Line #32 YMMV/NewOrder


1	* AudienceAlienatingEra: The band's "guitar" era, encompassing 2001 to 2013. While ''Music/GetReady'' is well regarded (to the point of being considered the only album to have escaped the gargantuan shadow of ''Music/{{Technique}}''), its two follow-ups, ''Waiting for the Sirens' Call'' and ''Lost Sirens'', are seen as below the band's usual standards thanks to its stark deviation from their typical AlternativeDance sound, with ''Get Ready'' being credited with instigating the change. ''Music Complete'', which moved back to a synth-heavy dance style, is generally regarded as what ended the slump.
2	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: ''[[Music/SubstanceNewOrderAlbum Substance]]'', from start to finish -- "Blue Monday," "True Faith," "Bizarre Love Triangle," and "The Perfect Kiss" are especially noteworthy. It's no accident that [=AllMusic=] lists the compilation as an "album pick," meaning the site's editors consider it the most representaive of the band's output as a whole.
3	** The original version of Ceremony (on the collector's edition of Movement and the singles discs) on max volume.
4	** "Fine Time", "Round and Round", "Run" and other tracks on the ''Music/{{Technique}}'' album.
5	** "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LY3ftiLqmE Elegia]]" has gained a fair bit of notoriety for its use in ''Series/StrangerThings'', ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'', and ''More'', an Oscar-nominated animated short.
6	** Pretty much all of their output from 1982-1989, starting with ''Power, Corruption and Lies'' and ending with ''Technique'' counts as this trope.
7	* TheBandMinusTheFace: The band without Peter Hook, to an extent. The band deliberately set out not to have a "face", but Hook's distinctive bass sound is conspicuous in its absence; New Order attempted to rectify this by including a few Hook-esque basslines on ''Music Complete'', though the difference is still apparent.
8	* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: In the middle of the "Bizarre Love Triangle" video the music stops and there's a black-and-white scene (it looks like a movie clip, but was actually made specifically for the video) of a man and a woman having a conversation about reincarnation. And then the music video proper just picks up right where it left off.
9	* BrokenBase: There's one over which version of "Sub-Culture" is the best. Most prefer the original album version, however there is a significant minority that prefers the single mix that appears on ''Substance''. There's also a smaller third camp that prefer the Razormaid/Sarm West mix that came packaged with an issue of the magazine ''Record Mirror''.
10	* ContestedSequel: ''Waiting for the Sirens' Call'' and ''Lost Sirens'' compared to ''Get Ready''.
11	* EclipsedByTheRemix: The 1995 Pump Panel Remix of "Confusion" is far better-known than either the original version or the ''Substance'' re-recording, thanks to its inclusion in ''Film/{{Blade}}''. There's also how "Bizarre Love Triangle" is probably more heard through either the Shep Pettibone remix done for the 12", or the Stephen Hague one from ''[[GreatestHitsAlbum The Best of New Order]]''.
12	* EpicRiff:
13	** One writer called the intro to "Blue Monday" "the most recognizable sonic signature of ''the decade''."
14	** The opening bass riff to "Bizarre Love Triangle". Okay, it is technically from a synthesizer, but it is still immediately recognizable nonetheless.
15	* FanNickname: Peter Hook is known as "Hooky". Bernard Sumner is "Barney", after a bootlegged live performance that got his name wrong in the credits.
16	* FanonDiscontinuity:
17	** Goes both ways. Some New Order fans ignore Music/JoyDivision, and vice versa.
18	** The single mix of "Sub-Culture", which is generally seen as overproduced compared to the minimalist album version.
19	** "World in Motion", due to it being ''significantly'' LighterAndSofter than New Order's typical material and due to it having a [[SoBadItsGood very cheesy]] rap break in it (which wasn't even written by any of the band members, mind you).
20	** Various '90s remixes, because they either [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks change too little]] (e.g. "True Faith-94", "1963-94") or [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks change too much]] (e.g. the Sly & Robbie mixes of "Ruined in a Day", "Blue Monday-95"). The one '90s remix that seems to get the most favorable response from fans is "1963-95", which is generally thought to do a good job distinguishing itself from the originals while remaining a good arrangements on its own merits. Tellingly, the 2016 reissue of ''Singles'' replaces the extended version of "1963-94" with "1963-95", with the latter being the only one of the band's '90s remixes to be included on this version of the compilation (the mixes of the ''Republic'' singles are simply radio edits of the album versions).
