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1!!The novel²* AdaptationDisplacement: ²** It's often forgotten that it actually began life as [[Theatre/PeterPan1904 a play]], before being adapted into a novel (both by JM Barrie).²** And it's often forgotten that while the play was Peter Pan's first incarnation as a story, the ''character'' of Peter Pan goes back further still, to his debut in ''Literature/PeterPanInKensingtonGardens'', which wasn't even its own standalone story but part of Barrie's novel ''Literature/TheLittleWhiteBird''.²* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: One of the rare cases in which it hits on something, since most of the people who consider Pan evil have no idea that early drafts of the story had him as the villain, taking children away from their parents.²** The thing is, while in the earliest, earliest draft of the story, Peter may have been portrayed as slightly more antagonistic, he is portrayed as the hero in every other draft of the story. The thing is that we have different ideas and opinions of what a hero is supposed to be, than those of people in the 19th century and beyond. Today we believe that heroes are supposed to be shining examples of virtue, but that wasn’t always the case. Barrie loved his character and the story and brought up a lot of good things in it. He wrote Peter as an exaggeration of a cocky overconfident boy, but Peter wasn’t afraid of death. It says “he felt scared, yet he felt only one shudder run through him when any other person would have felt scared up until death. With his blithe attitude towards death, he says, “To die will be an awfully big adventure”.” and with that Barrie is showing us both a naivety and bravery we possess as children but lose as adults and is basically telling us that we shouldn’t let that go. The point is growing up is inevitable but you don’t have to lose everything.²*** Peter Pan is supposed to be a tragic hero, his ‘fatal flaw’ is the fact that he choses not to grow up. More often the story makes it clear Peter is not evil or bad in nature, his acts and actions are simply a byproduct of his immaturity: being in Neverland prevents one from aging physically, meaning he cannot change; he is shown to have times of remorse and is portrayed as having a strong code of honour and the only person he truly disrespected was Captain Hook.²*** Moreover, the stories also make it very clear he has a very complicated personality, as Peter has a very strong sense of honour and refuses to ever break his word, even when it would be more beneficial for him to.²*** He also has a high level of childhood naiveté, as he's unable to grasp the idea that people might not follow his standards of honour. ²*** Through the story that Peter tells about his own mother, whether it is true or not, Peter reveals that his hatred of mothers stems from an unresolved feeling of abandonment. From the fear of abandonment comes Peter’s rejection of love; if his own mother could abandon him like that, then nobody will stay for long, give love to him, or deserve to be loved in return. ²*** Peter Pan was not a kidnapper in the original story, in fact there is a scene in the book where when Wendy decided that she wanted to go home, the Lost Boys decide to try and hold her prisoner, only to find that they had no support from Peter because he did not force anyone (let alone a girl) to stay in Neverland against their will. ²*** The line about Peter 'thinning' the Lost Boys out when they grew old is also taken out of context of the story, it's shown when Slightly (as far as they knew then) kills Wendy, Peter cannot bring himself to kill him. In the 2005 sequel novel (something that had to completely adhere to the canon rules and characterisations established by J.M. Barrie) it’s revealed that ‘thinning them out’ means that he ‘banishes’ them and cuts off his ties to that person as it’s revealed in the novel that growing up can be avoided by not thinking about the future (In fact the novel’s villain almost manages to trick Peter into growing up), those who do are banished. Banishment means that Peter and his followers ignore and no longer interact with the person who was banished.²* AngstWhatAngst:²** In everyone who goes to Neverland; in Peter himself so much it's scary.²** The one thing he ever briefly has angst over is the fact that he had no parents, and he'll never have a family or know true love because [[NotGrowingUpSucks he can't grow up]], which is a bit of a TearJerker. In ''Hook'' he gives in to this and leaves Neverland.