemonRed beat Pokémon Red]]!" to becoming a steaming pile of {{Discredited Meme}}s.
16	* CrackShip: The Girl That Never Was/"..." of ''Pokemon Lost Silver'', based on mutual existence cessation.
17	* DiscreditedMeme: Anything centered around the Helix religion due to "No Kings. No Gods. Only 'Mon." The first game built the meme, the second one tried to kill it. That and many players were sick of people trying to force the old lore into subsequent games, to the point that some players pushed for an Emerald lore where no one is even aware of Helix.
18	* EnsembleDarkhorse: Despite being a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] for any other part of the fandom, The Mob seems to love Trainer Joey, to the point of him becoming meme. So far they have made ''two'' detours to visit him, just so that Joey would continue calling AJ.
19	** It may have to do with the military theme and or the fact that they were {{Killer Rabbit}}s at the start but Admiral Sentret's release was met with sadness, fan art and confessions wishing he would stay despite not doing much for the team.
20	** The loss of Prince Omlette made the mob realize just how much they had fallen in love with the little egg.
21	* EsotericHappyEnding: Hooray! The gods are dead! The kings are dethroned! AJ and his team can make their own destiny! But Red, a 14 year old kid, is still stuck on Mt. Silver amidst hostile wild Pokemon, assuming his disappearance after the battle means he didn't die too. He watched his friends die for something they couldn't control. And despite being kidnapped and boxed, according to Mania, Shuckie doesn't seem to want to leave the team. ...Yay?
22	* FanPreferredCouple: AJ and Joey.
23	* FanficFuel: Kris, since she was [[EpilepticTrees probably erased]] from existence by the ResetButton.
24	* GoddamnBats: Defeating Red would be a lot easier if it weren't for Mt. Silver's absurdly high encounter rate.
25	* GrowingTheBeard: Following the release of Lord Omlette, the story began to gradually shift away from trying to re-capture the magic from ''WebVideo/TwitchPlaysPokemonRed'' and began to solidify its RageAgainstTheHeavens identity.
26	* HarsherInHindsight: [[http://bunnyshadeow.tumblr.com/post/14344928809/yesterday-when-i-tried-to-migrate-pokemon-from This]] image, drawn a whopping ''three years'' before the start of TPP Crystal, depicting their version of Ethan/Gold in the aftermath of accidentally killing Red's team.
27	* HilariousInHindsight: [[http://strawberry--ashes.deviantart.com/art/Lord-Helix-Blesses-the-New-Vessel-437542072 Look at the first comment.]]
28	** "''Starting to think that hats are a symbol of mind control in the TPP verse.''"
29	*** Keep in mind, this is before the flood of hat = mind control fan art the next day.
30	** ''Anime/PokemonTheSeries'' featured a Youngster character named [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/AJ AJ]] at one point.
31	** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLTrSpwZbgI This song.]]
32	** So, the version of Pokemon Crystal being played is a hack that (among other changes) adds in all (at the time) 251 Pokemon. And on top of ''that'', Red's team from [[WebVideo/TwitchPlaysPokemonRed the first playthrough]] was hacked in. In other words, [[WebVideo/JonTron we played a Pokemon double-hack]].
33	*** Considering that the original games were supposed to have Red fight with [[OldSaveBonus whatever team the player used in RGBY]], having this hack accidentally brought that feature back.
34	** The mob's declaration that Joey is the "[[{{Videogame/Telefang}} Pokémon Diamond]]" protagonist becomes hilarious after the Mob's associating him with the Pokégear's phone function.
35	** Shuckie was never returned to Mania. ''AJ was finally able to successfully steal a Pokémon from their trainer.''
36	** People claimed Feraligatr's overleveling was depriving the rest of the team of experience, though this diminished as the run went on. In the ''next'' run, Azumarill reached '''Level 100''' while the rest of the team was barely in its [=30s=], forcing nearly a week of grinding so everyone else could pull their own weight. At least AJ's team had the Exp.Share and the sense to not throw it out.
37	** The Mob wanted to capture Will's Xatu and wasted Poké balls cause of it. In Heartgold, which was randomized, the Shiny Gyaradaos was a Shiny Xatu...which the Mob successfully captured!
38	** At one point, the Mob wasted their Master Ball on a Goldeen. In ''[[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U]]'', there's a chance a Master Ball will release a Goldeen instead of a Legendary Pokémon.
