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1!! [[Manga/{{Monster}} The Manga and Anime]]:* AcceptableEthnicTargets: All villains in the story are either German or Czech Caucasians (the most dangerous of all being, actually, a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything young blonde man]]), whereas the ethnic minorities are portrayed in a positive light (for instance, all Turks and Vietnamese are hard-working immigrants who have to put up with groundless German intolerance on a daily basis). One of the story arcs includes a [[ThoseWackyNazis neo-Nazi group]] that tries to set fire to the Turkish quarter in Hamburg... and [[PoliceAreUseless the police, fire brigades, and even emergency ambulances are nowhere to be found while that's taking place]]. That is, until [[TheCavalryArrivesLate everything's already wrapped up]].** In fairness, that same arc depicts most of the leaders of the Turkish community as people who make [[BigotVsBigot prejudiced]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality insinuations]] about Turkish sex workers and women seeking out [[GermanicDepressives interracial relationships with ethnic Germans or involving themselves with German clientele]] getting what they deserve when they (invariably) disappear or face other adverse circumstances, to say nothing of the fact that they initially dismiss Tenma's warnings about the extremists' plan at least in part by pointing out the fact that he is a ''Japanese'' outsider who is unaffiliated with the Turkish community, and have to be set straight by a [[CoolOldGuy respected Turkish elder]]. While their wariness is somewhat understandable, their attitudes still seem to stem from xenophobic impulses.*** And excepting Tenma, the entire main cast are white Germans and Czechs. It would be a stretch (or really, and outright lie) to say there aren't as many (or greater in number) who are portrayed sympathetically. * AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Johan. Is he truly [[CompleteMonster heartless?]] [[DarkAndTroubledPast Or is he just broken?]] [[TakeAThirdOption Or is he heartless]] [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil because he was broken?]]** His relationship with Tenma has a number of possibilities. Was he serious about seeing Tenma as a [[ParentalSubstitute Father figure]] and genuinely want to make his life better? Or was he just screwing with him? Or was he screwing with him because he thought it would make his life better?* BaseBreakingCharacter: Dieter. Is he a nice tag along kid or a BrattyHalfPint who is {{Anvilicious}} about being nice?* BrokenBase: The ending is considered to be divisive - or, at least, the final shot of the ending.* CompleteMonster: This work, dedicated to exploring whether there is such a thing as pure evil, concludes that while anybody, no matter now heinous, can be redeemed, it is [[SatanicArchetype Johan Liebert]]'s refusal to seek redemption that makes him the titular monster. A sadistic [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]] since he [[EnfantTerrible learned to walk and talk]], Johan murdered his own foster parents and manipulated over 50 adults and children into massacring each other even [[CorruptionByAMinor as a preteen]], and, as an adult, Johan is on a personal journey to become, in his own words, [[CardCarryingVillain as dark as possible]]. He is also trying to find out if there is anyone as evil as he is out there, or, failing that, forcing the heroic Dr. Tenma, and/or his own pacifistic sister, Nina Foertner, to [[StrikeMeDownWithAllOfYourHatred kill him in cold blood]]. In this way, he hopes to establish that even [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim the best people can become just like him]]. Along the way he [[WouldHurtAChild convinces children to jump from rooftops]]; gets a recovering alcoholic drunk before throwing him off a building; sets a highly-occupied library aflame; and convinces various {{serial killer}}s to murder every foster family he has ever lived with, as part of his quest to become an {{unperson}}. In the end, Johan tries to manipulate the population of an entire town into slaughtering each other, and, failing at this, prepares to shoot a child in the head just to torture Tenma. Numerous excuses are proposed for Johan's behavior, yet each one is ultimately undermined, revealing that in the end, Johan simply is pure, unadulterated evil.* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: There is an unintentionally hilarious moment when [[spoiler:Gustav gets hit by the police cruiser.]]* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:** Al Green's "Let's Stay Together" being played in Episode 23 when Roberto and Eva are at the bar.** "Medium Shot" with its jittery violin and clattering percussion (including the triangle!) is the one of the most delightfully creepy songs in the OST.* DracoInLeatherPants: '''Johan Liebert'''. Given that he is a [[EvilIsSexy fairly attractive young man]], this treatment was practically unavoidable. If anything, some fans have a habit of always excusing Johan's actions in a sympathetic light, no matter how flawed the argument is.* EarWorm: How much of an ear worm is the Ronette's "Be My Baby"? People have reported getting it stuck in their head from ''reading about it in the manga''.* EnsembleDarkhorse: Grimmer, Lunge, and Martin to name a few.* EvilIsCool: Johan Liebert is a loathsome human being and an obvious SatanicArchetype, but he is so sophisticated, [[TheChessmaster cunning]], [[EvilIsSexy physically attractive]], [[WickedCultured classy]] and [[EvilGenius intelligent]] that sometimes you can forget that HE IS the monster.* EvilIsSexy: Johan Liebert has a legion of fangirls, mainly because of his physical attractiveness.* GeniusBonus: Aside from the extra understanding gleaned by those with medical degrees, there's a bonus for film or animation students. Lipsky could be a puppeteer just because it's a part of his character, or because it's both creepy and sad...''or'' it could double as a ShoutOut to the Prague school of animation, which, based on when ''Monster'' is set, would have still been going strong during Lipsky's childhood. This particular localized trend produced a lot of work based on puppetry and dark fairy tales, both elements which compliment ''Monster'' nicely. And of course, Lipsky's first met in Prague.