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1----[[foldercontrol]][[folder: The Film]]* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is David Banner truly remorseful of his actions? His second confrontation with Betty seems to indicate yes, but [[AbusiveParents his actions]] [[AGodAmI during the rest of the film]] [[ManipulativeBastard suggest that this admission of guilt is insincere]]. Fueling the latter interpretation is the Peter David novelization which outright confirms that David's merely attempting to illicit sympathy. * AngstAversion: While the film is quite angsty to begin with, it is also about life as a brilliant scientist passed from a previous generation.* AudienceAlienatingPremise: A big reason why the film has such a divisive reception. While drama is absolutely nothing new to the Hulk mythos (thought audiences were likely more familiar with the various cartoon adaptations and the 1978 TV show than the original comics), the idea of a Hulk movie where he's in less than two thirds of the movie and takes a backseat to a slow paced, dead serious, introspective and symbolic drama centered on daddy issues, combined with serious tonal and pacing issues due to these being awkwardly combined with bits of over the top superhero action and unfittingly energetic and gimmicky comic book style editing, did not help the film win over an audience that was expecting a more action packed blockbuster. * SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: ** "Set Me Free," the first song released from what would eventually become the SuperGroup Velvet Revolver.** Music/DannyElfman's score counts as well. Especially the musical cues after [[spoiler: Bruce was captured.]]* BaseBreakingCharacter: David Banner. Some think that he's quite dark and scary, others just see Nick Nolte being too narmy.* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: ** The "puny human" scene where the Hulk bursts out of Bruce's mirror made for a great teaser trailer, and makes sense as broad symbolism of the conflict between Bruce's fears and psychoses. It was included in the movie... in the middle of a fall off a fighter plane. Bruce was dreaming it, but it makes no sense in the context of the fighter jet attack.** The fighter jet attack itself. It comes out of nowhere, is never mentioned again, and contributes very little to plot. Either it is Big-Lipped Alligator Moment or Padding.** Betty tells Bruce about a nightmare she had. It begins with a memory of her as a little girl eating ice cream with her father, only for him to have to leave her there when he receives an alarm from his base. Betty panics from being left alone, and a bright green mushroom cloud booms behind her. Then a soldier shows up only to be suddenly revealed to be adult Bruce and strangles her. The end. While there's a flashback of Edith seeing the green mushroom cloud later in the film, everything else is given no explanation.* BrokenBase: The film did alright with critics but was ultimately a box office bust. It broke even and had a [[Film/TheIncredibleHulk "sequel"/reboot]] made five years later. It was (in)famous for the backlash that accompanied its release, especially when a full cut was leaked for download to much nerd rage. Surprisingly, despite the reboot taking the opposite track both films did almost exactly the same [[ with]] [[ critics]] and [[ financially]] (though the reboot has a far higher Website/{{IMDB}} rating), which may be a measure of how popular the character is in the mainstream. Nonetheless, the 2003 film is slowly becoming something of a cult classic in certain circles; whatever else you can say about it, it's certainly not a film people feel neutral about.* CantUnHearIt: Those who heavily admire this film over the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse tend to hear Creator/EricBana as Bruce Banner, Creator/JenniferConnelly as Betty Ross, Creator/NickNolte as Brian Banner and Creator/SamElliott as General Ross.* CompleteMonster: In Creator/PeterDavid's {{novelization}}, [[BigBad Dr. David Banner]] lacks all of his film counterpart's genuinely sympathetic or redeeming traits, [[AdaptationalVillainy replacing them]] with [[ItsAllAboutMe purely selfish evil]]. In an attempt to perfect a [[SuperSerum super soldier serum]], Banner tested it on himself, leading to his newborn son Bruce to be infected with a strange disease that comes out in full when the boy is angry. Fascinated by this development, Banner [[AbusiveParents subjects Bruce to a variety of experiments]], from emotionally and physically abusing the boy to harvesting his blood for more experiments. Disgusted that he has started to care for Bruce, Banner eventually tries to [[OffingTheOffspring stab the boy to death]] for "ruining his life" after he is fired for his experiments. He shrugs off his accidental murder of his wife, later using it as a sob story to manipulate others. Once exposed, Banner tries to blow up his entire workplace, uncaring that the explosion could go nuclear and kill countless innocents. After being released from a mental institution decades later, Banner murders several people while tracking down Bruce, and tries to have Bruce's LoveInterest Betty ripped to shreds by mutant dogs. Gaining powers of his own, Banner hopes to drain Bruce of his Gamma radiation and life, then use his new abilities to become {{a god|Am I}} and kill all those who slighted him.