²** In the original novel it is mentioned that he cries a lot in his sleep. This implies that even if he has forgotten all the horrible things that have happened to him, he still remembers them subconsciously. ²* EvilIsCool: Captain Hook. [[LampshadeHanging The narrator is well aware of this]], and repeatedly goes out of his way to stress that, despite being "not wholly unheroic," he ''isn't'' a DracoInLeatherPants.²* FanonDiscontinuity: Tinker Bell's death of old age is ignored by almost every adaptation and fan work, to the point that the official sequel to the novel brings her back to life.²* HilariousInHindsight: ²** John mentions fantasizing about becoming a pirate and calling himself Red-handed Jack. In ''Film/{{Hook}}'', Peter's son Jack ''does'' become a pirate, and he dresses up like a miniature Captain Hook. Had he gone the whole nine yards, he would have been Jack with a RedRightHand.²** The late author Creator/PeterBenchley's widow is named Wendy.²* JerkassWoobie: Peter Pan himself is an arrogant and bloodthirsty delinquent, but every now and then the veneer slips and it's clear how desperately sad it is to never grow up. [[TearJerker Especially toward the end, when the narrator describes how Peter will never be able to know the joys and love of family.]]²%%* MagnificentBastard:²%%** Peter.²%%** Hook.²* MoralEventHorizon: The pirates' massacre of the Indians is this for Hook.²* NoYay: Wendy/Hook. Good god, Wendy/Hook. "For a moment she was entranced by him." See the 2003 film version as well.²* RootingForTheEmpire: Peter Pan is such a sociopath it can be hard to cheer for him in the final battle on the pirate ship.²* ToyShip: Peter and Wendy. Also Wendy and Hook, depending on the handling of the adaptation.²* UnbuiltTrope: It’s practically a cliche for modern writers to depict a character who NeverGrewUp as a sociopath, subverting the image of eternal childhood innocence. It’s easy to forget that Peter, the character they’re ostensibly deconstructing, was originally a thoughtless, selfish, amoral {{Jerkass}}, explicitly because as an perpetual child he never learned right from wrong.²* ValuesDissonance: ²** The boys go out and have adventures, and Wendy is their 'mother' and does all of the cooking and mending. At the end of the story Peter returns to London to find Wendy grown up, and her daughter goes off with him for a month to do his spring-cleaning. The whole story is built around children's fantasies, so the fundamental premise is that its' boys' fantasies to have adventures with pirates and Indians and the like, and girls' fantasies to be mothers and keep house and that's ''all''. (Tiger Lily is an exception, being described as a formidable warrior, but the only scene we really see her in is when Peter saves her and she more or less disappears from the story after that, making her a FauxActionGirl.)²** The horribly racist depiction of the Indians, particularly after Peter saves Tiger Lily.²** The insinuation that all families have/need both a mother and father, which is blatant in the Disney adaptation.²* TheWoobie: Say it with us, everyone--"Poor Tootles!" Despite being the only Lost Boy who might accurately be called "nice", he's BornUnlucky and his self-esteem is virtually non-existent. Not to mention that he's always saying things like this:²--> ''"I did it...When ladies used to come to me in dreams, I said, 'Pretty mother, pretty mother.' But when at last she really came, I shot her."''²²!![[Disney/PeterPan The Disney animated film]]²* AdaptationDisplacement: The movie adds "star" to the book's quote "Second star to the right and straight on til morning", which is almost invariably how the phrase is quoted, often even with mistaken attribution to Barrie.²* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: By the time of her musical number in Peter Pan's hideout, Wendy doesn't want to go back home because she misses her parents. She wants to go home, because of the bad experiences she's had in Neverland. Said experiences include Tinkerbell trying to kill her, the Mermaids trying to kill her, the Indians treating her like a slave, and Peter laughing at and/or ignoring her through the whole thing.²* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: If you can get past the [[FairForItsDay nowadays]]-[[TontoTalk offensive]] lyrics, ''What Made the Red Man Red?'' is definitely worth a listen for the musical accompaniment alone.²* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The crocodile looking at the camera and smiling. Even Peter looks confused.