* HilariousInHindsight: When Grimmer first meets Tenma, they hold a short conversation. Grimmer's first line starts with "Thanks." The second starts with "Thanks again." And now Creator/PatrickSeitz, who voiced Grimmer, [[Anime/TigerAndBunny is voicing Sky High,]] [[CatchPhrase and the lines sound kind of familiar.]]* HoYay: Roberto describes Johan to Dr. Reichwein as if he were having an affair with the man. Also doubles as NoYay for a [[{{Squick}} lot of people]].* IronWoobie: Tenma.* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:[[BestKnownForTheFanservice Johan's a cross-dresser.]]]]* JerkassWoobie: Eva. She just wants to fill the hole of having lost Tenma, but does so wrongly by becoming an alcoholic. None of her relationships post-Tenma were successful, [[spoiler:maybe except the one with Martin, and then he dies saving her]].* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Will Tenma actually confront the problems of his ThouShallNotKill code? Of course not, don't be ridiculous. [[spoiler: Possibly subverted by the finale, however. If Johan escaped to continue his rampage, it wouldn't do Tenma's idealism any good.]]* MainstreamObscurity: Despite its massive praise, this series isn't watched or read that often.* MindGameShip: Johan and Tenma. To a lesser extent, Johan and Nina.* MisaimedFandom: Most people appreciate Johan's {{Chessmaster}}y. Others seem to ignore all that, and move on to a [[CompletelyMissingThePoint Roberto-like level of worship.]]* MoralEventHorizon:** Johan skips right past it in the first volume and keeps going from there.** Dr. Heinemann crosses it with his total lack of remorse that his political games caused a patient's death, then screwing Tenma's career over and driving him close to the DespairEventHorizon as punishment for saving Johan. ** The Baby crosses it (aside from the whole "burn the Turkish district" plot) [[WouldHurtAChild when he orders Dieter killed]] for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. ** A key theme of the series is whether or not the horizon truly exists. People are redeemed (sometimes at [[RedemptionEqualsDeath a large cost]]) for crimes so heinous even death wouldn't be enough in most series. Johan refuses to seek redemption in large part because he considers himself to have crossed the horizon long ago ("Some things can never be amended.") At the end, however, [[spoiler:even he is forgiven by his sister, who says "Even if we were the only two people left in the whole world, I would forgive you."]]* {{Narm}}: When Lunge is being strangled he's sticking his swollen tongue out. It's a realistic depiction of strangulation (a combination of the tongue losing circulation and swelling and a last ditch attempt by the body to open the mouth and get more air) and it's also really silly looking.* NightmareFuel: The show, for the most part.* NightmareRetardant: Franz Bonaparta's books are supposed to be ominous, but honestly, they try ''way'' too hard. And the silly artwork doesn't help.* OneSceneWonder: Gustav Milch, Tenma's cellmate and prison escapee extraordinaire.** Martin is only in three episodes, but gets enough attention that you'd think he was one of the main characters.* TheScrappy: Some characters, Eva for being a RichBitch to everyone for starters, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap though she does get better]].** [[TokenEvilTeammate Otto]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Heckel]] probably qualifies for many viewers. Even if he may have his place in the series, few people will lament [[ShooOutTheClowns his long absence]] from the story after episode twenty-four (until [[TheBusCameBack he makes a cameo towards the end]]). The fact that [[spoiler:he survives while many more sympathetic characters do not doesn't improve matters at all.]]* SerialNumbersFiledOff: A doctor chases after a psychopath who is described as "pure evil." Hmm... we're either talking about this anime/manga series or the classic horror film ''{{Film/Halloween|1978}}'', except Dr. Loomis is a Japanese neurosurgeon and Michael Myers is a handsome, German young man who plays as TheChessmaster, uses guns, and actually speaks.** Not to mention Nina Fortner being a good stand-in for Laurie Strode, what with being stalked by [[Film/HalloweenII1981 what ultimately turns out to be her malevolent long-lost brother whom she had forgotten about]].** One might also mention [[Film/HalloweenTheCurseOfMichaelMyers Franz Bonaparta and Peter Čapek (alongside a varied assortment of other nihilists, neo-Nazis and totalitarians) engaging in intentional experiments to breed a monstrous child of perfect genetic stock, and subsequently worshipping him as their presumptive leader and savior]], only to discover that EvilIsNotAToy.* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Tenma is [[AnthropomorphicPersonification this trope on legs]]. Without the {{Aesop}}s he provides, this series would be far too grim to bear.* TearJerker: Many, but in particular [[spoiler:Grimmer]]'s death. Not to mention the poor guy with his baby in Ruhenheim [[spoiler: whose wife was killed and he's crying begging for a gun and revenge.]]* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:Martin.]]* ValuesDissonance: Asking women to smile has become very frowned upon since the series was made.* TheWoobie: Tenma, Grimmer, Nina, Dieter, and Wim are all excellent examples.!! [[Film/{{Monster}} The Film]]:* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: For all the trouble in their relationship, Aileen and Selby ''do'' have some pretty cute moments together.* HollywoodHomely : ZigZagged. While the makeup, prosthetics, and dumpy wardrobe make Charlize Theron look much more "average" than she usually does, it's still hard to disguise the fact that it's Charlize Theron! In an interview on the DVD extras, she points out that Wuornos was not ugly, she was a beautiful woman who had had a very hard life. * HollywoodPudgy: While Theron gained 35 pounds to play the role, she's not that much bigger than average. Wuornos herself wasn't that [[ big]] either, just out of shape from being in prison. * JerkassWoobie: Aileen.* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The message of the film is loud and clear - other people will do unto us as we have done onto them, and if we don't want people like [[SerialKiller Aileen Wuornos]] in our world, then we must not allow them to have the kinds of childhoods she had.* TearJerker: Several moments, but the last ten or fifteen minutes of the film especially qualify.%%!! [[Literature/{{Monster}} The Book]]:----


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