39	* HoYay: AJ/MC and Joey... maybe.
40	** "GUYS WE NEED TO MILK WADE" seems to indicate AJ might have the hots for him.
41	** Camper Todd's late night call to AJ.
42	--> '''Todd:''' Why don't you show me your [[UnusualEuphemism technique]] in a [[SexIsViolence real battle,]] huh? I'll be waiting on [[RuleThirtyFour Route 34.]]
43	** They had two male Pokémon (Brian and Hoothoot) in the Daycare together up until they received the 6th badge.
44	** Currently there are two female Pokemon (Oxxy and Zubat) in the Daycare.
45	** Immediately after teaching Espeon attract, Espeon tried to attract a male Xatu. Fittingly, moments later he was confused.
46	* ItsEasySoItSucks: A common complaint and argument for releasing the starter. Ironically, the fights have been ''more'' difficult, if anything, than the first stream... largely because the team relies too much on their starter. Getting rid of him might balance the team out and make it even easier in the long run.
47	** This trope is also levied against the low difficulty of the Gen 2 games. G/S/C are considered unbalanced compared to other generations, making this playthrough even more of a cakewalk. Well, until they hit the [[DifficultySpike Elite Four]].
48	*** This is reinforced by the third playthrough with Emerald having multiple stalls in progress, and despite both of them having an overleveled Water Mon, it took A longer to get 8 badges than it took AJ to get 16.
49	* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Burrito has been shipped with pretty much everyone on the team.
50	* MemeticBadass: The MC due to his fanon personality. See the Characters page.
51	** Lazorgator basically defines this trope, especially after killing Suicune.
52	** Prince Omelette was able to pull off some spectacular moves and hold his own despite being a baby.
53	* MemeticMutation: See [[Memes/TwitchPlaysPokemon here]].
54	* OfficialCouple: Quite a few, depending on interpretation (i.e., Gator and Katie, Brian and RJ-I), but the one most universally agreed to be canon is AJ and Joey.
55	* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: While many began to dislike Lazorgator for allegedly making the run too easy (see below), he was met with much more acceptance once the team's levels were spread a bit more evenly.
56	** Likewise, Eevee was an AppleOfDiscord in the first playthrough, and when it evolved into Flareon the Mob dubbed the False Prophet and actively tried to release it. The Eevee in this playthrough evolved into Espeon and was instantly treated as TheHeart, a symbol of hope, and the Eevee line's redemption.
57	* TheScrappy: By Day 4, the stream had lost tens of thousands of viewers over what it usually had during the first generation, to the point even some of the live updaters were losing interest and not updating any longer. Some people on {{Website/Reddit}} and Platform/FourChan blamed Lazorgator for being overleveled and hogging all the experience from the other team members, thus making the game too easy.
58	** Shuckie, or Shuck Norris, tends to slow down the game a lot at the front of the party due to his abysmal attacking power.
59	** Raticate A during the Elite 4 run, due to being the least skilled member of the team, having mainly Normal-type moves, and often being OHKO'd. The Onix "Solid Snake" was in a similar situation, but was RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap by evolving to Steelix and learning some new moves.
60	* ScrappyMechanic: A new government system was introduced prior to beating the Elite Four (nicknamed "Demarchy" or "Lottocracy") but was removed the same day due to complaints.
61	* {{Shipping}}: Much more than the previous adventure, and not caused by the new breeding or attract mechanics like you'd expect. AJ is shipped with any trainer he gives his phone number to (but Joey [[FanPreferredCouple more so than any of the others]]).
62	** OneTruePairing: About 80% of the fandom agree that AJ is in a legitimate relationship with Joey. How seriously he takes it [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation is up for debate.]]
63	*** In true Pokémon shipping fashion, the pairing has been nicknamed "[[IdiosyncraticShipNaming Toppercentageshipping]]".
64	** LoveTriangle: Depending on the fan, Katie is either in a relationship with [=LazorGator=] or Brian, either as fellow reptilian creatures or fellow fliers. The debate continues as to whom she'll ultimately end up with.
65	*** Katie's been paired up with every other member of the core team by some interpretations. Onix/Steelix was believed by a few to be harboring secret affections stemming from when she was a Dragonair (again, the somewhat compatible physique is noticeable), and Espeon, being associated with love, was paired with her and [[http://hollarity.tumblr.com/post/79716731138/today-on-shipplayspokemon-we-follow-young everyone else]].