²* BrokenBase: The movie itself has entered this in the modern age. Some still view it as a Disney classic, while others feel it's a bad adaptation. The racist portrayal of the Indians doesn't help. ²* CrossesTheLineTwice: The 'Indians' of Never-Land are so ridiculously caricatured, and so many different native cultures are mashed together, that for some the initial 'Were the animators really this racist?' reaction gives way to 'I'm not laughing at the film, I'm laughing at the ignorant bigots who animated it.'²* EarWorm: ²** Tick-Tock the Crocodile's CutSong "[[ Never Smile at a Crocodile]]".²** Also, ValuesDissonance or not, "What Made the Red Man Red?"²** "You Can Fly" and "Follow The Leader" also count.²* EnsembleDarkhorse: ²** Mr. Smee has a lot of funny moments for being a villain's sidekick and so has a lot of fans.²** Tick Tock the Crocodile has become iconic for the tick-tock that announces his presence, and the hilarious fright it provokes in Hook. ²** Tiger Lily is also the only Native American character that is somewhat well-liked, since she isn't a racist caricature like the rest of her people and is actually pretty cool as the [[TheVoiceless silent]] [[OnlySaneMan only sane character]] in Neverland.²** The Mermaids, who don't even have names, get a lot of fan love, especially on Tumblr.²* EvilIsCool: Captain Hook. It was said that Hans Conried really had fun doing Hook's voice.²* FairForItsDay: The movie's embarrassing portrayal of the Indian tribe was actually one of the more ''positive'' representations of American Indians at the time (and to their credit, they do show things like Tiger Lily refusing to rat out Peter's hideout to Hook and the Indians utterly ''[[CurbStompBattle trouncing]]'' the Lost Boys in combat). Supervising ''Peter Pan'' animator Marc Davis once said: "[[OldShame I'm not sure we would have done the Indians if we were making this movie now. And if we had we wouldn't do them the way we did back then.]]" But still, Disney has done what it can short of censoring the film. For instance, the Blu-Ray has a feature that allows the viewer to jump to each of the film's musical numbers, but "What Made the Red Man Red?" is ''not'' one of the selections available.²* HilariousInHindsight: The first words in the film (by an unnamed narrator) are [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 "All this has happened before...and it will happen again."]]²* HoYay: Hook and Smee. Smee seems to live for nothing more than serving Hook, which he does quite cheerfully. He's also ''quite'' the bumbler, and yet Hook hasn't killed him yet, despite shooting a man for singing distractingly or hurling one overboard for an irksome comment. He also calls exclusively for Smee with insane gusto any time he needs saving, and during the 'life of a pirate' song there's the affectionate little feather tickle Hook gives Smee, and Smee seems quite smitten by it. In ''Return to Neverland'' the octopus gives Hook a kiss with one sucker, which Hook accepts with no problem because he thinks it's from Smee. Smee also gives the Captain a rough massage.²* JerkassWoobie: ²** Tinker Bell, once you learn the Disney-omitted detail about how she's so small (being a fairy) that she only has room for one emotion at a time. She spends far more of the movie being broken-hearted than jealous.²** Captain Hook qualifies, too. He may be an evil pirate that most definitely WouldHurtAChild, but he's such a miserable, pathetic loser that suffers more than he deserves and, unlike most Disney Villains, has an understandable reason to want to kill his nemesis.²* MemeticMutation:²** '''"SMEEEEE!!!"'''²** Captain Hook shooting the accordion-playing pirate, whose song is usually replaced with a different song in WebAnimation/{{YouTube Poop}}s.²** "We were only trying to drown her!"²** A GIF of Wendy smiling and blinking, with the subtitle "Internally screaming", is a minor meme on Tumblr.²** Think of [[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice Batman]] pooping snakes. [[labelnote:Explanation]]A case of {{Mondegreen}} during the "You Can Fly" number, heard during the line "Take the path that moonbeams make". It gets mentioned in the comments of nearly any video that features this song.[[/labelnote]]²** Thanks to ''WebVideo/HonestTrailers'', the scene where Tinker Bell tries in vain to get out of a keyhole while appearing to be "twerking" has been getting a lot of traction.