* CriticalDissonance: It's very interesting to view this in comparison to ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'' in how it was received. This film is generally considered long and boring by regular moviegoers, but the critics tended to like it for its focus on character pieces and big ideas over the violence and CGI. The '08 film had a greater amount of fans agreeing with the critics, but some lamented how the new film took away the big ideas to put in more action and typical comics stuff. Besides all of that information, both films did about the same at the box office.* CultClassic: While it's still panned by a lot of people, it does have its fair share of defenders who praise its dark, psychological approach to Bruce Banner's character and consider it superior to ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk''.* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The dark tone can be unsettling for people who are more accustomed to the standard superhero films that became popular in the late 2000s.* EnsembleDarkhorse: Edith Banner, who seems to be the only adult that Bruce looked up to before her tragic death.* EvilIsSexy: Major Talbot, thanks to the fact that he is portrayed by Josh Lucas.* FandomRivalry: With the MCU [[Creator/MarkRuffalo depiction]] of Bruce Banner.* FauxSymbolism: The movie frequently cuts to closeups of moss. That's right, moss. The only hint we get about it on the DVDCommentary is that moss is green like the Hulk...* FriendlyFandoms:** This film's get along with fans of ''Film/{{Logan}}'' because both have very much in common such as the intense mood and very little humor with a harsh depiction of Marvel comics. Not to mention both films have the same running time.** There's also some overlap between fans of this film and fans of the ''Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse'' who like this film for its unconventional take on the superhero genre and its ambition, serious treatment of its title character and more artistic directing style. A few DCEU fans have even said that, if Creator/BenAffleck ever leaves, they'd love to see Creator/EricBana have a go at playing ''Franchise/{{Batman}}''. * SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: Despite the dark tone, the film does have some humor to it. An example is after the {{Squick}}y frog scene:--> '''Bruce''': You want to go to the review board on Monday and tell them that we've developed a brand-new method for exploding frogs?\'''Betty''': Yeah. I think maybe there's a market for it. Frogs start falling from the sky...who do they come to?** Another is Ross being a DeadpanSnarker:--> '''Betty''': I'm also aware that saved my life.\'''Ross''': Yeah, [[spoiler:from a mutant French poodle.]] I'm indebted to him for that.** When Hulk makes his arrival to San Francisco, his jump goes noticed by a bypassing car. The car instantly stops right afterwards, the driver most certainly going "[[OhCrap wait a minute, what the hell?]]".* HamAndCheese: Nick Nolte, particularly during his HumansAreBastards speech.--> '''STOP...WHAT?! [[PunctuatedForEmphasis STOP!!]]''' '''''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis WHAT?!!]]''''' ''THINK'' about all those...''MEN'' out there in their ''UNIFORMS! BARKING'' and ''SWALLOWING ORDERS'', inflicting their ''petty'' rule of the ''entire globe!'' '''THINK ABOUT ALL THE HARM THEY'VE''' '''''DONE!!''''' '''TO YOU!''' '''TO''' '''''ME!''''' '''''TO HUMANITY!''''' And know this, that we can make ''THEM'', and their ''FLAGS and ANTHEMS'' and ''GOVERNMENTS'' - '''''DISAPPEAR!!!''''' IN A ''FLASH!'' You - ''in'' me! [...] Then, indeed you ''shall'' die...and be ''REBORN''...a hero! ''OF THE KIND THAT WALKED EARTH, '''LONG''' BEFORE THE PALE RELIGIONS OF CIVILIZATION, '''INFECTED HUMANITY'S SOUL!!!'''''* HarsherInHindsight: Bruce said to his father [[Film/TheAvengers2012 he would rather die]] than destroy the military.* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Sam Elliott's performance as General Ross has been praised by those who didn't care for the film.** Creator/EricBana has also been widely praised for his performance in the title role.* HolyShitQuotient: [[spoiler: David Banner's transformation by the end of the film.]]* HilariousInHindsight:** [[Film/TheAvengers2012 The Hulk hijacking a fighter plane]]? Except this time he loses, if only just barely.