21	** ''Waiting for the Sirens' Call'' and ''Lost Sirens'', which are too guitar-heavy for many fans' tastes. ''Get Ready'' is sometimes thrown in as well due to it also being pretty guitar-driven, though it's a considerably less common target than the two albums that came after it.
22	** Phil Cunningham, due to his nature as a replacement for Gillian Gilbert during her brief retirement and because his appearance coincided with a more guitar-driven direction for New Order up until 2013. This seems to have dissipated somewhat with ''Music Complete'' and its return to a more electronic direction as well as Gilbert's return to the band.
23	* FriendlyFandoms: With Music/PetShopBoys, due to their similar style as well as both bands working with producer Stephen Hague. Frontman Neil Tennant has professed a love of Joy Division and New Order in interviews, as well as contributing vocals to several Music/{{Electronic}} songs. The bands were even set to tour together before being delayed by the COVID-19 pandemic.
24	* GatewaySeries: The band is the entry point into various forms of electronic and dance music for a lot of indie rock fans. Conversely, New Order's also a good entry point into PostPunk, GothRock, and AlternativeRock for fans of dance music and synthpop.
25	* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff:
26	** "Confusion" was really popular among breakdancers, who likely hadn't heard of Music/JoyDivision or Creator/FactoryRecords, to the point where it made the Billboard R&B charts and led to the band's U.S. deal with Music/QuincyJones' Qwest label, which mainly dealt in RAndB.
27	** Similarly, "Bizarre Love Triangle" has a cult following among the Asian American community as a dance song. [[http://hyphenmagazine.com/magazine/issue-7-body-fall-2005/wisdom-fool This article posits]] that it's because of the NarmCharm and NewWaveMusic being TheMoralSubstitute for the more openly rebellious PunkRock and HeavyMetal among the community, where being a fan of the latter genres could bring shame upon the family.
28	** New Order established a cult following in the U.S. almost immediately due to club and CollegeRadio play and the notoriety of their previous incarnation, Music/JoyDivision, which they would successfully ride to mainstream success through the 1980s, culminating in their stateside breakthrough with "True Faith" and ''Music/{{Substance\|NewOrderAlbum}}''. The band is also one of the original wave of '80s alternative bands like Music/{{The Cure\|Band}} and Music/DepecheMode to have maintained their popularity in the U.S. post-''Music/{{Nevermind\|Album}}'', albeit mostly in urban areas where dance and indie music have prominent followings. The band's post-reunion tour stops have been mainly concentrated on the East and West Coasts.
29	* GrowingTheBeard: "Everything's Gone Green" and "Temptation", where the band began to take more influence from electronica rather than copying the old Joy Division sound.
30	* LGBTFanbase: New Order has one, largely due to being heavily influenced by [[{{Disco}} a genre]] that was widely popular among gay people, as well as being part of [[AlternativeRock a scene]] that has largely been gay-friendly throughout its history. They even cited gay disco star Sylvester as a key influence on their sound. Though both men are straight, photos of Bernard Sumner and Peter Hook at [[UsefulNotes/SanFrancisco SF Pride]] '83 [[https://www.reddit.com/r/neworder/comments/npv4jc/in_honor_of_pride_month_here_is_barney_and_hooky/ resurfaced on Reddit]] during Pride Month 2021, with the two of them [[GayBravado playfully posing with each other]] and Sumner appearing shirtless at one point.
31	* MemeticMutation:
32	** John Barnes' rap in "World In Motion", to the point where it used to have its own Wikipedia article (it's since been merged into a section of the "World In Motion" page). For those not aware, keep in mind that Barnes was not a professional musician, but rather ''a football player''; his addition being due to the song being produced for the England national football team's 1990 FIFA World Cup campaign.
33	** "Blue Monday" has become the go-to song to '80s-set period pieces [[note]]As opposed to works made in TheEighties and set contemporarily[[/note]], remix videos of RealLife [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazis]], [[TheBully bullies]], and [[JerkAss jerks]] in general getting their comeuppance. [[https://www.facebook.com/HeresyLabs/videos/180135529220031/ Here's an example.]]
34	* MorePopularSpinOff: While Joy Division was very well-regarded and influential, New Order was much more commercially successful, at least partially due to their poppier sound but mostly because Joy Division was already on the verge of success prior to Ian Curtis' suicide.