66	* ThatOneBoss: Silver is actually a challenge (especially when compared to Blue), mostly because of his Gastly/Haunter.
67	** Morty for the same reasons as Silver but even more so with the ghosts.
68	** Koga, due to his poison moves and explosions.
69	** Karen has Gengar, made even worse as it has [[TakingYouWithMe Destiny Bond]] along with Curse. In general, more {{Status Infliction Attack}}s and better AI have made this Elite Four harder than before.
70	** And, naturally, Pokémon Trainer Red. His lead is none other than a level 81 [[OlympusMons Zapdos]], which alone is capable of wiping out the entire team, since the only Pokémon of a high enough level to actually beat him is weak to Electric attacks and the team has to go all the way through Mt Silver to even reach him in the first place.
71	* ThatOneLevel: Route 29. First route in the game and a maze of ledges.
72	** Morty's Gym is a nightmare to the Mob. First of all, the Gym itself contains an invisible narrow pathway with turns on it, making it impossible to navigate in Anarchy. Second is the fact that he uses Ghost-type Pokémon, which has proven time and time again to be really hard to deal with. Thirdly, a Gengar with Curse, Hypnosis and Dream Eater who can stone-wall ANYTHING AJ can throw at him. In fact, Ecruteak Gym has earned its own nickname: "[[{{Pun}} The Elite Floor]]".
73	** Ice Path. Because of the Mob's lack of coordination, the sliding and strength puzzles proved to be a mighty obstacle.
74	** Victory Road. In a normal playthrough, it would be the easiest Victory Road in the series with no Trainers or block puzzles to deal with. But in this playthrough, whiting out here means they go all the way back to Johto, and it takes a long time to return to Kanto. Not to mention [[ThatOneBoss Silver]] awaits at the end.
75	** And once again, the ledge below the Viridian City Gym. And this time the mob has to wait an hour before Democracy mode kicks, making it frustruating for players who wish for democracy to quickly enter the gyme like in Red.
76	** Mt. Silver. Not only does it have a quite high encounter rate, making it difficult to keep the team healthy before they go up against [[TrueFinalBoss Red]], but the first room is also PITCH BLACK unless Flash is used, which is difficult to activate in itself.
77	* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: A more streamlined version of anarchy was experimented with, which took inputs for a half-second at a time and chose one at random. Democrats hated it because it replaced democracy, and Anarchists hated it because they thought it was too much like democracy. The old system was put back soon afterward, though this system is different from the one in Red and thus not very popular.
78	** Some people, especially in the first days, expressed disappointment that the stream is using a modified game rather than the original, detracting from the authentic feeling of the project. (Most have accepted it by now, however.)
79	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: It was a struggle to reach Red at the summit when half of the team alive at all, so it's not as if this could be easily avoided, but one unfortunate consequence of the climax was that Brian never got to face off against Bird Jesus[[note]]Brian had fainted before the final battle[[/note]], despite Katie and Lazor Gator taking out their rivals ATV and Lord Helix.
80	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Despite Kris/The Girl That Never Was' above mention as FanFicFuel, she has little lore surrounding her with the most concrete lore being that she's either from another timeline or [[RetGone she just plain never happened]].
81	* ToughActToFollow: Compared to the playthrough of Pokémon Red, there hasn't been quite as much excitement and story-building for Crystal, though the story has developed into a meta-commentary on being a ToughActToFollow.
82	** Compared to the storyline of this LP, ''WebVideo/TwitchPlaysPokemonEmerald'' is going to have an even bigger case of this.
83	* ViewerGenderConfusion: Sometimes the second Hoothoot caught is referred to as [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Hootigi]] when the male Hoothoot is being referred to as [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Hootio]], despite actually being female.
84	** Eevee / Espeon is often thought of as female by many in the Mob, despite being male. Part of it is him being TheHeart of the team.
85	* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Thinking about how Lazergator is stability and how stale (not entertaining) it is with him around and how the mob wants to release/get rid of him...
86	** Coincidentally, their reasoning for releasing Lazergator is the same reasons people were Anti-Democracy in Gen 1.
87	* WinBackTheCrowd: The confrontation with Red's modified team from the first stream won back many viewers.
88	* TheWoobie: [[http://www.reddit.com/r/twitchplayspokemon/comments/1zo65g/dear_aj_lazergators_plea_warning_long_read/ This]] interpretation of Lazorgator.

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