** In this film, Mike Erwin plays a teenage, pre-Hulk Bruce Banner. A few months later, Erwin's [[VideoGame/JakAndDaxter arguably most popular character]] [[VideoGame/JakIIRenegade developed the ability]] to [[HulkingOut Hulk Out]] into his own SuperpoweredEvilSide.** The use of Comanche gunships by the US military against Hulk becomes this after the cancellation of the RAH-66 Comanche's development in 2005.** This isn't the only time Nick Nolte played a [[Film/{{Noah}} stone-like being]].** This wouldn't be the only time Hulk fought a [[Film/ThorRagnarok giant dog]].* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler: David Banner eventually became a cross between Absorbing Man and Zzzax]], now it is not worth mentioning.* JerkassWoobie: Even though David Banner has caused many chaos, he regretted some of it and wanted people to care about his work.* LoveToHate: David Banner, who doesn't care on experimenting on himself and dogs who is also an almighty elemental.* MisaimedMarketing: The movie had TONS of kid-friendly tie-ins such as pudding, ice cream, board games and Hulk Hands to a very angsty and depressing adaptation. Fifteen years later, a fan [[ averted this]].* MemeticMutation: ** "You wouldn't like me when I'm Creator/AngLee." A pun on the director.** David Banner [[spoiler: biting into the cable]] is quite a popular meme.* MoralEventHorizon: David Banner [[spoiler:using Bruce as his personal guinea pig for his experiments, and after Ross throws him off the project, triggering a ''nuclear explosion'' of the military lab (and it's strongly implied the explosion took many lives, and caused the entire town to be abandoned), and then trying to kill Bruce and accidentally killing his wife instead -- ''all in front of Bruce''.]] * {{Narm}}:** Nick Nolte literally ChewingTheScenery, and the WesternAnimation/{{Goofy}}-esque sounds he makes while being electrocuted.** [[ Talbot's freeze-frame death]]! Website/TheAgonyBooth dubbed it '''The Single Most Gloriously Stupid Image Ever Captured on Film''', while WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic dubbed it "Guy Flying Over Fireball Looking Like A Twat."** Ross suddenly letting out a random yell during one scene. It isn't ''poorly'' acted, but it does just come out of nowhere.--> But I don't set policy...and I still take orders. ...'''''GR'YAAAAHHH!!!''''' I can't ''believe'' Talbot would go around me like this!** The [[AngryGuardDog Hulk Dogs]] would be a ''tiny'' bit more threatening if one of their ranks wasn't a French poodle.* NauseaFuel: The unconventional editing can make some people cringe.* OlderThanTheyThink: Many people believed that dark superhero films began with ''Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy'', but this film and the ''Film/BladeTrilogy'' actually started it years before.* OneSceneWonder: As always, Stan Lee.* PopularityPolynomial: Even though the film was quickly forgotten, the releases of ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'' (another take on the Hulk story that even starts at a similar point in which this film ended) and ''Film/{{Logan}}'' (another harsh depiction of a Marvel property with intense mood and very little humor) made people give it another try.* RetroactiveRecognition: Creator/DanielDaeKim as a military member.* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The film used cutting edge editing techniques that resemble a comic book, but this was more well known in ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse''.* SignatureScene:** The Hulk grabbing Bruce from the mirror as he says to him, "puny human". It shows a loss of self-control.** David Banner biting into the cable and becoming a giant being of electricity.* SlowPacedBeginning: It takes ''forty minutes'' for the Hulk to even show up.* SpecialEffectFailure:** Despite all the effort and detail put into the character, many fans feel that the Hulk's appearance in this film is ''very'' lackluster. Some have even said he looks like a UsefulNotes/Playstation2 character.** The Hulk Dogs, on the other, hand never had a chance with the early 2000s CGI used for the film.** The aforementioned freeze-frame death of Talbot.* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Talbot was seen as interesting compared to his comic book version but was killed by the second half of the film.* TooCoolToLive: Again, Talbot.* TrueArtIsAngsty: The dark tone and psychodrama of the movie is part of what makes the film divisive; its defenders tend to strongly feel that these aspects make it a more worthwhile and interesting film when compared to a lot of superhero movies which are more focused on blockbuster action and comedy.* TrueArtIsIncomprehensible: Some viewers were quite confused from the more artistic views compared to other comic book films.* UncannyValley: ** Hulk's green CGI skin was completely opaque, which unsettled a lot of people.** The gamma dogs can make some cringe.