²* {{Narm}}: The explosion that destroys the Lost Boys' lair creates a cloud so big it reaches the ship. Yet not only do Peter and Tinker Bell survive (despite being literally next to the bomb when it went off), they're both completely fine afterwards. ²* NeverLiveItDown: Despite them being minor characters, the [[ValuesDissonance problematic portrayal]] of the Indians is probably the single most infamous part of the film.²* NewerThanTheyThink: You know that iconic image of Tinkerbell creating magic with her magic wand? Yeah, she never actually does that in this film. That came later, with the ''Series/WaltDisneyPresents'' TV series.²* NightmareFuel:²** David Hall's early treatment of the film is even further from the play and extremely horrific.²** [[NightmareRetardant With the odd exception of the crocodile]], [[ who looks just plain silly.]]²** Two words: Skull Rock. ²* NightmareRetardant: In most versions of the story, the ticking crocodile that pursues Captain Hook is portrayed as a fearsome creature. In this version, he's one of the funniest characters. ²* OneSceneWonder: The mermaids are in one scene, but are well remembered by many, particularly their MemeticMutation line.²* RootingForTheEmpire: A good number of people prefer Captain Hook over Peter Pan himself. This is probably due to the fact that, unlike other Disney villains, Captain Hook has an understandable reason to want and destroy his nemesis. That and the abuses he continually suffers from seems more undeserved than anything, putting him straight into IneffectualSympatheticVillain territory. Where he crosses the line, of course, is by [[KickTheDog lashing out at perfectly innocent people]] in his quest to get at Peter, even if he thinks that's the only way he can succeed. It should also be noted that ''his own crew'' hates him because [[ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything they never (or at least no longer) get to do fun pirate stuff]], but have to constantly aid and abet a revenge quest they don't give a rat's ass about.²** Continued with the sequel, ''Return to Neverland''. While the captain was made more vicious and sinister, he ''still'' winds up being the most sympathetic character, as, even without the crocodile, his abuse continues (this time even more so). By the end of the film, the Jolly Roger even gets destroyed, leaving him and his crew without a home.²* SmurfetteBreakout: Tinker Bell has her own spinoff franchise. In a more meta sense, she's more recognizable as the Disney mascot. When one thinks of the Disney version of Peter Pan, Tink is the first thing that comes to mind. ²* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: "Following the Leader" sounds very similar to the folk song "Charlie is My Darling".²* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: ²** The hardcore J.M. Barrie purists criticised the portrayal of Tinker Bell for her HotterAndSexier image and emphasising her ClingyJealousGirl nature.[[note]]The book and play make it clear that fairies only have room for one emotion at a time - and that Tinker Bell isn't normally so nasty and jealous. The movie doesn't mention that, just making Tink look like a {{Yandere}}.[[/note]]²** Removing the "I do believe in fairies" scene gets some criticism too. Especially since Tinker Bell inexplicably recovers from being nearly blown up.²* ToyShip: Peter/Wendy. Also Peter/Jane in the sequel.²* UnintentionallySympathetic: Captain Hook. See JerkassWoobie and RootingForTheEmpire.²* ValuesDissonance: ²** Watching "What Made the Red Man Red?" today can be... uncomfortable to say the least. Though the music itself is still awesome.²** To a lesser extent, the mermaids are a lot racier than one would expect from Disney. One has GodivaHair and another is only covered by her flower necklace. The [[Disney/TheLittleMermaid next time]] Disney would do mermaids, they would all wear a SeashellBra.²** The amount of sexism that's present (from degrading comments said by the main character, to the fact that nearly all the female characters are either defined by their crush on the lead, or their cattiness) can be very, ''very'' uncomfortable to sit through, to the point that it's hard to just enjoy the film.²** Most girls today would find getting their own room and no longer having to share with their younger brothers a ''far'' more attractive prospect than Wendy did.²* TheWoobie: Wendy, a sweet girl who was dreaming of Neverland stories since she was a child...and once she finally visits Neverland, she's treated like a ButtMonkey for the entire movie and all the female characters (except Tiger Lily) have it in for her just because she happens to be a woman. When the mermaids tried to drown her, even her childhood hero [[KidsAreCruel Peter]] was laughing at her.