35	* NarmCharm: Generally regarded as the main source of appeal for "World in Motion". The lyrics are incredibly cheesy and the music is bubbly enough to make Music/MilliVanilli seem dark by comparison, but it's also ''fun as hell''. It helps that it was written strictly as a single for the 1990 World Cup instead of being a more typical non-album single by the band.
36	* NeverLiveItDown:
37	** The cover for the 12-inch of "Blue Monday" is notorious for being so expensive to produce that it lost Factory Records money each time it was sold, but people tend to forget that later pressings swapped out the die-cut sleeve for a cheaper printed one, instead exaggerating the initial loss to portray it as a contributing factor to Factory's bankruptcy (as illustrated in ''Film/TwentyFourHourPartyPeople'').
38	** New Order is notorious as the ''[[Music/HappyMondays other]]'' band that bankrupted Factory Records by taking too long to record a follow-up to ''Music/{{Technique}}''.
39	** The band's infamous [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTb2rZ0SBg4 live appearance]] on ''Series/TopOfThePops'' of "Blue Monday", which was so inept (due to them attempting to perform the song live--on a show that usually required the performers to mime-- with [[TechnologyMarchesOn naturally temperamental analog synthesizers of the era]]) that there were rumours that they were one of the few acts to have their single go ''down'' on the charts afterward.[[note]] Those rumours were actually false, as it went up three places from #17 to #14. [[/note]]
40	* NightmareFuel:
41	** "In a Lonely Place," one of the last songs Joy Division wrote and demoed before Ian Curtis' death; while the New Order re-recording isn't as haunting as the Joy Division demo, it still carries a primeval sound and eerily suicidal lyrics that make it seem like something straight out of the ''Music/{{Closer}}'' sessions.
42	** Being a continuation of their work as Joy Division with ''very'' conspicuous CreatorBreakdown at play, much of the songs on ''Music/{{Movement}}'' delve into this.
43	** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfIv6HFdI1w "Murder"]], a chaotic PostPunk instrumental with heavy influence from the ''Closer'' and ''Movement'' sessions, featuring some rather unnerving samples of dialogue from ''Film/{{Caligula}}'' and ''Film/TwoThousandAndOneASpaceOdyssey''. The shouts of "CROWS, CROWS, CROWS, I HATE THEM!" will certainly send chills down your spine.
44	* OlderThanTheyThink: A common complaint about the video for "60 Miles an Hour" is that it's too comedic to fit with any of New Order's other videos, often framing it as if it's the only time New Order tried to be "funny" and accusing it of being a telltale sign of the band declining in quality post-Factory; in actuality, the band was no stranger to including comedic elements in their work during the Factory years, particularly during the tail end of the era.
45	* PosthumousPopularityPotential: Tend to be overshadowed by Ian Curtis and their former life as Music/JoyDivision, despite producing many more hit singles and making many more albums.
46	* RefrainFromAssuming: The song is not "How Does It Feel?" or "I Thought I Was Mistaken" but "Blue Monday." Thanks to their fondness for [[NonAppearingTitle Non Appearing Titles]], other potential examples are too numerous to list here.
47	* ReplacementScrappy: What many fans think of Gillian's temporary replacement, Phil Cunningham. The sentiment lessened considerably after Gilbert returned in 2011, with Cunningham staying in the lineup alongside her, and in place of that fans now argue over whether or not new inductee Tom Chapman is a suitable replacement for Peter Hook.
48	* SampledUp: The choir sample in "Blue Monday" is taken from the Music/{{Kraftwerk}} song "Uranium", but is much better known nowadays for its use in New Order's track.
49	* SeasonalRot: Their 2001-2013 albums have had a mixed reception from fans at best. Critics, however, are more kind to that era, save for the polarizing ''Waiting for the [=Sirens'=] Call''.
50	* SoBadItsGood:
51	** John Barnes' rap in "World In Motion". It was written by a comedian and performed by a professional athlete with no musical experience, but at the same time its cornball energy makes it an essential part of an already [[NarmCharm entertainingly cheesy]] song.
52	** A lot of Website/YouTube commenters on the band's ''TOTP'' live version of "Blue Monday" say they find watching it compelling despite being widely considered one of the worst live renditions ever.