* UncertainAudience: Ultimately the film's downfall. It was a movie that was too artsy and somber for your typical superhero audience, and yet the fact that it was about a superhero in the first place alienated serious viewers who might have otherwise been interested in the more cerebral and artistic merits of the film.* UnexpectedCharacter: [[spoiler: In this case, unexpected transformation for David.]]* VindicatedByHistory: A unique example. The film's still got a bad rating in Website/{{IMDB}} (usually only around 6), but many hardcore comic book fans and amateur movie critics have started to praise the movie's good qualities aside from the score (such as the movie's analogy on Hulk's virtually unlimited strength in the last action scene, where [[spoiler: Bruce defeated his father by releasing a very large amount of gamma energy, turning him into a large bubble]]). The movement has been there since at least [[ 2006]]. If anything, the success of similarly dark and serious superhero films like ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' and ''Film/{{Logan}}'' have led some commentators to view this movie as ahead of its time.* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The editing style is beyond magnificent and unique.* {{Wangst}}: One of the film's criticisms was that there was too much of this and not enough smashing.* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Given the film's subject matter and dark themes, it is quite surprising that it got a mere '''PG-13''' and is equally intense as ''Film/{{Logan}}''.* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic:** Among other things, the [[UsefulNotes/NuclearWeapons nuclear explosion]] associated with the classic Hulk origin is alluded to by the nuclear self-destruct going off when [[spoiler:David kills Bruce's mother in front of him -- the moment the Hulk was truly born]].** The toy dog in the prologue represents happy memories while the gamma dogs represent the intense revelations of what truly happened.** The ending also involves the the four classical elements, earth, air, fire, water. The absorbing man transforms into an electrical being and fights the Hulk in the form of a thunderstorm (air), then melds with a mountain (earth), and then turns into a watery being in the nearby lake (water). The Hulk, as a source of energy and heat in that scene, with a green fiery aura at one point, would identify with fire.* TheWoobie: Bruce Banner had been through so much suffering for thirty years and wondered when it will truly end, even when Betty Ross is around.[[/folder]][[folder: The Game]]* AuthorsSavingThrow: There are plenty.** It explained why Bruce stayed at South America: just for better research.** You finally get to hear Eric Bana's Bruce Banner say "YouWouldntLikeMeWhenImAngry" in English, outside promotions.* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:[[ A Different Breed]], [[ Savior]], [[ One And All]] and [[ The Final Battle]] are all awesome battle themes that shouldn't be overlooked when smashing up the bad guys.* DemonicSpiders:** The Gamma Soldiers and androids you face will be your most hated enemies in the game thanks to their tanky defense, hard-knocking punches and gamma blasters that can make short work of you.** The Gamma dogs were quite a bitch to fight as the Hulk, but when playing as Bruce, it's a ''necessity'' to avoid confrontation with them at all coast, lest you want them to rip you to shreds in an instant.* GameBreaker: A code makes the Hulk kill his enemies and the bosses in one touch.* HilariousInHindsight: The Gamma Orb heavily resembles the Orb from ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' except it is green and not an Infinity Stone.* MostAnnoyingSound:** "Fire at Banner!"** ''Anything'' the unlockable Gray Hulk skin says can get on your nerves after a short time. He's a [[YouFightLikeACow quipster]] and he ''will'' remind you of it every five seconds.* TheProblemWithLicensedGames[=/=]SugarWiki/NoProblemWithLicensedGames: Whichever category the tie-in game falls into depends on who you ask. Points towards the former include weak segments as Banner, mostly corridor-based level design, and and a somewhat disjointed storyline. Points toward the latter include the very comic book-esque look, challenging levels, simple-but-fun gameplay, and the CatharsisFactor.* ScrappyMechanic: While the Banner stages are considered the weaker parts of the game, the hacking mini-game is easily the most hated part of it. You have 20 seconds to match up the bottom code string with the one on top and it only gets harder in the later stages.* VindicatedByHistory: The game has later been regarded as an influence to an [[VideoGame/TheIncredibleHulkUltimateDestruction even more iconic Hulk game]] made by the same developers two years later.[[/folder]]----


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