²²!![[Film/PeterPan The live-action film]]²* AccidentalInnuendo: ²** "Both hands." Probably doubles as {{Squick}} for many.²** "You'll never make a man out of me!"²* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: ²** Well, the music ''was'' after all, composed by Music/JamesNewtonHoward. So awesome that Disney stole it for use in their Disneyland commercials.²*** To offer a few specific examples:²*** [[ Flying]]²*** [[ Fairy Dance]]²*** [[ I Do Believe In Fairies]]²*** [[ Peter Returns]]²** Just ''try'' and not get chills when the kids first fly to Neverland. ²** [[Music/ARushOfBloodToTheHead "Clocks"]] by Music/{{Coldplay}}, which was beautifully used in the trailers. This was when Coldplay was first coming out, and did a lot to get them noticed.²* CultClassic: Was a BoxOfficeBomb due to ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings: [[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Return Of The King]]'' coming out a week before it, but is beloved by many who saw it for its TruerToTheText treatment of the original story (especially compared to the Disney version).²* DracoInLeatherPants: Captain Hook gets this treatment ''a lot'' in fanfics, usually just because he's played by Jason Isaacs. He's usually depicted as the [[Literature/HarryPotter Draco to Wendy's Hermione.]]²* EnsembleDarkhorse: Slightly, the Lost Boy who arrives home late and gets adopted by Aunt Millicent instead. The actor who played him only did the one film but was surprised at his character being so remembered years later.²* EvilIsCool: Creator/JasonIsaacs plays Captain Hook as a pretty badass villain in his own right.²* FoeYay: The film turns this UpToEleven between Hook and Peter.²* HilariousInHindsight:²** All the talk about Peter being afraid of love and of his own sexuality becomes funny if you know that Jeremy Sumpter went on to star in a notoriously bad Lifetime movie about a teenager getting addicted to internet porn.²** This movie preceded Disney's live-action remake series by more than a decade, causing several snarky fans of this film[[note]]particularly those with an ItsTheSameNowItSucks reaction to the Disney remakes[[/note]] to call it the best of the remakes.²* JerkassWoobie: Peter. Hook too, to some extent, but this version constantly squanders this sympathy.²* MemeticMolester: Hook, mainly thanks to his [[NoSenseOfPersonalSpace lack of personal space]], tendency to grab the protagonists whenever they're close enough, and the ''incredibly creepy'' way he first greets Wendy when she wakes up on his ship (stressing her surname into an endearment).²* NightmareFuel: ²** The more monstrous portrayal of the [[ mermaids]] and the only one to date to actually show ''the stump of Hook's severed arm''.²** Hook's eyes actually do turn red as he attempts to murder an unarmed Peter Pan. ²** The Crocodile is absolutely terrifying. Absolutely huge and apparently highly intelligent. This particular beast seems based more on gigantic, prehistoric "super-crocs" like the forty-foot ''Deinosuchus'' than modern crocodiles.²* NoYay:²** Sometimes the response to the Hook/Wendy dynamic, including from several professional reviewers. WordOfGod says they didn't realize when they were shooting just how that was going to look on film. Never mind that it's a pretty accurate portrayal of Wendy's attraction to Hook in the novel. One reviewer didn't have a problem with that as much as with his perception of Hook's attraction to ''[[NoYay her]]''.²** The FoeYay between Hook and Peter can fall into this category, too.²** One reviewer speculated that a lot of the creepiness could be attributed to the fact that Hook has NoSenseOfPersonalSpace with either of them. [[ At]] [[ all.]] Creator/JasonIsaacs has mentioned in interviews how incredibly uncomfortable some of that was to portray.²--> '''Jason:''' Never work with children, animals or [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs animal-like children]].²* TearJerker: Hook giving Peter a verbal NoHoldsBarredBeatdown, implying Wendy will leave and forget him, in order to break him. ²* ToyShip: John with Princess Tiger Lily. (Mostly) one-sided with Wendy and Peter, too.²* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The fairy dance scene in particular.²²!! The comic book:²* NightmareFuel : If you die in Neverland, not only will people forget about you, they know they're going to forget about you and are powerless to stop it.²* UnexpectedCharacter: What is [[spoiler:UsefulNotes/JackTheRipper]] doing in a Peter Pan story?


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