53	* SongAssociation: After being featured in the infamous ShockSite video "1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick" (which depicts the graphic real-life murder of a Chinese exchange student in Canada), many are unable to shake off the thoughts of rather {{squick}}y imagery in connection to "True Faith". Ironic, seeing as how the song was previously featured in ''Film/AmericanPsycho'', itself guilty of causing the public to associate various '80s pop hits with scenes of murder and debauchery.
54	* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel:
55	** ''Music/PowerCorruptionAndLies'' is considered to be much better than their debut.
56	** While ''Music/{{Republic}}'' is generally seen as a good album (if more divisive than its predecessors), it suffered heavily from [[ToughActToFollow being caught in the shadow]] of ''Technique'', and the stylistic similarities to Bernard Sumner's work with Music/{{Electronic}} caused some to accuse it of being a solo album of his in all but name. ''Get Ready'', meanwhile, was almost just as rapturously received as ''Technique'' and is often considered not only the band's best 21st Century album, but also one of their best overall.
57	** ''Music/MusicComplete'' is considered a substantial improvement over ''Waiting for the [=Sirens'=] Call'' and ''Lost Sirens'', which are generally seen as the band's weakest albums (though they still have a considerable share of fans, with ''Waiting'' being slightly VindicatedByHistory in the years since its release).
58	* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: "All the Way" sounds a lot like Music/{{The Cure\|Band}}'s "Just Like Heaven", which in turn sounds a lot like "Weirdo".
59	* TheyChangedItNowItSucks:
60	** Fan response to any major alterations to a previously released song tends to be middling at best, with the Music/PhilSpector-esque single mix of "Sub-culture" and the ''Republic''-era remixes of past hits being particular points of contention. The cuts made to "The Perfect Kiss"[[note]]on CD copies only[[/note]], "Sub-culture", "Shellshock" and "Hurt" on ''Substance'' are also seen as a prominent drawback of the otherwise well-received compilation.
61	** Bernard Sumner famously described "World in Motion" as "the last straw for Music/JoyDivision fans", as its upbeat sound had inverted their former band's famously gloomy image.
62	* TearJerker:
63	** "All Day Long", from ''Brotherhood'', which matches melancholy-yet-epic music and lyrics about child abuse to sad (but very powerful) results. "Ceremony" also counts too, due to it quite vividly reflecting Ian Curtis' state of mind in the days leading up to the suicide that would change Joy Division forever; one can even hear a visibly mournful tone in Bernard's vocals on the March 1981 recording.
64	** One Word: '''[[InMemoriam "Elegia"]]''', especially when you learn it was New Order's tribute to [[Music/JoyDivision Ian Curtis]]. It's been suggested that one of the reasons "Elegia" is an instrumental is because in Joy Division, ''Ian'' was the one who wrote all the lyrics, and sang most of them too, and now he's no longer there to do either. ''Jesus''.
65	* ToughActToFollow:
66	** ''Music/{{Technique}}'' was a gargantuan critical and commercial success for New Order when it came out in 1989, and is often considered by both fans and critics to be the band's greatest album. Consequently, it's ended up being the measuring stick against which all later albums have been compared. Only one post-1989 album ended up escaping the shadow cast over New Order by ''Technique'': ''Get Ready'', which itself ended up becoming another example of this trope for the band, commonly being used by fans and critics as a point of reference for what was expected out of New Order in the 21st Century.
67	** There's also the fact that the band perpetually exists in the shadow of Music/JoyDivision, often considered a pioneering force in the PostPunk movement and one of Manchester's great cultural legends (in part due to the sudden sense of mystique procured by frontman Ian Curtis's 1980 suicide, which re-contextualized Joy Division's famously dreary lyrics). Despite New Order continuously making more money and establishing a greater foothold in the music scene, it's Joy Division that sees the greater amount of acclaim.
68	* VindicatedByHistory: ''Music/{{Movement}}'' has gained recognition over the years for having some good songs and serving as a link between Music/JoyDivision and the band's later work. It's also got an iconic Peter Saville cover. Peter Hook has also since warmed up to it.
69	* WinBackTheCrowd: ''Music/MusicComplete'' and its shift back towards synth-heavy AlternativeDance managed to gain back a good chunk of fans and critics who felt alienated by the more guitar-driven direction of New Order's previous 21st-Century output.

Context YMMV / NewOrder